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==Yoshi is a dragon?==
KevinJr42: I thought Yoshi was a dinosaur. It's a dragon?
:In Japan, he's a dragon. In the US and possibly Europe, he's a dinosaur. Either way -- big lizard. ~ [[User:FriedMilk|FriedMilk]] 00:59, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Keep in mind that the Japanese word for dinosaur uses the dragon kanji.
::Some (including me) consider Yoshies a race apart from dinosaurs and dragons... They're from the ''Yoshius Yoshii'' species, or the common Yoshi. But, it's just a fan-term. [[User:SmegEd|SmegEd]]
:Well, I believe that Yoshies are their own species. It's a bit of a paradox, you see. The giant coins in Super Mario World are called Dragon Coins, but the actual adventure takes place on Dinosaur Land. [[User:72.68.222.3|72.68.222.3]] 19:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

crynyd: Is the plural of "Yoshi" actually "Yoshies" as in the article, or "Yoshis?" Just curious.
:KevinJr42: I think it's just Yoshi, because it's a japanese name, and japanese don't do anything to the word to make words plural. Anyway, I call them "Yoshi" when they're plural.
::Feezo: Yoshi's Island uses the plural "yoshies" in the introduction. I haven't seen Nintendo use any other form.
:::Both KevinJr42 and Feezo are correct. Japanese words have no plural form, so the plural in Japanese is the same. However, in English, which is what we're concerned with, the plural is "Yoshies." And if that's how Nintendo of America does it, that's how it should be written. -- [[User:J44xm|Jaxxim]] 22:36, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC)
::::Zachnorn: Actually, in the SNES version of Yoshi's Island, it says Yoshies, but in the GBA version, it says Yoshis.

IMHO, the line below is Irrelevant:
"In the Chinese language, &#28216;&#25103; (yóuxì in pinyin) means "game.""
:Hmm. Without any basis that this influenced Yoshi's name, I'm inclined to agree. Since the sentence is archived here, I'll remove it from the article. -- [[User:J44xm|J44xm]] 02:26, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)
::This could go in a trivia section. [[User:75.153.221.227|75.153.221.227]] 10:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I always thought the name was probably a friend of Miyamoto's or something. Yoshi is a common given name, isn't it? As in the TMNT character Hamato Yoshi, or the little kid named Yoshi in the third TMNT movie?
:Keep in mind, Dragon doesn't mean the same thing in Japan as it does in the states. Our idea of a reptillian flying creature is really a western thing. The eastern concept is just anything powerful. [[User:RememberMe?|RememberMe?]] 22:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
::Actually, I think the eastern idea of a dragon is a benevolent, floating, serpent-like creature.  The [[Pokèmon]] [[Rayquaza]] is closely based on a Chinese Dragon, and also a creature named a [[ziz]] from Hebrew mythology.  How Yoshi fits into that... a Western dragon without wings?  I have noticed that Yoshi's anatomy is somewhat similar to the Veliceraptor and T-Rex, so I think that it makes more sense for Yoshi to be a dinosaur.  --[[User:Luigifan|Luigifan]] 12:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes but some species of dragons like the marsupial dragon of Australia (see dragonology by Ernest Drake) look like yoshi apart from the wings. And in Yoshi's first game a red or blue yoshi could sometimes fly and breathe fire.- [[Yoshiologist]]

In Super Mario World, Yoshi sends a letter to Mario and Yoshi's signature says 'Super Dragon Yoshi.'[[User:211.30.130.225|211.30.130.225]] 07:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
== Technically impossible? ==
I removed the following statement:

''That concept was considered technically impossible until the SNES was developed, though unofficial ports of ''Super Mario World'' to the NES have shown it may not have been.''

The passive voice is hiding the attribution here (see [[Wikipedia: Avoid weasel terms]].) As a software developer, I can say it seems downright silly that the NES has any technical limitation preventing this. Indeed, I recently played Adventure Island 2 and 3, an NES game in which the main character does ride a dinosaur. [[User:Dcoetzee|Deco]] 07:27, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:It's been said in interviews with Miyamoto and such that riding Yoshi was considered by them to be too complex for the NES. I'll see if I can find a source. [[User:Andrevan|<b><font color="mediumblue">Andre</font></b>]] ([[User_talk:Andrevan|<font color=royalblue>talk</font>]]) July 1, 2005 07:52 (UTC)

::Miyamoto did say that, Steven Kent even noted it in his book ''The Ultimate History of Video Games''. [[User:TJ Spyke|TJ Spyke]] 21:19, 6 April 2006 (ET)

:::Just because Miyamoto said it, doesn't make it a true fact as written. One could say that Miyamoto felt the concept impossible before the SNES was developed and cite a source though [[User:Marsman57|Marsman57]] 20:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::::May I note, [[User:Dcoetzee|Deco]] and [[User:Marsman57|Marsman57]], that we're ''not'' talking about whether it was technically possible for the simulation of a character riding a steed (really, of any type)? We're talking about how Miyamoto considered it impossible, which, in fact, he did; therefore, taking information about Miyamoto considering it impossible for the simulation of a character riding a steed out of an article for the reason of it possibly being possible is rediculous. The reason is completely null. Additionally, the mentioning of the dinosaur steed from Adventure Island 2 and 3 is completely unrelated to what we're talking about. Miyamoto considered the concept impossible for his purposes. I'm incredulous that I had to point all of this out.
:::::If Miyamoto said that, quote Miyamoto and cite it properly. Something like: "Miyamoto considered it technically impossible to create an NES game featuring a character riding a dinosaur." I naturally assumed somebody just made it up since it's patently ridiculous. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] 22:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Miyamoto did indeed say that, it's from an interview with him that was published as part of the "Mario Mania" player's guide in 1991.
::::::''Q. How do you decide when to make another Mario game?''
::::::''A. After we finish a Mario game, the staff usually vows never to do another one!  But once the game is released, we start thinking it may not be such a bad idea to add another title to the series.  We usually have lots of ideas that we haven't been able to implement yet.  A good example is Yoshi the dinosaur who just appeared in Super Mario World.  We wanted to have Mario ride a dinosaur ever since we finished the original Super Mario Bros., but it was impossible technically.  We were finally able to get Yoshi off the drawing boards with the Super NES.''
::::::As said above, the reason is unknown, and irrelevant.  Obviously a steed is physically possible on the NES, but for whatever reason, Miyamoto and the rest of the staff at the time considered it too limiting to implement Yoshi properly.  [[User:Hypershell|Hypershell]] 17:20, Sept 10, 2007 (Eastern)
:::::::Fair enough, as long as it's attributed to that source and not stated as fact. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] 21:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

==Ugly picture==
Does anyone share with me the belief that that Yoshi picture is awful? I believe we should replace it with a Super Mario World picture. Oh well, do what you will.
:The Super Mario World image is no longer canon for his appearance. nogo. - [[User:A Link to the Past|A Link to the Past]] [[User talk:A Link to the Past|(talk)]] 18:11, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

== Hatch into a baby Yoshi? ==
I am in complete disagreement with the one sentence from the article that says ''"an egg, which they can throw as a weapon (or sometimes hatch into a baby Yoshi)"''. '''There isn't''' a game in which Yoshi lays eggs from which baby Yoshis emerge. All of those eggs were used as weapons. And although of course in the games there are eggs from which Yoshis emerge, no Yoshi is ever seen laying them, much less creating them by eating an enemy. The eggs that Yoshi lays in the games do not contain babies! And there is absolutely no proof to say they do. I find this little sentence from the article outrageously wrong. Let's see if Wikipedia stands for the truth.

<blockquote>
Yoshi has laid eggs, and mushrooms and 1ups have come out of them.  But still no baby Yoshis, perhaps because the rules of Super Mario World only allow one Yoshi to exist simultaneously per level.  [[User:Dwedit|Dwedit]] 06:45, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
</blockquote>
You know, technically, he can lay eggs that other Yoshis come out of... If he happens to have swallowed another Yoshi. Think of [[Super Smash Bros. Melee|''Super Smash Bros. Melee'']]. In that game, you can swallow other Yoshis and trap them in eggs as an attack, by just using the B button.

:::Yoshi laid eggs that hatched baby Yoshis in the Game & Watch Gallery series. Chef is the first game to come to mind, but I think he could also do this in Egg. --[[User:195.92.168.174|195.92.168.174]] 05:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

:Personally, I suspect that Yoshis are like some other animals in that the males generally gather food while the females stay behind to protect the young. Hence we would rarely if ever see a female Yoshi in a game because they'd all be hiding in caves somewhere caring for babies. As for how the males are supposedly laying eggs, it's simple: this is actually oddly-coloured fecal matter. Yoshis must have some strange digestive system which absorbs nutrients extremely fast, completing the digestion process in seconds, which provides them with a convenient (albeit rather gross) weapon, just as monkeys are known to do. This also explains why eating an enemy produces only an "egg", while swallowing another player in Smash Bros games does a small amount of damage but leaves them intact - the very fast digestion process is enough to disintegrate small, weak enemies such as Shyguys and fruit, but leaves little impact on larger targets such as people.

:It's silly, yes, but it makes sense. The "eggs" used as weapons are not truly eggs at all! And... uh... he'd already swallowed all that junk in Super Mario World, but was constipated? Eh, it works. [[User:75.153.221.227|75.153.221.227]] 11:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
::So, um... yeeeah. You guys are hilarious. Before you act like there has ''never'' been an appearance of a Yoshi laying eggs that hatch into other yoshies, you might want to look up Game & Watch Galleries 2 and 4. Making assumptions is usually looked down upon here; anyhow, yes, Wikipedia will stand for the truth -- you're, (whoever started this emphatically unnecessary topic), outrageously wrong.

:::I don't think there are any male or female Yoshi(s)... the species seems to reproduce asexually. Besides, it's friggin' Mario, the canon is deliberately very loose and rarely gets in the way of gameplay. Besides, I think that the Yoshi's egglaying ability is an innovating evolutionary feature, combining with good throwing strength to create an excellent hunting/self-defence mechanism...

:Look at official artworks. Some pictures show that an adult Yoshi can hatch from an egg. And baby Yoshis hatch from some eggs in Super Mario World, but they grow up very quickly.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.125.8.37|82.125.8.37]] ([[User talk:82.125.8.37|talk]]) 10:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Yoshi Gallery?  ==
I think we should make a gallery because Yoshi has different colors. [[Thief Lord]] 12:28, 8 November 2005

I also think we should include information from Yoshi Touch and Go (such as eggs and how fast they can go. [[Thief Lord]] 12:42, 8 November 2005
::The information about how fast eggs go may be a bit obscure, from the sound of it. I haven't played the game, however. [[User:AOEU|AOEU]] 22:39, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

== Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom ==
I have removed a section that refers to yoshi's role in a fan made flash animation "Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom."  This section previously did not make any mention that "Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom" is not endorsed in any way by Nintendo and is not well known to fans of Nintendo.  Furthermore, I believe that "Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom" does not have enough importance to be mentioned at all in an article on the yoshi character (perhaps it should be mentioned on the article on "Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom" instead, and certainly should not be treated on equal footing with his appearence in Nintendo video games and licensed products.

User 4.160.33.146 has added this section back in without stating any reasons for doing so.  In addition to my objections listed above, the section is still inaccurate: the Rise of the Mushroom Kingdom is a fan made flash animation, not a movie and does not deserve its own section (it is currently given equal weight as the "Appearences" section).  Please explain your reasons for including this section on this discussion page.

In addition, the phrase "Yoshi has one of the most unique playing styles making him hard to master, but lethal when mastered." is inaccurate in its implied description of Super Smash Bros. melee.  Yoshi is considered one of the weakest/worst characters in Super Smash Bros. melee by the Smash World Forums (which is where avid and professional video game players discuss Smash Bros. melee - see the melee article), and is in fact listed in the second to last of 6 tiers by their official character ranking project (the link for the character ratings is http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=50171, however you will need to register in order to view threads in the forum).

just because that forums says it does make it fact this is all opinion based and their opinion is no more right than the above poster besides I can beat plenty of peoples with yoshis its all down to taste in the end --[[User:Chaotic-Strike|Chaotic-Strike]] 18:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== yoshi. dinosaur, or dragon? ==
i think yoshi is a dinosaur. he has the looks of a t-rex. his short little arms, his big feet, the lumps on his back,etc.

i think he is a dinosaur.

He looks like a [[Heterodontosaurus]].

-Anonymous <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:68.5.28.194|68.5.28.194]] ([[User talk:68.5.28.194|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.5.28.194|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>

According to the Nintendo 64 game, Super Smash Bros., in Yoshis description, its says" Yoshi is the friendly dinosaur of Yoshi Island.....". Proving that yoshi is simply a name for the species of dinosaurs.
 
-Moozipan <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:68.5.28.194|68.5.28.194]] ([[User talk:68.5.28.194|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.5.28.194|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>

:This is already mentioned in the article under '''Species'''.  --[[User:SaturnYoshi|SaturnYoshi]] 23:51, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

==Yoshi's Helpers==
I think the '''Yoshi's Helpers''' section is poorly written. It has lots of personal language, is far too informal and has lots of launguage that is unsuitable for Wikipedia. I have changed some "yous" to "players", but there are some bits I am not sure how to rephrase. I will attempt to change it but I would be greatful if someone else had a look at it. [[User:The-|The-]] 17:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I have now rephrased the unencyclopaedic parts, but I would be greatful if someone could look over the section. [[User:The-|The-]] 17:33, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

:The entire thing sounds like it's copied out of an instruction manual. [[User:75.153.221.227|75.153.221.227]] 11:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

== Description illogicalness ==
In the Description and other notes section, the paragraph about the sounds, the last sentence doesn't seem in line with the rest of the paragraph. Where the rest goes about the sounds Yoshi makes, the last sentence goes about his ability to detect fruit. I don't want to touch this section, as I might make it even more confusing. Anyone having suggestions? --[[User:GaryCXJk|GaryCXJk]] 01:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:Perhaps it could be moved to the introductory paragraph at the beginning of the article. [[User:Agent CH|Agent CH]] 01:40, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
::I do think it can fit in the Description section, however, I think it's better to move this part to a different location within this section. But it probably fits better in the introduction.--[[User:GaryCXJk|GaryCXJk]] 10:23, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


== Minor Character? ==
It states that Yoshi is a minor character, but he appears in many Mario games, even if it's just as a cameo or selectable character. I think this should be changed to something else. Eratticus 01:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Yoshi isn't a 'Minor Character.' He has had his own games about himself, like in Yoshi's Story or, Yoshi's Touch And Go.

== Teeth!? ==

It says Yoshis have teeth. What's the source? --[[User:Gaming King|Gaming King]] 02:20, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
:The Yoshi's Story artwork, I'd figure. The artwork of a pink Yoshi hover-jumping has him showing his teeth, like he's straining to perform the move. [http://i6.tinypic.com/14so5yx.jpg Here's the artwork], found on [http://www.yoshilore.com Yoshi Lore]. [[User:Agent CH|Agent CH]] 03:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

That image is screwed up. Yoshi has never been shown with teeth in any of his video games. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:75.17.202.153|75.17.202.153]] ([[User talk:75.17.202.153|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.17.202.153|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>
:Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island shows him with teeth, I believe when he's damaged.  [http://darkut.free.fr/Resources/Sprites/ss_yoshi.gif Here] is a reference, from [http://darkut.free.fr/index.htm Darkmark's Lair].  It's the eighth sprite on the second row. [[User:True Hitoare|True Hitoare]] 21:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Yoshi also clearly has teeth in Yoshi's Island DS, as part of the artwork and the in-game sprites (most often when flutter jumping). This finalizes it; Yoshis have teeth.

:Doesn't Yoshi growl and bare his teeth when an enemy is nearby in Yoshi's Story? [[User:75.153.221.227|75.153.221.227]] 11:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

'sigh' Yoshi CLEARLY has buck teeth because you can see them for a few seconds in SSBM when he falls (I don't mean in a pit I mean when he is hit)! Oh, and no, Yoshi dosen't show his teeth when he growls in Yoshi's Story. {{#if:you're not colorblind, it's colored this way. [[User:Misteryoshi|Misteryoshi]]|<span style="background-color:white;color:silver;">you're not colorblind, it's colored this way. [[User:Misteryoshi|Misteryoshi]]</span>|<span style="color:silver;">white</span>}} 13:20, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

== References ==

Okay, I've noticed that there are pretty much NO references, so I've decided to go and look for as many as I can, so far, as you can see, I've gotten about 20. More to come soon. --[[User:Bentendo24|Bentendo24]] 19:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
::That's good, but the GFAQs links are invalid (rather, GFAQs does not allow external linking).[[User:AOEU|AOEU]] 22:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

==Gender Usage==
The article discusses the ambiguity of Yoshi's gender, but the article consistently uses "he", "him", etc. to refer to Yoshi. I've changed most of the gender-specific pronouns, but it seems a bit awkward. Suggestions? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:AOEU|AOEU]] ([[User talk:AOEU|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AOEU|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small>

In all games they've refered the green Yoshi as a Male, or him/he. Theres never been a time where they've said she. Also, even if it is unknown what gender it is, usully people refer to the character as a he. --[[User:Bentendo24|Bentendo24]] 04:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Then how come he can lay eggs? [[User:149.135.29.75|149.135.29.75]] 23:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Both Males and Females lay eggs.
Only Females ones hatch. 
Any Nintendo Fan knows that. [[User:Angry Sun|Angry Sun]] 23:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
:I didn't until last year at some point, and I was a Nintendo fan before then... &mdash; [[User:Malcolm|Malcolm]]<sup>[[User talk:Malcolm|Use]] [[Special:Contributions/Malcolm|the]] [[Spaceballs|schwartz]]!</sup> 23:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Yoshi is male, it seems to me though that all yoshis are males...I have never played a game where there is a female yoshi, if they wanted something in the place they just use Birdo... I have also never seen a male birdo, that once led me to think that Yoshis and Birdos were somehow connected, however in mario kart double dash it has there speacail items as seperate items, Yoshi egg and Birdo egg, as opposed to mario and luigis same item the fire ball but they are diffrant colors.

:While some argue over Yoshi's gender ambiguity, I remember in the original Super Mario Bros. 2 manual that it said that Birdo was a cross-dressing male. Then "he" later became a "she". So would Yoshi be an [[intersexual]] (i.e. one who transcends gender or has both genders) and Birdo a [[transexual]] (one who identifies with the opposite gender and may even opt to be [[transgendered]])? That might explain the mysterious Mario Kart: Double Dash!! pairing. Okay, I'll be good. ;) [[User:Drumpler|Drumpler]] 21:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

== Raphael the Raven ==

*Raphael the Raven - Raphael is the leader of the ravens on Mt. Lavalava, the volcano looming over Yoshi Village. If players find him deep within Jade Jungle, he'll be able to help them a great deal. Raphael the Raven was a boss in ''Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island''.

If I recall correctly, Raphael the Raven was not specifically a friend of Yoshi Village. Also, the "player" in this case is Mario, not Yoshi. I am in favor of removing this section. [[User:AOEU|AOEU]] 23:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

:You sir, are correct, so I'm removing it. Also, the fact that he was a boss character proves that they must not be great friends. --[[User:Bentendo24|Bentendo24]] 00:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

== Lameness controversy ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yoshi&diff=75055560&oldid=74946533 I removed] the awful "Species Controversy" and "Gender Controversy" sections as wholly unencyclopedic, original research, and unsourceable. These "controversies" exist only in the minds of bored forum posters, and there's no independent third-party commentary in reliable sources on them. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <font color="black">'''Bl♟ck'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] | [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 07:20, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

:I agree with this decision.  Some people think way too hard about fictional characters.  -[[User:SaturnYoshi|SaturnYoshi]] 07:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
::I second the idea, as well. [[User:AOEU|AOEU]] 22:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

== Factual Error. ==

"Yoshi first appeared in Super Mario World [6] for the Super Famicom in his Japanese release"
No.. he very well didn't. He first appeared as a transformed king in Super Smash Bros.3. He didn't have a name but here's a screenshot for you. World 7, last castle.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Azoruk/hello.jpg

:That is the ''[[Super Mario All-Stars]]'' (1993) version of ''[[Super Mario Bros. 3]]'' (1988-1990).  A game that was released for the Super Nintendo well after the release of ''[[Super Mario World]]'' (1990-1991).  All the kings transformations were changed from the original NES version.  Thank you.  -[[User:SaturnYoshi|SaturnYoshi]] 23:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

::He was actully a [[Piranha Plant]] in the original. In the later versions, or ''Super Mario-All Stars'' and ''Super Mario Bros. 3 Advance'', they changed him into a Yoshi, just like the above poster said. --[[User:Bentendo24|Bentendo24]] 00:42, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

:::Thank you, I couldn't remember what the king was transformed into originally.  And how could someone mistake ''Super Mario Bros.'' for ''Super Smash Bros.''?  Especially since ''"Smash Bros. 3"'' isn't even out yet.  -[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="darkblue">Saturn</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi/Esperanza|<font color="green">Yoshi</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]]</sup> 00:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

== Yoshis come in thousands of colours? ==

I can't say I've seen thousands of different coloured yoshis. Maybe their skin colour could be slightly different for each one, but the sentence could perhaps be changed to something a little less extreme, perhaps 'Yoshis come in ''many'' colours'?
[[User:Guitarhero91|Guitarhero91]] 00:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:I re-worded it.  -[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''Saturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi/Esperanza|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''Yoshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon" face="comic sans ms">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 02:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

== Fears ==

Does anyone think that this section is necessary to the atricle, it seems to detract from it's credibility bit. If no one object I think it'd be worth deleting it. [[User:BigHairRef|BigHairRef]] | [[User talk:BigHairRef|Talk]] 01:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

:None of it seems to add up.  Just because a Piranha Plant is an enemy in a game doesn't mean it's necessarily feared.  The bit about Bowser bringing them to Yoshi's Island is unconfirmed, and will likely remain so.  While he does fear water in the cartoon, game mechanics in ''Sunshine'' shouldn't be use to try to explain this.  Most of this section is largely original research.  -[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''Saturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi/Esperanza|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''Yoshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon" face="comic sans ms">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 04:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

== Verification Box ==

I've made a few edits removing some unfounded and unverifiable information (like fears section etc). Some of the bits that clearly had no support from sources have gone as well. After these edits (and assuming there aren't major changes) I reckon that it would be suitable to get rid of the verifcation box at the top. Anyone disagree? [[User:BigHairRef|BigHairRef]] | [[User talk:BigHairRef|Talk]] 01:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

:Before that, I think that the cite tags need to be dealt with.  There is one under '''Species''' and another under '''Habitat'''.  If we can source those claims, then all should be good.  -[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="midnightblue" face="comic sans ms">'''Saturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi/Esperanza|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">'''Yoshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="maroon" face="comic sans ms">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 09:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

== Yoshi's Debut? ==

Sorry, but didn't Yoshi make his/her initial debut in Yosshi no Tamago as Luigi's pet?  I just think it's weird that in a Yoshi article there's no mention of who his/her original owner was. [[User:Outlawed Heroine|Outlawed Heroine]] 18:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

:Gamefaqs.com (while not necessarily citeable) lists the Japanese release as 12/14/91. Super Mario World is listed as 11/21/90 in Japan. Looks like SMW has it beat by a year. [[User:Gene S. Poole|Gene S. Poole]] 01:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

== Canon vs. Meta? ==

I think a decision needs to be made as to which games contribute to the lore of Yoshi, and which ones simply include Yoshi in the game. Off the top of my head, I can think of two game series - Smash Bros and Mario Kart - that probably should not qualify as contributing to the lore.

The reason is as follows:
1) Smash Bros does not actually involve the Nintendo franchise characters fighting with one another. Rather, the storyline involves toys of the characters duking it out. This distinction therefore would not make any game in which Yoshi makes an appearance as a canon title, adding to the lore of Yoshi or of yoshis, as the species and character are not involved in the game directly (Instead, it seems like the premise is the imagination of a child is giving the toys these particular powers)
2) The Mario Kart franchise is a meta-game, not meant to be canonical. This is evidenced by the fact that Mario and Baby Mario ride along side by side, competing with one another, and Bowser races against them. Likewise, Mario Party, Mario Strikers, and any game which simply uses the franchise characters as placeholders should not apply either.

Because of this, it is strongly recommended that the information on the page related to Yoshi's eggs and their abilities be seriously trimmed down - Most sources of information (like capturing foes in eggs, for example) seem to come from either Smash Bros or Mario Kart, both of which should not qualify as canonical to the lore of the Yoshisaur (And so long as I'm on a diatribe, neither should the SMB cartoon, it had Yoshi talking, fer chrissake).

If there is no opposition, I shall be removing the particular material to tidy up the article.
[[User:Gene S. Poole|Gene S. Poole]] 01:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

== Boshi... ==

"Boshi's only appearance in a Nintendo-made game was in this game. In the past, rumors have existed concerning the existence of Boshi in other games, but these have been proven to be false (though in Super Mario 64, Yoshi can be changed into Boshi with a Gameshark or similar cheating device, sans the shades and spiked collar)."

So in other words, you can make Yoshi blue with a gameshark? I'm deleting this part, as it contributes nothing. Boshi has no appearances in any other game, enough said. [[User:Gene S. Poole|Gene S. Poole]] 01:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, it's pretty confusing, and Yoshi can probably be turned many colors with a cheating device. &ndash;[[User:Llama man|The Gre]][[User talk:Llama man|at Llama]]<sup>[[User:Llama man/Autographs|<span style="color:red;">sign here</span>]]</sup> 02:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
::16,777,216 to be exact. Now make me a code that gives him shades, spiked collar and bad additude and we'll talk. ;-) [[User:75.153.221.227|75.153.221.227]] 11:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

== Yoshi or yoshi? ==

Unless I'm missing my guess, "Yoshi" should only be used when referring to our green mascot character, and "yoshi" should refer to the singular in reference to the species as a whole. So far I haven't changed it, but if it's okay with everyone I think I'll try to clear it up. [[User:Gene S. Poole|Gene S. Poole]] 02:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
:I believe that when referring to the species, "Yoshi" is used. It's usually like that in the games. &ndash;[[User:Llama man|The Gre]][[User talk:Llama man|at Llama]]<sup>[[User:Llama man/Autographs|<span style="color:red;">sign here</span>]]</sup> 02:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
::Really? So, as an example, 

::"Today, we went for a walk in the park, fed the wild Yoshis, and saw a movie."

:: would be grammatically correct? Weird. That flies in the face of proper grammar laws everywhere. 
::[[User:Gene S. Poole|Gene S. Poole]] 02:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I ''believe'' so (I'm not ''completely'' sure). But since Yoshis live on Yoshi's Island, where would a movie theater be there? The only movie theater near Yoshis I can think of is Yoshi Theater in the Beanbean Kingdom, and those Yoshis aren't even wild. :) I do like making strange comments. &ndash;[[User:Llama man|The Gre]][[User talk:Llama man|at Llama]]<sup>[[User:Llama man/Autographs|<span style="color:red;">sign here</span>]]</sup> 02:58, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
::::...
::::...smart@$$. ;)
::::[[User:Gene S. Poole|Gene S. Poole]] 03:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yes, [[User:Gene S. Poole|Gene S. Poole]], I do believe you're correct. I wish I had a way to verify it.


Yoshi = Our overrated little Green Dino Friend.
Yoshies/Yoshi's = The Species. [[User:Angry Sun|Angry Sun]] 15:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I think it would just be "Yoshi" (singular) or "Yoshis" (plural) for the species. &mdash; [[User:Malcolm|Malcolm]]<sup>[[User talk:Malcolm|Use]] [[Special:Contributions/Malcolm|the]] [[Spaceballs|schwartz]]!</sup> 19:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

That's why I put the slash.
Just in case I was wrong on one.

: Actually, it's very common in video gaming for species and item names to be given a capital letter. So Yoshi or Yoshis/Yoshies would always be capitalised, as would Super Mushroom, Fire Flower, Goomba, etc. ([[User:Fryguy64|Fryguy64]] 10:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC))

== Super Mario Bros Movie ==

(Please, no comments about the quality of the movie <_<)

The article notes that in the movie, Yoshi is much too small for Mario to have ridden him. Could he not be a baby at this point? As I understood it the movie takes place around the time of Super Mario Bros, which may explain the distinct lack of Yoshis in the games at that point. [[User:75.153.221.227|75.153.221.227]] 11:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

== Yoshi's grab ==

When I played Super Smash Brothers as Yoshi, I saw him grabbing edges of platforms. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/67.10.200.101|67.10.200.101]] ([[User talk:67.10.200.101|talk]]) 02:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:.......Alright....and? your point is...?
:For that matter, the Yoshi in SSB who is grabbing is not really Yoshi. as per the SSB premise, that would be a toy of yoshi, and as such any characteristic of the SSB Yoshi would not be attributable to the real deal...
:[[User:Gene S. Poole|Gene S. Poole]] 23:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

==Yoshi created for NES?==
[http://wii.ign.com/articles/761/761605p1.html http://wii.ign.com/articles/761/761605p1.html] has an interesting comment: ''He conceived of, early on in the 8-bit days, the idea of mascot Mario riding astride a great green dinosaur. But the NES couldn't handle it. Nintendo's first console didn't have the power. So while Yoshi was born in the '80s, he lived for years only in the pages of Shiggy's many sketchbooks.'' That would be a really nice point here, as most of this article revolves around Yoshi's appearances but not about its creation. -- [[User:ReyBrujo|ReyBrujo]] 03:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not sure we can consider reliable any source that refers to Shigeru Miyamoto as "Shiggy". - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <font color="black">'''Bl♟ck'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] | [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 03:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
::No, it's true. It's also sourced at the Mushroom Kingdom and some video gaming book I have. [[User:208.101.148.128|208.101.148.128]] 21:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

== "LEWZMP's Diary DS" ==

Someone keeps adding that Yoshi appears in something called "LEWZMP's Diary DS". Can someone shut him up or something? - [[User:NES Boy|NES Boy]] 03:44, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
:Apparently it's a fangame or the something (sources [http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B2GGGL_enCA176CA176&q=%22LEWZMP's+Diary+DS%22] [http://www.killermovies.com/forums/422425_41-a-need-for-myths-legends-and-things-of-a-random-nature]). There's nothing we can really do about it either, the person/people adding this is likely using a proxy server (stupid dial-up). --[[User:FlyingPenguins|FlyingPenguins]] 02:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

== Blue Yoshi ==

I just noticed that in SMW, a Blue Yoshi can continually ascend by holding the jump button. That doesn't seem to work with a Green Yoshi using a blue shell o_o
--[[User:Phred|Phred Levi]] 18:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
:What actually triggers the continuous ascent is that Mario is Caped, meaning as long as Mario has a cape, any kind of Yoshi when capable of flight can continually ascend. — [[User:NES Boy|NES Boy]] 23:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

== I do believe I have found vandalism ==

You will find it at the bottom of Yoshi's SSB information. [[User:82.42.162.112|82.42.162.112]] 07:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
:[[WP:BOLD|Then removie it.]]—[[User:Urutapu|ウルタプ]] 12:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

:Nomination: most archaic and middle-class English heading on a Nintendo page! [[User:The globetrotter|The globetrotter]] 22:46, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

What, the part that used to say that Super Smash Bros. Melee's Japanese Trophy says that "there are no males or females", thus meaning that Yoshi is asexual?
... That's not vandalism. Saying otherwise is ignorance to the Japanese intention. [[User:208.101.136.230|208.101.136.230]] 16:12, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

== Does Nintendo fully own Yoshi? ==

This may sound like a silly question, but I noticed in a press release presumably from Nintendo or Sega about "Mario and Sonic At The Olympic Games", Mario, Sonic, the Wii, the Nintendo DS, Luigi, Knuckles, and Tails are all listed with a Trademark ™ after their name. Yoshi, however, is listed with a ®. I haven't studied up much on any differences, and would have just ignored this, however, the Mario cartoon DVDs that are coming out are unable to include the Super Mario World series, as Nintendo wouldn't allow them because of some unmentioned details about Yoshi, though don't quote me as I lack the source at the moment. The one who mentioned this said that it's possible it could of been that Nintendo didn't completely own the rights to Yoshi... [[User:DinnerSonic|DinnerSonic]] 11:54, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Well they created him.
So yeah Yoshi is theirs. [[User:Angry Sun|Angry Sun]] 01:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

== Saddle? ==
Dude, it's a shell. It looks exactly like the shell on dozens of other Mario creatures. Someone should fix the MarioWiki entry too. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/75.72.21.221|75.72.21.221]] ([[User talk:75.72.21.221|talk]]) 22:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

Really? In Super Mario RPG, if Mario chooses to ride him, he says "SADDLE up!".
:You can't use lines from an English dub of a game to prove stuff, as they can say anything without it being true; besides, that line wouldn't prove anything anyway since it's just a phrase. To me personally, a shell makes a hell of a lot more sense; why would every Yosshii be wearing a saddle? o.O <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/76.105.225.65|76.105.225.65]] ([[User talk:76.105.225.65|talk]]) 17:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

Um...Because Yoshi is similar to that of Epona!!!!
Just a animal for the character to ride on.

It's a saddle. [[User:Angry Sun|Angry Sun]] 18:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

: Can't it be both? ([[User:Fryguy64|Fryguy64]] 10:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC))

== "Pronounced 'Yoh-she' In English" == 

It's pronounced that way in both languages.  Therefore I'm deleting "in English" as that's implied. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Watchreader|Watchreader]] ([[User talk:Watchreader|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Watchreader|contribs]]) 04:39, 30 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
:And I converted it to IPA for international users. Wikipedia's worldwide, folks... [[User:TenPoundHammer|<span style="color:green;font-weight:bold;">Ten&nbsp;Pound&nbsp;Hammer</span>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;<sup>((([[Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer|Broken&nbsp;clamshells]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[:User talk:TenPoundHammer|Otter&nbsp;chirps]])))</sup> 01:04, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
<br />:It's not really the same in Japanese. The o in the "yo" sound in Japanese bears only a vague resemblance to the "oh" sound in English, which doesn't exist in the Japanese language. Moreover, wouldn't the "i" in "shi" be whispered, since it's an i following a non-vocalized consonant? <br /> Edit: Wait, no. It's a long i. Never mind. --[[User:Ketsuekigata|Ketsuekigata]] 20:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Its a shell but its used as a saddel, cuz its attached to him

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=="Super Dragon"?==

Forgive me if I'm missing something (since no references are given toward this on the page), but since when is the prominent, main Yoshi referred to as a "Super Dragon" individual? And I mean by '''official''' sources, not fans. The term is used twice in the article, without any context, explanation, or refrence as far as I can tell. If this is just a fanon term being used to distinguish between the main Yoshi and the other members of his species, why not just say "main individual" instead of "Super Dragon individual"? I'm changing it for now, somebody else can change it back if there's a legitimate reason to do so. [[User:AtomicIrritantDevlin|AtomicIrritantDevlin]] 01:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

"Super Dragon" is Yoshi's Final Smash in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. It's not a fan name of any sort.[[User:72.225.211.5|72.225.211.5]] 08:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
:Also, the term "Super Dragon" is used in the text at Yoshi's House in the Japanese version of Super Mario World. The title has pretty much been around since Yoshi first debuted, it seems. [[User:Disaster Kirby|D<font color="Purple"><b>i</b></font>saster K<font color="Purple"><b>i</b></font>rby]]<sup>[[User talk:Disaster Kirby|<font color="Purple">Talk</font>]]</sup> 08:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

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==Plural?==
The Plural on this page keeps changing. What is the final descision?

*Yoshis
*Yoshies
*Yoshi

Hm....

[[User:Mhavril39|Mhavril39]] 10:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure it's "Yoshis" (I've seen it in strategy guides made by Nintendo). &mdash; [[User:Malcolm|Malcolm]] ([[User talk:Malcolm|talk]]) 18:13, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
::Every grammar book I've ever seen says that when pluralizing a proper name, only an "S" is added (e.g. "There are two Kansas Citys"). Thus, "Yoshis" is correct. [[User:TenPoundHammer|<span style="color:green">Ten&nbsp;Pound&nbsp;Hammer</span>]] • <sup>([[Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer|Broken clamshells]]•[[:User talk:TenPoundHammer|Otter chirps]])</sup> 00:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Really? "Yoshi" is a Japanese name, so I'd imagine the plural would be "Yoshi". Look to Pokémon. They don't say, "Look at all the Pikachus", they say, "Look at all the Pikachu" (at least in an English dubbed episode I saw, they did). For the same reason one could properly say, "There's a lot of ninja" instead of "There's a lot of ninjas". Of course, with English grammar, those rules might all go out the window . . . that's just how I've understood them. [[User:Drumpler|Drumpler]] 06:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

== Super Smash Bros. ==

As of now, Yoshi is one of the few characters in the Smash Bros. series without at least a paragraph explaining his moves and/or playing style. Can someone expand the single sentence into something a bit better? [[User:72.225.211.5|72.225.211.5]] 13:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== Yoshi's Debut ==

Was his first appearance truly in Super Mario World? There IS that game "Yoshi" for the NES... [[User:68.49.196.89|68.49.196.89]] 15:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
:''Super Mario World'' was released in Japan in November 1990. ''Yoshi'' was released in Japan in December 1991. [[User:Disaster Kirby|D<font color="Purple"><b>i</b></font>saster K<font color="Purple"><b>i</b></font>rby]]<sup>[[User talk:Disaster Kirby|<font color="Purple">Talk</font>]]</sup> 16:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)