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No free media, Copyright violation, no simply letter (for exception). Letter look like roads and of course logo represented a young game. Cf Commons:Licensing#Acceptable licenses#For example, the following are generally not allowed "Copyrighted symbols, logos, etc. (Not to be confused with trademarks 85.68.6.93 14:22, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Delete. Logo is copyright. Except for logos with letters simplest form, which is not the case here. 85.68.6.93 17:08, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep Does not apply to this logo. Bourgeois.A (talk) 14:31, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep simple geometric shapes and/or text, it does not meet the threshold of originality. Bloody-libu (talk) 14:35, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep per Commons:Threshold of originality. Par ailleurs, il n'est pas question ici de licence libre, mais d'absence de seuil d'originalité aux États-Unis pour bénéficier d'une protection par le copyright. En revanche, le droit des marques s'y applique, mais les effets sont différents. Si le fichier est conservé, il faudra prévoir une sanction contre l'IP qui a poursuivi sur cette voie malgré toutes les explications données. JÄNNICK Jérémy (talk) 14:46, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Si le fichier n'est pas conservé, puisque c'est ni des lettres simples (mais étrangement c'est simple pour vous, JANNICK Jérémy et Bourgoie.A, ayant un grief envers moi), ni assez vieux pour entrer dans le domaine public, faudra prévoir une sanction contre JANNICK Jérémy qui a poursuivi malgré toutes les explications données. Facile de dire des absurdités pareilles. 85.68.6.93 14:53, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, selon vous la loi est absurde ? Mois je trouve que vouloir bloquer un contributeur parce qu'il a fait des recherches sur le droits aux USA et qu'il dit la vérité, ça c'est absurde. Vous vous obstinez depuis plusieurs jours, à croire que ça donne un sens à votre vie d'embêté le monde... mais vous avez tord et c'est tout, je serais vous je partirais discrètement... Bourgeois.A (talk) 15:10, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Il n'y a aucune sanction à prendre contre quiconque. À vous suivre, JÄNNICK Jérémy (« Si le fichier est conservé, il faudra prévoir une sanction contre l'IP qui a poursuivi sur cette voie malgré toutes les explications données »), il faudrait une sanction car elle a tort. On ne sanctionne pas pour ça. Et vu le ton sur lequel les échanges ont eu lieu, franchement, il n'y a de fierté à avoir pour aucun de vous trois, àmha. Bonne continuation, Jules78120 (talk) 17:16, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Bof, j'ai la réputation d'être un sadique qui n'éprouve aucune empathie, donc ça ne fait qu'une étoile de plus. Ce n'est pas l'erreur que je veux sanctionner, mais l'obstination malgré toute les explications fournies, ce n'est pas pareil. JÄNNICK Jérémy (talk) 18:06, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Je me base sur des écrits et vous sur du pipo. Mais ça marche, continuez comme ça. 85.68.6.93 18:12, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment (was formerly Delete) I took some time browsing through Commons:Threshold of originality and a few other pages. It seems absolutely non-obvious to know whether the threshold of originality is exceeded in US law, and I have no clear-cut opinion on this matter. But as far as I understand, Grand Theft Auto is a product mainly originating from Scotland, the policies of Wikipedia Commons are to consider both US law and originating country law, and the threshold of originality is definitely lower in the UK than in the US. See the example of the logo of Edge Magazin, appearing on the Commons:Threshold of originality page and available on the English Wikipedia : [1]. The logo of Grand Thef Auto seems to me obviously original enough to be copyrighted under UK law if not under US law. Seems quite similar to Commons:Deletion requests/Two British logos. But I am now aware that the game is created in Scotland, but published by a multinational whose headquarters are located in New-York. Begins to be too tricky for me ! No clear-cut opinion any longer, I just deposit here all the elements I have gathered and leave the room. Touriste (talk) 15:24, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep really not sure it's original enough. Jeriby (talk) 23:03, 30 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Delete British logo. This is a lot more complex than w:File:EDGE magazine (logo).svg which a British court decided was sufficiently original. There is additionally no evidence of permission from the person who wrote the SVG source code. Permission is needed from Rockstar Games (due to COM:TOO#United Kingdom) and from the person who created the SVG source code (due to w:Adobe Systems, Inc. v. Southern Software, Inc.). --Stefan4 (talk) 12:47, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Neutral Definitely copyrightable in the UK. Definitely not copyrightable in the US. So it all boils down to what is the country of origin for the logo? The first game to use this particular logo was Grand Theft Auto III, published in 2001. At that time, DMA Design (the studio that created the game) was a subsidiary of Rockstar Games (itself a subsidiary of Take-Two Interactive). DMA Design (now Rockstar North) is based in the UK, while Rockstar Games is based in the US. While DMA Design was responsible for the creation of the game itself, the marketing and product development departments for Rockstar are in New York City. Whether the logo was created by DMA Design or Rockstar's New York office (or outsourced to a design firm in Scandinavia) is anybody's guess. The truth is we have no idea where the logo was actually created, and there's a decent chance it wasn't the UK (so  Keep). If we take "country of origin" to mean country where the copyright would be owned, that would be the US (i.e. Take Two Interactive), so  Keep again. If, however, we consider "country of origin" to mean country of first publication, it would have multiple countries of origin since it was published simultaneously in several different countries, including the US and UK, so  Delete. Taking another track, if we consider the logo to be a mere component of Grand Theft Auto III as a creative work, there is a strong argument that its country of origin is the UK, so  Delete. Unfortunately, "country of origin" is not defined on Commons, so there is no way to tell which of these tests to apply. Kaldari (talk) 17:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • What matters is the country of first publication. When I wrote my previous post above, I thought that it was already used in the first game, which was first published in Europe (including the United Kingdom). It seems that Grand Theft Auto III was first published in North America, though. However, there is one more thing to consider: the logo might have been published somewhere before the game was published. For example, it might have been distributed to members of the press at a press conference or something when the game was first announced, and then the source country is presumably the country of the press conference. I guess we'll never be able to find out where it was first published. A logo like this is designed to be published worldwide, so any country which regularly hosts gaming-related press conferences is a potential source country. --Stefan4 (talk) 18:06, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Comment Cette série de logo à été créé après le rachat du studio par Rockstar Games (1999). Logo apparu pour la première fois avec GTA: Vice City puis lors de la réédition de GTA III ([2] & [3]). C'est eux qui encadrent le côté marketing et accésoiremement de la création des logos. C'est donc la loi US. Bourgeois.A (talk) 18:47, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • (conflit d'édition)  Comment Les jeux sont développés par Rockstar North situé en Ecosse, donc je ne vois pas pourquoi, les concepteurs n'auraient pas la liberté du design de leur logo, étant les développeurs d'origines et actuels. De toute façon, je ne vois pas, personnellement, de forme géométrique simple. Le R est lié au H, et le T n'est pas dans une forme simpliste puisque la ligne du bas remonte jusqu'au trait horizontal du T. Ceci n'a qu'un but évident et visuel, créer des courbes laissant penser aux courbes d'un circuit automobile (le jeu étant un grand circuit automobile en quelque sorte).
    PS : je ne sais pas si vous avez remarqué mais il y a différentes versions du logo qui ont été téléversées sous le même titre (il y a par exemple un petit bloque en dessous du R qui a disparu dans la version actuelle). 85.68.6.93 20:56, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: By analogy with Future Publishing Ltd v The Edge Interactive Media Inc & Ors [2011] EWHC 1489 (Ch) (13 June 2011), explained here. GTA III were produced by Rockstar North, at Edinburgh (Scotland), in United Kingdom, so british law is applicable. Dereckson (talk) 20:40, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Il y en a plein d'autres : Category:Grand Theft Auto logos. Bloody-libu (talk) 21:12, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Supprimés.
Il nous reste le logo de GTA 2, qui lui, est bien dans le domaine public faute d'originalité. --Dereckson (talk) 11:10, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Je croyais que l'originalité n'entrait pas en compte mais que seule la loi britannique était à l'origine de ces suppressions ? Selon Commons:Undeletion_requests/Archive/2010-07#File:Gta_san_andreas_logo.png, il n'y avait rien d'original dans ces logos. File:Logo GTA2.svg devrait être traité de la même manière que les autres logos de GTA. Bloody-libu (talk) 11:23, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:Grand Theft Auto logo series.svg

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May be above COM:TOO UK. Grandmaster Huon (talk) 15:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Keep. The logo was created at Rockstar Games in New York City and uses the font Pricedown made by Ray Larabie while employed at the company's Toronto office. I don't think the UK TOO applies here; the original game's logo, by BMG Interactive in England, looks quite different. IceWelder [✉] 16:02, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
any citations that support your claim? Grandmaster Huon (talk) 23:42, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this is well-documented. See, for example, Larabie's history (p. 226):

When Rockstar Games used Pricedown for Grand Theft Auto, I was actually working for them -- but in a different branch! I was an art director at Rockstar Toronto, while the main office in New York handled the graphic design. They used my free version of the font, not realizing I was an employee. Talk about a small world, right?

IceWelder [✉] 07:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Canadian TOO might differ from US TOO, since it's a commonwealth country. Grandmaster Huon (talk) 23:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
COM:TOO Canada is somewhat different from America's, but it's a hell of a lot less restrictive than COM:TOO UK. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:11, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@IceWelder: @Ikan Kekek: , your rationales make complete sense.   I withdraw my nomination. --Grandmaster Huon (talk) 02:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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