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=October 29=

== Font ==

what type of font is used for the lettering of this?

[[:Image:GNRchinesedemocracy.jpg]]  {{unsigned2|01:22, 29 October 2008|24.21.172.115}}

:Difficult to tell in all caps, but it looks like a version of [[Garamond]] to me. I'm sure that some typographical experts will be along to correct me before long, so wait for them. [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 01:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:: What makes you say Garamond? I'd guess it's a fairly recent design, i.e. since 1984. —[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 06:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:[http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/ WhatTheFont] listed Congress SB-Light, Congress Light, Congress T Light, Skopex Serif-Reg Caps, and Skopex Serif-Reg TF as possible matches, but I'm not at all sure how reliable the tool is... --[[User:Onorem|Onorem]][[Special:Contributions/Onorem|♠]][[User talk:Onorem|Dil]] 12:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

::It's not very reliable. --[[Special:Contributions/98.217.8.46|98.217.8.46]] ([[User talk:98.217.8.46|talk]]) 01:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:Not one I'm familiar with (and I have a lot of fonts, and a pretty good knowledge of them). Definitely not Garamond (or Congress or Skopex). It has some distinctive features, like the tail of the R and the lack of a serif on the center of the E. I haven't found anything that really matched up to it. It reminds me of the serif font that engravers sometimes use for those cheesy trophies and paperweights.  --[[Special:Contributions/98.217.8.46|98.217.8.46]] ([[User talk:98.217.8.46|talk]])

== Please remove four-letter word in one of your articles... ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cebu_City

Under Cebu City, under History:

"As early as 3,000 years ago, Cebu is the fucking city, Zebu, Zzubu or Sugbu, was already shito a prosperous settlement before it was colonized by Spain."

The use of the "F" word needs to be changed and this needs to be corrected, immediately.  Other errors may be present.  You can check.  Thank you.

:Fixed.  And thank you.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:57, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

::just wondering why couldn't the poster of the question fix the article?
[[User:Mix Lord|Mix Lord]] ([[User talk:Mix Lord|talk]]) 08:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Dear Poster, thanks for finding what is vandalism (I'm imagining it's by someone who thought their hometown was a "hole" – dictionary meaning is informal for: a small or unpleasant place : ''she had wasted a whole lifetime in this hole of a town''). Be [[WP:BOLD|bold]] and change back anything like vandalism you come across. [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] ([[User talk:Julia Rossi|talk]]) 08:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

::::See [[vandalism]] and in particular [[Wikipedia:vandalism]]. I'm afraid it happens all the time. It is a pain in the ''phrase removed''. [[User:Dmcq|Dmcq]] ([[User talk:Dmcq|talk]]) 08:13, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:While the word was inappropriate here, do note if the word is used appropriately, e.g. if it's a direct quote from someone that is valid and important to the article, then it is unlikely it will be removed since wikipedia is [[Wikipedia:not censored|not censored]] [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 12:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== Nationalism in India and Europe ==

what is nationalism in india and europe? 
when was it started?
give brief description on nationalism in india and europe  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/59.92.244.18|59.92.244.18]] ([[User talk:59.92.244.18|talk]]) 03:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:We will not do your homework here.  Try searching for the answers yourself by typing a key word or phrase (hint: "india nationalism") in the search box near the top left of this page (click ''Search'' instead of ''Go'').  -- [[User:Tcncv|Tcncv]] ([[User talk:Tcncv|talk]]) 04:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Vegetarianism ==

As a rule of thumb, are most [[lacto-ovo vegetarian]]s okay with eating ingredients made from animal byproduct (such as [[gelatin]] or [[fish sauce]]), or not?  I would actually be glad to "poll the reference desk" on this one.  Please mention if you happen to be a lacto-ovo vegetarian.  [[User:Jade Knight|The Jade Knight]] ([[User talk:Jade Knight|talk]]) 10:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:If l-o vegetarians don't eat fish or meat, why would they eat associated by-products of these animals? Dairy products imply no animal dies in the process of producing them. [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] ([[User talk:Julia Rossi|talk]]) 11:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

::A complex issue this. I'm a lacto-ovo vegetarian (as is the rest of my family). We personally do not have issues with consumption animal products as those you mentioned, not even from a religious point of view (I'm from a family of [[Hinduism|Hindus]]). I do suspect, though, that religions that shun strictly the killing of animals, e.g. [[Buddhism]] or [[Jainism]] will forbid consumption of products as those mentioned by you (afterthought: Buddhists or Jains may not consume eggs in the first place). Bottom line is, that if one is a lacto-ovo vegetarian, chances are that he will be so by his own volition, as most religions which forbid consumption of animal meat also advise against consumption of eggs. A Christian lacto-ovo vegetarian may not have such issues; on the other hand, there may not be an entity as a Jain lacto-ovo vegetarian.[[User:Leif edling|Leif edling]] ([[User talk:Leif edling|talk]]) 11:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

::Buddhism does not shun the eating of animals, it is considered wrong to kill animals. But if they are already dead and the meat is offered to the temple, the monks will take it. After all, it is already dead, and eating it fulfills the purpose of its death. Just throwing it away would make its death pointless.--[[User:Givnan|ChokinBako]] ([[User talk:Givnan|talk]]) 20:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:To respond to [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]], the vegan concept of not consuming dairy products also stems from the fact that, occasionally, male calves are killed in preference to female ones in dairies in order to lower costs and optimize output. While this: [http://notmilk.com/killacalf.html] may be overkill, such stuff does happen for fulfillment of economic ends.[[User:Leif edling|Leif edling]] ([[User talk:Leif edling|talk]]) 11:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks Leif – didn't know there was a hidden <s>statistic</s> death factor in there.  [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] ([[User talk:Julia Rossi|talk]]) 11:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:::It's worse with chickens, where the boys are generally sent directly to the [[chipper]] as soon as they're [[Chick sexing|sexed]].  --[[User:TotoBaggins|Sean]] 13:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I think Sean's post wins the award for the scariest [[WP:PIPE|piped]] link of the day.  All ovo-lacto vegetarians I know avoid jello but that's 100% anecdotal. [[User:Darkspots|Darkspots]] ([[User talk:Darkspots|talk]]) 14:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:In my experience, attitudes towards the consumption of animal byproducts vary among vegetarians.  Most vegetarians I know avoid items such as [[gelatine]], [[cochineal]] and usually [[rennet]], whereas far fewer avoid products clarified using [[isinglass]].  I suspect this is largely down to the relative difficulty in determining whether these byproducts have been used, the availability of alternatives, and perhaps because the isinglass should not be present in the finished product. [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] ''[[User talk:Warofdreams|talk]]'' 16:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

::I am vegetarian, bordering on vegan, and like most vegetarians I know, I avoid most processed foods so additives are not usually an issue. I certainly avoid eating animal products as much as possible. In the UK, many processed foods that are suitable for vegetarians will have a notice stating this, which saves a lot of time trying to read the small print. I suspect there are a large number of people who think of themselves as vegetarian but don't realise that animal products are used in the manufacture of many foods.--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 18:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Thanks to the heads up on vegetarianism, until now I've been shilled!  [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] ([[User talk:Julia Rossi|talk]]) 09:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

::::Hi. I have a friend who is a vegetarian, and can eat eggs and milk products, but cannot drink milk. He does not eat gelatin, rennet, food dye made from insects, nor any food or candy product that is made by a company known to do animal testing. Not sure if this applies to other ovo-lacto vegetarians, however. Thanks. ~<font color="blue">[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|A]][[User:AstroHurricane001|H]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|1]]</font><sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 21:25, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

==Money==

Seeing as you can get money by using your credit card at a money machine, why don't people ever just use their card indefinitely? [[Special:Contributions/58.170.198.49|58.170.198.49]] ([[User talk:58.170.198.49|talk]]) 10:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:Credit cards have a limit. The amount of that limit is based on your personal circumstances. Additionally credit-cards/bank-cards usually have a daily-limit on the amount that can be withdrawn using them at ATM machines. This is incase someone finds our your PIN and takes your card - additionally it will help prevent cash-machines having too much money taken from them, which helps decrease the amount of time between replenishing the machines (which obviously is less of a problem for ATMs attached to banks than it is for ones that aren't). [[Special:Contributions/194.221.133.226|194.221.133.226]] ([[User talk:194.221.133.226|talk]]) 11:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:Also, you have to pay the money back, or else the credit card company may be able to declare you [[bankrupt]], freeze your bank accounts, dock your salary, repossess/sell your goods, or even put you in jail, depending on local laws and practices.  If you have a card with a large limit, that is probably because the company considers you [[credit rating|trustworthy]], and even so the amount of money you can withdraw is unlikely to be enough to let you flee the country and set yourself up for life; although some people do make a living from [[credit card fraud]], they will typically use large numbers of cards.

:While many card issuers do not require cards to be authorized for small payments in stores, they are very likely to check all transactions in networked ATM machines.  They also devote a lot of effort to [[credit monitoring]] to check for non-standard spending patterns, which will allow them to identify stolen cards, [[identity theft]], or someone trying to rip them off, and many issuers will rapidly suspend cards at least until suspicious behaviour is explained.  Finally, many credit cards charge higher than normal [[interest rates]] for [[cash advance|cash advances]], so when they do catch up with you, it will be really expensive.--[[User:Maltelauridsbrigge|Maltelauridsbrigge]] ([[User talk:Maltelauridsbrigge|talk]]) 11:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

::Apart from interest rates, CREDIT cards are charged a fee for a cash withdrawal. [[User:SGBailey|SGBailey]] ([[User talk:SGBailey|talk]]) 12:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:::I'm not aware higher interest rates is the norm here in NZ. But they do charge interest from the moment you receive a cash advance rather then ~25 days after your bill (bill due date). Interest rates on credit cards are bad enough as it is anyway. And yes, you also get charged a fee. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 12:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

==Funeral==

Suppose someone dies before they have a chance to say what they want to happen to them after they die (burying, cremating etc). What happens then? [[Special:Contributions/58.170.198.49|58.170.198.49]] ([[User talk:58.170.198.49|talk]]) 10:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:The family members/individuals organising the funeral will decide. If there isn't anybody then the government will no doubt have procedures for people with no next of kin/significant others. As an added bonus...I used to wonder about cremations and ashes - whether or not you got all that person, and whether there might be other people's ashes mixed in...Apparently in the UK after a cremation everything must be cleaned out in preparation for the next cremation, you get all the ashes, but things such as pacemakers etc. are removed. [[Special:Contributions/194.221.133.226|194.221.133.226]] ([[User talk:194.221.133.226|talk]]) 11:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:::On a related note, when animals are cremated, several of them are generally put in at the same time and you get part of your animals ashes along with parts of other people's pet ashes.  Unless you pay extra, then you can get just your animal.  This is in the US.  I don't know if it differs elsewhere.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

::It's worth noting that even if you specify your wishes for the format of your funeral in advance, this is not legally binding in many jurisdictions.[http://www.lawdepot.com/contracts/will/faq/]  Although there may be additional laws governing pre-paid funerals, in many places the relatives can do what they like.

::Generally authorities will try to find some relative to pay the funeral costs, but if nobody can be found to take responsibility for the body, then generally local government will bury them.  In the USA these are commonly called indigent funerals/burials and are left to individual counties to organise and pay for[https://www.njfds.com/public/FinancialResources/IndigentBurials/tabid/102/Default.aspx][http://www.in.gov/legislative/bills/1999/FISCAL/HB1602.001.html]; in the UK, public health funerals funded by local councils[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7687190.stm].  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Maltelauridsbrigge|Maltelauridsbrigge]] ([[User talk:Maltelauridsbrigge|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Maltelauridsbrigge|contribs]]) 12:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::I've heard from several sources that's it's physically impossible to completely clean out the [[refractory]]. At best, most of what you get back will be who/what you expect, but a small percentage will be from other remains. In a very simple example, consider how perfectly clean you get your barbecue or oven - after every single use. Even if you wanted to get your oven completely clean every time you used it, there's no way you'd be able to guarantee it was 100% clean with no possibility of commingling. My understanding is that most crematories state as much explicitly, though tactfully. [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] ([[User talk:Matt Deres|talk]]) 14:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:::In Ontario, Canada, if someone dies having made a will and having named an executor in that will, the executor decides what happens to the body. Even where the will or other document stipulates what the testator wants done with his/her body, the executor may override that wish, though to do so without the agreement and/or co-operation of the (rest of the) family is likely to bring a lot of unnecessary grief to the executor's job. If there are no such instructions, the executor has the final say about the disposition of the remains. From this site [http://www.andrews.ca/en/estates.aspx] comes the following:
:::::'''Funeral and Burial'''
:::::''The executor has control over the disposition of the body.  The executor does not have to follow the instructions of the deceased as to funeral or burial arrangements, even if they are written in the will.''  
:::[[User:Bielle|៛ Bielle]] ([[User talk:Bielle|talk]]) 15:23, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Who gets the pacemakers? ==

Following the last section, are pacemakers and such things donated as are organs of deceased people? [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] ([[User talk:Julia Rossi|talk]]) 11:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:Uninformed reply. I doubt it. My mother in law is on her 3rd pacemaker, the others wore out in some fashion. I cannot imagine that they would want to reuse one in someone else, even if it had only been fitted the week before. -- [[User:SGBailey|SGBailey]] ([[User talk:SGBailey|talk]]) 12:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, my equally-uninformed opinion is similar - I would suspect that the costs of installing the pacemaker and treating the patient in the case of problems dwarfs the material cost of the pacemaker itself - so I doubt reusing them is remotely cost-effective due to the inherent unreliability of a used one. ~ <font color="#228b22">[[User:Mazca|'''m'''a'''z'''c'''a''']]</font> <sup>[[User_talk:Mazca|'''t''']]|[[Special:Contributions/Mazca|'''c''']]</sup> 14:49, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:Well, apparently it does happen: [http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/120026974/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0 Survival and Mortality in 3,701 Pacemaker Patients: Arguments in Favor of Pacemaker Reuse]: "Two pacemaker populations were compared; those having a new pacemaker and (hose implanted with a reused pacemaker. There were no statistically significant differences between the two groups, either in terms of indications for implantation or in terms of actuarial survival of patients. In addition, there was no significant change in survival of the pulse generator. The reutilization of pacemakers appeared to be in no way detrimental to patients.". [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] ([[User talk:Rmhermen|talk]]) 16:47, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:Pacemakers are purely electronic - right?  No moving parts.  So I don't see how one could 'wear out'.  Failure of electronic parts after an initial 'burn in' period is essentially random.  So a used pacemaker ought to run (on average) for just as long as a properly burned-in new one.  Of course if they don't do the 'burn in' period properly prior to implantation then a used pacemaker would last (on average) longer than a new one.  [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 18:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::::That's only half the bath-tub curve! Everything wears out eventually; yes, after the initial 'burn in' period there's a random failure period, but eventually it will wear out. I don't know how long it is before the average pacemaker reaches the wearout period, and from Rmhermen's source it sounds like people are still determining it. Without that, the increased risk can't be determined. [[Special:Contributions/79.66.32.150|79.66.32.150]] ([[User talk:79.66.32.150|talk]]) 19:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

::My son-in-law was for a short time a crematorium attendant and he told me that "burned-out" pacemakers, knees, hips, shoulders etc. are scrapped due to the utterly destructive intense heat generated during the cremation process, not forgetting the reluctance and sensitivities of families and friends, both of the "donor" and any potential recipient to the concept of any re-engineering and re-use. However, I think my understanding of "Burn-in" in this context differs from that of Steve Baker in his!!!
:::Pacemakers are removed before cremation as they may present an explosion or radiation danger (see [[Cremation#Burning and ashes collection]]) [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] ([[User talk:Rmhermen|talk]]) 20:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:Some dishonest morticians may steal them (I knew one).  This, however, is illegal.  [[User:Jade Knight|The Jade Knight]] ([[User talk:Jade Knight|talk]]) 06:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== Claire Daines ==

In the TV show My so called life, who was the guy she fell in love with, who was the actor, and who was the character, and most importantly, what was the song that he wrote for her.{{unsignedip|193.115.175.247}}

:Have you seen our article on [[My So-Called Life]], you'll find all of the answers there. [[User:Nanonic|Nanonic]] ([[User talk:Nanonic|talk]]) 14:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== food ==

is there a product on the market, or how feasable is it to produce a product that conyains everything one needs to survive. eg all the vitamins, minerals, protiens, ect, much like a yogurt or actimel type thing. This could be used for the military, hiking, poor people, famines, lazy cooks ect. basically all one needs is air, water and product x. {{unsignedip|193.115.175.247}}

:Probably not, the main issue is that everyone is different and thus needs different amounts of vitamins etc to stay healthy. Then there are the problems raised from the use of [[Multivitamin]]s where a concotion/mix of vitamins can be dangerous to some groups at certain times in their lives or those with medical problems. In addition to this, there is the very real risk of a user overdosing if they take more than the required amount (usually Vitamin A, D or Iron overdoses). Finally, taking a pill or eating one item will not cause the bodies hunger pangs to cease. The human body has been conditioned for regular eating for so long that the brain will find it hard to stop the reflex, thus people who have received their daily nutrition in one hit will still crave something to eat at some further point in the day. [[User:Nanonic|Nanonic]] ([[User talk:Nanonic|talk]]) 15:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

::Milk seems to do the job for babies. [[User:Gandalf61|Gandalf61]] ([[User talk:Gandalf61|talk]]) 15:38, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

::Sure people need different amounts of things - but that just means that 'product X' needs to contain enough of everything to cover the worst-case needs of 99.99% of the population.  Some people would get more of something than they need - but that shouldn't be a problem over relatively short periods.  Military rations (such as the US "[[Meal, Ready-to-Eat|MRE]]" - Meal, Ready to Eat) seem to do this - but their problem is to avoid boredom...and I guess it's technically not just one homogeneous product - it's a bunch of different things.  But take an army ration pack and stick it into a blender - and you should come pretty close.  It's said that if you eat all of the food in every pack then you can survive for very long periods on the stuff.  [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 16:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:[[Boost (beverage)|Boost]]? Or [[Ensure]] or [[Jevity]] etc. [[User:Tomdobb|Tomdobb]] ([[User talk:Tomdobb|talk]]) 17:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::My understanding is that [[total parenteral nutrition]] can sustain a person indefinitely. --[[User:S.dedalus|S.dedalus]] ([[User talk:S.dedalus|talk]]) 18:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like you want something like "Purina People Chow" (which I do not believe to be an actual product as yet). I knew impoverished grad students who would eat Purina Monkey Chow. Or consider "jail loaf." It is served up to prisoners who violate the rules in small ways, as by flooding their cell, throwing food at guards,  or refusing to return eating utensils. It is supposed to be nutritionally equivalent to the general diet. The recipe varies from place to place, but typically ii includes "grated carrots, dehydrated mashed potatoes, canned spinach, beans, white bread, cheese food, powdered skim milk, some sort of sugar, some sort of meat and vegetable oil, blended together and baked hard." [http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2008-03-19/dining/keep-it-down/] . Another recipe includes whole wheat bread, cheese, carrots, spinach, beans, vegetable oil, potato flakes, tomato paste, skim milk and raisins. [http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/12/23/0251/5176] , [http://www.npr.org/programs/wesat/features/2002/apr/loaf/index.html]. It actually sounds pretty tasty. I think I will make some and let you know how it tastes. [[User:Edison|Edison]] ([[User talk:Edison|talk]]) 18:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:Heh, this was making me think of the "Bachelor Chow" from Futurama. ~ <font color="#228b22">[[User:Mazca|'''m'''a'''z'''c'''a''']]</font> <sup>[[User_talk:Mazca|'''t''']]|[[Special:Contributions/Mazca|'''c''']]</sup> 20:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

::What about [[Plumpy'nut]]? -- [[User:Mwalcoff|Mwalcoff]] ([[User talk:Mwalcoff|talk]]) 23:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Prostate orgasm ==

If a man has a prostate orgasm does that mean he cums without anyone touching his penis? How can I give a guy a prostate orgasm? [[Special:Contributions/66.63.184.3|66.63.184.3]] ([[User talk:66.63.184.3|talk]]) 18:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:Please see our article on [[prostate massage]]. Good luck.--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 18:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:Maybe you could ask the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prime_Minister_of_Australia&diff=next&oldid=232893738 Prime Minister of Australia].  -- [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] ([[User talk:JackofOz|talk]]) 22:24, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

::Well spotted Sherlock! :) [[User:Titch Tucker|Titch Tucker]] ([[User talk:Titch Tucker|talk]]) 22:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Elementary, my dear Titch Tucker! (or might that be more appropriately "Fundamentally, ..." in this case?)  :)  --  [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] ([[User talk:JackofOz|talk]]) 02:00, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Elementary, though he never said it in the Holmes canon anyway. '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="black">bibliomaniac</font>]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="red">1</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Bibliomaniac15|<font color="blue">5</font>]]''''' 02:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Holmes says 'elementary' all the time, actually. It's 'Elementary, my dear Watson!' that never occurs. [[User talk:Algebraist|Algebraist]] 08:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Though, as Jack said, the more appropriate word is "Fundamentally..." which is a joke that no one seems to have gotten (look at the roots of the word "fundament").  For the record Jack, I rofled.  Though only a little.  --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]].[[User talk:Jayron32|<small>talk</small>]].[[Special:Contributions/Jayron32|<small>contribs</small>]] 13:00, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I [[ROFL]]ed on the inside.  --[[User:TotoBaggins|Sean]] 13:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::If you hadn't linked that it would have sounded kind of [[smut]]ty! [[User:Titch Tucker|Titch Tucker]] ([[User talk:Titch Tucker|talk]]) 17:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::And for anyone still lost, see [[wikt:fundament]], definition number 2, which is probably the closest to the original meaning of the word.--[[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]].[[User talk:Jayron32|<small>talk</small>]].[[Special:Contributions/Jayron32|<small>contribs</small>]] 18:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Who is Toby anyway? 66? [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] ([[User talk:Nil Einne|talk]]) 12:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== Why aren't there any F6 tornadoes? ==

Is there a meteorological/atmospheric reason why? I notice the enhanced fajita scale tops out at 322/mph and the old one at 318/mph. Why these exact numbers? Is 322/mph the absolute cutoff nature will allow? How did they determine this? I hate to see people lose thier homes, but from a scientifically anamalous standpoint, a tornado in excess of 322/mph(or much greater!) would be kick ass! Seriously, who wouldn't want to see a tornado so intense that it digs into the ground deep eneough for it to throw bedrock and molten lava around!?[[User:THE WORLD&#39;S MOST CURIOUS MAN|THE WORLD&#39;S MOST CURIOUS MAN]] ([[User talk:THE WORLD&#39;S MOST CURIOUS MAN|talk]]) 21:36, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

:According to the article on [[Enhanced Fujita Scale]], the highest category EF5 is >322mph, so it doesn't top out, although the old [[Fujita Scale]] did (at least in more recent versions).  The articles make the point that the scale isn't based on exact wind-speed measurements, but on estimates based on the damage.  (I'm sure I read somewhere about practical limits on the size of hurricanes and I suspect there are limits on tornadoes, but no idea what.)

:Even if an F6 is physically possible, only one tornado in a thousand is an F5 - the chances of an F6 forming would be pretty tiny.  But I suspect there are even more significant reasons why they top out at that speed.  The air is going around in a circular motion - so there are centrifugal forces acting on the wind - those forces have to be counteracted by lower air pressure inside the tornado than outside.  For a small diameter tornado, the centrifugal forces are bigger than for a large diameter one where the air is moving at the same linear speed.  But there is a limit to how low the air pressure can be - you can't get lower pressure than a vacuum - so there is obviously a limit beyond which the tornado can't spin any faster and still stay "together".  But bigger tornadoes can have higher strength winds without blowing apart because there is less centrifugal force on the air.  That means that the fastest tornadoes also have to be big.  This means that to get up one more step on the scale doesn't just require the energy to make the air go faster - but also much more air has to be spinning.  That double-whammy means that the difference in energy between each step of the tornado is HUGE.  As rare as it is to get up enough energy to make an F5 - to reach the mythic F6 may really be beyond the energy that a tornado can muster. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 01:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

::I just wanted to note that the EF5 rating is > 322 '''km/h''' not mph.  --[[User:LarryMac|<font color="#3EA99F">LarryMac</font>]][[User talk:LarryMac|<font color="#3EA99F"><small> | Talk</small></font>]] 12:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be pretty awesome if tornadoes really were measured with a fajita scale. (Sorry!) [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] ([[User talk:Adam Bishop|talk]]) 02:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:Sort of related: [[Category_6:_Day_of_Destruction]]

=October 30=

== Paul Wellstone ==

Which of the candidates would former US Senator Paul Wellstone support in the current presidential election if he were alive today, and why? [[Special:Contributions/75.174.159.100|75.174.159.100]] ([[User talk:75.174.159.100|talk]]) 01:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:We don't really do speculative stuff here.  Our guidelines (above) say: "''The reference desk does not answer requests for opinions...''".  Sorry. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 01:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

::Ah, sorry. Allow me to rephrase the question; which one of the presidential candidates has views that line up closest with those of the late Senator Wellstone? [[Special:Contributions/75.174.159.100|75.174.159.100]] ([[User talk:75.174.159.100|talk]]) 01:57, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:::He describes himself as a "Liberal with a conscience" here[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wellstone#Policy_views] an informative section covering his activism in our article [[Paul Wellstone]]. You can make the (time consuming) comparisons unless you need further help or a political history buff comes along. :)  [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] ([[User talk:Julia Rossi|talk]]) 08:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

He was a Democrat, and according to our article, the Green Party had considerable sympathy with his views, so I'd suggest that a comparison of his views with those of [[Barack Obama]], [[Ralph Nader]] and [[Cynthia McKinney]] would be the best place to start. [[User:Warofdreams|Warofdreams]] ''[[User talk:Warofdreams|talk]]'' 10:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== sexual question ==

I was thinking of shaving my pubic hair for my boyfriend, but I wondered if anyone else could offer insight as to whether or not men enjoy seeing a girl with no pubic hair and whether I would notice any difference in sexual intercourse if I did shave my pubic hair off. Can anyone offer me some suggestions about this? [[Special:Contributions/76.243.164.199|76.243.164.199]] ([[User talk:76.243.164.199|talk]]) 01:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:Ask 4chan's /r9k/. I believe the answer is 'most people do, but some like it with hair'. I guess your boyfriend would like it, but I dunno. Not sure if this is the kind of question for RD. As I said, ask on 4chan. <font color="#800080"><i>Avnas Ishtaroth</i></font> <b><sub><font color="#B048B5">[[User_talk:Schwarzes_Nacht|drop me a line]]</font></sub></b> 04:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::Sounds like a question of personal preference, and there is no arguing with taste. See [[Landing strip]] and [[Bikini waxing]]. [[User:Edison|Edison]] ([[User talk:Edison|talk]]) 04:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's easy enough to try...it does grow back! [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 04:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::I'm reminded of an observation that [[Peter Mayle]] made in one of his books, that a man who smokes cigars should select a cigar that fits the size of his face.  Churchill would have looked ridiculous smoking a [[panatella]].  I guess that's a little oblique, but any decision like this should be made in light of your overall look/attitude.  [[User:Darkspots|Darkspots]] ([[User talk:Darkspots|talk]]) 05:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

: If I were your bf I'd say: don't do it for me. —[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 06:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
*It would of course be nice to surprise him with something he likes, but the only one who really knows is your boyfriend. Why not ask him? - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

::To answer the second part of your question, there is less chafing and rubbing this way, and one tends to not get hairs in your mouth. I like it half way between the two, shaved at the bottom and round the sided and neatly trimmed on top.

:There's no answering the first question; it just comes down to taste (ahem), though pubic hair will obviously trap some of the odours associated with any part of the body not routinely allowed to air out. Pubic hair that's shaved off will grow back. That's a good thing, in that any choice you make is quite temporary, but it's less of a nice thing when the stubble appears (complete with white heads, etc.). He may think the clean-shaven look is sexy, but how will he like the pimply "5 o'clock shadow" stage that shows up after a couple of days? [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] ([[User talk:Matt Deres|talk]]) 12:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::That assumes that the OP would shave once and then never do it again.  If the shaving is kept up with on a daily basis, then the "pimply 5 o'clock shadow stage" will never be an issue.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:37, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::In theory, but the pubic area would likely be more difficult to keep clean-shaven. I've never tried it myself (no OR!) but my face couldn't take getting shaved every day and I imagine that a woman's pubic area would be at least as sensitive as my face... though how we go about testing ''that'' would likely be a good candidate for the Journal of Irreproducible Results ;-). I have no clue whether shaving alternatives like sugaring and waxing would be recommended for a complete removal of pubic hair (I know "bikini lines" get done), though again that doesn't get done every day. [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] ([[User talk:Matt Deres|talk]]) 20:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::::OR here, but I've known several women who shaved daily.  As for a complete removal by waxing, that would be referred to as a [[Brazilian waxing]].  (Caution, the image at that article may not be work safe depending on how liberal your workplace is)  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:Personally, I like long hair on a girl. Short hair can be like sandpaper on the lips (*ahem*). If you do want to remove the hair, get waxed. It lasts far longer and you won't have the fuss of poking around with a blade in a sensitive area. -- <sub>[[User:Escape Artist Swyer|Escape Artist Swyer]]</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Escape Artist Swyer|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Escape Artist Swyer|Contributions]]</sub> 00:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== google images ==

hi,are all the images which are put on google free of copyright?can we use them as we like?

:No. Absolutely not. They are in the main copyrighted. Google uses them under a fair use doctrine. That fair use would not extend to us or, in general, to anyone's use of them. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 10:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:Agreed!  Google only acts as a search engine for images - there is most certainly no way you can use 99% of them.  For free-to-use photos - check out our very own [[WikiCommons]].  Every single photo there is OK to use (although technically - they aren't copyright-free - they are licensed in such a way that you can use them with almost no restrictions. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 00:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== What is Rose Pepper? ==

I see it listed as an ingredient in perfumes.... --[[User:Emyn ned|Emyn ned]] ([[User talk:Emyn ned|talk]]) 13:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:''[[Schinus terebinthifolius]]''.  --[[User:TotoBaggins|Sean]] 14:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== European community ==

I am trying to find a picture of a European comunity that I found on Wiki a few months back. I cannot remember which country it was in or anything like that, but heres what I can remember. It seemed like a very small town that is directly on the coast, it is very mountainous, and the community's buildings are on cliffs that fall directly into the sea. It seemed like a place for very rich people. very green place, very lush. any ideas? I have trolled through the articles on every city mentioned on all the articles on all the provinces on the coastlines of Italy and France, but to no avail Please help. Thanks

::Sounds like Positano in Italy to me.

[[Image:IMG_1004.JPG|right|thumb|[[Santorini]], Greece]]
:::Maybe Greece - there are a bazillion little islands that fit that description. Santorini is utterly amazing - I went on honeymoon there.  If you want mountainous and on the coast - that's the place.  WOW! [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 00:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Ah, so ''now'' we know what was responsible for the apocalyptic and cataclysmic eruption on Santorini.  :)  --  [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] ([[User talk:JackofOz|talk]]) 04:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== cartoons ==

why are cartoons dipicted with only four fingers on each hand? when did this start and why?
:I have no source for this but what I was told long ago was that it's simply easier to draw figures with three fingers and a thumb.  And after giving it a try, I agree.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yes - that's it exactly.  Also, you'll see that in early cartoons, the characters often wear white gloves - and that's because the animators wore white gloves to avoid smudging the images with their hands - when they needed to draw a character's hand in a particular pose - they'd look at their own hands...and (for some bizarre reason) they'd draw the same white gloves on most of their creations! [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 00:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::The article [[Mickey Mouse]] explains Mickey's first gloved appearance in 1929[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Mouse#First_gloved_appearance]] to distinguish the character's hands from his body and were designed with three darts in the fashion of kid [[gloves]] at the time.  [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] ([[User talk:Julia Rossi|talk]]) 00:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::The three 'darts' (and sometimes two black buttons) were common on animator gloves at the time. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 16:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:: Especially bizarre when Bugs uses a nail-file on his gloved hand (as in one toon with Yosemite Sam as a Confederate irredentist). —[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 00:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:Interestingly enough, God is always depicted on The Simpsons as having four fingers and a thumnb. - [[User:Akamad|Akamad]] ([[User talk:Akamad|talk]]) 02:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

::Not always. In [[Homer the Heretic]], he is depicted ''both ways''. [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] ([[User talk:Matt Deres|talk]]) 14:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Bugs has a nail-file!? Now ''that's'' bizarre. [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] ([[User talk:Julia Rossi|talk]]) 05:02, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Sat Nav Ambulance Misdirection. ==

This morning I had to call for an ambulance (Scotland UK) for my mother-in-law who is 84 and who was suffering chest pains - I DO NOT WANT MEDICAL ADVICE. Two ambulances were dispatched, the first with a solo paramedic, the second a full blown emergency vehicle. Both were quite delayed by their SatNav systems which directed them to a country lane at the rear of my back-garden that passes my house but which has no access to the street I live on. In fact, the lane eventually meets up with a cross-Scotland canal and low vehicles pass beneath the canal through a low tunnel. The ambulances however were too high and had no option other than to reverse about 2 miles as the lane has no passing places or turning places. I don't know who supplies the ambulance service with their SatNav systems but clearly, someone should be told of the potential for a serious emergency not being attended on time (police, fire, ambulance etc.). But who should I tell? Neighbours have told me of similar situations wherein parcels and other delivery vehicles have been mis-directed so it is not just an ambulance problem. Any advice greatly appreciated - and Thanks. Friend92. [[Special:Contributions/92.22.195.63|92.22.195.63]] ([[User talk:92.22.195.63|talk]]) 17:27, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:I imagine the best way to get the maps fixed would be to contact the main manufacturers of SatNav systems, e.g. [http://www.tomtom.com/about/about.php?ID=5&Language=1 TomTom] or [http://www8.garmin.com/contactUs/ Garmin]. It may be also be advisable to contact your local emergency services so that at least they know that SatNav maps in your area are unreliable. -- [[User:Arwel Parry|Arwel Parry]] <sub>[[User_talk:Arwel Parry|(talk)]]</sub> 17:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::And you could raise it with [http://www.scottishambulance.com/ Scottish Ambulance Trust] since it must be of material importance to them, and they might have slightly better contacts with their GIS supplier. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 17:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Along with your neighbours, try asking your parish council to erect a "Do not follow Sat Nav" sign or something similar. The problem is not unusual, and several communities have had to do this, as you will see if you Google the phrase.--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 18:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Actually, the problem is probably not a SatNav (aka GPS) problem, really.  The road is really there, and compact cars can fit down the tunnel.  Its the low clearence of the tunnel that was the problem.  Rather than erect a "Down with SatNav! They Suck" sign, you could get your community to erect a "Tunnel Ahead, and its only 2 meters tall!" sign at the head of that road.  While SatNav systems are not perfect, they are certainly better than no system at all!  Imagine what ambulance drivers used to do when they depended on print maps (which were likely MORE inaccurate and out of date) or had to rely on memory of the local road system.  Its not that SatNav is perfect, or even meant to be, but these errors in judgement aren't the fault of the system.  If the system wasn't being used at all, the ambulance drivers would have likely made the same mistake.  --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]].[[User talk:Jayron32|<small>talk</small>]].[[Special:Contributions/Jayron32|<small>contribs</small>]] 18:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::I found a street which is incorrectly mapped in my town, and had no success gettin gthe online map companies to correct their maps. The error would lead to emergency vehicles or anyone else being directed to the wrong street. There does not seem to be any accountability for landbase GIS companies who put errors in their maps, which are then used by all the mapping services. No contact person, and no willingness to correct errors. You can sens an email to MapQuest or Google Maps, but they rely on computerized maps created by others. [[User:Edison|Edison]] ([[User talk:Edison|talk]]) 19:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Ordnance Survey have always included deliberate errors in their maps so that they can prove other parties have breached their copyright. [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster ]] [[User_talk:Kittybrewster|<font color="0000FF">&#9742;</font>]] 20:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::And we have an article; [[Trap street]].  The references suggest that the OS ''doesn't'' do this, although other publishers do. [[User:FiggyBee|FiggyBee]] ([[User talk:FiggyBee|talk]]) 21:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Regardless of the height of the tunnel, that road didn't lead to the OP's house. That is a problem. I could give you many other examples of Sat Nav causing chaos on UK roads: sending cars through fords, lorries down country lanes and light vehicles over farm tracks.  Of course, Sat Nav systems are based on printed maps, so it's not that they're exclusively wrong: I think people just blindly follow instructions rather than making critical judgement on the colour and wiggliness of the roads on a printed map.  In the case of ambulance drivers, they shouldn't be relying on maps.  There's no reason why they can't learn their patch.  London cabbies have to sit tests, as do other corporate taxi/cab companies around the world.  If I can expect my cab driver to know every back street, traffic island and alleyway, then it's surely not too much to expect an ambulance driver to know such things as well?  [[User:Gwinva|Gwinva]] ([[User talk:Gwinva|talk]]) 22:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:And in my area they certainly have the time! -[[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 23:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

::Thanks to all above - but especially Gwinva who plainly understood the problem as I described it. I have contacted the ambulance service and they are to address the problem - I have contacted the other emergency services who DO NOT rely on SatNavs instead using a central despatcher who uses radio contact to direct traffic from online mapping systems - I have contacted my local council who immediately sent an officer to drive along the access roads and surrounding area and he agrees the seriousness of the situation and has undertaken to improve signage. But I am worried that other respondents above have failed in their attempts to have SatNav companies address reported problems. So thanks again to all. But I can't help wondering if - God Forbid, my mother-in-law had died as a result of the ambulances being misdirected, would I be suing either the ambulance service or their SatNav providers? No legal advice required. But thanks again. Friend92 [[Special:Contributions/92.23.17.196|92.23.17.196]] ([[User talk:92.23.17.196|talk]]) 11:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Seeking a recipient of a high decoration of the United States military who was an African American ==

I'm looking for a [[African American soldier]] who was awarded a high decoration of the United States military '''without citation'''. That was a long time ago... What's the name of that soldier? --[[Special:Contributions/77.4.61.143|77.4.61.143]] ([[User talk:77.4.61.143|talk]]) 18:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== Where is this? ==

[[Image:PIC 0019.JPG|thumb|right]]
This image was uploaded to Commons about 2yrs ago but lacks any information about where it is. Since someone wants to delete it as a useless image, I figured I'd see if anyone knew where it was first. So... anyone got an idea? -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 19:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:No idea.  But I'd hesitate to use it unless the time stamp were cropped out of it.  With the time stamp, it looks unprofessional.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::True, but I figure that unless we know where it is, the timestamp is the least of the worries regarding usability. -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 20:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::The odds of figuring it out are very slim indeed - and the picture isn't used in any articles - so what's the great loss?  An uncategorized, unidentified image is useless to use - so I agree that it should be deleted.  (The date-stamp thing could easily be fixed if we wanted to...but why bother?).  If it actually mattered - I think I'd start by figuring out what species of tree is in the foreground - that seems an unusual foliage pattern - so it might narrow things down to a reasonably small area.  Then, we can see that the lake in the background has a dead-straight line to it in the top-center of the image - which suggests it's a man-made lake such as a reservoir.  That puts it someplace with sufficient technology to do that - and a need to store drinking water for some reason or other.  Perhaps you could look at maps of the areas where that tree is native - and try to find a lake that would be a match for the shape of the shore that we can see.  There appears to be some kind of a walled area - maybe a ruin just behind the big tree - that would be confirmation.  Typically - you can just look to see who uploaded the picture - and go to their talk: page and ask them - but the 'claimed' uploader "Alexander86"  only made a single contribution - which was this very image...so after two years, the odds are not good that this account is still being used.  Ordinarily - this would be an interesting challenge - but to be honest, it would be quicker to drive to the lake near where I live and take a replacement photo that we could identify!  Meh - delete the darned thing. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 23:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Save the picture ! Q: If deleted is it gone for good from the wikiservers ? If it is - don't delete ! [[User:Boomshanka|Boomshanka]] ([[User talk:Boomshanka|talk]]) 04:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Yes - if deleted, it would be gone forever (unless the OP reloaded it) - but why worry?  It's of no conceivable use to anyone.  It doesn't have useful keywords and it's not used anywhere - why would anyone ever want it (or even find it) in the future?  We're better off deleting those things to make the indexability of the WikiCommons servers improve gradually over time. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 16:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::I know it would never happen, but if a checkuser would find the uploader's country of origin that would ''really'' narrow things down. Short of that, I agree that the foliage is a good place to start. If you look at the higher part of the "lake" you can see two shape sticking oddly out of the water - possibly submerged trees from when the lake was created. [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 15:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm - trees sticking out of the water - good catch!  That just reinforces the theory that it's an artificial lake.  But it may not tell you much about when the lake was created.  The lake near where I used to live has been there for over 20 years now - and there are STILL a lot of tree limbs sticking up out of the water - trees can evidently stay standing (although dead) for decades underwater.  [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 16:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::But those trees don't look dead. . . I would guess [[mangrove]] trees. --[[User:S.dedalus|S.dedalus]] ([[User talk:S.dedalus|talk]]) 23:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== linguinine ==

what is the actual meaning of this word
:Well, ''linguine'' means "little tongues".  ''Linguinine'' seems to be a double diminuitive, and I don't ever recall hearing it, but I suppose they'd be tongues even smaller than ''linguine''. --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 19:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::"-ine" as an ending usually means "like", so if something is ''linguinine'', it could be akin to linguine in some respect. [[User:Fribbler|Fribbler]] ([[User talk:Fribbler|talk]]) 18:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== The World's Dozen or So Great Cuisines  ==

"TO OUTSIDERS, Latin American food may conjure up not much more than the smell of Mexican tacos. But Peru can lay claim to one of the world's dozen or so great cuisines."  -- The Economist

Assuming the oracle (The Economist) is correct.  What would these great 12 probably be?

[[User:Hotcheetos|Hotcheetos]] ([[User talk:Hotcheetos|talk]]) 21:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:I'm not an ''haute-cuisine'' afficionado, but I can without a doubt claim that French would be one of them.  I have a guess that the magazine was intentionally being vague and not listing the others.  Personally, I would throw Thai, Italian, Japanese, and Mexican food into the mix.  [[User:Jade Knight|The Jade Knight]] ([[User talk:Jade Knight|talk]]) 21:41, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::German?  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Too meat-based and heavy for my taste (like most cuisines from cold countries), but ''de gustibus''.... --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 21:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:Indian, definitely.  --  [[User:JackofOz|JackofOz]] ([[User talk:JackofOz|talk]]) 21:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:My picks (in no particular order): Cantonese, Szechuan, Spanish, French, Italian, Japanese, Thai, Indian, Mexican, German, Basque, Arab. —[[User:D Monack|D. Monack]] [[User talk:D Monack|<sup>''talk''</sup>]] 23:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:"...the world's dozen ''or so'' great cuisines". Hmm, how about the top twenty ''or so''?  -[[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 23:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:: For brevity's sake, how about the top one ''or so''? —[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 00:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:::[[Haggis]], [[neeps]] and [[tatties]], ye cannae beat it! [[User:Titch Tucker|Titch Tucker]] ([[User talk:Titch Tucker|talk]]) 01:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

::::Tatties come from Peru! [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 05:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Sure, you must have heard of the great Scottish/Swedish/Peruvian dish. [[User:Titch Tucker|Titch Tucker]] ([[User talk:Titch Tucker|talk]]) 09:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

To get back to the original question, Turkish cuisine would definitely be in the top 12, but there is no such thing as "Arab cuisine"; both Moroccan and Lebanese cuisines would be candidates however, and are very different from one another. I have doubts about German and Basque cuisines qualifying; Russian cuisine might, although a lot of culinary knowledge was lost because of communism. --[[User:Xuxl|Xuxl]] ([[User talk:Xuxl|talk]]) 13:38, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:Then there's [[Hungarian cuisine]]!  [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] ([[User talk:Julia Rossi|talk]]) 06:07, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Nescessity of putting quotes ==

What is the necessity of putting quotes while finding something in the google and when is it that we should put the search with the quotes?  [[Special:Contributions/220.227.88.91|220.227.88.91]] ([[User talk:220.227.88.91|talk]]) 21:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:The quotes make it search for the string of whatever's in the quotes, otherwise it just searches for the words individually. -''[[User:Mattbuck|mattbuck]]'' <small>([[User talk:Mattbuck|Talk]])</small> 22:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

::To reinforce what Mattbuck wrote, the quotes make it search for ''exactly'' for whatever's in in the quotes (without case sensitivity) so an extra or missing word might overlook something. -[[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 23:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:::If you'we worried about that, you can use * inside the quotes to represent "a small number of other words".  So for example if you search for "big * man" (with the quotes) you will get hits like "big boss man", "big burly man", "big strong man", "big cat injures man", etc.; if you want "big man" as well, you would have to specify that separately ("big * man" OR "big man"). --Anonymous, 23:36 UTC, October 30, 2008.

: Most of the time, you get the best results without using quotes - but there are some searches where the number of false hits with (for example) the words in a different order to what you asked for overwhelm you so badly that you can't find what you want.  In those cases, putting the words in quotes to force Google to find that EXACT thing can help.  But most of the time, you can leave them out. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 23:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

: Instead of quotes you can also replace the spaces with dots or hyphens.  With hyphens, ''rail-road'' will match ''railroad'' and ''rail road'' – an advantage if you're uncertain. —[[User:Tamfang|Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 00:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

::Using quotes is handy when you're trying to find the title/artist of a song if you have a snippet of the lyrics.  With the lyrics in quotes, you ''should'' get pretty good results on the first page.  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 02:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== IP address ==

I have this [[Special:Contributions/92.2.210.94|92.2.210.94]] IP address, can you tell me where it's from? Thanks[[Special:Contributions/92.2.210.94|92.2.210.94]] ([[User talk:92.2.210.94|talk]]) 23:33, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:Carphone Warehouse Broadband Service. [http://samspade.org/whois/92.2.210.94] --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 23:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:Sure, the [http://samspade.org/whois/92.2.210.94 United Kingdom ]. -[[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 23:42, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

That's wierd. I'm with AOL and according to your link the country for my IP address is the UK, but when I try to use BBC iPlayer it says my address is foreign![[Special:Contributions/92.2.210.94|92.2.210.94]] ([[User talk:92.2.210.94|talk]]) 23:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:Carphone warehouse bought AOL UK in 2006 [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6039740.stm]. Can't explain the beeb - does it affect what you can do with the iPlayer? If so contact them & find out why you;re being denied access. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 23:47, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

::And [http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/download_programmes/told_not_in_uk this beeb page] is probably worth a visit - they're suggesting you'll need to talk to your ISP. That'll be fun for you. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 23:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Ah. Possibly better news. [http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/getting_started/aol_out_uk This beeb page] recommends you use something other than the AOL-version of Internet Explorer, such as the version of Internent Explorer that comes with Windows, or [[Mozilla Firefox|Firefox]]. Firefox is available [http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/ here].

I've been living without iPlayer for over a month now. Thanks to you guys ''''THE PROBLEM IS FIXED.''' Thanks.[[Special:Contributions/92.2.210.94|92.2.210.94]] ([[User talk:92.2.210.94|talk]]) 00:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:Well that rocks. Well done! --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 00:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

::What fascinates me Tagishsimon is just how you can determine an address from an IP number.  I'd love to know please.--[[Special:Contributions/89.168.224.110|89.168.224.110]] ([[User talk:89.168.224.110|talk]]) 08:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:::[[Whois]] and [[Reverse DNS]] are your friends here. [[User:Theresa knott|Theresa Knott]] | [[User talk:Theresa knott|token threats]] 09:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:::So for example, [http://samspade.org/whois/89.168.224.110 this] would be you (89.168.224.110 from Tiscali UK  :)  -[[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 14:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Those services are decreasingly useful though - more and more people with static IP's lie to the DNS providers - others are shared (via DHCP) over such a wide geographical area as to be almost useless for telling you very much of use.  However, sometimes you find something useful. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 16:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Sour Jelly ==

I have an old receipe that requires 2 cups of sour jelly.  I haven't found any information on how to make or come up with sour jelly.  Just what is sour jelly.  Thank you. 

:What kind of recipe do you have? Googling sour jelly[http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Sour+jelly&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a] comes up with sour jelly beans, but mostly a "whiskey and sour" jelly, especially a green whiskey and sour jelly for St Patrick's Day.  [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] ([[User talk:Julia Rossi|talk]]) 00:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

::I doubt it means jelly ''beans''.  It's probably jelly in the sense of the stuff you spread on toast (distinguished from jam by the absence of fruit pulp, seeds, skins, etc). --[[User:Trovatore|Trovatore]] ([[User talk:Trovatore|talk]]) 01:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I take it the "sour jelly beans" is just a novelty flavoured sweet, but the stuff on toast sounds sweet rather than sour. Is it tart as well as fibre free? (It really would help to know what the recipe is for.) [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] ([[User talk:Julia Rossi|talk]]) 01:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Ordinarily sweet, but you could certainly make it sour if you wanted to.  Just leave out the sugar.  (By the way, it's not really fiber-free -- the jelling effect comes from [[pectin]], which is a so-called [[soluble fiber]].)
:::::Sour Jelly could be something like [[lemon curd]].  --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]].[[User talk:Jayron32|<small>talk</small>]].[[Special:Contributions/Jayron32|<small>contribs</small>]] 03:02, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:[http://books.google.co.uk/books?q=sour+jelly&btnG=Search+Books Google books] leads me to think it might be [[Aspic]]. Other [http://books.google.co.uk/books?q=%22sour+jelly%22&btnG=Search+Books google books] lead me to think it might be jelly made from sour grapes. White grape juice seems to be a substitute in some cases. (And we'll just ignore the man who somehow contrives to make sour jelly out of milk.) It might be useful to know something more about the recipe. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 03:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:"Sour" is a kinda multi-purpose word - so it's hard to know exactly what it meant.  I wonder whether it's intended to mean "vinegary" - in the way that Chinese-style "Hot and Sour Soup" is sour. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 16:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

=October 31=
== Is it dangerous to drive around without a gas cap? ==

My friend says it will splash out when I hit bumps and possibly start a big ol fire. But 1.Its only temporary til I buy a new one, and 2.I dont fill the tank up all the way, so I say it's safe. Am I right?[[User:Sunburned Baby|Sunburned Baby]] ([[User talk:Sunburned Baby|talk]]) 02:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:You are probably fine.  The real reason for the gas cap is that gas is [[volatile]], and so evaporates really quickly.  The gas cap seals the system, and prevents excess evaporation from your gas tank.  You have at least 3 safeguards beyond the gas cap, however, that will prevent much evaporation or splashing.  1) Most cars, at least those I have seen for the past 20 years or so, have a little spring-loaded flap that covers the opening under the gas cap.  This spring-loaded flap will keep the opening closed adequately enough until you have a chance to run to Pep Boys.  2) Most cars have a door over the gas cap, so this door will also stop problems.  3) The tube connecting this opening to the actual case tank is fairly narrow, which will reduce evaporation and splashing problems.  It should be noted that none of these three items is airtight, which the gas cap is, so you SHOULD run out to Pep Boys (or Autozone, or whatever your local Autopartsmegastore is) and pick up a new one soon, but you can safely drive the car without a gas cap, at least to get you to the Pep Boys from home.  --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]].[[User talk:Jayron32|<small>talk</small>]].[[Special:Contributions/Jayron32|<small>contribs</small>]] 03:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

::(EC) You increase the risk of a number of hazards, from spillage through to combustion, and so you are very definitely less safe. There is more than ample energy in a half tank of petrol being propelled along the road, to eject petrol from the filler. (And the car is probably not road-legal.) Whether the extent to which the risk is increased is of material concern to you is a subjective judgment. But I've always understood risk assessment to be composed of two factors: probability of risk; and consequences should the risk transpire. Since a remote consequence of splashed petrol is a potentially fatal fire, I'm uncertain what's stopping you from getting a replacement cap the next time you drive the car. (My cars have tended not to have spring loaded traps. They might be somewhat country specific.) --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 03:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:::I am sure that in the UK this is illegal!--[[Special:Contributions/89.168.224.110|89.168.224.110]] ([[User talk:89.168.224.110|talk]]) 08:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:::: I once managed to get an airtight gas cap, (I do not believe they are meant to be air tight - just a small controlled vent), and the power of the fuel pump was sufficient to reduce the pressure in the tank such that the tank collapsed on itself. This was only discovered when I tried to fill up and no fuel would go in. -- [[User:SGBailey|SGBailey]] ([[User talk:SGBailey|talk]]) 10:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I did that once too.  At the car parts store where I bought it, they had two kinds of gas caps - one vented, the other not - one in black plastic, the other in red.  I didn't realise this and I asked the guy at the checkout whether it mattered which one I bought.  He said "If it fit's - it's OK" (which turns out to be VERY UNTRUE!) - so I picked the red one because it matched the color of the car.  Then I started running out of fuel when the gas gauge showed "Full" and just 50 miles after I'd filled up!   When I finally figured out what the problem was, I was able to sue the company that sold the gas cap to me and got the repairs and the cost of a rental car plus some remuneration for lost time at work and inconvenience. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 16:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::You may get a check engine light, as the tank is part of the EGR system. If there is a door, you are probably OK, but if it is visible, you my be subject to vandalism as idiots stuff trash in the filler tube. Go spend >$10 on a new cap. --—<i><b>—&nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850&nbsp;(Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue">&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup></font></b> - </i> 11:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::::You certainly should get a check-engine light if your car is less than 10 years old in the USA because the laws in California and Texas (and elsewhere, presumably) REQUIRE that there is an indication of loss of negative pressurization in the gas tank.   Probably that means the same is true in the UK...but I don't know for sure.

:Can I suggest that even if a little gas did splash (which I, like Jayron, find improbable), it's not going to just "start fires". Gasoline is flammable but it's not, in small amounts, explosive or anything like that. There are plenty more flammable things lying around in the world generally not catching fire at any given time. The movies overemphasize the flammability of gasoline—it can't be ignited by a smoldering cigarette, for example. --[[Special:Contributions/98.217.8.46|98.217.8.46]] ([[User talk:98.217.8.46|talk]]) 13:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::Really? I've never directly tried to light gasoline with a cigarette, but it surprises me. ~ <font color="#228b22">[[User:Mazca|'''m'''a'''z'''c'''a''']]</font> <sup>[[User_talk:Mazca|'''t''']]|[[Special:Contributions/Mazca|'''c''']]</sup> 13:39, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::That is incorrect.  Gasoline is very flammable and is quite capable of catching fire from a smoldering cigarette. Our anon friend may be thinking of diesel fuel, which is much more resistant to catching fire. I'm frankly tempted to strike out that comment as dangerously incorrect. [[User:Matt Deres|Matt Deres]] ([[User talk:Matt Deres|talk]]) 14:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:::[http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/feb/27/smoking.film Reference]. My understanding, based on a number of such articles, is that the idea of gasoline bursting into flames around cigarettes is an urban myth. I'm pretty sure they did a mythbusters episode on this as well. --[[Special:Contributions/98.217.8.46|98.217.8.46]] ([[User talk:98.217.8.46|talk]]) 15:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::My understanding is that liquid petrol doesn't do much, it's the gas you need to worry about. In an enclosed space (say a half-full petrol tank), that gas can be quite explosive. In the open, it's pretty harmless in small quantities. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 15:56, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::That's my understanding as well. Yes, liquid petrol can burn if exposed to an open flame (not necessarily something just smoldering). But if you have open flames around you've already got a fire hazard regardless of whether there is a small splash of petrol. (There are plenty of things around that can catch from an open flame—dried grass/leaves, oil runoff, etc.) Gasoline gets really dangerous if you have it in a contained area where it can quickly evaporate—like a basement full of poorly sealed containers. Again, I don't see the "splash factor" as a serious hazard—even if it did splash a little here and there, it wouldn't seriously be increasing the flammability of the road area. It would be a million-to-one sort of event where your splash of petrol landed on an open flame which then caught onto something larger etc. etc. And again, like Jayron says, it's not like it's going to be necessarily just splashing around assuming it is a modern tank. Personally I would be more dubious about ad hoc temporary caps than capless—one can imagine making a temporary cap that causes damage, induces sparks, gets crap in the tank, whatever, that would be a lot more dangerous than just not having one for a short period of time. This is not to imply you shouldn't go get a new one fairly soon. But I don't think driving around with one off has any realistic chance of starting fires. --[[Special:Contributions/98.217.8.46|98.217.8.46]] ([[User talk:98.217.8.46|talk]]) 16:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:You can probably make a temporary cap from cling film and an elastic band. It wouldn't be ideal, but it would be better than nothing while you're driving to wherever you intend to buy a new one. (As someone said above, you probably don't want it completely airtight, but I doubt that's an issue with cling film - the film will break before the tank will.) --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 15:56, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yes - but the tank is under negative pressure - you might just suck the cling film into the tank and that would be "A Very Bad Thing".   Really - our OP should not drive the car until a new gas cap can be obtained.  They aren't expensive and every car part store and most garages have them in stock.  There really is no excuse for the danger, the pollution and the risk of damage to the car.  Gasoline can easily damage the paintwork if it splashes - it's ''obviously'' dangerous and all of those vapours going into the atmosphere is an ecological nightmare.  You absolutely shouldn't do this.  [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 16:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I was thinking if it's securely attached with an elastic band the cling film would probably break before it got sucked in - you would be better off making a small hole it in to start with (that also makes a weak point so it will break cleanly if the hole isn't big enough). There is one good excuse for driving without a fuel cap - you're on your way to somewhere that sells them. It make not be practical to get one without driving to such a place. Actually, on second thoughts, a piece of cloth (an old sock, maybe) would probably be better than cling film - it allows air in, but should stop large amounts of fuel or fuel vapour getting out. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 16:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::You have considered that clingfilm & rubberbands are more than likely to be soluble in petrol? You're in chocolate fireguard territory, my friend. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 18:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::The rubber band won't be in contact with petrol and the cling film would generally only be in contact with petrol vapour and the occasional splash of petrol. Nevertheless, cloth would be better for that reason, too. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 19:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I find it amusing that we so carefully avoid giving medical advice, yet we have exchanges like this one without apparent concern about liability. --[[User:Scray|Scray]] ([[User talk:Scray|talk]]) 02:13, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

:That's because there are no laws (in any jurisdiction that I'm aware of) where it is illegal to practice car mechanics without a license.  However, practicing medicine or law without a license is illegal nearly everwhere.  [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 03:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Looking for poem or story ==

That begins with "It was a dark and stormy night"  grandfather used to say this to his young grandson - who cannot remember any more than the opening lines, hopefully someone knows the answer thank you

:We've got an article [[It was a dark and stormy night]] that says it was "originally penned by Victorian novelist [[Edward Bulwer-Lytton]], 1st Baron Lytton as the beginning of his 1830 novel ''[[Paul Clifford]]''. And it grew legs from there... [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] ([[User talk:Julia Rossi|talk]]) 04:56, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== What country? ==

has the most llamas do you think? llamas like warm climate or cold also? thanks. btw this is not a joke question i really want to find out. --[[User:WarmVelvet|WarmVelvet]] ([[User talk:WarmVelvet|talk]]) 05:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:Have you tried our [[Llama]] article? There are llamas in Australia and we seem to be closish in latitude with parts of South America like the [[Andes]].  [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] ([[User talk:Julia Rossi|talk]]) 05:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Researching Wikipedia as a place for my new website ==

Hello,

My name is Kevin Armstrong.  I have recently created a free online search engine with a focus on "Restaurant Menus" 

My search engine is a free service to restaurants and has a vision of transcribing "all" restaurant menus into data stores.  

Question:  Can you please help me determine if my Rmenuz "idea" has a place in Wikipdeia?

I would appreciate any help/information that you can offer.

Regards,

Kevin Armstrong
<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Rmenuz|Rmenuz]] ([[User talk:Rmenuz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Rmenuz|contribs]]) 06:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:No, this really isn't what we do.  Your website link doesn't open in my browser, but this information is [[WP:NOT|not encyclopedic]] in my opinion, and I imagine a consensus of other Wikipedia contributors will agree with me.  The internet's a big place; good luck with your commercial site. [[User:Darkspots|Darkspots]] ([[User talk:Darkspots|talk]]) 07:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
*See [[List of wikis]] or [[Wikipedia:Alternative outlets]] for places that might accept your entry. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:51, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:Yep - I agree.  This kind of thing is too ephemeral to be of interest here...and it borders on commercial advertising - which we strongly disparage. [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 16:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

::I've removed the repeated URL plugs for the website from the OPs posting, since they were setting off my SPAM detector. The description of the service is quite enough. --[[User:Tagishsimon|Tagishsimon]] [[User_talk:Tagishsimon|(talk)]] 18:19, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Race and public schools in [[Charleston]] ==

[http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/31/america/31charleston.php]

"The public schools here are 98 percent African-American"

Considering it's a majority white school.  How is this possible?  Are vouchers given?  Aren't some families unable to afford private schools? (so how can it be less than 2% white?)

[[User:Lotsofissues|Lotsofissues]] ([[User talk:Lotsofissues|talk]]) 08:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:The title of the article also says "North Carolina school..." and the article itself is discussing a school in Charleston, South Carolina.  I would say that the fact checking and editorial process is already in poor repute based on that solely.  Accodirng to [http://ed.sc.gov/topics/researchandstats/schoolreportcard/2007/District/D1001999.pdf this report] on a certain series end-of-grade tests given to high school students in the Charleston County School District, there were 1,399 African-American students out of a total of 2,513 that took this particular set of tests; that's only slightly more than 50% African American for the entire county school district.  Even given that inner-city schools in the district are likely to have more African American students than this number, it won't be 98%.  The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled over and over that schools systems cannot maintain a state of racial segregation, and must actively redistribute school populations so as to assure that no one school is that out of whack with the district average.  Either the Charleston County school district is out-of compliance with this, or as I suspect (given that the first glaring error in the article is in THE TITLE of the article) that our journalist's fact checking is slightly out of whack... --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]].[[User talk:Jayron32|<small>talk</small>]].[[Special:Contributions/Jayron32|<small>contribs</small>]] 12:23, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::The story is based on a [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/education/31charleston.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&ref=us&pagewanted=all New York Times Article], and according to my friend from Charleston, they are talking about a district that is 100% black.--[[User:Droptone|droptone]] ([[User talk:Droptone|talk]]) 16:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:(The following is very much "IMHO".)

:Firstly - I'd bet good money that this is NOTHING to do with race.  In almost every case where racism is suspected by virtue of some skewed statistic, you should apply the following algorithm:

:# Replace every occurrence of the phrase "African-American" or "Black" with the word "poor" throughout the article in question.
:# Re-examine the facts and see if they are still true (99% of the time, they will be).
:# If so, then stop worrying about racism in this context.  Worry instead about why there is a bias against poor people.  This is generally VERY easy to understand.
:# Find out why disporportionately many poor people are black and vice-versa.

:The last step should probably be the first since the results of the previous steps are always the same - and all of the mystery in the original question vanishes in the face of this analysis.  Sadly, I suspect the answer is largely historical.  Poor people had poor parents and that means that the statistical warp that happened when racism WAS very prevalent is still having an effect even though it's largely not prevalent anymore.

:In this case - the public schools are mostly inhabited by poor people and richer kids go to private schools (well, DUH!).  Since there is a correlation between wealth and educational success (eg because the wealthy families have better nutrition and have lots of books and educational toys available) - the consequences are inevitable and in no way surprising.

: So fixing the schools isn't going to eliminate the racial bias - because it's NOT a racial bias.

: [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 16:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::In this that that is quite true: "Serving a student population of 99.6 percent poverty in 2007, Sanders-Clyde Elementary" [http://www.sc.gov/NewsCenter/EOC/pressreleaseGAP4-11-08.htm]. [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] ([[User talk:Rmhermen|talk]]) 17:07, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Haunted ==

I have seen some whows on TV about ghosthunting, now I dont watch this kind of trash as it is very obviously faked, or nothing happens atall. My question is then firstly, if they really want to find ghosts why not go to a place that is more likely than any other to be haunted, such as Auschwitz. Secondly, is Auschwitz haunted? Happy Helloween  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/193.115.175.247|193.115.175.247]] ([[User talk:193.115.175.247|talk]]) 12:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Given that there is no evidence that ghosts exist...nowhere is haunted. They go to places that have 'history' (old homes, castles, settings of famous battles etc. If you were to believe in ghosts they appear to be going to the 'correct' places, plus I doubt it is cheap to get to Auschtwitz and film, and these shows definitely don't look like they have a big budget. The main stumbling block they have isn't location - it's content. 100% pure gibberish. [[Special:Contributions/194.221.133.226|194.221.133.226]] ([[User talk:194.221.133.226|talk]]) 12:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::Agree with the above. Plus, whoever owns Auschwitz probably wouldn't be too happy to have the place taken over by screaming idiots and camera crews. -- <sub>[[User:Escape Artist Swyer|Escape Artist Swyer]]</sub> <sup>[[User talk:Escape Artist Swyer|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Escape Artist Swyer|Contributions]]</sub> 12:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:The reason they don’t go to Auschwitz is that if they did the families of people who died there would sue them out of business. Using that kind of a place for cheap entertainment would be disrespectful to say the least. The places these shows frequent is usually some kind of bland semi-anonymous historical place. As mentioned above, old houses (the owners of which are interested in making some quick money), old battlegrounds (where innumerable people died long ago), castles (where the “ghosts” are presumably hundreds of years old with no living relatives), that sort of thing. --[[User:S.dedalus|S.dedalus]] ([[User talk:S.dedalus|talk]]) 23:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::In the late 1970s I think, a nearby Catholic church wanted to put a large cross on the grounds of Auschwitz as a memorial to the Catholic Poles who died there. It generated so much controversy that the cross was removed and taken to the outskirts of the property; even that generated a lot of controversy. The Jewish survivors and their descendants protested the larger presence of Christianity at a place that was overwhelmingly oppressive to Jews. One of the definitions of "haunt" is ''to recur persistently to the consciousness of; remain with''. As long as there remains a human memory and a record of what happened at Auschwitz it will remain haunted. That is so blatantly obvious that television shows and psychics would be cheap gags. --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3|talk]]) 23:46, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


and part two?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/193.115.175.247|193.115.175.247]] ([[User talk:193.115.175.247|talk]]) 13:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I think the comment "nowhere is haunted" should cover part two.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/91.111.82.226|91.111.82.226]] ([[User talk:91.111.82.226|talk]]) 14:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::It's not haunted, because there is no place that is truly haunted.  But if you search Google, you'll find that it's widely 'considered' to be haunted, which I'm assuming is what the OP was asking. [[User:Sarcasticninja|Sarcasticninja]] ([[User talk:Sarcasticninja|talk]]) 17:06, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:::The only reason why there's no evidence is because most paranormal subjects are currently unproveable by the scientific method. ~<font color="blue">[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|A]][[User:AstroHurricane001|H]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|1]]</font><sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 21:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:::: If there is no evidence - how could you possibly know that?  What possible phenomena could there be that proponents of the "ghost hypothesis" could detect that science could not detect?  [[Occam's razor]] says that in the absence of evidence - we should go with the simplest explanation.  Ghosts (as commonly described and "explained") would require almost every single law of science to be overturned.  Matter, mass, energy, life-processes, DNA, transmission of electromagnetic waves, computation, thought, human vision, acoustics, thermal properties of matter, thermodynamics...not one of those things can be "correct" if ghosts exist.

:::: It's possible we got one or two SMALL things wrong in our scientific laws.  If sciences like physics and chemistry were like "economics" or "sociology" and didn't work well on a routine basis - then a total breakdown of all of our theories could reasonable be held to be remotely possible.  But we routinely apply science as if we were 100% certain about it - day in and day out - we put our lives in the hands of Galilleo, Newton, Hooke, Einstein, Feynman and Hawkins.  Somehow life works exactly as expected.  So our scientific laws COULD be wrong - but not in any horribly serious way.  If there is an error in (say) the propagation of light to allow spontaneously glowing "spirits" - then it's not a small mistake!  If the idea that "thought" is carried by chemical propagation between neurons is wrong - and disembodied "thought" is possible without all that 'stuff' - then chemistry and biology is WAY off the mark!  But they clearly aren't 100% wrong because they allow us to design drugs to combat depression or to help you give up smoking.  So the idea that this much science is completely wrong is really a non-starter.

:::: The alternative explanation (ghosts don't exist and some people are either mistaken or downright lying to us) is VASTLY simpler - pretty darned plausible actually because people pull that kind of shit all the time.

:::: Hence Occam's razor says "No ghosts" (and "UFO's don't exist" and "religion is untrue" and "NASA really did go to the moon" and "creationism is not possible" and "homeopathy is a scam" and "you can't power a car on water") - and as usual, it's ''probably'' right.

:::: Ghost hunters and proponents of this crazy theory go to a lot of trouble to make sure that the existence of ghosts is an '[[unfalsifiable]]' hypothesis - which is definitely a "red flag" for any theory.

:::: [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 00:41, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

:Older issues of the [[Guinness Book of Records]] had an "oldest ghost" category, which asserted that ghosts are not immortal and fade away eventually; the record for Britain was apparently a Roman legion still marching along some former Roman Road.  On a related note, the guide when I visited the [[Colosseum]] said there were no ghosts there in spite of about one million having been killed in its arena.  [[User:Jnestorius|jnestorius]]<sup>([[User talk:Jnestorius|talk]])</sup> 02:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Non-American online brokerage service ==

Are there any online trading services (à la E-Trade and Ameritrade) that are not explicitly based in America? I have a social security number from back in my college days, but I don't have a US address nor would I want to pay American capital gains tax. Are there any online brokerage services that do not specifically tie themselves to one jurisdiction? Is that even possible? [[User:Plasticup|<b><font color="#0080FF">Plasticup</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Plasticup |<font color="#2A8E82"><sup><small>T</small></sup></font>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Plasticup|<font color="#2A8E82"><small>C</small></font>]] 16:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:There are such services in pretty much allow major jurisdictions. If there are any that work across different jurisdictions, they probably do so by having subsidiaries in each which all use the same name. I don't think there is any problem with using a broker in a foreign country, but there may be tax concerns when you repatriate the money. --[[User:Tango|Tango]] ([[User talk:Tango|talk]]) 16:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:See [[:Category:Financial services companies by country]]. —[[User:D Monack|D. Monack]] [[User talk:D Monack|<sup>''talk''</sup>]] 18:55, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:It's not clear from your question: are you interested in investing in the US markets from outside the US?  If so, you'll need to be largely self-directed, as all US-based financial advisors are pretty much prohibited from doing business with non-citizens since the passage of the Patriot Act.
:Further, if your timeframe is short, now is not a good time to be trying this even though the markets are "on sale", so to speak.  All advisors I'm associated with have just today (they always wait until the last minute :-)) completed their annual compliance course work, so it will be freshly instilled in their minds that anything even remotely resembling money laundering (or under conditions that might allow money to be laundered) is strictly forbidden.
:But, if none of those conditions apply to you, have fun! --[[User:DaHorsesMouth|DaHorsesMouth]] ([[User talk:DaHorsesMouth|talk]]) 00:59, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== DESIGN WINS ==

What "DESIGN WINS" means?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.191.27.231|67.191.27.231]] ([[User talk:67.191.27.231|talk]]) 18:49, 31 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Possibly that there was a competition of some sort between different designs for something, and one of the designs was judged to be the best of them?!?  Could you give more context please?  --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]].[[User talk:Jayron32|<small>talk</small>]].[[Special:Contributions/Jayron32|<small>contribs</small>]] 18:59, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::A "win" is generally just that.  Some competition that you have won could be called a "win".  The opposite would sometimes be called a "fail".  Both of these are pretty colloquial terms but are gaining a wider acceptance as far as slang or jargon goes.  So, a design win would be a well done job in some sort of design situation. <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:Could you give use some context?  Where did you see this? [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 00:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::Here's a fail, if that helps.... [http://tizona.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/ride-design-fail.jpg] -   [[Special:Contributions/38.112.225.84|38.112.225.84]] ([[User talk:38.112.225.84|talk]]) 02:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

:"Design win" is a term used in the electronics industry. My understanding is that when a company has a design win, some component it designed is chosen by some device or system manufacturer to be used in the latter's product(s). --[[Special:Contributions/98.114.146.32|98.114.146.32]] ([[User talk:98.114.146.32|talk]]) 03:33, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:::To 38.112.... Dude!!! I am mildly disturbed by that... Srsly... --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]].[[User talk:Jayron32|<small>talk</small>]].[[Special:Contributions/Jayron32|<small>contribs</small>]] 03:39, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Google Earth images ==

What are the streaks shown on Google Earth (or Google Maps) at these locations: 36°19'57.37", 43°05'16.16" and 36°20'22.91", 43°06'05.33"
Thanks,  <span style="font-family:monospace;">[[User:Dismas|Dismas]]</span>|[[User talk:Dismas|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:Are you sure those are the right locations?  I put them into Google Maps (satelite view) and all I see is a bunch of buildings at each location?  It just looks like two random buildings in the heavily-built up areas of the city of [[Mosul]] in Iraq.  If I zoom out, I can see yellow lines superimposed over the map which indicate the local highway system; it looks like these are numbered "Route 1" and "Route 2" and things like that... Other than that, I don't see any "streaks"... --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]].[[User talk:Jayron32|<small>talk</small>]].[[Special:Contributions/Jayron32|<small>contribs</small>]] 19:33, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

::I see the streaks but they look like light reflecting off something. [[User:Adam Bishop|Adam Bishop]] ([[User talk:Adam Bishop|talk]]) 20:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I have to admit, I'm not seeing the streaks; but does it strike anyone else as odd that the "roads" labeled 1 and 2 in the map overlay do not correspond to any roads visible in the satellite image? (They pass right through buildings, for pete's sake.) Is the U.S. military trying to confuse the "insurgents"? [[User:Deor|Deor]] ([[User talk:Deor|talk]]) 23:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

: I can see some strange diagonal lines extending north-west to south-east from what appear to be cars on the road to the west of the first location and immediately to the north and south in the second location.   Those lines appear to be aliased (they have 'stair-steps') which says that they are some sort of artifact of the imaging system.

: If I had to guess (and it's really only a guess) then I'd suspect a situation as follows:
:* Perhaps the photos were originally taken at an oblique angle rather than from vertically overhead.  If you think about it, it's really impossible for the aircraft (or satellite) to be precisely over the top of every single building or tower - so a degree of slant is inevitable.
:* It is likely that Google (or whoever supplied them with the photos) sought to remove that artifact.
:* One way that they can do that is to use two photos of the same area taken as the aircraft passes overhead - just a second or two apart.  By noting how the position of the roofs of buildings "move" compared to the roads - they can deduce the height of the building and they know the orientation of the aircraft and camera - so they can figure out how much to shift the pixels on the rooftops to fix the 'slanting' effect.
:* OK - but suppose a car is driving along the road parallel to the path of the aircraft?   Its position would move slightly from one photo to the next as time has elapsed between them.
:* Put that together - and it's possible for a moving car to fool the 'straightening out the buildings' software into thinking that the pixels that make up the car are high up in the air...the 'roof' of a tall tower with the cross-sectional area of a car.
:* But when they 'shift' the car pixels - instead of removing the slanted view of the walls of the building - they actually CREATE a streak in the opposite direction.
: These kinds of artifacts are reasonably common in "corrected" photography - although I've never seen precisely this effect before.
: [[User:SteveBaker|SteveBaker]] ([[User talk:SteveBaker|talk]]) 00:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

= November 1 =

== Freemason job boards ==

Do any Masonic lodges provide job boards exclusive to their members? [[User:NeonMerlin|<span style="background:#000;color:red;border:#0f0 solid;border-width:1px 0">Neon</span>]][[User talk:NeonMerlin|<span style="background:#0f0;color:#000;border:red solid;border-width:1px 0">Merlin</span>]] 01:51, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:They do, but the jobs are only availible for positions in the [[Illuminati]] and the [[Trilateral Commission]].  --[[User:Jayron32|Jayron32]].[[User talk:Jayron32|<small>talk</small>]].[[Special:Contributions/Jayron32|<small>contribs</small>]] 03:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Rod below barrel on WWII guns ==

Example on the Kar 98K: [[Media:En-Kar98k rifle.jpeg]] On the Arisaka: [[Media:Type99Rifle.JPG]]

What is the function of it? I'm thinking it's something like a cleaning rod. I've also seen some pictures without the rod below the barrel, so I'm guessing it's not critical for the operation of the rifle. [[Special:Contributions/67.169.56.73|67.169.56.73]] ([[User talk:67.169.56.73|talk]]) 03:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

:Yep, it's a removable cleaning rod.  Most of the cleaning components are stored in the stock, but the rod under the barrel is a "style" thing dating back to the days when muskets had [[ramrod]]s stored in that position (and, depending on the length of the rifle, may not fit in the stock). [[User:FiggyBee|FiggyBee]] ([[User talk:FiggyBee|talk]]) 04:25, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Photoshop ==

On photoshop the cursor doesn't do the function I have chosen for it (brush tool), and it just looks like the hand tool. I have tried making it do every function, but it stays looking like the hand tool and not doing anything. Does anyone know what I have done and how to fix it? Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/92.0.148.25|92.0.148.25]] ([[User talk:92.0.148.25|talk]]) 06:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)