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Tonight's edition of documentary series Martina Cole's Lady Killers was about Rose West. It was stated in the programme that Rose was bisexual. Is that sufficient evidence for her bisexuality to be included in the article, and for LGBT and bi categories to be added? [[User:Werdnawerdna|Werdnawerdna]] ([[User talk:Werdnawerdna|talk]]) 21:53, 3 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:You could use the same reference as is used [[List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people: W-Z|here]], but if the TV programme appears to have been researched properly and isn't presented in tabloid style, that should also be adequate. --[[User:Rodhullandemu|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000FF">Rodhull</span>]][[User_talk:Rodhullandemu|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#FF0000">andemu</span>]] 21:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC) |
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The names and details of their children are not shown with accompanying citations and should their details really be given to this degree when they are not central to the article.[[User:Nirame|Nirame]] ([[User talk:Nirame|talk]]) 02:48, 20 June 2011 (UTC) |
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-- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 12:06, 23 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Was her father ever convicted of anything? It says here he abused her as a child, had sex with her frequently when she was an adult, and he had sex with Fred's (underage?) daughter. Surely he didn't get away with all that once it was publicly known? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.174.108.74|94.174.108.74]] ([[User talk:94.174.108.74|talk]]) 17:22, 25 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Editing Talk: Rose West edit == |
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==Blending pages of Mr and Mrs West together== |
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Hello all! I am a student attending Indiana University of Pennsylvania. For my Eng 101 class, I am required to edit and revise a Wikipedia article of my choice. I've chosen this article because this is what I'm most interested in. Originally, I chose to edit the Fred West article, but upon reading over the article, there wasn't much for me to add. Upon reading the Rose West article, I noticed there was a lot of information that was missing from here. Throughout this article, I have added in information that was not included, added needed citations, and fixed grammatical errors. I tried the best I could to add important missing information and fix errors and add citations. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:JCarter823|JCarter823]] ([[User talk:JCarter823#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JCarter823|contribs]]) 16:39, 5 April 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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not sure if putting these pages together is a good idea but it would be a lot easier for the reader dont you think? [[User:Delighted eyes|Delighted eyes]] ([[User talk:Delighted eyes|talk]]) 14:14, 6 September 2011 (UTC) |
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== News of identity change == |
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I will suggest to not make any changes in the article to her apparent new identity. Her reported new identity is "Jennifer Jones", the only sources are [[WP:THESUN|The Sun]] and The/Daily Mirror. The Sun is deprecated, and Mirror needs backup from non-tabloid/independent outlets. Given this is also kinda [[WP:TOOSOON]], it shouldn't be published until better consensus comes about. -- [[User:Tytrox|Tytrox]] ([[User talk:Tytrox|talk]]) 09:48, 25 December 2020 (UTC) |
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citation for children with clients will this photo of tara west do? |
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2033758/Fred-West-drama-Appropriate-Adult-dangerous-nonsense.html |
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== Bisexual == |
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Is there a reliable source showing she identifies as Bisexual. The book cited only mentions a Sun newspaper article"Evil Rose becomes slimline sex siren for her lesbian jail.." To be included in the LGBT doesnt the person need to be shown describing themselves as such?[[User:RafikiSykes|RafikiSykes]] ([[User talk:RafikiSykes|talk]]) 14:49, 18 September 2011 (UTC) |
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The result of the move request was: page moved. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 17:54, 12 March 2021 (UTC) |
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[[:Rosemary West]] → {{no redirect|Rose West}} – Per [[WP:COMMONNAME]] all news outlets have always referred to her as Rose. In the same way the [[Fred West|Frederick West]] uses Fred. Rosemary should be the redirect [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7D:8A4D:2D00:8160:956D:26FA:D072|2A02:C7D:8A4D:2D00:8160:956D:26FA:D072]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7D:8A4D:2D00:8160:956D:26FA:D072|talk]]) 15:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC) |
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"Fred West is known to have carried out 11 murders. Rosemary West had no involvement in the first two." But the [[Fred West]] article lists 11 victims, the first of which is Charmaine, allegedly killed by Rose alone. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:24, 11 February 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' Common-name. Always refered to as Rose West, or indeed, Fred and Rose. '''[[User:Lugnuts|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts|Fire Walk with Me]]</sup> 08:31, 7 March 2021 (UTC) |
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== Whole life tariff == |
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== Move discussion in progress == |
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The section on whole life tarrif review should be removed as per this edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rosemary_West&oldid=596062925]. In today's [http://news.sky.com/story/1213448/whole-life-sentences-are-legal-say-judges news] is the fact that whole life tariffs remain legal in the UK. There is therefore no need for an out of date section that was unsourced and says a review will happen that will not. [[User:Lineslarge|Lineslarge]] ([[User talk:Lineslarge|talk]]) 18:54, 18 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:I would like find a source for the first ruling and then to rewrite the paragraph to tell the whole story of how this issue affects the West case. However I am heading into a meeting and will be unable to make the edits until later today. If you could leave the article as is for now, I will make these changes later today. — <span style="border:2px solid black;margin-top:2px;bottom:2px;font- verdana;background:#09B9B9">[[User:Wtwilson3|<font color="black">''' Bill W. ''']]</font></span> <small>([[User_talk:Wtwilson3|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Wtwilson3|Contrib]])</small> — 19:03, 18 February 2014 (UTC) |
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::Are you going to add that section to the pages of each of the 53 people who have a whole life sentence? I think that would be excessive. I agree that the content you are proposing should be in the encyclopaedia but think a better place would be [[Whole life tariff]]. Would that be acceptable? [[User:Lineslarge|Lineslarge]] ([[User talk:Lineslarge|talk]]) 19:27, 18 February 2014 (UTC) |
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::: Sounds good considering there is already a link to that article in this one. I've already removed the passage we've been talking about. Thanks for the discussion. — <span style="border:2px solid black;margin-top:2px;bottom:2px;font- verdana;background:#09B9B9">[[User:Wtwilson3|<font color="black">''' Bill W. ''']]</font></span> <small>([[User_talk:Wtwilson3|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Wtwilson3|Contrib]])</small> — 14:40, 19 February 2014 (UTC) |
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Aside from two victims (Charmaine and her mother), and then much later, Heather, there's essentially no information here regarding the seven other murders they committed. What gives? [[Special:Contributions/68.60.202.174|68.60.202.174]] ([[User talk:68.60.202.174|talk]]) 10:19, 11 December 2022 (UTC) |
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*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090214202128/http://crimeandinvestigation.co.uk:80/famous_criminal/3/biography/1/Rosemary_West.htm to http://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/famous_criminal/3/biography/1/Rosemary_West.htm |
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In this article Rose's prostitution room is called "Mandy's room", the article about her husband calls it "Rose's room". Which one is correct? [[User:Glamourqueen|Glamourqueen]] ([[User talk:Glamourqueen|talk]]) 22:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC) |
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Can we have a list of the children and their year of birth (and maybe some information about their later life as far as publicly known)? While reading I always got confused about the who's who and how old they were during the different instances. [[User:Glamourqueen|Glamourqueen]] ([[User talk:Glamourqueen|talk]]) 22:45, 17 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:I incorporated the list in the article. Maybe this could be a starting point to focus the cluttered information about them in this and in the Fred West article in a more comprehend way. I guess it could be of interest for readers. (For clarification: I am just referring to what is publicly known about the children, not to invade any privacy.) [[User:Glamourqueen|Glamourqueen]] ([[User talk:Glamourqueen|talk]]) 14:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC) |
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[edit]Hello all! I am a student attending Indiana University of Pennsylvania. For my Eng 101 class, I am required to edit and revise a Wikipedia article of my choice. I've chosen this article because this is what I'm most interested in. Originally, I chose to edit the Fred West article, but upon reading over the article, there wasn't much for me to add. Upon reading the Rose West article, I noticed there was a lot of information that was missing from here. Throughout this article, I have added in information that was not included, added needed citations, and fixed grammatical errors. I tried the best I could to add important missing information and fix errors and add citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JCarter823 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
News of identity change
[edit]I will suggest to not make any changes in the article to her apparent new identity. Her reported new identity is "Jennifer Jones", the only sources are The Sun and The/Daily Mirror. The Sun is deprecated, and Mirror needs backup from non-tabloid/independent outlets. Given this is also kinda WP:TOOSOON, it shouldn't be published until better consensus comes about. -- Tytrox (talk) 09:48, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 17:54, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Rosemary West → Rose West – Per WP:COMMONNAME all news outlets have always referred to her as Rose. In the same way the Frederick West uses Fred. Rosemary should be the redirect 2A02:C7D:8A4D:2D00:8160:956D:26FA:D072 (talk) 15:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Common-name. Always refered to as Rose West, or indeed, Fred and Rose. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:31, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
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Nothing about the victims?
[edit]Aside from two victims (Charmaine and her mother), and then much later, Heather, there's essentially no information here regarding the seven other murders they committed. What gives? 68.60.202.174 (talk) 10:19, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Name of the room
[edit]In this article Rose's prostitution room is called "Mandy's room", the article about her husband calls it "Rose's room". Which one is correct? Glamourqueen (talk) 22:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
List of children
[edit]Can we have a list of the children and their year of birth (and maybe some information about their later life as far as publicly known)? While reading I always got confused about the who's who and how old they were during the different instances. Glamourqueen (talk) 22:45, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I incorporated the list in the article. Maybe this could be a starting point to focus the cluttered information about them in this and in the Fred West article in a more comprehend way. I guess it could be of interest for readers. (For clarification: I am just referring to what is publicly known about the children, not to invade any privacy.) Glamourqueen (talk) 14:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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