Commons:Deletion requests/Image:USS Seawolf;08002123.jpg
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Its not a Navy photo. http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=596 states U.S Navy photo courtesy of Electric Boat Corporation by Jim Brennan and en:Work_of_the_United_States_Government#Works_produced_by_contractors is pretty clear concerning this: works produced by contractors under government contracts (or submitted in anticipation of such contracts) are protected and restricted under U.S. copyright law. Please delete per Commons:Deletion requests/Image:USS Virginia.jpg schlendrian •λ• 15:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- I dunno. The site where I got it, http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/080021a.htm variously credits pictures as U.S. Navy photos taken by some sailor, U.S. Navy photos "courtesy of" someone else, and other photos. If someone takes a picture and gives it to the Navy, isn't it a Navy photo?
- Searching http://www.defenseimagery.mil for "Seawolf" I found http://www.defenseimagery.mil/assetDetails.action?guid=75bab97d2f30b5a728da24bc3dbdb19ac70b87f1 , which looks like an uncropped version of the same picture. The photographer is identified as Jim Brennan, but there's nothing about Electric Boat. Checking the Terms of Use, it says,
- "You agree to ensure any copyrights are adhered to. Copyright information can be found in the XMP data area in the data field labeled 'Rights'. Generally speaking, nothing on this site is copyright (Defense Department imagery and unclassified information is usually deemed to be in the public domain) but if in doubt you agree to examine the Rights datafield for appropriate information. We will make every effort to ensure that any copyrighted works are so noted in the Rights field, but cannot be held responsible if the copyright is not conveyed to us for entry.
- If you upload anything to this site, you agree a) to ensure such information and/or imagery is property of the Department of Defense, b) it is free of malicious code including computer viruses, and c) if imagery, you will provide us with as much data about the imagery as possible (within Defense Department captioning guidelines)."
- But I don't see how to get to that data field.
- Wwoods (talk) 22:47, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- no, a photo given to the Navy is not a "Navy photo" as this means "taken by a Gov' employee in course of his duty". There is no big doubt about this being a photo taken by EB (see google), and if en:Work_of_the_United_States_Government#Works_produced_by_contractors is right, the picture is copyrighted. Dodmedia has many pictrues of civilians working for contractors, they just don't seem to care (like history.navy.mil doesn't care to much as long as they get hold of a picture of German WWII warship for exapmple). I started only to upload photos labled with Name and Rank just for this reason --schlendrian •λ• 13:48, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Keep per the site's terms of use...by uploading the image the civilian contracter gifted the photo to the DoD. -Nard 03:31, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
- I don't see how an upload done by the Navy can make a photo of a private company PD --schlendrian •λ• 10:59, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Comment The WP article cited above says "the government has unlimited rights in all data first produced in performance of or delivered under a contract, unless the contractor asserts a claim to copyright or the contract provides otherwise". This is quite different that what Schlendrian wrote above. Are these contracts classified? Are they available somewhere on the Net so that it can be verified if they give any specific rights to the contractors? Yann (talk) 16:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Deleted. We've had that countless times. Contractor's photos are copyrighted. The U.S. government may have a (non-exclusive) license to publish these images, but they're not PD. We don't have such a license. Also note that the company was not contracted to produce pictures; they were contracted to build the submarine. Lupo 08:57, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
