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== Viciebsk, Vitebsk or others e== |
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Why keep this weird name? Russian and Belarusian are both state languages in the country, so we should determine which spelling is the most frequently used. In google search, Vitebsk yields 831 000 hits, as compared to 12 400 for Vitsebsk. So, the former spelling is 67 times more popular than the latter. Let's move it to the standard English name. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirlandajo]] 13:28, 14 November 2005 (UTC) |
Why keep this weird name? Russian and Belarusian are both state languages in the country, so we should determine which spelling is the most frequently used. In google search, Vitebsk yields 831 000 hits, as compared to 12 400 for Vitsebsk. So, the former spelling is 67 times more popular than the latter. Let's move it to the standard English name. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirlandajo]] 13:28, 14 November 2005 (UTC) |
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::::Actually, the choice is pretty much between Viciebsk and Vitebsk. "Vitsebsk" does not accurately reflect Belarusian pronounciation, and seems to imply "Віцэбск" instead of "Віцебск". The [[Special:Contributions&target=193.111.129.189|user's]] hostility is completely unjustified. I might also add that his (her?) only contributions so far have been the "correcting" of Belarusian names. We should go ahead with the name change. [[User:Kazak|Kazak]] 20:48, 20 February 2006 (UTC) |
::::Actually, the choice is pretty much between Viciebsk and Vitebsk. "Vitsebsk" does not accurately reflect Belarusian pronounciation, and seems to imply "Віцэбск" instead of "Віцебск". The [[Special:Contributions&target=193.111.129.189|user's]] hostility is completely unjustified. I might also add that his (her?) only contributions so far have been the "correcting" of Belarusian names. We should go ahead with the name change. [[User:Kazak|Kazak]] 20:48, 20 February 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::"Viciebsk" is the proper romanisation of Belarusian "Віцебск" based on [[Łacinka]]. [[User:Atitarev|Anatoli]] ([[User talk:Atitarev|talk]]) 01:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::Ты охренел отменять беларусских язык. В таком случае может США наконец поглотит Англию? [[Special:Contributions/37.212.27.63|37.212.27.63]] ([[User talk:37.212.27.63|talk]]) 14:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Please wikify this list of people who stayed in Vitebsk == |
== Please wikify this list of people who stayed in Vitebsk == |
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Vasil Bykaŭ |
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Kazimierz Siemienowicz |
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==Illegible== |
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Without punctuation, I can't distinguish the names in that list (except now that I'm editing it, and the names show up in a column). |
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==Founding myth?== |
==Founding myth?== |
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The administrative district named after this city has had its name changed to [[Witebsk Voivodeship]], along with [[Nowogródek Voivodeship (1507-1795)]] and [[Połock Voivodeship]]. There is a discussion of the moves and voting at [[Talk:Nowogródek Voivodeship (1507-1795)]]. [[User:Novickas|Novickas]] 14:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC) |
The administrative district named after this city has had its name changed to [[Witebsk Voivodeship]], along with [[Nowogródek Voivodeship (1507-1795)]] and [[Połock Voivodeship]]. There is a discussion of the moves and voting at [[Talk:Nowogródek Voivodeship (1507-1795)]]. [[User:Novickas|Novickas]] 14:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC) |
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==Thrived at the crossroads== |
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I'm not sure whether it was the principality or Vitebsk which "thrived at the crossroads. [[User:Unfree|Unfree]] ([[User talk:Unfree|talk]]) 21:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC) |
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==City or shtetl== |
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Aren't cities large by definition, and shtetls likewise small? If so, Vitebsk couldn't be both a city and a shtetl. [[User:Unfree|Unfree]] ([[User talk:Unfree|talk]]) 21:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC) |
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== Changing the name == |
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Hello! |
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There is an official [[Instruction on transliteration of Belarusian geographical names with letters of Latin script]]. Could You kindly change the name of the article from '''Vitebsk''' to correct '''Viciebsk'''? --[[User:Belarus2578|Belarus2578]] ([[User talk:Belarus2578|talk]]) 22:59, 17 August 2014 (UTC) |
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== Etymology == |
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Basing on older Vitebsk names - Vidbesk, Videbsk, Vitepesk, it seems, that the origin of river ''Vitba'' name is [[Baltic languages|Baltic]] ''Vidupe'' - 'middle river' and further ''Vidupe + ska > Vidupeska > Videbeska >> Vitebsk''. Roberts7 14:00, 3 May 2015 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Roberts7|Roberts7]] ([[User talk:Roberts7|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Roberts7|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Viciebsk, Vitebsk or others e
[edit]Why keep this weird name? Russian and Belarusian are both state languages in the country, so we should determine which spelling is the most frequently used. In google search, Vitebsk yields 831 000 hits, as compared to 12 400 for Vitsebsk. So, the former spelling is 67 times more popular than the latter. Let's move it to the standard English name. --Ghirlandajo 13:28, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
- Yes. I totally agree. I also propose to ban Belarusian language in Belarus and in Wikipedia. And, I would like Russia to occupy and absorb Belarus. I'm surprised no one except Ghirlandajo came up with those cool ideas.
- Your personal attacks have nothing to do with my proposal. If Dublin is Dublin and not Baile Átha Cliath, it doesn't mean that Irish language should be banned and Britain should absorb Belarus. Your lack of logic is quite characteristic of Polish editors here. --Ghirlandajo 14:32, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
- Ghirlandajo, oh, why are you backing off so quickly? You've made such brilliant proposals, and now you are getting scared? Please stop for a moment and think about your own life. Your self-assigned duty of working as a watchdog of "Russophobia" and spreading Russian imperial propaganda in Belarus- and Ukraine-related articles is nothing but a virtual game. You are a grown-up, aren't you? Isn't it time to stop playing with the toys? You should go to Belarus and protect Russian language with a Kalashnikov (another brilliant Russian invention) instead of wasting time on pushing Russian POV on American web servers.
- Actually, the choice is pretty much between Viciebsk and Vitebsk. "Vitsebsk" does not accurately reflect Belarusian pronounciation, and seems to imply "Віцэбск" instead of "Віцебск". The user's hostility is completely unjustified. I might also add that his (her?) only contributions so far have been the "correcting" of Belarusian names. We should go ahead with the name change. Kazak 20:48, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- "Viciebsk" is the proper romanisation of Belarusian "Віцебск" based on Łacinka. Anatoli (talk) 01:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- Ты охренел отменять беларусских язык. В таком случае может США наконец поглотит Англию? 37.212.27.63 (talk) 14:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
Please wikify this list of people who stayed in Vitebsk
[edit]Other residents: Kazimir Malevich Nicholas II of Russia Władysław II Jagiełło Ossip Zadkine Pavel Sukhoi Hermann Hoth Vladimir Tatlin El Lissitzky Nikolai Yezhov Mikhail Bakhtin Ivan Chernyakhovsky Jeffrey Shallit Ivan Konev George Reavey Ryhor Reles Jacob Pavlovitch Adler Isser Harel Sonya Adler Nina & Lena Demetrius I Starshiy Tadeusz Dołęga-Mostowicz Ferdynand Antoni Ossendowski Dmitri Markov Sergey Muravyov-Apostol Iosif Amusin Bella Rosenfeld Rivkin Ivan Puni David Günzburg Mikhail Nikolayevich Muravyov-Vilensky Natalia Podolskaya Solomon Zeitlin Josaphat Kuncevyc David Pinski Gustaw Herling-Grudziński Natalya Baranovskaya Vasil Bykaŭ Kazimierz Siemienowicz
Illegible
[edit]Without punctuation, I can't distinguish the names in that list (except now that I'm editing it, and the names show up in a column).
Founding myth?
[edit]for reasons unknown, the most likely being vanity. <!--The vanity refers to a highly improbable legend that Princess Olga of Kiev (why not Julius Caesar?) ordered a city to be founded there on the site of an old Krivichi settlement.-->
It may well be vanity, but putting covert editorial opinion [1] into the article isn't the way to handle it. If it's the city's official founding myth - and many credible sites such as the State Medical University mention the story [2] - then it should go in (just as the Rome article mentions Romulus and Remus). Gordonofcartoon 02:23, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Name change
[edit]The administrative district named after this city has had its name changed to Witebsk Voivodeship, along with Nowogródek Voivodeship (1507-1795) and Połock Voivodeship. There is a discussion of the moves and voting at Talk:Nowogródek Voivodeship (1507-1795). Novickas 14:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Thrived at the crossroads
[edit]I'm not sure whether it was the principality or Vitebsk which "thrived at the crossroads. Unfree (talk) 21:15, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
City or shtetl
[edit]Aren't cities large by definition, and shtetls likewise small? If so, Vitebsk couldn't be both a city and a shtetl. Unfree (talk) 21:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Changing the name
[edit]Hello!
There is an official Instruction on transliteration of Belarusian geographical names with letters of Latin script. Could You kindly change the name of the article from Vitebsk to correct Viciebsk? --Belarus2578 (talk) 22:59, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Etymology
[edit]Basing on older Vitebsk names - Vidbesk, Videbsk, Vitepesk, it seems, that the origin of river Vitba name is Baltic Vidupe - 'middle river' and further Vidupe + ska > Vidupeska > Videbeska >> Vitebsk. Roberts7 14:00, 3 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roberts7 (talk • contribs)
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