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==Bush administration reprisals?==

[[User:132.241.245.49]] has added Category:Targets of alleged Bush administration reprisals to this article.  Mel Carnahan died in October 2000 and the Bush administration did not begin until January 2001.  Therefore, I don't understand how this category could possibly be applicable.  I'm also not certain what alleged incidents, the tag refers to.  Do other editors have thoughts on this matter?  [[User:TMS63112|TMS63112]] 07:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)



The above is simply "Bush bashing" and political sour grapes.

In the ''Political career'' there is no mention of the covert [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ArmedCitizen/Sandbox Proposition B] campaign and [http://www.moccw.org/jamison.html his pledge to remain neutral].  Or that Judith Moriarty (Secretary of State) was [http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/Facts/StbySt/MO.html impeached] and '''his appointment''' of Rebecca Cook in 1994.

'''It was the first time that a dead man had ever been elected to Senate.''' Mrs. Carnahan appointment to the Senate was allowed without protest?

Legal action taken by Jean Carnahan (plane crash) to later finance the political ambitions?  Which friendly judge heard that case?

Instrument rated pilot flying out of a rain storm can't read the properly functioning instruments?


[[User:ArmedCitizen|ArmedCitizen]] 13:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

: The legal procedure was followed in 2000.  No protests would have been valid. As the entry states, it was too late to remove Carnahan from the ballot, and the procedure in place was for the Lt Gov to appoint if necessary.  Some have commented that the Lt. Governor wasn't required to appoint Jean Carnahan, and the promise before the election that he would do that was just that -- a promise.  One he did not break, though.  Any conspiracy theories regarding Jean Carnahan would belong on her talk page. [[User:Gavroche42|Gavroche42]] 03:48, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

== References ==

Hi. This article needs to conform to Wikipedia requirements re: references/sources - one external link about the plane crash is not enough. Then perhaps someone might assess the article, but not until then. I've put a tag in the article, which can be removed when references are supplied. Thanks. [[User:Refsworldlee|'''Ref''']] <sup>[[User talk:Refsworldlee|(chew)]]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/Refsworldlee|<small>(do)</small>]] 21:50, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:I have added a link to the Missouri State Treasurer's Biography on Mel Carnahan which appears to verify at least some of the information in this article. --[[User:TommyBoy|TommyBoy]] ([[User talk:TommyBoy|talk]]) 06:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

::Following up on my addition of a reference for this article, I have tagged the article for lack of in-line citations because I am not well-versed in the formatting of in-line citations on Wikipedia. If another user more familiar with that process could add in-line citations using the reference I provided, I would appreciate it. --[[User:TommyBoy|TommyBoy]] ([[User talk:TommyBoy|talk]]) 06:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

:::With only a single reference to cover all the information in the article, it's impossible to inline it. It's formatted correctly until such time as alternative or extra references are found.

:::Also, did you realise that the death date in the article (unsourced) was October 16, 2000? The death date according to the reference is October 17, 2000, and I have amended the article accordingly. If anyone believes that it was the 16th they can change it back, but only if they insert a really reliable reference to support it. Thanks. [[User:Refsworldlee|'''Ref''']] <sup>[[User talk:Refsworldlee|(chew)]]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/Refsworldlee|<small>(do)</small>]] 12:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

==Fair use rationale for Image:Mel Carnahan.jpg==
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[[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 16:17, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

==Senator/Senator-elect==
Mel Carnahan was never a United States Senator-elect, much less a Senator. Upon certification that a dead person had received a plurality, the seat was declared vacant. Trying to shoehorn that into an elected office infobox is cute, but not factual. As a result, it has no place here. Carnahan is not the only person to have died or refused office after election to the Senate, and none of them have it noted in the infobox. Treatment in the article is good enough. -[[User:Rrius|Rrius]] ([[User talk:Rrius|talk]]) 21:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== Carnahan's Deathplace ==

I noticed that there is an inconsistency in this article regarding Carnahan's deathplace. The InfoBox lists the [[Jefferson County, Missouri|Jefferson County]] town of [[Goldman, Missouri|Goldman]], but the article text states that the plane crash in which Carnahan died in occurred near the Jefferson County cities of [[Pevely, Missouri|Pevely]] and [[Hillsboro, Missouri|Hillsboro]]. I had considered changing both the InfoBox and article text to reflect that he died in Jefferson County without any specific mention of nearby cities or towns, but decided to get a second opinion from my fellow Wikipedians before doing so. --[[User:TommyBoy|TommyBoy]] ([[User talk:TommyBoy|talk]]) 06:46, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
:The mention of the towns of Pevely and Hillsboro has been removed from the article by an unregisted user, and his deathplace is listed as Jefferson County without any specific mention of a city or town in his Missouri State Treasurer biography, so I will update the article accordingly. --[[User:TommyBoy|TommyBoy]] ([[User talk:TommyBoy|talk]]) 02:43, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

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== Some basic feedback ==

@[[User:FountofInterestingInfo|FountofInterestingInfo]]: Pretty close to B class, imo, but the lead and some sections could use a bit of expansion, if possible. A large amount of the sources are linked to their archive, instead of the original URL, so that should also be fixed. [[User:ARandomName123|ARandomName123]] ([[User talk:ARandomName123|talk]])<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup>  19:49, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:ARandomName123|ARandomName123]]: I've fixed the links and expanded the article a fair bit. [[User:FountofInterestingInfo|FountofInterestingInfo]] ([[User talk:FountofInterestingInfo|talk]]) 02:46, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
::Pretty good! ORES gives an assessment of 69% GA, and the article looks pretty clean, so with a few minor adjustments, the article should be good enough to be nominated as a [[Wikipedia:GAN|GA]], if you choose to do so.
::A few minor suggestions:
::<nowiki>- A large amount of the newspaper sources use the cite book template instead of cite news. This is relatively easy to fix, iirc, you just replace the book in {{cite book... with {{cite news...</nowiki>
::- The final sentence in "Early life and education" needs a source
::- Subsection title should use [[Letter case#Sentence case|sentence case]] per [[MOS:SECTION]]
::- Watch words like "tragically", but again, this problem isn't that prevalent.
::- Awards and recognition section could use more expansion, but I understand that this may not be possible
::If you need help on any of this, feel free to ask me or other editors. Good job so far! [[User:ARandomName123|ARandomName123]] ([[User talk:ARandomName123|talk]])<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup>  03:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
:::I think I've addressed all these concerns. Thank you for your continued feedback. It's truly helped to enhance this article beyond what I thought possible. If there's anything else you could suggest or think that I need to fix, let me know. [[User:FountofInterestingInfo|FountofInterestingInfo]] ([[User talk:FountofInterestingInfo|talk]]) 05:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
::::A few sources need some minor rearrangements. If they have a full date in "Year of publication", it should be moved to "Source date". If their author name is given as "Associated Press" or other non-name, it should be moved to "agency". The name of the newspaper should be in "Name of publication" instead of "Publisher". 
::::I've done this change to Early life and education, and State legislator, so you can look there for an example. 
::::Other than that, the article looks fine. I'll take a look at the other article you put up for assessment when I get the time. [[User:ARandomName123|ARandomName123]] ([[User talk:ARandomName123|talk]])<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup>  13:32, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::I think I fixed everything you said. I will also do it for the other article too since I know a bit more what to do now.  [[User:FountofInterestingInfo|FountofInterestingInfo]] ([[User talk:FountofInterestingInfo|talk]]) 18:09, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
::::::Looks good, upping rating from C-class to B-class. [[User:ARandomName123|ARandomName123]] ([[User talk:ARandomName123|talk]])<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup>  19:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Awesome. Do you think it could be nominated as [[Wikipedia:Good articles|GA Class]]? [[User:FountofInterestingInfo|FountofInterestingInfo]] ([[User talk:FountofInterestingInfo|talk]]) 19:19, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
::::::::I'd say [[Wikipedia:BOLD|go for it!]] Even if it doesn't work out, you'll get some valuable feedback. You can use [[User:SD0001/GAN-helper]] to easily create a nomination. Good luck! [[User:ARandomName123|ARandomName123]] ([[User talk:ARandomName123|talk]])<sup><span style="color:Green"><small>Ping me!</small></span></sup>  19:31, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::I will do it. Thank you again for your feedback and edits. Without it, this would not have been possible. [[User:FountofInterestingInfo|FountofInterestingInfo]] ([[User talk:FountofInterestingInfo|talk]]) 19:52, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
{{Talk:Mel Carnahan/GA1}}

== Senator-elect in infobox ==

Is it appropriate (or rather, accurate) to describe Carnahan as a "Senator-elect" in his infobox. Technically he was already dead when he was elected, so I don't know if that label could apply to him. Or at least "died before taking office" should be something like "posthumously elected". [[User:Estar8806|estar8806]] ([[User talk:Estar8806|talk]]) [[Special:Contributions/Estar8806 |★]] 22:58, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

:@[[User:Estar8806|Estar8806]] That's probably fair. That wording would imply he won and died after that. This article is in the process of a Good Article nomination (see above), so when I make the requested edits in the coming days, I'll change it to posthumously elected, and ask the person reviewing for their take on any further infobox action.  [[User:FountofInterestingInfo|FountofInterestingInfo]] ([[User talk:FountofInterestingInfo|talk]]) 01:55, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
::Good by me, I was going to change it myself, but saw that this was a GAN right now so I figured I would hold off. [[User:Estar8806|estar8806]] ([[User talk:Estar8806|talk]]) [[Special:Contributions/Estar8806 |★]] 01:56, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
{{Talk:Mel Carnahan/GA2}}

==Did you know nomination==
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