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== Why can't we just put Tobi and Madara's articles together? == |
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In my opinion, this is just stupid. y cant we just merge the info together? They are the same person! No one has refered to him as Tobi except for himself. Pain, Konan, And Zetsu know that he is Madara and call him by that name, the only one that doesn't know is Kisame. I'm pretty sure a lot of people want this to happen. Why is it not happening then? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/12.214.76.123|12.214.76.123]] ([[User talk:12.214.76.123|talk]]) 20:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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[[Akatsuki (Naruto)]] was merged to [[List of Naruto villains#Akatsuki ]] per the consensus reached during lengthy discussions (archived [[Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)/Archive 15#Merge|here]]). As such, this talk page is, for all practical purposes, an archive and no new discussions should be started here. All discussions regarding the merged Akatsuki contents should be taken to [[Talk:List of Naruto villains]]. |
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The old talk archives, as well as the last discussions, are available in the archives linked above. The articles previous PR/GA/AfD history appers below [[User:AnmaFinotera|AnmaFinotera]] ([[User talk:AnmaFinotera|talk]]) 03:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC) |
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== Pain isn't the Leader == |
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Im pretty sure that because Madara made Akatsuki, and gives orders to Pain, that Madara is the Leader. Only Kisame refers to Pain as Leader. Pain, Konan, and Zetsu all obey his direct orders. so that means 3 out of the 4 members besides Madara serve him. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/12.214.76.123|12.214.76.123]] ([[User talk:12.214.76.123|talk]]) 20:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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List of Naruto '''antagonists''' to List of Naruto '''characters''' |
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:{{Done}}--[[User:Jac16888|<span style="color:Blue;">Jac</span><span style="color:Green;">16888</span>]] [[User talk:Jac16888|<sup><span style="color:red;">Talk</span></sup>]] 16:23, 21 September 2011 (UTC) |
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== Edit request on 16 April 2013 == |
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== Yet more proof == |
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Redirect to subheading Akatsuki instead of Antagonist. [[User:DragonZero|<span style="color:blue;">DragonZero</span>]] ([[User talk:DragonZero#top|<small>Talk</small>]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/DragonZero|<small>Contribs</small>]]) 20:27, 16 April 2013 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP --> --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 20:53, 16 April 2013 (UTC) |
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Yet more proof that Tobi is Madara in chapter 397 (not that any more was needed). He states that he himself, personally, is Madara Uchiha. Really, how much more proof can there be before someone just edits "Tobi" to "Tobi/Madara Uchiha"? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.120.97.162|69.120.97.162]] ([[User talk:69.120.97.162|talk]]) 15:20, 11 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Seconded. It's not even up for debate whether or not they're the same. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Darkmage Rector|Darkmage Rector]] ([[User talk:Darkmage Rector|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Darkmage Rector|contribs]]) 05:12, 13 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Add deceased to the dead members == |
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We should put that they are deceased by the names of the Akatsuki that ARE dead. |
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It saves people the trouble of having to read there info. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/12.214.76.123|12.214.76.123]] ([[User talk:12.214.76.123|talk]]) 00:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Add 'deceased' to Itachi now? == |
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Chapter 396 really ended the discussion. Madara clearly says 'Itachi's corpse.' <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/132.170.213.237|132.170.213.237]] ([[User talk:132.170.213.237|talk]]) 12:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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But in chapter 397, Itachi is cleary alive. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/121.91.77.69|121.91.77.69]] ([[User talk:121.91.77.69|talk]]) 10:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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No he isn't. Confirmed spoilers don't have him in it. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/132.170.37.209|132.170.37.209]] ([[User talk:132.170.37.209|talk]]) 01:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Yeah, you have to notice the way he's shaded. It's to demonstrate that this is just a memory of his image. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Darkmage Rector|Darkmage Rector]] ([[User talk:Darkmage Rector|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Darkmage Rector|contribs]]) 05:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Pein, not Pain == |
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It bothers me that Pein is called and listed as Pain. Just because it sounds like pain doesn't mean it is. His name should be changed to correct this mistake. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:RyanRendan|RyanRendan]] ([[User talk:RyanRendan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RyanRendan|contribs]]) 04:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::Please read the archives, and possibly read something about Japanese culture and language - its completely, totally obvious that the intended translation is "Pain".<small>[[User:KrytenKoro|Not even Mr. Lister's]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|Koromon survived intact.]]</small> 05:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Direct literal translations are not always the best thing to do. RyanRendan:[[User:RyanRendan|RyanRendan]] ([[User talk:RyanRendan|talk]]) 00:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Wasn't there a lengthy discussion called "Pain, not Pein" a while ago?--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 00:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Yes, thus the archive suggestion by Kryten. Should be in the most recent one. — [[User:The Rogue Penguin|Trust not the Penguin]] ([[User talk:The Rogue Penguin|T]] | [[Special:Contributions/The Rogue Penguin|C]]) 00:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC) |
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If there was I didn't see it.[[User:RyanRendan|RyanRendan]] ([[User talk:RyanRendan|talk]]) 00:57, 28 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:Then trust me or look yourself, its there. Its done. As of now, until proven otherwise, Pein's name is Pain here.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 00:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC) |
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29/Archive_14#pein_vs_pain Here]. Don't be lazy next time. [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] ([[User talk:JuJube|talk]]) 01:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC) |
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I see I'm just bringing back old things now. I'm sorry.... but still E! -end [[User:RyanRendan|RyanRendan]] ([[User talk:RyanRendan|talk]]) 01:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC) |
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Pein is the real body. The Pains are the Rikudou bodies! (UTC) |
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Could it just be possible that Pain/Pein's name was translated wrong? Maybe Kishimoto never intended his name to be written as "Pain" in english. Pain in japanese Is Itami, Kurushimi, Kushin, Itazuki, and/or Kutsuu. Could one of these be his name? ([[User:DaMakDaddy|DaMakDaddy]] ([[User talk:DaMakDaddy|talk]]) 01:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)) |
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<small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Battoubro|Battoubro]] ([[User talk:Battoubro|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Battoubro|contribs]]) 21:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Pein is definatly not spelled like Pain. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mangekyousharingan1918|Mangekyousharingan1918]] ([[User talk:Mangekyousharingan1918|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mangekyousharingan1918|contribs]]) 15:02, 27 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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if you go to saiyan island then it ''will'' tell you that his name can either be spelled pein or pain. |
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== Itachi seperate? == |
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Itachi's dead now, so what does it even matter? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.157.112.148|75.157.112.148]] ([[User talk:75.157.112.148|talk]]) 18:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Right i think this is very nessisary to seperate Itachi. He has been in Shippuden and the naruto manga load's recently and has been the subject of very important plot's. Before Orochimaru was the main Antagonist but now it's pretty much Itachi. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.145.242.2|81.145.242.2]] ([[User talk:81.145.242.2|talk]]) 22:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Is there enough reliable third-party sources to justify a split, though? It doesn't matter how important a character is to the plot. If there are no reliable third-party sources that will allow the character to pass the [[WP:N|notability guideline]], then it shouldn't be split off. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 22:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::There isn't enough. No conception information and reception is practically nonexistent. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Sephiroth BCR|<font color="navy">'''Sephiroth BCR'''</font>]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Sephiroth BCR|<font color="blue">Converse</font>]])'''</sup></font> 22:29, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Well if you take a look at www.leafninja.com you will find out alot about Itachi. And i mean alot. And if you mean reception on the character you can find it at the official naruto site [I Think that's the one though it could be the different one] I Think Itachi deserve's to have his own article. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.145.240.49|81.145.240.49]] ([[User talk:81.145.240.49|talk]]) 12:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Where?[http://www.leafninja.com/fullbio.php?p=Uchiha_Itachi] all the information is plot overview. About reception we need more than merchandising, we need critics of the character, pay a look at Sasuke Uchiha, Sakura Haruno and Kakashi Hatake that are GA now.--'''[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]]''' ([[User talk:Tintor2|Talk]]) 12:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:leafninja is not a reliable source and the official Naruto website is not a third-party source. So you strike out at both ends. A fiction character does not deserve their own article until the notability of the character can be demonstrated through reliable third-party sources. --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 12:53, 8 March 2008 (UTC) |
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If Itachi gets killed soon then he is just a plot device. In the event he's not it is likley that he will become a main and noteable character. Even if we just use the manga itself it is still better than nothing... But I feel this will not matter because it is likely he will die soon. (un-named) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/134.84.102.76|134.84.102.76]] ([[User talk:134.84.102.76|talk]]) 04:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:What does that have to do with him passing [[WP:N]] or [[WP:FICT]]? --'''[[User:TheFarix|Farix]]''' ([[User talk:TheFarix|Talk]]) 10:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC) |
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I'm just saying that if he dies soon that their is no way he will pass the FICT (he would just be a plot device). And I think that there is a good chance that he will die soon (90%+). But there is a good chance if he does not die soon he will become a very important character. If that is the case we should have an article on him just, even if he does not on secondary sources, to make the wikipedia Naruto series consistent. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/134.84.102.76|134.84.102.76]] ([[User talk:134.84.102.76|talk]]) 17:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:That does not matter, what a character needs to get its own article is out-of-universe information; no importance in the plot. Even this [[Troy McClure|minor character]] from the simpson has its own article for having out-of-universe info and its a [[Wikipedia:Featured articles|FA-class]].--'''[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]]''' ([[User talk:Tintor2|Talk]]) 12:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Oh, I agree that Itachi becoming an important character in the Narutoverse would not give him an article under wikipedia's noteablity gudieline. But I would like for him to have an article anyway so the wikipedia's naruto series is logically consistent and not a bunch of random articles. But as I said before this will likley not matter due the fact that there is a good chance he will die soon. If you want to see a wikipedia anime series with too many artices check out Bleach. (edit: it is very likley Itachi will meet the noteablity gudeline soon if he becomes a major character -- so it won't matter the other way to. At least someone will make a figure of him or something silly like that.) |
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Leave all descesed members like Itachi. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/79.73.118.96|79.73.118.96]] ([[User talk:79.73.118.96|talk]]) 18:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Plot importance does not mean he gets his own article. Real-world importance means he gets his own article. Godspeed. <b><span style="color:#40826D">Stardust</span><span style="color:#003153">Dragon</span></b> 14:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Muramasa itachi|Muramasa itachi]] ([[User talk:Muramasa itachi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Muramasa itachi|contribs]]) </small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Explanation of Teams? == |
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Can we try to point out how each partner keeps the other well balanced like Itachi being calm and collected while Kisami is insane, Fire, Water, Etc.--[[Special:Contributions/76.199.5.82|76.199.5.82]] ([[User talk:76.199.5.82|talk]]) 01:51, 11 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:Unless this was stated in the manga itself or was mentioned by a reliable third party source it would violtaed [[WP:OR]] and can't be included. --[[Special:Contributions/76.71.209.154|76.71.209.154]] ([[User talk:76.71.209.154|talk]]) 22:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Susanoo is the god of the sea and storms and is often described as a shark man. Kisame is a "Shark man" and uses Suiton abilities. |
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Susanoo uses a sword. Kisame uses a sword. |
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Susanoo is said to be uncontrollable and reckless. Kisame is the same. |
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Susanoo was exiled and went on a rampage afterwards. Kisame either left or was exiled and went back to kill.~~Perry~H <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/79.73.118.96|79.73.118.96]] ([[User talk:79.73.118.96|talk]]) 18:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Nah rubbish, Kisame being uncontrollable and reckless? Which is why he is able to swing around a huge sword without screwing up and why he obidiently follows Peins and Itachi' orders? Need to rethink your info man. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DrTheKay|DrTheKay]] ([[User talk:DrTheKay|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DrTheKay|contribs]]) 08:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Itachi's Death == |
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For right now, I think the part about Itachi having died should be removed. He collapsed and certainly looks close to death, but until it's absolutely confirmed, it's just speculation. [[Special:Contributions/24.131.8.253|24.131.8.253]] ([[User talk:24.131.8.253|talk]]) 13:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Itachi is dead as of chapter 393. [[User:Wiki360|Wiki360]] ([[User talk:Wiki360|talk]]) 07:11, 14 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Please update the Akatsuki article since Uchiha Itachi deceased in chapter 393 (http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-393/page001.html). |
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I still cannot understand why Itachi lost to his younger and definitely still weaker brother ... Kishi starts pissing me off. [[User:Tommyss|Tommyss]] ([[User talk:Tommyss|talk]]) 10:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:It was never explicitly said that Itachi is dead. He simply collapsed. Until we get a more definitive confirmation, I say we just add a mention about him collapsing before he could take the eyes.[[Special:Contributions/60.52.123.220|60.52.123.220]] ([[User talk:60.52.123.220|talk]]) 10:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:Itachi isnt dead, he just past out--<small>[[User:The_Last_Uchiha|<span style="color:#dc0000;background:#2012d8">The Last Uchiha</span>]]</small> 10:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::Usually when you fall on the ground after being unable to grab something and start bleeding from every orifice on your face, you're done. Except for Bleach. Nobody dies in Bleach. [[Special:Contributions/76.7.238.234|76.7.238.234]] ([[User talk:76.7.238.234|talk]]) 18:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Most characters in ''Bleach'' are already dead. Dying twice is probably difficult. Just ask Son Goku! '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::::As often as people on Wikipedia argue about speculation, I'd think this wouldn't be any different. Until the next chapter rolls around and Sasuke/Zetsu/God himself confirms that Itachi is done for, he should remain in the active roster. [[Special:Contributions/24.131.8.253|24.131.8.253]] ([[User talk:24.131.8.253|talk]]) 21:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::I wouldn't call Sasuke "definitely weaker" than Itachi. Sasuke is still standing. Itachi is not. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.48.140.194|68.48.140.194]] ([[User talk:68.48.140.194|talk]]) 13:18, 16 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::::::Yeah, because Tobi killed him. Sasuke is so much weaker than Itachi that it's incomparable. Remember how Itachi was clearly weakened since the fight started? |
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It was never explicitly said that Itachi is dead. He simply collapsed. Until we get a more definitive confirmation, I say we just add a mention about him collapsing before he could take the eyes.60.52.123.220 (talk) 10:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC) |
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I AGREE WITH THIS 100 % <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.189.56.108|24.189.56.108]] ([[User talk:24.189.56.108|talk]]) 21:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I agree. If Itachi was dead, they probably would have said so. [[User:Jazz Band Member|Jazz Band Member]] ([[User talk:Jazz Band Member|talk]]) 11:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::Just to point it out, but if you read the little words that look narrator-ish on the page where Itachi collapses, the words being used strongly suggest Itachi is dead. This doesn't count as absolute proof, though. [[User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares|Artist Formerly Known As Whocares]] ([[User talk:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares|talk]]) 17:51, 16 March 2008 (UTC) |
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The recent chapter pretty clearly says Itachi is dead...recent spoiler pics of 394 confirm it. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/132.170.213.237|132.170.213.237]] ([[User talk:132.170.213.237|talk]]) 12:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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in the version that I read it just said that he was paralyzed and spoilers don't count they can be misleading so it shouldn't be said he is dead--[[Special:Contributions/71.218.196.182|71.218.196.182]] ([[User talk:71.218.196.182|talk]]) 02:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC) |
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The chapter is now out...Zetsu says Itachi is dead, and we're shown his corpse very clearly...lying there, not breathing, moving, and the eyes are even open. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/132.170.35.92|132.170.35.92]] ([[User talk:132.170.35.92|talk]]) 22:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Ok so Itachi is dead just like I said he was last week [[User:Wiki360|Wiki360]] ([[User talk:Wiki360|talk]]) 03:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Although I think it too soon to list him as such, it seems it’s been decided to list Itachi as dead. In that case, shouldn’t there be a (Deceased) description next to his age in the article?--[[User:Halls452|Halls452]] ([[User talk:Halls452|talk]]) 23:55, 26 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Although I disagree with Itachi being dead (how can you tell if a picture of a character is breathing or not?) his page needs to be cleaned up. His age for Part II was deleted when deceased was put in. Also, cant this argument simply be solved by writing (Assumed Deceased)... it would basically solve both parties' claims. [[Special:Contributions/24.184.73.244|24.184.73.244]] ([[User talk:24.184.73.244|talk]]) 02:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC) |
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[[User:Dreadwins|Dreadwins]] ([[User talk:Dreadwins|talk]]) 17:50, 29 March 2008 (UTC) |
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I agree, Itachi being dead is just a speculation for now. |
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:How is it speculation? His partner cleary stated that he was dead when he say the body and he later told Tobi the same thing in the next chapter. --[[Special:Contributions/76.69.164.193|76.69.164.193]] ([[User talk:76.69.164.193|talk]]) 22:36, 30 March 2008 (UTC) |
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[[User:Dreadwins|Dreadwins]] ([[User talk:Dreadwins|talk]]) 09:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Yeah but neither of them are doctors :P - but to be more serious,. "Also, cant this argument simply be solved by writing (Assumed Deceased)... it would basically solve both parties' claims." seems like a good idea for now. |
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Well Itachi has been called a corpse by Madara who was standing right next to Itachi. So he's really dead... [[User:Dreadwins|Dreadwins]] ([[User talk:Dreadwins|talk]]) 13:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Another Member == |
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I don't remember what chapter it was, i think the one with itachi fighting Kakashi, Naruto, Sakura, and Chiyo. but when Deidara and Sasori bring Garra's body to the hidout, when everyone is getting ready, it shows a member with spiky hair that goes back. it wasn't Kisame because he didn't have a sword. and it wasn't the leader. and in a picture of Akatsuki, there is a person standing by Pain who has spiky hair. i just think it should be added. for all we know, that was Madara helping to seal Shukaku. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/12.214.76.123|12.214.76.123]] ([[User talk:12.214.76.123|talk]]) 21:33, 18 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:That could have been Kakuzu before his design was finalized, or maybe it was Kisame but he didn't have his sword on his back. I'm almost certain it wasn't a yet unrevealed member, seeing as how that was nearly 100 chapters ago and no further mention of this mystery Akatsuki has been made. [[Special:Contributions/24.131.8.253|24.131.8.253]] ([[User talk:24.131.8.253|talk]]) 16:27, 21 March 2008 (UTC) |
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It could have been Zetsu, Madara or Kisame without a sword. It was definatly not a tottaly unmentioned character, the picture might not have been clear enough to tell which Akatsuki it was. |
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March 27 2008 <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mangekyosharingan14|Mangekyosharingan14]] ([[User talk:Mangekyosharingan14|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mangekyosharingan14|contribs]]) 19:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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i think that was Tobi <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.124.115.245|76.124.115.245]] ([[User talk:76.124.115.245|talk]]) 20:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Could it have been one of Pein's multiple bodies <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.251.66.183|24.251.66.183]] ([[User talk:24.251.66.183|talk]]) 01:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== itachi dead == |
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shouldn't itachi be put on the former members list now <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.216.112.137|76.216.112.137]] ([[User talk:76.216.112.137|talk]]) 22:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Since we do not know whether or not he's really dead, or if Sasuke will spare him at the last second and go for the true instigator of the clan's death, Madara, we cannot say that. [[WP:CRYSTAL|Wikipedia is not a crystal ball]] and should not be treated as such. [[User:Sasuke9031|Sasuke9031]] ([[User talk:Sasuke9031|talk]]) 23:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Until the real chapter that shows his death (not a spoiler) comes out can we call him dead --[[User:Rofur|Rofur]] ([[User talk:Rofur|talk]]) 02:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:Don't assume he died, that is [[WP:CRYSTAL|speculating]]. Wait until the chapter comes out. <font color="red">[[User:Omghgomg|σмgнgσмg]]</font><sup><font color="black">[[User talk:Omghgomg|(talk)]]</font></sup> 10:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::I read the untranslated version of the chapter on saiyanisland; looks like he really is dead. If so, then there isn't any harm in waiting only another day for translated chapters to come out. [[User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares|Artist Formerly Known As Whocares]] ([[User talk:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares|talk]]) 14:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Itachi is a former member. If I remember correctly, you guys put deidara on the former members list right when chapter 363 came out, which was mostly less than 1 chapter after he blew himself up. In addition, deidara actually blew himself up before, and no one brough that up to protest against his death. What's special about Itachi? [[User:TobiSamoht|TobiSamoht]] ([[User talk:TobiSamoht|talk]]) 15:41, 21 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::::I think it had more to do with the circumstances of Deidra's death that Itachi being special. A person has a much better chance of surviving if the collapsed from battle than if they exploded. In short Deidra's death was much less questioanable. --[[Special:Contributions/76.69.168.148|76.69.168.148]] ([[User talk:76.69.168.148|talk]]) 03:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC) |
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I don't think he died, just maybe collapsed from overuse of the sharingan. |
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March 27 2008 <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mangekyosharingan14|Mangekyosharingan14]] ([[User talk:Mangekyosharingan14|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mangekyosharingan14|contribs]]) 19:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Considering as mentioned several times that Zetsu stated that he was dead that seems hightly unlikely. I think that Zetsu would have noticed the difference between Itachi being dead and simply out cold. --[[Special:Contributions/76.71.210.45|76.71.210.45]] ([[User talk:76.71.210.45|talk]]) 21:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC) |
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In chapter 396, Madara/Tobi tells Zetsu they "need to get Itachi's corpse", so that's pretty much confirming he's dead. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.26.133.248|142.26.133.248]] ([[User talk:142.26.133.248|talk]]) 15:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Amaterasu Detail == |
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As of now the statement about Amaterasu says that the fire burns until the recipient is turned to ash. While this is true the technique is still under Itachi's control and he can indeed stop the flames from spreading at his will as seen in Manga Chapter 390. I just wanted to discuss the change before putting it in or having someone else put it in (either way). |
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[[User:Narchy|Narchy]] ([[User talk:Narchy|talk]]) 16:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:How does that indicate he can stop the flames? The body still appears to be burning, hence the smoke emanating from it. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::The flames stop progressing throughout the body on Page 6, and Zetsu also mentions that Itachi willingly stopped the technique to get at Sasuke's eyes. The following page, 7 (), shows the body still lying on the ground and the head is visibly intact and void of flames, once again pointing to Itachi's ability to willingly halt the technique. [[User:Narchy|Narchy]] ([[User talk:Narchy|talk]]) 04:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::yes it is even said that he stopped it--<small>[[User:The_Last_Uchiha|<span style="color:#dc0000;background:#2012d8">The Last Uchiha</span>]]</small> 08:55, 21 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::::My mistake; I didn't bother reading the text. Still, it's not necessary to point out the exception to everything, as the flame's ever-burning capacity is what's important. You can add it if you really want to. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:51, 21 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::i know, but i was just pointing it out n_n --<small>[[User:The_Last_Uchiha|<span style="color:#dc0000;background:#2012d8">The Last Uchiha</span>]]</small> 01:41, 22 March 2008 (UTC) |
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It says that each eye technique is "progressively more taxing for him to use, such that after performing Amaterasu his eyes begin to bleeds", but thiat may have just been from him overusing the Mangekyo Sharingan in general, as he was shown to be going blind during the course of the battle. Remember that Itachi used Amaterasu to escape from Jiraiya's toad stomach technique, and his eyes weren't bleeding then. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.26.133.248|142.26.133.248]] ([[User talk:142.26.133.248|talk]]) 15:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Well at that point, the story wasn't that far along. Nobody even knew what Mangekyo Sharingan looked like at that point. The design was only revealed in the Sasuke Retrieval arc during flashbacks. [[User:Sasuke9031|Sasuke9031]] ([[User talk:Sasuke9031|talk]]) 18:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Ninja Ranks == |
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I was thinking, are there any proofs that the title "S-rank" can be applied to any "far from the average" shinobi's? I guess that all through out the series, the only ninja's shown and that were classified as S-rank, D-rank or whatever were all criminals? is this right? or is it just me? then can Jiraiya and Tsunade be ranked as S-class if this is the case? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.109.77.55|71.109.77.55]] ([[User talk:71.109.77.55|talk]]) 00:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Jiraiya and Tsunade are not criminals, so they are not ranked as S-Rank--<small>[[User:The_Last_Uchiha|<span style="color:#dc0000;background:#2012d8">The Last Uchiha</span>]]</small> 04:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC) |
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look. just because the pervy sage ''and'' tsunade left the village without the hokages permission '''does not''' mean that they are s-rank criminals. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.194.89.192|98.194.89.192]] ([[User talk:98.194.89.192|talk]]) 06:16, 25 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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At s-rank crimanal is a crimanal that is concitered very dagerous just like an s-rank mission, or ninja <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.124.115.245|76.124.115.245]] ([[User talk:76.124.115.245|talk]]) 20:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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One may be S-Rank without being a criminal, if they're in another village's bingo-book. I'm sure Jiraiya easily qualifies as S-Rank in, say, Iwatagakure or Amegakure's bingo book. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.153.118.224|68.153.118.224]] ([[User talk:68.153.118.224|talk]]) 18:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Kisame's partner == |
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Will Kisame get a partner in the net chapter, or should that partnership info be changed to None, formerly [[Akatsuki (Naruto)#Itachi Uchiha|Itachi Uchiha]]? [[User:Sasuke9031|Sasuke9031]] ([[User talk:Sasuke9031|talk]]) 00:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:They didn't specify Itachi's death as of Ch. 394 (Sasuke's Victory) so it goes to say that he should remain an active member of Akatsuki until it is said "Itachi is dead" or something along those lines. [[User:Narchy|Narchy]] ([[User talk:Narchy|talk]]) 02:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC) |
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Zetsu's cries out in shock "Itachi's dead?!" And we cut to an image of Itachi's lifeless body...he's not moving, not breathing, his mouth and eyes are open, and to top it off, it starts pouring rain-if he ain't dead yet, he's drowning alright. Zetsu outright confirms it, though...and given that we see Itachi's unmoving, non breathing corpse...it's confirmed <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/132.170.35.92|132.170.35.92]] ([[User talk:132.170.35.92|talk]]) 02:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:yes itachi is dead--<small>[[User:The_Last_Uchiha|<span style="color:#dc0000;background:#2012d8">The Last Uchiha</span>]]</small> 02:55, 22 March 2008 (UTC) |
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He's dead, fanboys, deal with it. [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] ([[User talk:JuJube|talk]]) 11:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:and if it turns out he isnt we can just change it anyway--<small>[[User:The_Last_Uchiha|<span style="color:#dc0000;background:#2012d8">The Last Uchiha</span>]]</small> 13:47, 24 March 2008 (UTC) |
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itach is dead ppl. i know its hard for his fangirls but hey, dont complain to me. try telling mashi kishimoto that after he already published it <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.194.89.192|98.194.89.192]] ([[User talk:98.194.89.192|talk]]) 06:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Chapter 396 has been released. Tobi has Sasuke, so maybe Sasuke will take his brother's place in Akatsuki? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.26.133.248|142.26.133.248]] ([[User talk:142.26.133.248|talk]]) 15:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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whoa!whoa! 1. you spelled orochimaru wrong and 2. when did he tell naruto and his friends to killas many members as they can?! |
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== Recall == |
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My bad he is under former. It looked like it because under it it said former agents. By the way What is the differecnt between an agent and member <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Studmuffin60|Studmuffin60]] ([[User talk:Studmuffin60|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Studmuffin60|contribs]]) 05:34, 23 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:An agent works for the Akatsuki, while a member is in the Akatsuki. [[User:Jazz Band Member|Jazz Band Member]] ([[User talk:Jazz Band Member|talk]]) 15:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::why does it matter orochimaru's dead <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.124.115.245|76.124.115.245]] ([[User talk:76.124.115.245|talk]]) 20:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== tobi's "myterious" powers == |
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it said that tobi is able to avoid fatal attacks when i looked up him and last time i checked there wasnt one episode in the naruto shippuuden (or manga for that matter if im not mistaken) that showed tobi being able toavoid attacks like that. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.194.89.192|98.194.89.192]] ([[User talk:98.194.89.192|talk]]) 08:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:....um....how far are you in the manga?--<small>[[User:The_Last_Uchiha|<span style="color:#dc0000;background:#2012d8">The Last Uchiha</span>]]</small> 08:21, 23 March 2008 (UTC) |
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When Sasuke was fightting Deidara, he tried slashing tobi in half and although it did hit,he kinda just stud there unharmed, and recently when fighting the konoha ninjas, naruto hit him in the chest with Rasengan and it just went though him[[User:Allen Walker|Allen Walker]] 09:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC) |
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oh,ok! that so much for informing me about that! sorry i was such a bother! <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.194.89.192|98.194.89.192]] ([[User talk:98.194.89.192|talk]]) 20:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Tobi ~ Uchiha Madara is less likly to be a ghost of chakara left behind by madara but his eye techinque is refered as Immortal so thats why he avoided dedaras final suiside explosion and all of narutos attacks.~~Perry.h <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/79.73.118.96|79.73.118.96]] ([[User talk:79.73.118.96|talk]]) 18:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Speculation >and< incorrect (based on the information we have, anyway). [[Special:Contributions/24.119.150.138|24.119.150.138]] ([[User talk:24.119.150.138|talk]]) 09:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Pein/Pain == |
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Does somebody have a link or something to show these "discussions" where it was decided that Pain would be the spelling? [[User:Gune|Gune]] ([[User talk:Gune|talk]]) 00:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:See the little archive box in the top right corner? They're in there. Specifically, see [[Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)/Archive 13#Pein or Pain?]]. Have a nice day. --[[User:erachima|erachima]] <small>[[User talk:erachima|formerly tjstrf]]</small> 00:36, 29 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:: Also [[Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)/Archive 13#Paeinful, 2007]] also covers this. --[[Special:Contributions/76.71.211.225|76.71.211.225]] ([[User talk:76.71.211.225|talk]]) 22:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC) |
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It would be obiusly be pain because mishi would'nt wanted the usa or europe to be offended be pein eg penis i know its dumb but pain is much more cooler.. |
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== Madara created Akatsuki - reference? == |
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At the top of the article, it says Madara created Akatsuki and references "Page 5 of Volume 17, Chapter 143." Two problems: 1) Chapter 143 is in Volume 16, not 17. 2) There is nothing on that page that says anything about Madara Uchiha. I don't recall seeing anything about Madara creating Akatsuki. If he did, there needs to be a real reference.[[User:Jdlordhelmet|Jdlordhelmet]] ([[User talk:Jdlordhelmet|talk]]) 22:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:Chapter 386, page 14. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Sephiroth BCR|<font color="navy">'''Sephiroth BCR'''</font>]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Sephiroth BCR|<font color="blue">Converse</font>]])'''</sup></font> 22:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC) |
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::I didn't see it there either, but now I do see it on page 11 of chapter 386.[[User:Jdlordhelmet|Jdlordhelmet]] ([[User talk:Jdlordhelmet|talk]]) 22:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Tobi did create the akatsuki or he is the current leader <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.124.115.245|76.124.115.245]] ([[User talk:76.124.115.245|talk]]) 20:19, 4 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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No because know one would know he is the Leader in Secret Sasori was so rude to him he would'nt of been if he knew. Perry.H <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/79.73.118.96|79.73.118.96]] ([[User talk:79.73.118.96|talk]]) 19:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== The current layout == |
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I believe the layout needs to go back to Current Members then Former Members. The current one is confusing and sloppy. Also, change Madara's name to Madara, once and for all. The Tobi alias is completely outdated and hasn't been used at all lately. It's nonsense to continue listing his main name as Tobi. [[User:AnimeNikkaJamal|AnimeNikkaJamal]] ([[User talk:AnimeNikkaJamal|talk]]) 01:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:He's referred to as Tobi at the end of chapter 395, so obviously Kishimoto's screwing with us. As to the layout, all members will be former by the series' end, so it will eventually make no difference. Also, it's pointless to be rearranging the the article simply for the sake of pointing out who is and isn't dead; you can figure that out by reading the character descriptions. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 02:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::The current layout is satisfying to me. As for Tobi/Madara, we could change his name to madara and merge the Madara info on the [[List of Minor Naruto Characters]] here, thus taking care of a small bit of that article. [[User:Sasuke9031|Sasuke9031]] ([[User talk:Sasuke9031|talk]]) 04:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:''As to the layout, all members will be former by the series' end, so it will eventually make no difference.'' |
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::Probably but wiki's not a crystal ball iirc. |
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:''Also, it's pointless to be rearranging the the article simply for the sake of pointing out who is and isn't dead; you can figure that out by reading the character descriptions.'' |
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::Classification would improve the article. Suppose you knew very little about Akatsuki and would prefer first know about who's still alive and affecting the development of the ''Naruto'' series. It would benefit to know who's currently still alive. I suggest at least adding a small list (like the rings list) of the Living, Dead, Former, and Agent members of Akatsuki.[[Special:Contributions/209.244.43.34|209.244.43.34]] ([[User talk:209.244.43.34|talk]]) 07:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I doubt a reader would first want to know who is and isn't alive. I think my first question would be "What the hell is Akatsuki and why should I care?" If anything the status parameter would be restored for each character, though again you can easily figure out their fate by reading their description. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 17:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Knowing who's alive and dead is important to the article, and it makes it seem like Deidara is still alive and Orochimaru is still a member. The current layout does not say who's alive or dead. |
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:::''If anything the status parameter would be restored for each character, though again you can easily figure out their fate by reading their description.'' |
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::::What if someone quickly wants to know who's alive and dead.Then they would have to look through the whole confusing and sloppy article and read each description. [[User:Reefa3|Reefa]][[User talk:Reefa3|T]][[Special:Contributions/Reefa3|o]] 18:12, 13 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::I don't really know what to make of this Snapper. THis guy is obviously trying to act like your sock, but knowing your reputation you don't use socks. Should we report him? [[User:Sasuke9031|Sasuke9031]] ([[User talk:Sasuke9031|talk]]) 23:16, 13 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::If somebody wants to know if somebody died, they just have to read the text. If we really need to add former member, Asuma would be a former member of team 10.[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 23:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::What if someone quickly wants to know a character's signature abilities? They can read the article. What if they want to quickly know what village each member of Akatsuki originates from? They can read the article. If they're too lazy to do that then they desperately need help. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 02:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Spelling and Grammar == |
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The page is semi-protected, so I can't fix any spelling or grammar mistakes I find, so I thought I'd start a section in the talk page for errors, which hopefully someone else can fix for me. |
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:The section on Tobi uses the word "hace", which does not exist; in context, it seems clear that the author meant "face". |
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:The article on Deidara contains "was as", which is invalid grammar. My best guess for what it's supposed to say is "was working as". <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.234.28.100|71.234.28.100]] ([[User talk:71.234.28.100|talk]]) 08:06, 8 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Itachi is still alive in 397 == |
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It is clearly shown him and Nagato in a conversation. Itachi is blinded from Mangekyo Overuse, and Nagato heals his eyes. [[Special:Contributions/121.91.77.69|121.91.77.69]] ([[User talk:121.91.77.69|talk]]) 10:29, 9 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:Show me the link. [[User:Sasuke9031|Sasuke9031]] ([[User talk:Sasuke9031|talk]]) 10:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::397 didn't come out yet, and we usually don't add anything until the actual chapter is out, not just the spoiler. (plus, Itachi's dead, so I don't know how he would be having a conversation) [[User:Jazz Band Member|Jazz Band Member]] ([[User talk:Jazz Band Member|talk]]) 10:10, 10 April 2008 (UTC) |
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397 finally aired. Nevertheless it has not been stated or leastly indicated that itachi is still alive. It seems more likely that itachi is really dead guys, refering to tobi's statement saying that itachi implanted all his three final eye techniques into sasuke to protect him from, as likely as not, tobi/madara. |
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please read the latest chapter! --[[User:Tommyss|Tommyss]] ([[User talk:Tommyss|talk]]) 09:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:Itachi's dead, he gave his powers to Sasuke in an attempt to both protect him and kill Madara and now Madara's gonna explain to Sasuke why Itachi was a goody-two-shoes all along. End of story, unless Kishi makes Itachi a Pain or something like that. [[User:AnimeNikkaJamal|AnimeNikkaJamal]] ([[User talk:AnimeNikkaJamal|talk]]) 13:23, 13 April 2008 (UTC) |
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In my opinion I think it should be added that Itachi is dead in his profile on this article. SasoriMan8395 5:04 P.M. April 14, 2008 <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SasoriMan8395|SasoriMan8395]] ([[User talk:SasoriMan8395|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SasoriMan8395|contribs]]) 21:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== About Itachi's true intentions == |
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In chapter 397 it is apperantly shown that Itachi was never truly evil. Because Madara Uchiha said that Itachi risked everything to protect the Shinobi world,the Leaf Village and most of all, Sasuke.But in his article, it gets the impression that he was evil.Any thoughts about that? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AngelicMasterMind|AngelicMasterMind]] ([[User talk:AngelicMasterMind|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngelicMasterMind|contribs]]) 21:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Well,I think that right now,the extent of what Itachi did is pretty vauge,so it should probably be kept how it is until the next chapter in May,when we should be able to make a complete statement on the matter.[[User:XLS724|XLS724]] ([[User talk:XLS724|talk]]) 17:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Uchiha Itachi |
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Itachi alive,when chapter 399 itachi with together Kisame <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/125.162.80.102|125.162.80.102]] ([[User talk:125.162.80.102|talk]]) 15:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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How can there be a chapter 399? right now it is just 397 <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.212.129.140|76.212.129.140]] ([[User talk:76.212.129.140|talk]]) 02:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Probably just a flashback. Naruto is notorious for those. [[User:Sasuke9031|Sasuke9031]] ([[User talk:Sasuke9031|talk]]) 21:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:: People, this is just a twist in the story. naruto creators do it all the time. its common ammong entertainment. The whole thing about tobi being madara was a plot twist. this is just another one to keep the ratings up for naruto. The media does this more often than naruto eats ramen(sorry, just though i could use a funny analagie hehe..) -[[User:Tobi4242|Tobi4242]] ([[User talk:Tobi4242|talk]]) 20:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Agh! Thankyou Tobi4242 for having sense amongst a lot of the narutofan community. A lot of people seem to forget that Naruto is JUST A STORY NOT REAL LIFE, and as a story, it HAS to have plot twists to keep ratings up. Tobi 'apparently' being Madara is one of them, Itachi now apparently actually being a good guy (something I actually thought the whole time) is also among them. It then raises the suspiscion that perhaps Kisame has good intentions despite his sadistic comments (Kisame was said to be banished for deaths of feudral lords and planned assassinations, this could be because the government in the Water Country was corrupt and Kisame was fighting for the free peoples. This would also explain why Itachi and Kisame are the only non-rain combo who get along). That said,...Tobi is definately Obito. I'm not ruling out that Madara will have an appearence or is in possession of Obito, but the body of Tobi is Obito for ratings sake. Whats more interesting? Sasuke meeting an age old ancestor (YAWN)? Or Kakashi meeting up with his good friend and teammate now his enemy (YEAH! COOL!) I think the answer is obvious. Theres tons of reasons why Tobi is Obito anyway. Hello? Earth Jutsu, and Obito was last seen surrounded by who? Earth Country Ninja. And please don't use the 'But thats too obvious to be a plot twist!' argument, remember the 4th hokage and naruto? zomg I never guessed they were related! [[User:DrTheKay|DrTheKay]] ([[User talk:DrTheKay|talk]]) 08:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)DrTheKay |
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::::[[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] and [[Wikipedia:No original research]]. Take your speculation elsewhere. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Sephiroth BCR|<font color="navy">'''Sephiroth BCR'''</font>]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Sephiroth BCR|<font color="blue">Converse</font>]])'''</sup></font> 08:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Volume 41 cover is a better view of the Akatsuki == |
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http://www.leafninja.com/images/volume/Volume41CoverBig.jpg |
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This is a much better view of the Akatsuki than our current one. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Alwayssummerdays|Alwayssummerdays]] ([[User talk:Alwayssummerdays|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alwayssummerdays|contribs]]) 16:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Current image: 2 characters are not visible. |
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:Doesn't seem to be much of an improvement. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 16:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Merge == |
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I think we've dodged the issue long enough. People have gone on and on about "future notability" and "unfeasible merging," but we're really sidestepping the issue. We aren't going to get significant reception in the near future (or perhaps ever), and if there ever really is reception given, it will be for specific characters (Itachi, maybe Deidara). [[List of Naruto villains]] has been cleared to the point where this merge is entirely feasible also. Besides the characters, the content on this page is a giant load of in-universe details that look more appropriate for the ''Naruto'' wikia. Merging is best. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Sephiroth BCR|<font color="navy">'''Sephiroth BCR'''</font>]] <sup>'''([[User talk:Sephiroth BCR|<font color="blue">Converse</font>]])'''</sup></font> 05:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:I agree. This should be cleaned up and merged into the villain list. The only items not sourced from manga volumes are the voice actors. The group as a whole seems to have no real world notability and significant coverage. [[User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]) 06:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::<s>I'm kinda on the fence with this one. On the one hand, the merge would satisfy the notability problem that this article is facing, and also combine the Tobi/Madara sections making them easier to read, but on the other hand, we already have three outside sources, I think, (Is the Anime News Network considered an outside source, because I think so) which leads me to believe that the next time I overdo it on the Monster and can't sleep, I can find even more from them regarding Akatsuki. I think templating for merge is the step that should be taken at this point and I would be more than willing to do so.</s> [[User:Sasuke9031|Sasuke9031]] ([[User talk:Sasuke9031|talk]]) 06:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:I agree with the merge (thanks sephiroth for the message). I remember making [[User talk:Tintor2/ draft#Itachi Uchiha (Yes, this still lacks a lot)|this draft]] with reception of Itachi Uchiha and I could find almost nothing (and dont even think about conception). Also, the sections wardrobe, goal and overview are overdetailed (for example the rings) and most editors may one day take this article to AFD (again).[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 13:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC) |
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If Tobi and Madara Uchiha are merged, I guess his name will still be Tobi, right?[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 16:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::I remember when I said that the Naruto information on Wikipedia would one day be reduced to a single generic picture and a paragraph. I think this merge is another step in that direction. [[Special:Contributions/24.131.8.253|24.131.8.253]] ([[User talk:24.131.8.253|talk]]) 18:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::And if I remember correctly, that statement was the result of a bad faith deletion nomination, which this clearly is not. At this point, per [[WP:CRYSTAL]] I say go ahead an merge. Having had time to really think about it, I suspect that in the future, say Novemberish, when Shippuden is supposed to come out in English, we may get more reception, however, since WP is not a crystal ball, I say go ahead with the '''merge''' and we can reconvene if and when that does happen. Lord knows, we don't need two entries on Tobi/Madara. [[User:Sasuke9031|Sasuke9031]] ([[User talk:Sasuke9031|talk]]) 19:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:::If you were to merge it, it would be like putting Orochimaru on that list. This artical has a lot of important information that would be lost if it were to be merged. I say no to the merge. [[User:Jazz Band Member|Jazz Band Member]] ([[User talk:Jazz Band Member|talk]]) 11:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Could you tell me what is the important information that would be lost? Important info such as what beasts they have now or their methods of whatever wouldnt be lost, only overdetailed info such as those rings may be deleted. If it is by relevance in the plot that is not important.--[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 13:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC) |
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'''Support merge'''. No out-of-universe, and now that we have '''FOUR''' GA's, there isn't an excuse to keep in-universe articles anymore. While Naruto and Gaara can make GA, the rest, besides current GAs, should be merged. This includes Akatsuki, Jiraiya, and Tsunade. I am concerned on how the merge will turn out, however. What info will be kept and lost? [[User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares|Artist Formerly Known As Whocares]] ([[User talk:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares|talk]]) 23:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC) |
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== Tobi/madara uchiha article mergings == |
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just to let you guys know, i merged both of tobi and madara's articles into one main article. Its proven that tobi is madara in one of the latest chapters, so therefore it shall be merged. any of you can make any corrections to article as you wish. i also deleted the other madara uchiha article. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.27.8.200|65.27.8.200]] ([[User talk:65.27.8.200|talk]]) 23:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== hello == |
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anyone hear what i had just said earlier?. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.27.8.200|65.27.8.200]] ([[User talk:65.27.8.200|talk]]) 23:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== new article? == |
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i think that there should be new tobi/madara uchiha article. Or merge and revise the article a little bit. anyone agree with me? |
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Akatsuki (Naruto) was merged to List of Naruto villains#Akatsuki per the consensus reached during lengthy discussions (archived here). As such, this talk page is, for all practical purposes, an archive and no new discussions should be started here. All discussions regarding the merged Akatsuki contents should be taken to Talk:List of Naruto villains.
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Redirect to subheading Akatsuki instead of Antagonist. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 20:27, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Done --Redrose64 (talk) 20:53, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
