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The result was delete‎. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rama Pratama

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Stats stub with notability concerns. I can't find anything that would support a passing of WP:SPORTBASIC or any other guideline. Bola is a mere squad listing, Tribun News is a brief quote, and Detik News is another squad listing. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 19:19, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: fails WP:SPORTSBASIC, and only trivial mentions in minimal sources. Azarctic (talk) 20:57, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:21, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reeves Cini

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Potentially fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC. The article is currently sourced to a stats page and Facebook, both of which clearly are not acceptable. My own searches yield nothing better than the likes of Match Centre and Times of Malta, which do not provide significant enough coverage for a stand-alone article on Cini. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 10:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you're struggling to find news sources that discuss Cini in significant depth then the likelihood is that they don't exist. Also worth noting that Wikipedia is not a place for making your favourite footballers 'more recognisable'. You should only be writing about footballers that already have plenty of coverage. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 13:25, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also another thing that makes me MORE heartbroken about this situation is that an article like Dexter Xuereb is allowed and mine is NOT. WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY ARTICLE!?. Just wanted to make footballers more recognizable :( GabrylMT(Talk to Gabryl) 14:51, 1 September 2024 (CEST)
  • Feel free to nominate Dexter Xuereb for AfD if you don't find sources for that article. Two differences compared to Cini that I see: 1. Xuereb has made more professional performances, 2. He has made an appearance for the senior national team. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 13:35, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regan Frame

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Originally a PROD by User:Fram, which I fully supported. Sources have been added but none of them satisfy WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG as all are database sources or passing mentions. The subject is playing in the second tier of New Zealand and the best that I can find on him is Friends of Football. I fail to see how Frame is notable. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 09:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I also fail to Frame is notable. I wasn't able to find other sources mentioning him. Alexeyevitch(talk) 07:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. This decision is based on the quality of the sourcing, not the nationality of the article subject. Liz Read! Talk! 03:01, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zean Leonardi

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fails WP:SPORTCRIT the source provided is a database. The only source that pop up in google news is the this by Times of Malta Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 02:39, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there aren't any more references out there then it's safe to say that Leonardi isn't notable. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 13:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 21:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gehard Hasa

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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Played 10 minutes in Albania's highest league and 13 games in the semi-pro second tier.

Sources in the article aren’t about him. Both is about the squad, with this to say about Hasa: ”Gerhard Hasa from striker has been adapted to right back” + “The innovation was the activation of striker Gehard Hasa as right back, another sector where Partizan has problems”. This is a friendly match report.

This comes much closer to significant coverage, but since his career didn’t pan out, that article also seems a bit inconsequential. What do you think? Geschichte (talk) 20:22, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrej Petrovský

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This Slovak men's footballer, who seems to have never played in any European top-tier clubs, was deemed non-notable back in 2015 AfD discussion. I have searched his name in conjunction with *any club he has played for* and "site:.sk", but couldn't find any significant coverage that would suggest he is now notable per WP:GNG only, as NFOOTBALL no longer exists. The best secondary source I found was AktualitySK, which only mentions Petrovský in an image caption when he played for Skalica in 2016. Excluding database sources, I only found namesakes and a lot of hits about the unrelated ice hockey player Servac Petrovský. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:23, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to West African Football Union#Defunct competitions. where it can be added. If it is not done in sufficient time, RFD can handle this Star Mississippi 12:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WAFU U20 Women's Cup

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 06:03, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 22:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alban Dashi

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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Minor career with 13, probably not full, games in Albania’s highest league and an obscure stint in leagues below that. I could not find any significant coverage whatsoever. Geschichte (talk) 18:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 22:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mikel Hoxha

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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Played 74 minutes in Albania's highest league and 10 games in the semi-pro second tier. I could not find significant coverage. Hits like this is obviously another person by the same name. Geschichte (talk) 18:31, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. In the future, I recommend working on articles in Draft or User space where notability guidelines do not apply. Liz Read! Talk! 22:11, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FC Fortuna Sharhorod

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No indication of WP:NORG notability. C F A 💬 21:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Svartner, well, at one point the club had professional status. Although for a short period, it also one of three clubs in its region ever competing among professional teams. Right now, it seems to be existing as an amateur club that is based on a team of football veterans. It would be a pity to lose all the information I provided, but I guess, "que sera, sera". Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 01:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:29, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eduardo Bravo

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of the subject, a Mexican former footballer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:53, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong keep - found two sources, very quickly, that indicate some form of notability, especially in the realm of Mexican football. This source and this source, which explain how he would make his debut in the Liga MX at age 29 due to the starting goalkeeper's injury, and this source (comes from here), which I think is really strong as a contribution towards WP:GNG. Talks about how he got his shot to play in the first division for the first time at age 29, talks about his past with UAEM and Atlante, and how he was one of a group of players who went from Cancun to Queretaro after a club was rebought. Pinging GiantSnowman as requested, and Azarctic because why not. Paul Vaurie (talk) 00:07, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Source 1 - nothing towards GNG, Source 2 has zero GNG, source 3 and 4 (the same thing) has 7 lines specifically on Bravo. This is not a GNG pass based on the sources provided. Dougal18 (talk) 14:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So what you're saying is that source 3/4 does confer something towards GNG. Here is what it says specifically about him (excluding the title): Eduardo Bravo se convirtió en el nuevo portero de la Liga MX, al debutar la tarde de este sábado en el arco del Querétaro. [...] Alex Diego –necesitado del triunfo para seguir con vida en el Guard1anes 2020– tuvo que acudir a su tercer arquero, Bravo, quien nunca había jugado en Primera División. [...] Formado en las categorías inferiores del Toluca, el tapatío, de 29 años de edad, ha tenido procesos en la Segunda División, con la Universidad Autónoma del Estado de México, y en 2015 pasó al Atlante. [...] Este portero fue uno de los futbolistas que emigró de Cancún a Querétaro, cuando el grupo inversionista adquirió la franquicia de los Gallos Blancos, durante el verano. En el semestre, Bravo apenas había disputado tres partidos con la Sub-20, en los cuales recibió nueve anotaciones. I'll let you do some Google translate. This content is honestly quite solid. It's five significant, long sentences. Talks about him and there's nothing WP:ROUTINE about it. It goes more than just surface level. This source clearly counts towards GNG, no question about it. It meets all the criteria. Sources 1 and 2 are a bit more shaky, but here's what they say on him: La lesión del guardameta titular, Gil Alcalá, obligó al Querétaro a utilizar a Eduardo Bravo, quien no tenía experiencia en la Primera División. [...] A los 29 años de edad, el portero Eduardo Bravo debutó este sábado en la Primera División con el Querétaro en el duelo ante Necaxa, debido a la lesión del guardameta titular Gil Alcalá, quien sufrió una lesión muscular y estará fuera de actividad de dos a tres semanas. [...] Ante esa situación, el cuerpo técnico encabezado por el estratega Álex Diego no tuvo alternativa que debutar a Bravo. and Gallos de Querétaro debutó este sábado frente a Necaxa al portero mexicano Eduardo Bravo Ávila, de 29 años de edad, para el partido de la Jornada 15 del Guard1anes 2020 BBVA MX. Bravo estará en lugar de Gil Alcalá... Although there is much less true content here, I think that the first source just scrapes by GNG criteria for "significant coverage" (it addresses Bravo directly and in detail, it's NOT just a trivial mention of him). All other criteria is easily passed. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:12, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dougal18: And if that wasn't enough, here is more significant coverage on him. It can be found here. It says Jugador del partido: El debut: De acuerdo a un comunicado de prensa, con 29 años de edad, Eduardo Bravo debutó en la portería de Gallos Blancos, el arquero comenzó su formación en la Sub-20 con la escuadra de Toluca, tuvo un breve paso con la UAEM, para después regresar con los Escarlatas. Para el Apertura 2012, regresó a la UAEM hasta el Clausura 2015 en el Apertura 2015 mudó de equipo, se enfundó con la playera de Atlante y para el Apertura 2020 llegó a reforzar al cuadro queretano. Esta tarde jugó 90 minutos. Once again, this is clearly GNG-passing— it meets all the criteria, from presumed to independent of the subject. It passes the "significant coverage" criteria, most notably. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:28, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's one event sourced multiple times. "De acuerdo a un comunicado de prensa" translates as "According to a press release" therefore disqualifying that a source.Dougal18 (talk) 08:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's still a secondary source, independent of the subject. Not disqualifying at all. Paul Vaurie (talk) 04:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Subject fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Of the above mentioned sources, all are from the same date so that fails WP:SUSTAINED coverage. Two of the sources are also from the same publication, so the count as one for the purposes of establishing notability. All that said, none of the sources have anything significant on the subject, only that he his making his league debut at the age of 29. It simply isn't enough for a GNG pass. Alvaldi (talk) 17:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. All four links are utterly routine transactional reports derived from the same press release and do not count at all towards GNG. The last one is also trivial. As Alvaldi mentions, another requirement of notability is SUSTAINED coverage, and that is objectively failed if all we have are four refactored press announcements from the same day. JoelleJay (talk) 02:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Here's the press release. Clearly fails WP:N's requirement for independence, emph mine: It is common for multiple newspapers or journals to publish the same story, sometimes with minor alterations or different headlines, but one story does not constitute multiple works. Several journals simultaneously publishing different articles does not always constitute multiple works, especially when the authors are relying on the same sources, and merely restating the same information. JoelleJay (talk) 02:28, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The sources brought into the conversation above are not WP:SIGCOV; they are WP:ROUTINE coverage to be expected about a changeup in team rosters, or they are routine match coverage. They don't get us to WP:NSPORT or WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:30, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Complex/Rational 13:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Patrik Brezina

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I cannot find any evidence of notability for Slovak men's footballer to meet WP:GNG. His playing career was confined to lower leagues, having last played for Zlaté Moravce in 2014 before suddenly disappearing. The only secondary sources I found are SME written in 2014 and 2018, both of which only mention him in an image caption. Using the keyword "Patrik Brezina" on Google find other men with the same name, failing WP:V too. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:46, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of football clubs in Sint Maarten. Liz Read! Talk! 01:40, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

758 Boyz SC

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Redirect to Sint Maarten Premier League List of football clubs in Sint Maarten as I cannot find any in-depth coverage of the team. JTtheOG (talk) 00:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:48, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leonel Navarrete

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Poorly sourced footballer. I did find this, but I don't think it's enough to pass WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 00:07, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Cook Islands international footballers. Liz Read! Talk! 20:58, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Branden Turepu

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Redirect to List of Cook Islands international footballers as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 20:10, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 06:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anastas Kristo

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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Very low-key career, played some games in Malta. The stints in Italy and Scotland were negligible, if he even played at all. Are there sources? There are stat databases, passing mentions. This is from a union he belongs to, so a primary source. Then there are some post-football, not-so-favourable coverage, which is at the same time far from meeting WP:PERP. Geschichte (talk) 06:51, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 06:59, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indrit Hithi

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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. 5 minutes in Albania's highest league and some seasons with very limited playing time in the semi-pro second tier where match attendance is in the hundreds. As for sources, I only found stat databases, Facebook posts, and short non-significant coverage such as this and this. Geschichte (talk) 06:54, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:26, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of foreign footballers in the Persian Gulf Pro League

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No sources, the sort of list that would be far better served by a category. Black Kite (talk) 18:30, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:47, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maura Paterson

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Fails GNG. The Daily Record is a tabloid therefore shouldn't be used in BLPs. Dougal18 (talk) 14:21, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 14:48, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtney McAvoy

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Fails GNG. The Edinburgh Evening News articles contain little on her and are far too quote heavy for sigcov. Dougal18 (talk) 14:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 08:01, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ervin Hallunaj

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Previously deleted. Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. 2 matches in Albania's highest league and four seasons in the semi-pro second tier. I only found sources that were databases, primary, Wordpress blog sites or trivial such as this. Geschichte (talk) 08:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 08:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arbër Deliu

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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Played 74 minutes in Albania's highest league and several seasons in the semi-pro second tier. I found no sources that weren't databases or otherwise not significant coverage. Geschichte (talk) 08:59, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Glorian Hoxha

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Only played 8 times on Albania's first tier and a further 11 matches on Albania's semi-professional second tier. Geschichte (talk) 09:51, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Xhoi Hajdëraj

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Failure of WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Only played 6 times on Albania's first tier and a further 21 matches on Albania's semi-professional second tier, though he still plays there an article is WP:TOOSOON. A WP:BEFORE found only stat sites, primary sources and passing mentions such as this. Geschichte (talk) 09:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 03:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yun Chol (footballer)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to 1992 AFC Asian Cup squads#North Korea. as an ATD. Liz Read! Talk! 05:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh Yong-nam

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lâm (talk) 19:29, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:08, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Smith (soccer, born 1999)

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Came up during the Wikiproject talk page discussion of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Wood (soccer), and Michael Smith looks equally far from meeting WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 21:18, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Malinaccier (talk) 18:56, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nikita Kukanov

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This is a basic stats stub and the Ukrainian Wikipedia article only has links to database sources. My own searches yielded UA Football, Pravda and Kramatorsk Post, none of which are even close to demonstrating WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 15:48, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a local publication from Volgodonsk, Russia Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 20:22, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Complex/Rational 12:32, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anton Kustinskiy

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Despite his 12 minutes of football for Dinamo Brest, I can find no significant coverage of him at all in Russian nor Belarusian Cyrillic. Belarusian Wikipedia has no decent sources either. No sign of WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:32, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:26, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mikail Akhmedov

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His only claim to notability is playing less than one minute in a cup game. Aside from that, I found Chechnya Today, which mentions him running a training session for kids at a local school, which, on its own, is not enough to pass WP:SPORTBASIC or WP:GNG, which require significant coverage in multiple independent sources. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:26, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:15, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dmitri Sesyavin

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Sesyavin only ever played 13 mins in a cup match for Rotor's senior team, which is not a particularly strong claim to notability. I found Rambler, which mentions him once in the match report and once in the squad list, and Sport 34, which only mentions him three times in the match report itself. This is far from enough to pass WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yaroslav Shcherbin

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Was presumed notable for 28 mins in a cup match. Shcherbin has played in the lower levels since and there is no sign of passing WP:SPORTBASIC. I found Infokam, which mentions him scoring a hat-trick in the Volgograd Region Championship, which I can only imagine is a very low level in the Russian football league structure. This is far from enough to pass our guidelines. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 12:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 06:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Samet Ruqi

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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Modest career with 5 games in Albania's highest league (according to Worldfootball) and several seasons in the semi-pro second tier. The best sources I could find were this short interview and this short transactional news piece. Geschichte (talk) 08:16, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 06:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fabiol Rexhepi

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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Only stat sites and passing mentions can be found. Modest career with 90 minutes in Albania's highest league and 41 games in the semi-pro second tier. Geschichte (talk) 08:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 06:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Chol-ho

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Football at the 2006 Asian Games – Men's team squads. Liz Read! Talk! 06:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Choe Chol-man

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Mobaraki

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This was deleted in 2022 with editors noting that they couldn't even find basic stats pages. It's been recreated with no additional evidence that this football player passes WP:NSPORT, much less WP:GNG. The only sources are WP:ROUTINE coverage of matches and transfers in Iran; no WP:SIGCOV at all and not even any of the common stats profile pages. There's also insufficient evidence for the claim he plays or played for Sporting CP B; the only source for that claim is this dodgy-looking article, but this player has never appeared on the Sporting CP B roster or anywhere on Sporting CP's website. Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify: the person lacks significant, in-depth coverages, he hasn’t the notability to merit a standalone page. Violates WP:NOTPROMO. Nihonjinatny (talk) 20:07, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 20:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brandon Farmelo

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer who appeared in one pro game as a teen. JTtheOG (talk) 18:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: As per nom, also adding that a BLP needs much better sourcing to stay online.
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 14:50, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdulrahman Rashid

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He has only played 21 mins of professional league football to date and none of the sources come even close to establishing a passing of WP:SPORTBASIC. The best Arabic source that I could find was Raya, which mentions him once only. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 13:13, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. I understand the original close and the factors that led there. The sources identified, depth discussed and subsequent discussion lead to the significant coverage required to retain this. Improvement may be needed, but there's sufficient sourcing with which to do so. Star Mississippi 12:39, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1940–41 Primera Fuerza season

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Only very minimal content inside the article and has no inline citations. The one and only source ([1]) is by the RSSSF, which collects statistics of every football result. Due to it lacking coverage in sources, it fails WP:GNG. Azarctic (talk) 01:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I am curious why you picked this season page out of all of them from 1902-03 to 1942-43. Technically there is nothing wrong with the article, it shows a historical table of what was then called an amateur league. However I believe the league did have good coverage in Mexican media. There maybe room for improvement, but in it's current form, I would combined all the league tables into one or maybe two articles. But historically, this league is part of the history of football in Mexico. So... also, how much WP:BEFORE did you do? I guess the coverage would be different in the 1940s due to WW2 and the political situation, so my bet is it's all about the offline sources anyway. Govvy (talk) 09:52, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    These tables are irrelevant anyway. It can’t be that significant if it’s getting 19 views per month either. All these seasonal articles should really be redirected to Primera Fuerza or deleted because there is barely anything in them in terms on content, which is why I picked this one because it has less content than the others, as well as barely any coverage. Azarctic (talk) 11:38, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 19:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Primera Fuerza - possible search term. GiantSnowman 19:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – Direct predecessor of the current Liga MX, there is a lack of sources but the notability exists. Svartner (talk) 11:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. A review of sources, and those in the Spanish-language article, would be helpful.
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Comment - just to be clear, deleting this article would also confer deleting every single "Primera Fuerza" season from 1902 to 1943. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:48, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, as this division is notable, and so are its seasons— important to note that it was the highest-level division in the country. Impossible for me to review and search all the Spanish-language offline sources, but the existence of sources such as Crónica del fútbol mexicano: Por amor a la camiseta and Historia General del Fútbol Mexicano and their usage as sources on the Spanish-language article suggest that they have material related to this specific season and the other seasons of this competition as well. Overall, it does us no good deleting this as it's clearly the highest level for football back then in Mexico, sets a bad precedent for football seasons in other countries too. The only reason this would be deleted is because it's hard to find offline sources, to dissect them, and to use them on Wikipedia. Which would be a shame. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:55, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And from experience, the RSSSF tends to be highly reliable for the tables of these older competitions. Svartner (talk) 18:10, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting as I see No consensus yet. I'll just add that we don't judge notability based on how many views an article gets per month but by whether reliable sources can demonstrate SIGCOV.
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Relisting comment: Final relist. I closed this discussion as a Redirect but several editors have challenged the closure (which I will post below this relisting) so I have reverted my closure and given the discussion a final relist and will have another closer review this discussion.
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  • This was my original closure of this discussion The result was redirect‎ to Primera Fuerza. Closing this as a Redirect as an ATD. Despite this AFD being open for 3 weeks, editors have failed to add a single reliable source to the article under discussion or bring one into this discussion so I can not close this as Keep. I encouraged editors to review sources in the Spanish language article but that didn't happen either. Liz Read! Talk! 03:14, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The three additional sources in the Spanish language version of this article at es:Liga Mayor 1940-41.[1][2][3] Two of them are offline (though I haven't dug deeply); but the third (a 286-page book discussing the first 110 years of Mexican football) can be reviewed at https://archive.org/details/oncedcadasdeftbo0000ramr. Aspects of the season are discussed in Chapter 9, particularly starting at page 77. Some of the references and bibliography at es:Campeonato de Primera Fuerza de la FMF/Liga Mayor#Bibliografía may also be relevant.
  1. ^ Galindo Zárate, Jesús (December 2007). Historia General del Fútbol Mexicano (Primera ed.). México: Francisco J. Camargo. pp. 84–85.
  2. ^ Calderón Cardoso, Carlos (July 1998). Crónica del fútbol mexicano: Por amor a la camiseta (Primera ed.). México: Clío.
  3. ^ Ramírez, Carlos F. (June 2010). 11 décadas de fútbol mexicano (Primera ed.). México: Octavio Antonio Colmenares y Vargas.
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 06:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AFC Crewe

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Previously deleted article. Per sources in article and what I could find, still fails WP:GNG/WP:NORG. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shame i'd have thought a bbc article aswell as the league its in having its own wikipedia page(a previously stated condition on the previous deletion) as well as multiple other teams in the same league having their own pages would have given it the merit you deemed warranted? Can you elaborate specifically on why AFC Crewe do not merit a page but say Lichfield City F.C. - Wikipedia do?
Thanks Iblethebible (talk) 08:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see "What about article x?" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:44, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies Iblethebible (talk) 18:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iblethebible, you're what is known around here as a WP:Single-purpose account. That's not necessarily problematic, one has to start editing somewhere, and we edit what we think is interesting. But I'd like to ask, do you also have a WP:Conflict of interest regarding the article subject? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:37, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For example the intralinks inside wiki with Gary Taylor-Fletcher - Wikipedia certainly give it more merit. He is an ex professional player at the highest level in England and is now a professional manager managing the team AFC Crewe Iblethebible (talk) 08:15, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Editors here have patiently explained, through words and a source table, while the sources are inadequate to establish notabilty as expected by Wikipedia newer standards of notability for sports figure (from 2022). The fact that there are other articles that are in equally bad shape is irrelevant to this discussion. You can always nominate them for an AFD discussion. If an editor wants to work on this article in Draft space, let me know or go to WP:REFUND but know that you will need to submit it to WP:AFC for review. Liz Read! Talk! 06:29, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ota Kohoutek

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Does not meet WP:GNG criteria. Lack of sources, no significant coverage. Insignificant footballer with only 12 starts in professional football, last being in May 2022, more than 2 years ago. Maybe one day he will restart his career, but WP:NOTJUSTYET. FromCzech (talk) 05:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There were added references and sources to prove media coverage. At the end of the article there is statement about WP:STUB, which is perfectly sufficient and says that anyone can improve the site by expanding it. Pospeak (talk) 06:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notability still not proven, sources still unsufficient. FromCzech (talk) 07:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Notability has been proved by adding 3 references and 3 external links. That is more than many others footballer pages. Perfectly sufficient for stub. Pospeak (talk) 15:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@FromCzech I saw you edited the page Ota Kohoutek recently. Am I to understand that you agree to keep it? Pospeak (talk) 14:20, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. FromCzech (talk) 17:35, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So why are you revising an article that you think should be deleted? Isn't that pointless? Pospeak (talk) 06:44, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment: Did he year Brno a year ago? If his career was ongoing, I might have said draftifty. Geschichte (talk) 19:13, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. 21 Andromedae (talk) 18:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You mean draftify per above? I would be OK with that, a reasonable compromise. Currently only three sources are used, one is about his father not him, one is about his debut, which doesn't demonstrate any notability, and one is about his club's success, not about him. FromCzech (talk) 18:45, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Why do you feel the need to change someone's free opinion? This is a democratic discussion (which would not be necessary if you were not a deleting hardliner). Three references and five external links prefectly demonstrate notability. Pospeak (talk) 12:34, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not changing anyone's opinion, I'm just trying to spark a discussion because the post was unclear. It's the quality of the sources that matters, not the quantity. And that was nowhere near achieved in this case, as I analyze above. FromCzech (talk) 12:45, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What is unclear about the keep statement? As I wrote earlier, 8 sources (containing one full-length interview) is more than many others footballer pages have. Perfectly sufficient for stub. Pospeak (talk) 12:56, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Only 3 sources (5 are external links/databases). Interview does not demonstrate notability. This article cannot be compared with others, where sources proving notability may exist but they are just not used, while here there are none such sources. If you know about a page, where you doubt the existence of significant coverage, you can nominate it for deletion, and do not use it to defend existence of this one.
    I am asking user GiantSnowman, who also mentioned "delete", to elaborate on "no evidence of notability". The author of this article is not interested in hearing it from me. FromCzech (talk) 13:19, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    External links are irrelevant - what we need are detailed, significant in-line references. Do we have that here? GiantSnowman 14:38, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I assume that you don't know much about the Czech media, so I'll explain it to you. Znoj-tyden.cz is a weekly newspaper from the Znojmo District with more than 20 years of tradition. It is the most read newspapers in the region with almost 6,000 followers on Facebook. More than three and a half million people visit Denik.cz for news every month and with 1.8 million readers, it is the most read printed newspaper in the Czech Republic. Again, these references are perfectly sufficient for stub and demonstrate notability, because what else should demonstrate it more than an interview in the most widely read newspaper in the country? If you disagree with this, then name me which sources you think are notable. And consider that this is a player from a minor league team, so he's unlikely to get into Sports Illustrated or L'Équipe like the vast majority of players. Pospeak (talk) 05:13, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Znojemský deník is a branch of Deník.cz of local importance. Similarly, Znoj-tyden is also only a local media. All the sources used, apart from the databases, write about an 18-year-old boy who scored a goal on his professional debut, which is certainly a grateful topic for club pages and local media, but does nothing to support what makes this boy so significant that he deserves his own page in the encyclopedia. Their content is, first of all, one event, not the career and life of the person in question, primarily because his career and life are still ahead of him. But how few games and minutes he's played, and that he hasn't played in a professional competition since September 2022, speaks loudly against his importance. FromCzech (talk) 06:28, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Your problem is that you are trashing other people's resources, while the pages you created have the same ones. Yes, this is how denik.cz works, that it has local editors, but that does not change the fact that it is an important source that is widely cited. Pospeak (talk) 06:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I was just clarifying the mystification about the intraregional impact of these media. Otherwise, I have no problem with their reliability. If these sources supported the significance of the player, it would be fine, but they only write about his debut. FromCzech (talk) 06:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The fact that he made his debut at such a young age and scored a goal is significant in itself, which is why these articles were written about him. Deník.cz is a medium whose reach in the sports section is nationwide, and I emphasize again that articles from its regional editorial offices are widely cited. Pospeak (talk) 07:08, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please note that the locality of the coverage has no relevance to the subjects notability. A proposal to reject local sources from showing a subjects notability was last rejected in 2018. Alvaldi (talk) 15:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And the recently added iDNES.cz does not write about him, it is only a passing mention. FromCzech (talk) 06:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This does not mean that this resource cannot be used. If only articles about players were used, then you have to delete half of the articles. Pospeak (talk) 06:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It can be used, but is irrelevant to the notability discussion. That's all. FromCzech (talk) 06:54, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Notability discussion is supported by 8 additional references and 3 external links, which is clearly more than many other sites, even those created by you. That's all. Pospeak (talk) 07:22, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Additional references were added to increase notability, articles from the most widespread newspapers in the Czech Republic. Will I get a "keep" statement from you now? Pospeak (talk) 06:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @21.Andromedae: Can you elaborate more on your point? FromCzech (talk) 13:20, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Source assessment table: prepared by User:Alvaldi
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.oefb.at/Profile/Spieler/1168966 No Austrian Football Association Yes No List of stats ✘ No
https://www.livesport.cz/hrac/kohoutek-ota/CzW5lcRP/ ? Yes Probably No List of stats ✘ No
https://znojemsky.denik.cz/fotbal-druha-liga/kohoutek-rozjasal-brno-i-otce-prijemny-pocit-reagoval-dlouholety-sef-znojma-2021.html Yes Newspaper Yes Probably ? Is from 22 November 2021, covers his first match and is partly behind paywall. ? Unknown
https://www.fczbrno.cz/clanek.asp?id=VIDEO-Stal-jsem-na-dobrem-miste-v-dobry-cas-usmival-se-Kohoutek-7843 No Club website Yes Probably No Is from 22 November 2021, covers his first match. ✘ No
https://www.msfl.cz/hrac/ota-kohoutek No League website Yes Probably No List of stats ✘ No
https://www.idnes.cz/fotbal/domaci-souteze/fotbal-prostejov-druha-liga-start-sezony.A230302_154300_fot_dsouteze_ald Yes Newspaper Yes Probably No Mentions him once in references on him being loaned. ✘ No
https://www.fotbal.cz/repre/hrac/hraci/16333344 No Football Association of the Czech Republic Yes Probably No List of stats ✘ No
http://znoj-tyden.cz/sport/ota-kohoutek-jeste-dva-dny-potom-jsem-mel-husinu/ Yes Newspaper Yes Probably No Is from 5 December 2021 and is mostly interview with a little bit of prose regarding his debut less than two weeks before. ✘ No
https://www.fczbrno.cz/zapas.asp?ID=Zbrojovka-s-jistotou-postupu-v-kapse-prehrala-doma-Trinec-4524 No Club website Yes Probably No Doesn't mention him ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
This fails WP:GNG due to lack of WP:SIGCOV, WP:SUSTAINED or otherwise. Alvaldi (talk) 22:52, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is non-independent on football association and league sites? Are they the player's employer? I can admit that the problem may be with the club sites, although they are also quite commonly used as a resource. The fact that the articles appeared in previous years does not mean that they do not meet significant coverage. As I've written before, these articles were created by a player becoming interesting by scoring a goal on his league debut. So it wasn't just the first match. If he hadn't scored a goal, nobody would have written about him or interviewed him. Evaluating signaficant coverage for sources that are statistics is nonsense. These are there as support, although (again) they are national association and league profile pages (ie resources with a national reach). In conclusion, I would add that there is also a yellow evaluation color for partially meet. By your standards, half of Wikipedia should disappear. Pospeak (talk) 05:31, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the association and league are regarded on the same level as the employer because they all have a similar vested interest in promoting "their" players. They are not unreliable per se, so they can be used (i.e. not be thrown out/"disappear"), but not independent either. Geschichte (talk) 06:08, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, the argument of promoting "their" players (who are not in any employment relationship with the association or league) is exaggerated. We can say ad absurdum that the newspaper's activity is motivated by self-promotion with the help of readership, which brings profit from web advertising. Pospeak (talk) 07:08, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:SPORTBASIC, listings in database sources does not go towards establishing notability and neither do sources from team sites and governing sports bodies. My point with the dates on the non-database sources is that even if they were significant, which they ain't, they would fail WP:SUSTAINED as a brief bursts of news coverage several years ago regarding a players debut with no continuing coverage indicates that the player just isn't notable. Alvaldi (talk) 10:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As I wrote earlier, sources that are statistics are listed as support. We can easily move them to external sources. Newer references from 2022 and 2023 have been added to support notability. Pospeak (talk) 11:25, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify, there is nothing wrong with having database sources in articles to support statements within the article (for example, that the subject scored x many goals during a specific season). However, they do not count towards establishing that the player is notable. For this article to be kept, it has to been shown that the subject has received significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject (no team or league websites, no quotes from coaches or teammates etc.) over a sufficiently significant period of time. Brief burst of articles regarding his debut over a span of few days or trivial mentions is not enough. Alvaldi (talk) 12:11, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If I leave out the team, league and association pages, there are still 4 newspaper articles (from 2021-2023). I note that these media have a nationwide reach. The articles are not only about his debut, but also the following events in his career. I would encourage all reviewers to look at other players' sites that are created and the number and quality of resources. Then you will find that the discussion about this player is pointless. Pospeak (talk) 13:42, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Two of those newspaper sources [3][4] trivial mention him once each. The other two mention him only in relation of one event (his debut) and are written in a span of few days. That simply is not enough to pass WP:GNG. Alvaldi (talk) 15:36, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We disagree on what is notable. This waste of resources, in the context of other footballers' sites, is undignified. First of all, it is allegedly a small number of sources, then their reach is questioned (without the authors knowing a single Czech medium), and finally, the problem is that they were published a short time after each other. It is a clear attempt to delete this article regardless of its constant improvement. Pospeak (talk) 16:41, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing wrong with having database sources in articles to support statements within the article (for example, that the subject scored x many goals during a specific season). However, they do not count towards establishing that the player is notable. – Exactly! That's why I've been replacing them with closest reliable sources I could find, especially regarding the footballer's debut and first goal. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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