Commons talk:Template editors
Create user group 'template editor' (Moved from Commons:Village pump/Proposals)
This is now in place. There are still quite a few odds and ends to deal with not to mention the big project of actually downgrading the templates. So please be patient while we work all that out. --Majora (talk) 20:11, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
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I propose to create a new user group called 'template editor' with the following rights:
- Edit protected templates (templateeditor)
- Enable two-factor authentication (oathauth-enable)
- Override the title or username blacklist (tboverride)
I know several trusted technical users who regularly make edit requests. They should be able to edit the protected templates themselves, and maybe help with fulfilling edit requests made by their fellow users.
Requests to become a template editor should be made at Commons:Requests for rights and granting this right to candidates is at the discretion of admins. 4nn1l2 (talk) 01:34, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Create user group 'template editor': votes
- Support as proposer. 4nn1l2 (talk) 01:34, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support Useful. Yann (talk) 06:39, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support, I've always wondered why we didn't have template editors on Wikimedia Commons, in fact templates are kind of more important here than on any Wikipedia. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 07:36, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Alexis Jazz ping plz 11:41, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support sounds reasonable. --Steinsplitter (talk) 11:47, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support Abzeronow (talk) 12:37, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support This is a sensible proposal.--Vulphere 12:39, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 12:53, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support --Gestumblindi (talk) 19:01, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support great idea, much better than always to molest admins - they have more essential duties than these copy work! -- sarang♥사랑 03:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- Eatcha (talk) 10:42, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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Create user group 'template editor': discussion
- Wouldn't it be wise to create noticeboards for every user group (except for "Autopatrolled") such as "Commons:Template editors' noticeboard" to request edits to be made to certain templates? Well, maybe not a separate noticeboard for every group, but maybe a page named "Commons:Maintenance noticeboard" with a special section like "Commons:Maintenance noticeboard#Template editors"? This way new people or users without advanced rights can bring light issues to their attention and help fight backlog. And copyright issues related to certain templates or perhaps proposals for mass-implementing templates could also be discussed here. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 11:13, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- I support this, but wonder if this could be combined with my idea for general maintainers? (one does not exclude the other though) - Alexis Jazz ping plz 11:41, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Will a list of eligible pages to be downgraded for the role be created similiar to this? -- 1989 (talk) 19:44, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Rudimentary counting of Special:ProtectedPages shows that there are 3,499 fully protected pages in the template namespace. That includes all pages including translations, documentations, etc. that happen to also be fully protected. Some of these would probably need to remain fully protected for one reason or another, being tied to the main page being one of the reasons that pops into my mind, but the vast majority could probably be downgraded to a "template editor" protection level. --Majora (talk) 03:15, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
- @1989 and Majora: I created a list (User:4nn1l2/Templateprotected) which includes all fully-and-indefinitely-protected templates on Commons. I made a cursory look at the list, but could not come up with any reason to exclude some of the items. 4nn1l2 (talk) 18:13, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- If there is no exclusions, then they all should be changed. They can be changed back if needed. 1989 (talk) 19:19, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- @1989 and 4nn1l2: Anything used in system messages (ie, the mediawiki space) should not be downgraded in my opinion. System messages are especially sensitive as they are shown not only to editors but to readers as well. As I said previously, anything linked to the main page should also be excluded. Beyond that, downgrading them to "template editor" protection seems prudent. --Majora (talk) 20:11, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Just as an example, {{@}} is used on MediaWiki:Blockedtext and should not be downgraded. As the mediawiki space is inherently locked to administrators allowing templates that are used in that space to be edited by anyone other than administrators kinda defeats that. --Majora (talk) 20:22, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Templates that’s used on MediaWiki namespace like above should be removed from the list. 1989 (talk) 21:10, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Majora and 1989: I just removed all the templates used in the MediaWiki namespace and different language editions of Main Page from the list: Special:Diff/357546048. I think the rest can be safely downgraded by a bot as there are still 3378 items. 4nn1l2 (talk) 22:12, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Templates that’s used on MediaWiki namespace like above should be removed from the list. 1989 (talk) 21:10, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- If there is no exclusions, then they all should be changed. They can be changed back if needed. 1989 (talk) 19:19, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- @1989 and Majora: I created a list (User:4nn1l2/Templateprotected) which includes all fully-and-indefinitely-protected templates on Commons. I made a cursory look at the list, but could not come up with any reason to exclude some of the items. 4nn1l2 (talk) 18:13, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Rudimentary counting of Special:ProtectedPages shows that there are 3,499 fully protected pages in the template namespace. That includes all pages including translations, documentations, etc. that happen to also be fully protected. Some of these would probably need to remain fully protected for one reason or another, being tied to the main page being one of the reasons that pops into my mind, but the vast majority could probably be downgraded to a "template editor" protection level. --Majora (talk) 03:15, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
- I am missing any progress for establishing such a user group - there are just discussions about the icon. I would like to get these few more rights soon! -- sarang♥사랑 05:41, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Create user group 'template editor': Padlock
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Option 1
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inbetween
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alternate
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Option 2
- Out of all the pink padlocks, these are the best ones imo. Which one? -- 1989 (talk) 20:19, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Commons:Village pump/Proposals/Archive/2019/01#Update padlock icons that Wikimedia Commons use to the ones that the English Wikipedia uses
Support padlock option 1
- Option 1 for me. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 20:31, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
- Option 1 for me too. is not clear. BTW, why the vertical bar inside curly brackets? 4nn1l2 (talk) 02:39, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
- @4nn1l2: The alternative has been changed. Still prefer this choice? 1989 (talk) 19:44, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- @1989: Yes. is clearer than . 4nn1l2 (talk) 00:52, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- @4nn1l2: The alternative has been changed. Still prefer this choice? 1989 (talk) 19:44, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
# Option 1 is easier to read and more accurate in its intention, though the brackets could use a rework to look like the ones in Option 2. I note, however, that the Chinese Wikipedia ended up adopting instead. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Support padlock inbetween
- Even better, see how it looks at 20px: . — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 12:27, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
- Looks best to me at icon size Abzeronow (talk) 17:29, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Support padlock alternate
- This alternate for option 1 also matches other padlocks featuring characters: ({{). Compare used on enwiki. A variant with bigger symbol was aesthetically unappealing. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:49, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: Any reason why you reverted the bigger symbol version? It is much clearer to see. 1989 (talk) 19:17, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- @1989: At that request, I have decided to restore the version with the bigger symbol. Clarity is much more important than aesthetics. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:28, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: Any reason why you reverted the bigger symbol version? It is much clearer to see. 1989 (talk) 19:17, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- This would be my second choice. — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 21:24, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
- Compared with the others, looks best - but with difficulties when at icon size 20×20 -- sarang♥사랑 16:53, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- Looks better now. 1989 (talk) 19:40, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- Support Now looks much better at icon size! To me it clearly depends to templates. -- sarang♥사랑 05:41, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Support padlock option 2
- Option 2 (two) looks the best, in my opinion. --Donald Trung 『徵國單』 (No Fake News 💬) (WikiProject Numismatics 💴) (Articles 📚) 01:31, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Option 2- the brackets are better to distinguish, at option 1 they are too difficult to identify as brackets --sarang♥사랑 03:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)- @Sarang: actually, that's not universally true. At icon size, is more clear than . Option 2 couldn't be used anywhere at icon size. - Alexis Jazz ping plz 11:30, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
- The different protection messages shows it larger; there are at least 3 larger displays. Because always the same icon should flag the same case, I am thinking about creating an icon which combines both advantages. --sarang♥사랑 07:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC) - - - It looks like that: - the rough drawn large curlies are better visible?
- @Sarang: The alternative has been changed. Still prefer this choice? 1989 (talk) 19:48, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- No, I change now my preference to "alternate". -- sarang♥사랑 05:41, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- @Sarang: The alternative has been changed. Still prefer this choice? 1989 (talk) 19:48, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
- The different protection messages shows it larger; there are at least 3 larger displays. Because always the same icon should flag the same case, I am thinking about creating an icon which combines both advantages. --sarang♥사랑 07:24, 13 June 2019 (UTC) - - - It looks like that: - the rough drawn large curlies are better visible?
- Option 2 - Best design.--Vulphere 04:32, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Create user group 'template editor': User right icon
Any proposals for the user right icon? Here’s the one used for enwiki: File:Wikipedia Template editor icon (1).svg. -- 1989 (talk) 15:47, 8 July 2019 (UTC)