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Nominations
Older nominations
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Jacques Lewis
- ...
that Jacques Lewis is believed to have been the last living French veteran of D-Day?
- Source: "Believed to be the last surviving Frenchman to wade ashore with Americans, he was attached to an Army unit that stormed Utah Beach and helped drive Germans out of France."
Thriley (talk) 16:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC). Review
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - The article was copied from the French Wikipedia
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - The NYT source does not support the hook as written because it only covers the US landings but there were British and Canadian beaches on D-Day too. A claim of first/last is a Redflag and so needs excellent verification.
- Interesting:
- Other problems: - "Believed" is a weasel word and/or expression of doubt. If this is a definite fact, as it should be, then we should state it as such without such tentative language.
QPQ: - Not provided yet. done Note current discussions about limiting nominations on credit like this.
Overall: I'm not sure of the formal status of translations but this review template asks Is the article free of material copied from other sources?
and it isn't. The article seemed to need some copy-editing and so further work of that kind may soften the issue. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your review. Will fix up shortly. Thriley (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
ALT1... that Jacques Lewis, a 105 year old French veteran of D-Day, insisted that he participate in a ceremony commemorating the invasion's 80th anniversary? Thriley (talk) 20:55, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: Have your concerns been addressed, and does this hook work? If not, what else needs to be done to get this approved? Z1720 (talk) 14:28, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- The QPQ has been done and the ALT1 hook seems ok. I raised the issue of translation at WT:DYK but, iirc, most responders didn't seem to be bothered about this.
- Looking at the article, I notice that the lead is too short, being just one sentence, and there's just a generic section title of "Biography" which isn't helpful to the reader. So, some copy-editing still seems needed. I'll keep a tab open and make a pass through it myself to see if that helps or turns up any issues. More anon...
- Andrew🐉(talk) 14:53, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Regarding "believed", the is what the New York Times states. It is extremely unlikely there are any other living French vets of the American landings on D-Day. I'll change it to "was" if there are no objections. Thriley (talk) 20:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- I can't find a single WP:RS which says he was the last survivor. On the other hand, I've found plenty of sources (both American and French) which equivocate with "believed to be", "one of", or similar.[1][2][3][4][5] so we should do the same. RoySmith (talk) 22:16, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: I have changed it to "believed to be" Thriley (talk) 20:07, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Thriley, Andrew Davidson, and RoySmith: What is the status of this nomination? It times out in a few days, so any remaining issues will need to be resolved by then. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, Andrew Davidson is doing the review. I just had one drive-by comment to make. RoySmith (talk) 12:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Equivocal weasels are not adequate for a claim of being last. Note that Macron made no such claim in his eulogy after the subject's death. As stated above, I'm ok with the ALT1 hook but not the first one. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:13, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have striked the initial hook. Thriley (talk) 16:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- It would be nice if this could run on November 11 which is Veterans Day in the United States. Thriley (talk) 16:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I concur that Remembrance Day on 11 November is an appropriate special occasion request for this nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 17:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, that's a good idea. As we have consensus about the hook now, here's a tick to make it official. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Approved nomination has been placed in the special occasion holding area for November 11. Flibirigit (talk) 20:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- It would be nice if this could run on November 11 which is Veterans Day in the United States. Thriley (talk) 16:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have striked the initial hook. Thriley (talk) 16:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
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2024 Ohio Issue 1
- ... that the Republican-led Ohio Ballot Board was sued because its official summary for Ohio Issue 1, designed to improve redistricting, stated instead that the initiative would require gerrymandering?
- Source: the Board's summary "describes the amendment, which is specifically intended to prevent partisan gerrymandering, as specifically requiring it."
- ALT1: ... that advocates for Ohio Issue 1, an initiative to stop partisan gerrymandering, sued the Republican-led Ballot Board for a summary that claimed the 2024 initiative would require gerrymandering? Source: see above. On the parties to the lawsuit itself, see: https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/ohio-group-garners-over-700000-signatures-for-ballot-initiative-to-end-gerrymandering/
- ALT2: ... that Ohio Issue 1 was created to end partisan gerrymandering after 5 redistricting maps by the Republican-led legislature were rejected by the Ohio Supreme Court -- and flawed maps were used in 2022? Source: "Courts rejected two congressional maps and five sets of Statehouse maps as gerrymandered. Amid the court disputes, Ohio’s elections were allowed to proceed last year under the flawed maps." https://apnews.com/article/ohio-redistricting-constitutional-amendment-attorney-general-e3e8759ceeabc9538dd4bd49b6c84b52
- ALT3: ... that in the lead-up to the election, the ballot summary for 2024 Ohio Issue 1 was a flashpoint for legal action? Source: "Ohio Supreme Court clears ballot language saying anti-gerrymandering measure calls for the opposite." https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbus/news/2024/09/17/ohio-supreme-court-issue-1-ballot-language
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I hope the hooks and article are carefully NPOV. Reliable sources usually mention that the legislature and ballot board are Republican-led, since gerrymandering is about partisanship. Fwiw, Issue 1 proponents are described in the press as bipartisan.
- Update: ALT3 added per suggestion below
ProfGray (talk) 17:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC).
- WP:DYKELECT talks about "election candidates", but I think the spirt of the guideline also applies to ballot questions like this. I suggest holding this until after the election. RoySmith (talk) 17:11, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- No reason not to review it now; if it gets approved, it can be placed in the special occasion section set up for election hooks to run after the November election in the US. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not a review, but not totally sure the hooks are that interesting. Andre🚐 22:17, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
Starting review:
- As noted above, this should be held until after the upcoming elections
- That will in turn require updating wording like
to be voted upon in the November 2024 election
. It would be useful to mark this up with {{Update after}} reminders now, but I'll leave that for somebody else. - Obviously, if we run this after the election, it will need to be updated with the outcome and probably reactions.
- That will in turn require updating wording like
- New enough (created August 25, nominated the next day)
- Long enough
- QPQ exempt
- Earwig calls out lots of text duplication, but it's all properly attributed quotes, so no worries there.
- Since this is a controversial issue, I gave the sources a close look. For the most part, they appear to be WP:RS. I do see a few duplicated sources, which WP:REFILL can help fix, but that's not a DYK criterion.
- The Official arguments section does a good job of hewing to WP:NPOV.
- I am, however, somewhat concerned about the Support section. The large "Yes" box duplicates much of the preceding paragraph, is not balanced by a "No" box, probably violates MOS:EMBED, and is almost certainly incomplete today and at risk of going out of date at any point in the future. I'd drop it.
- I'm also unconvinced that the Polling section is useful and probably violates WP:NPOV since it only lists one poll.
- I pretty much agree with Andrevan about the hooks. Although they all get under the 200 character official limit, they're all excessively wordy, and not very interesting.
- RoySmith (talk) 14:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. I agree with some of your concerns, mostly about edits since my DYK submission, eg the Yes box (blown up from a more selective prose text) and the Polling. If (or: since) the DYK can't be run at this stage, I will wait to edit and update until after the election, ok? Given the timing, does the "new enough" criterion still a pass? After the vote, perhaps an better DYK hook will be apparent. Thanks for your review and for everyone's input here. ProfGray (talk) 21:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry about the timing; as long as you get the nomination in on time, you're good. If we hold it up because of our rules, that's on us. RoySmith (talk) 17:45, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- RoySmith, ProfGray, I'm not nearly so sanguine that this one won't be closed on October 25 or 26 when it hits two months. If it's approved and in the special occasion section for nominations waiting for the election to be over, then there isn't a problem. If it's still not approved at the end of the coming week, there probably will be. I would respectfully suggest that ProfGray do whatever is necessary to get the article and/or hooks into such shape that the nomination can be passed during the coming week; any post-election edits can be made per whatever new information is relevant. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- In response to points above -- the Polling section has been removed. The "Yes" support section has been balanced by a "No" opposition section. (I didn't happen to create this section, but I added a few opposing orgs and now it does seem balanced.) I adjusted some language to be more NPOV and I welcome any other concerns about the article. I will think about the hook, since it'd be great to run the DYK. I hadn't known about the two months conern.ProfGray (talk) 15:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- OK, the article looks better now. The only thing left is to work on the hooks. In general, short snappy hooks are better than long complicated ones. RoySmith (talk) 15:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. It'd be great to get help with the hook. Personally, I find it interesting (fascinating, ironic, clever) that both the proponents and opponents claim to be against gerrymandering and both blame the other side for gerrymandering. The zany redistricting context is also interesting to me. But if these are not interesting, what would folks recommend for the hook? ProfGray (talk) 16:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- I would question whether a broad audience would know what gerrymandering was. Assuming it checks out, I suggest something less specific, like "that in the lead-up to the 2024 election, the summary of 2024 Ohio Issue 1 was a flashpoint for legal action".--Launchballer 12:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's an interesting point. My first thought was, "No, that's dumb. Of course everybody knows what gerrymandering is". But then as I read a bit of Gerrymandering I realized it's only an issue in places which use an election system similar to what we have in the US. If you are electing people based on total vote count across the entire electorate, it's not a thing. I don't honestly know enough about election systems around the world to know how many places it is a thing. RoySmith (talk) 14:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, my concern was that knowing the word took knowing a fair bit about politics. (I have limited interest in the subject and only know the term because I was reading about Tesco, whose founder's daughter was behind the homes for votes scandal.)--Launchballer 15:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I guess I should ping @ProfGray:.--Launchballer 11:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, I added your suggested hook as ALT3. Btw, IMO gerrymandering would be fine for the hook and a link to the gerrymandering article goes to a clear definition. ProfGray (talk) 00:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I guess I should ping @ProfGray:.--Launchballer 11:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, my concern was that knowing the word took knowing a fair bit about politics. (I have limited interest in the subject and only know the term because I was reading about Tesco, whose founder's daughter was behind the homes for votes scandal.)--Launchballer 15:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's an interesting point. My first thought was, "No, that's dumb. Of course everybody knows what gerrymandering is". But then as I read a bit of Gerrymandering I realized it's only an issue in places which use an election system similar to what we have in the US. If you are electing people based on total vote count across the entire electorate, it's not a thing. I don't honestly know enough about election systems around the world to know how many places it is a thing. RoySmith (talk) 14:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I would question whether a broad audience would know what gerrymandering was. Assuming it checks out, I suggest something less specific, like "that in the lead-up to the 2024 election, the summary of 2024 Ohio Issue 1 was a flashpoint for legal action".--Launchballer 12:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. It'd be great to get help with the hook. Personally, I find it interesting (fascinating, ironic, clever) that both the proponents and opponents claim to be against gerrymandering and both blame the other side for gerrymandering. The zany redistricting context is also interesting to me. But if these are not interesting, what would folks recommend for the hook? ProfGray (talk) 16:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- OK, the article looks better now. The only thing left is to work on the hooks. In general, short snappy hooks are better than long complicated ones. RoySmith (talk) 15:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- In response to points above -- the Polling section has been removed. The "Yes" support section has been balanced by a "No" opposition section. (I didn't happen to create this section, but I added a few opposing orgs and now it does seem balanced.) I adjusted some language to be more NPOV and I welcome any other concerns about the article. I will think about the hook, since it'd be great to run the DYK. I hadn't known about the two months conern.ProfGray (talk) 15:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- RoySmith, ProfGray, I'm not nearly so sanguine that this one won't be closed on October 25 or 26 when it hits two months. If it's approved and in the special occasion section for nominations waiting for the election to be over, then there isn't a problem. If it's still not approved at the end of the coming week, there probably will be. I would respectfully suggest that ProfGray do whatever is necessary to get the article and/or hooks into such shape that the nomination can be passed during the coming week; any post-election edits can be made per whatever new information is relevant. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry about the timing; as long as you get the nomination in on time, you're good. If we hold it up because of our rules, that's on us. RoySmith (talk) 17:45, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review. I agree with some of your concerns, mostly about edits since my DYK submission, eg the Yes box (blown up from a more selective prose text) and the Polling. If (or: since) the DYK can't be run at this stage, I will wait to edit and update until after the election, ok? Given the timing, does the "new enough" criterion still a pass? After the vote, perhaps an better DYK hook will be apparent. Thanks for your review and for everyone's input here. ProfGray (talk) 21:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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El Eternauta: tercera parte
- ... that El Eternauta: tercera parte kept its creator Héctor Germán Oesterheld as a viewpoint character, even though he was dead?
- Source: Daniel Riera (April 27, 2022). "El Eternauta: la inmortal historieta de Héctor Oesterheld, el guionista desaparecido" [The Eternaut: the immortal comic of Héctor Oesterheld, the disappeared writer] (in Spanish). Big Bang News. Retrieved August 29, 2024.
Cambalachero (talk) 18:49, 29 August 2024 (UTC).
Looking over this now. Will return with a review shortly... —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:20, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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- Cited:
- Interesting:
- Other problems: - See below.
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Overall: Article is new and long enough. No problems with Earwig. A few small issues, however. Some of the material in the article lack citations. For example, the lead contains two statements that are missing citations to confirm (they're not confirmed anywhere in the article body). The entire "Plot" section is unsourced. The proposed hook itself is interesting, but needs to be rewritten. It states that Héctor Germán Oesterheld himself was a character in his own comic, who was retained after he died. In fact, the cited source states that the character of Germán was "Oesterheld's character" ("el personaje de Oesterheld"), but does not explicitly state that it is him. (Native Spanish speaker here, by the way.) The source makes clear that the character is certainly based on him; the hook needs to be reworded accordingly. Another detail that needs to be ironed out is that the hook unequivocally states that Oesterheld is dead. However, all sources I've read state that he is presumed dead. Even if his death is certain, I'm not sure that it could've been declared official at the time this third part of the comic was published in 1981, while the Dirty War was still ongoing. Otherwise, this is a very interesting article about a subject I previously had zero knowledge of! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:40, 31 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have rewritten the lead. Plot sections of articles about works of fiction do not require citations; it is accepted that the book itself is the source. That Oesterheld included himself as a character within the first two stories he wrote does not need to be referenced either, for similar reasons (he's not even the first author who uses that trick, see here). The hook, however, focuses on the real-life stuff about the character. As for his death, it is correct that his death had never been officially confirmed by the military, but his kidnapping was denounced by the family and other organizations shortly after April 1977, and informed by Cadena Informativa on September 1977. It's all in reference 1. A bit off-topic for this article (better suited for HGO's biography, or the second part), but clearly not a situation that Ediciones Record didn't know. They may be in the dark about the details, but not about their star writer being missing and reported kidnapped by the military. Cambalachero (talk) 01:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- @CurryTime7-24: Does the above address your concerns? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 14:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
*Just a moment, please. Looking over the changes now... —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)- Thanks for everybody's patience. The lead has been improved. No problems with the plot! The ALT still needs to be tweaked. Again, he was, in all likelihood, dead by the time the comic was published. However, he seems never to have been officially declared dead, only presumed dead. It seems like splitting hairs, but it's the kind of thing other editors may potentially bring up once the hook goes live. So best to address it now by modifying the ALT with the qualifier "probably". —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:28, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- How about ALT1: ... that El Eternauta: tercera parte kept its creator Héctor Germán Oesterheld as a viewpoint character, even though he was disappeared? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cambalachero (talk • contribs) 17:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- CurryTime7-24, does ALT1 satisfy your concerns? Is this ready for you to approve it, or is there more to be done? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Let me look this over right now. Just a moment... —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)ALT1 looks good! Thank you everyone for your patience with me. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:36, 23 October 2024 (UTC)- I'm not entirely sure this hook works. Per the article, Héctor Germán Oesterheld isn't the viewpoint character, his self-insert "Germán" is, so the hook isn't quite accurate to the text. On top of that, the comic is science fiction, not an autobiography or memoir, so it doesn't seem to be that unusual that the character would be kept despite the author being vanished. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- In-story, it's abundantly clear that "German" is indeed meant to be Oesterheld himself, not just a character with traits of Oesterheld. See here. Characters may still be used in ongoing series after the creator dies, right, but not author-as-character ones. Compare for example with Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in Marvel Comics, they used to add themselves to the stories quite often (for example, when they tried to get to the private reception of the Fantastic Four wedding, and Nick Fury took them to the street). They rarely did so when other authors took the helm of the comics, and almost never (if at all) after their deaths. Similarily, the cameos of Stan Lee were a tradition of all Marvel films regardless of studios, but that tradition stopped in its tracks when Stan Lee died, even if the current technology would allow to make fake cameos if so desired. Not even Deadpool crossed that line. And that, considering that they died of old age, and not in the controversial (to say the least) circumstances in which Oesteheld died. Cambalachero (talk) 14:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not entirely sure this hook works. Per the article, Héctor Germán Oesterheld isn't the viewpoint character, his self-insert "Germán" is, so the hook isn't quite accurate to the text. On top of that, the comic is science fiction, not an autobiography or memoir, so it doesn't seem to be that unusual that the character would be kept despite the author being vanished. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- CurryTime7-24, does ALT1 satisfy your concerns? Is this ready for you to approve it, or is there more to be done? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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İzlem Gürçağ Altuğra
- ... that İzlem Gürçağ Altuğra once opened the national women's chess championships as Northern Cyprus' Minister of Health? Source: Açılışını Sağlık Bakanı İzlem Gürçağ Altuğra’nın yaptığı ... Kadınlar Satranç Şampiyonası çekişmeli ve heyecanlı bir şekilde sona erdi./The Women's Chess Championship, which was opened by the Minister of Health İzlem Gürçağ Altuğra ... ended in a competitive and exciting manner.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Diplodus argenteus
- Comment: Northern Cypriot DYKs are very rare, and I haven't done one of these before. Hope I did this right.
ミラP@Miraclepine 15:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC).
- The article is new enough. Although WP:DYKLEN does not address this, I am not happy when an article just barely meets the length requirements thanks to repeating a significant portion of its content in the lead pararaph or lead section. Without said repetition, this article contains about 1350 characters of prose. I also do not think that a minister opening a chess championship is particularly interesting. Surtsicna (talk) 12:17, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: Well, the thing is, it is what a lede is supposed to do, to summarize the basics, and while I try to keep the lede as necessarily short as possible, in this case the lede just happened to summarize the entire body in only a third of its size. And to be honest, I just found it unusual for a health minister to open a national chess championship during their tenure, which is why it felt interesting to have as a hook. ミラP@Miraclepine 22:32, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Just wanted to note since this page is now at 1394 B (below the 1500 B minimum) due to MOS:LEADSTUB cleanup that I would like to expand the article on Friday or Saturday (when I have more time) or earlier in case it's possible to find a sufficiently interesting hook from there. ミラP@Miraclepine 03:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I've expanded this article to 2322 B and this is the most hooky I can get, but it's borderline and 199 characters, so if ALT0 to 2 aren't enough, I can withdraw this nom.
- ALT1: ... that Northern Cypriot politician İzlem Gürçağ Altuğra resigned as president of Girne District after her party's local branch refused to hold elections for the executive board of their women’s branch? Source: Altuğra stated in his statement to TAK that the District Executive Board meeting ... rejected the request of 19 candidates who wanted to take office in the Girne District Women's Branch Executive Board ... but that he decided to resign from this position after all the participants voted in favor./Altuğra, TAK’a yaptığı açıklamada, pazar gün yapılacak İlçe Kongresine yönelik ... Girne İlçesi Kadın Kolları Yönetim Kurulu’nda görev almak isteyen 19 adayın seçimsiz yönetime alınması talebini ... ancak katılımcıların tümünün olumlu oy vermesi üzerine bu görevinden ayrılma kararı aldığını kaydetti.
- ALT2: ... that İzlem Gürçağ Altuğra resigned as president of Girne District in Northern Cyprus after her party's local branch refused to hold elections for the executive board of their women’s branch? Source: Same as above.
- Hope this help. ミラP@Miraclepine 01:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- The article looks much more substantial now. There is some fluff, however. I do not think it is encyclopedically vital to note that she congratulated someone on election, or that she attended a memorial service. The bit about her donating money might be seen as promotional. And what was she congratulated for at the chess championship? ALT1 is an improvement, but I wonder if something could be done with the counterfeit prescription scandal. That sounds intriguing. Surtsicna (talk) 18:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: If it helps, at the least they were covered by national mainstream media outlets. And the congratulation was at a different meeting, not the chess championship. I've expanded more on the counterfeit prescription scandal, but I gotta sleep now before I can cover the rest. ミラP@Miraclepine 04:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: @Miraclepine: has done some more work on this. Would you able to check back into this?--Launchballer 15:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: I've added more on the meeting with the Turkish health minister and the scandal. Not sure on this, but here's ALT3:
- ALT3: ... that Northern Cypriot Minister of Health İzlem Gürçağ Altuğra wanted the country to have its first qualified pharmaceutical facility because "if we do not produce, we will be destroyed". Source: “Kendi ülkemizde, nitelikli, işe yarayan ilaç fabrikası görmek istiyorum. Çağrımı yineliyorum” vurgusunu yapan ... Altuğra, “Üretmezsek yok oluruz; kendi ülkemizde ilaç fabrikamızı kurmak zorundayız” dedi./Emphasizing that “I want to see a qualified, working pharmaceutical factory in our own country. I reiterate my call,” Altuğra ... said, “If we do not produce, we will be destroyed; we have to establish our own pharmaceutical factory in our own country.”
- Hope this helps. ミラP@Miraclepine 17:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Did the opposition have anything to say about her in the context of the scandal? Political biographies can easily veer off into bias. And I think I have a good hook:
ALT4: ... that Northern Cypriot Minister of Health İzlem Gürçağ Altuğra warned that her country would be destroyed unless it started producing drugs?
What do you think? Surtsicna (talk) 19:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Did the opposition have anything to say about her in the context of the scandal? Political biographies can easily veer off into bias. And I think I have a good hook:
- @Surtsicna: @Miraclepine: has done some more work on this. Would you able to check back into this?--Launchballer 15:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: If it helps, at the least they were covered by national mainstream media outlets. And the congratulation was at a different meeting, not the chess championship. I've expanded more on the counterfeit prescription scandal, but I gotta sleep now before I can cover the rest. ミラP@Miraclepine 04:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- The article looks much more substantial now. There is some fluff, however. I do not think it is encyclopedically vital to note that she congratulated someone on election, or that she attended a memorial service. The bit about her donating money might be seen as promotional. And what was she congratulated for at the chess championship? ALT1 is an improvement, but I wonder if something could be done with the counterfeit prescription scandal. That sounds intriguing. Surtsicna (talk) 18:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Surtsicna: I couldn't find any such sources even in Turkish, so what should I remove, maybe the "witnessed the scandal's investigation with sadness" part? Oh, and the ALT4 looks good. ミラP@Miraclepine 00:24, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 31
The Cock Destroyers
- ... that the first drag girl band to enter the UK top 40 took their name from a pair of porn stars (pictured separately) who went on to present Slag Wars: The Next Destroyer? Source: https://www.out.com/sex/2020/11/13/matthew-camp-cock-destroyers-host-slag-wars-tv-show#rebelltitem17 for Slag Wars in all hooks, https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/drag-pop-album-frock-destroyers-b1769880.html for everything else
- ALT1: ... that Matty Healy once described the Slag Wars: The Next Destroyer presenters The Cock Destroyers (pictured separately) as "terrifying"? Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwhy6Vyh1kM, at around 18:34 - we used to have an article about the episode
- ALT2: ... that the future Slag Wars: The Next Destroyer hosts The Cock Destroyers (pictured separately) once released a "gloriously queer" sex education video for Netflix? Source: https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/03/12/cock-destroyers-lgbt-inclusive-sex-educaiton-netflix-rebecca-more-sophie-anderson/
- ALT3: ... that the porn star duo The Cock Destroyers (pictured separately), who presented Slag Wars: The Next Destroyer in 2020, received coverage from the BBC after going viral? Source: https://theface.com/culture/cock-destroyer-how-rebecca-more-went-from-meme-to-the-uks-most-loved-adult-star
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sebastian Zouberbuhler (double nom)
- Comment: Slag Wars 5x expanded on 11 September from this edit. I had no idea More was bringing it back.
Launchballer 17:09, 31 August 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Both articles are new enough and long enough (Slag Wars doesn't register as 5x by the DYK tool, but comparing the pre-expansion version it is 7x). All of the hooks are cited and meet DYKINT, though my personal preference is ALT2 (ALT0 focuses on a third party, ALT1 relies on knowledge of Healy, and ALT3 is "people get famous, are featured on BBC"). Images both appear free, being extracted from free videos. No close paraphrasing found - Earwig flags one source at 53%, but that's because of the large block quote. Looks good to go! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! The reason Slag Wars doesn't register as 5x is because DYKcheck picks up stuff from this version, which picks up around 563 false positive characters from an unformatted list.--Launchballer 22:00, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- I figured it was something like that. I do like this approach to 5x... cleaning up an article only to find it was disqualified by things beyond your control used to suck.Crisco 1492 mobile (talk) 02:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is getting perilously close to timing out. What else do I have to do to get this promoted?--Launchballer 14:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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Moses da Rieti
- ... that Moses da Rieti was the first Hebrew poet to write in the rhyming verse form of Dante?
- Reviewed:
cc @User:GordonGlottal Andre🚐 19:31, 7 September 2024 (UTC).
- Given that general readers may not know what "terza rima" is, a minor reword (perhaps changing the term to something more accessible) may be needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Seems fair, maybe we should add the phrase "rhyming verse form" afterwards? Andre🚐 01:17, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Or you could just replace "terza rima" with "rhyming verse form" in the hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:14, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- A drive-by comment: this has the perennial form of "first" hooks, that even though we may have sources calling them first, there's a high likelihood of WP:ERRORS when someone notices the hook and remembers the existence of someone else using terza rima in Hebrew at an earlier date, overlooked by our source. To forestall this, can we maybe rewrite the hook to avoid the word "first"? Something like
- ALT1 ... that Moses da Rieti wrote Hebrew poetry in the rhyming verse form of Dante?
- —David Eppstein (talk) 23:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't mind that, but I think it's rather unlikely that someone will find another example of it, since Dante died in 1321 and Moses was born in 1388, and there are precious few remaining manuscripts from that time to begin with, though I suppose it's not entirely out of the question that a cache of codices will be found in some Vatican annex basement or a Dead Sea caves situation. For reference, the source (Dvora Bregman) says
Rieti was, in fact, the first Hebrew poet to use this form, and through his influence it was incorporated into Hebrew poetry by his successors.
Andre🚐 00:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't mind that, but I think it's rather unlikely that someone will find another example of it, since Dante died in 1321 and Moses was born in 1388, and there are precious few remaining manuscripts from that time to begin with, though I suppose it's not entirely out of the question that a cache of codices will be found in some Vatican annex basement or a Dead Sea caves situation. For reference, the source (Dvora Bregman) says
Reviewer needed. Z1720 (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Note to @GordonGlottal, he has an extensive sandbox with improvements that should be merged back in for this. Andre🚐 23:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I will say that although deserving {{lead too long}} isn't technically a disqualifier, I would politely suggest that having three quarters of the article up there is taking the mickey. Whether by expanding the rest or moving what's there, this should be fixed.--Launchballer 23:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- That is fair. There's a version of the article at User:GordonGlottal/sandbox that should address that. Andre🚐 00:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I will say that although deserving {{lead too long}} isn't technically a disqualifier, I would politely suggest that having three quarters of the article up there is taking the mickey. Whether by expanding the rest or moving what's there, this should be fixed.--Launchballer 23:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 6
1917 Łódź City Council election
- ... that whilst socialists got 31% of the votes in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (campaign poster pictured), they only won five seats due to a curiae system implemented by the German authorities?
- Source: Telma Tadeusz. Pierwsze wybory do Rady Miejskiej m. Łodzi, in Rocznik Łódzki, Vol. 11 (14). Państwowe Wydawnictwu Naukowe, 1966. pp. 134, 138-146, Antoni Goerne. Wybory do Rady Miejskiej w Lodzi w styczniu 1917, in Informator m Lodzi z kalendarzem na rok 1919. pp. 76-83
Soman (talk) 11:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC).
- I'm not taking on the review, but just leaving a comment, as I'm puzzled. Without context, this may not be hook-notable I believe. The question left unaddressed is five seats out of how many. If it is five seats out of 15, this would seen rather non-notable. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:F804:C954:1D4C:5D11 (talk) 03:51, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
- I went back and forth on the wording of the sentence, but with the 200 characters cap it is difficult to get all nuances and factoids included. For me "only five" implies that it is less than proportional, but a rewording could be to replace "five seats" with "8%". --Soman (talk) 10:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
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- Other problems: - Borderline eligible for "lead needs expansion" cleanup tag
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- Freely licensed: - The licensing is incorrect, at issue is not the photograph copyright but the poster itself ({{PD-1923}} in the United States, not sure about Poland)—then you can use {{PD-scan}}
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Overall: The article looks mostly fine, but I'm not sure about the hook. Non-proportional electoral systems are typical outside of continental Europe, where proportional representation based systems are more common. First past the post can cause equal amount of distortion. (t · c) buidhe 04:06, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- But the hook states that the reasons for the disproportionality is the curiae system, which is arguably something different from FPTP dynamics. The curia system would be very weird present-day, to explicitly discriminate in favour of the wealthiest. There are some alternate takes on the on the hook, like ALT1 "... that while 55% of the voters in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) were working class, they only got 10 out of 60 seats due to a curiae system implemented by the German authorities?" or ALT2 ... that the curiae-based electoral system used by German occupation authorities in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) disproportionally favoured the non-socialist Jewish parties? Now ALT2 would require a bit of a rewrite in article and need another image though. --Soman (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- Regarding the clarity of image, I selected precisely because it had symbolism that was readable even at 100px. I don't think we'd expect people to read the fine print, but in 100px the number 5 is clearly visible (5 times) and the largest text is readable ('vote for our list'). The designer of the poster wanted that a reader catch the number 5 clearly even from a distance. --Soman (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- But the hook states that the reasons for the disproportionality is the curiae system, which is arguably something different from FPTP dynamics. The curia system would be very weird present-day, to explicitly discriminate in favour of the wealthiest. There are some alternate takes on the on the hook, like ALT1 "... that while 55% of the voters in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) were working class, they only got 10 out of 60 seats due to a curiae system implemented by the German authorities?" or ALT2 ... that the curiae-based electoral system used by German occupation authorities in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) disproportionally favoured the non-socialist Jewish parties? Now ALT2 would require a bit of a rewrite in article and need another image though. --Soman (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- My point is that many electoral systems intentionally or not result in disproportionate seats for certain parties at the expense of others, thus it cannot really be a surprising fact that this particular electoral system has that result. (t · c) buidhe 19:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again, this is not comparable to the issues from FPTP or STV electoral systems. Here was a case where an electoral system was explicitly designed to give a absolute majority to the wealthiest sections of society, with the explicit and publicly stated goal of ensuring a stable conservative majority. Now at the time the principle 1 citizen 1 vote was not universal by any means, but for present-day readers this is certainly something that would raise eyebrows. --Soman (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- I know a bit about how pre-German Revolution electoral systems worked in Germany (and as you've written here, applied to occupied territories), but the average reader doesn't. So I think if you are going to take that angle, it needs to be more clear in the hook. (t · c) buidhe 22:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Soman: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 00:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- How about ALT3 - "... that the class-based curiae system used by German occupation authorities in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) disproportionately favoured the non-socialist Jewish parties?" --Soman (talk) 01:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)?
- @Buidhe: Please address the above.--Launchballer 11:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- How about ALT3 - "... that the class-based curiae system used by German occupation authorities in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) disproportionately favoured the non-socialist Jewish parties?" --Soman (talk) 01:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)?
- @Soman: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 00:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
- I know a bit about how pre-German Revolution electoral systems worked in Germany (and as you've written here, applied to occupied territories), but the average reader doesn't. So I think if you are going to take that angle, it needs to be more clear in the hook. (t · c) buidhe 22:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Again, this is not comparable to the issues from FPTP or STV electoral systems. Here was a case where an electoral system was explicitly designed to give a absolute majority to the wealthiest sections of society, with the explicit and publicly stated goal of ensuring a stable conservative majority. Now at the time the principle 1 citizen 1 vote was not universal by any means, but for present-day readers this is certainly something that would raise eyebrows. --Soman (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- it's an improvement over the other hooks proposed. (t · c) buidhe 13:49, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- buidhe, is it enough of an improvement that you're willing to approve the nomination, or do other issues remain? I believe you're the active reviewer, so it would be helpful if you'd point out where this nomination stands so it can get moving again. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:02, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about the hook, but I'm not going to oppose it if someone else thinks it's good. (t · c) buidhe 22:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- New reviewer needed to see whether ALT3 is good or not. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure about the hook, but I'm not going to oppose it if someone else thinks it's good. (t · c) buidhe 22:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- buidhe, is it enough of an improvement that you're willing to approve the nomination, or do other issues remain? I believe you're the active reviewer, so it would be helpful if you'd point out where this nomination stands so it can get moving again. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:02, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Soman: For me, the hook is dependent on knowing what a curiae system is and I don't, so I'd question whether a broad audience would.--Launchballer 21:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- ALT4 - "... that the electoral system imposed by the German occupation authorities for the 1917 Łódź City Council election (campaign poster pictured) disproportionately favoured the non-socialist Jewish parties?" --Soman (talk) 09:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Fine by me, with the caveat that I can't read a word of the source. If you're happy with the very slightly trimmed ALT4a: "... that the electoral system imposed by the German occupation authorities for the 1917 Łódź City Council election (campaign poster pictured) disproportionately favoured some Jewish parties?" I'll go ahead and approve this.--Launchballer 10:28, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- ALT4a ok with me. --Soman (talk) 10:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Fine by me, with the caveat that I can't read a word of the source. If you're happy with the very slightly trimmed ALT4a: "... that the electoral system imposed by the German occupation authorities for the 1917 Łódź City Council election (campaign poster pictured) disproportionately favoured some Jewish parties?" I'll go ahead and approve this.--Launchballer 10:28, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- ALT4 - "... that the electoral system imposed by the German occupation authorities for the 1917 Łódź City Council election (campaign poster pictured) disproportionately favoured the non-socialist Jewish parties?" --Soman (talk) 09:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Soman: For me, the hook is dependent on knowing what a curiae system is and I don't, so I'd question whether a broad audience would.--Launchballer 21:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Let's roll.--Launchballer 10:29, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 7
Flag of Falcón state, Monument to the Venezuelan Federation
- ... that the current flag of Falcón state (pictured), first hoisted at the Monument to the Venezuelan Federation in 2006, was based on the design of the 1806 naval flag of Francisco de Miranda?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Uzun-Hajji
- Comment: qpq review is a double nom
Soman (talk) 14:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC).
Abraham Hamadeh
- ... that Abraham Hamadeh lost one of the closest elections in Arizona history by 280 votes, and has filed multiple lawsuits challenging the results?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: My first DYK nomination, I'm confident I did this right but I'm still welcome to suggestions!
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Overall: No image was proposed for the DYK, but File:Abraham Hamadeh by Gage Skidmore 2.jpg (the lead image) may be appropiate and seems clear at icon size. The hook is not provided as a single sentence but explained in longer context, but everything about it is referenced, so it should be fine. Cambalachero (talk) 16:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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Jewish dairy restaurant
- ... that Leon Trotsky frequented a Jewish dairy restaurant in the Bronx but refused to tip, and waiters retaliated by spilling hot soup on him?
- Reviewed:
Andre🚐 09:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC).
- Not a full review, but the interesting thing about the article is the fact that Jewish dairy restaurants even exist in the first place, considering kosher laws. I'd suggest proposing hooks that focus specifically on that aspect, as least as possible options for the promoter, as the mere concept of the Jewish dairy restaurant is the elephant in the room here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Could you elaborate what you mean? Dairy restaurants are kosher. That is the entire point of them. The laws say not to mix milk and meat, that's why there isn't any meat at a dairyrestaurant. Andre🚐 12:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- As a non-Jew myself, I just thought that the actual concept was interesting by itself. It might not be as obvious to observant Jews of course since they may take it for granted, but especially to people from places where Jews are not very visible it might be unusual. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, yes, I see what you mean. Yeah maybe there could be an ALT1 like:
- As a non-Jew myself, I just thought that the actual concept was interesting by itself. It might not be as obvious to observant Jews of course since they may take it for granted, but especially to people from places where Jews are not very visible it might be unusual. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
... that Jewish dairy restaurants specialize in food like cheese blintzes and vegetarian borscht to accommodate the kosher Jewish dietary rules on milk and meat?
- A bit long perhaps? Andre🚐 14:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:DYKTRIM it could be shortened to something like "... that Jewish dairy restaurants specialize in food that accommodate the kosher Jewish dietary rules on milk and meat?" Would that be okay with you? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sure sounds good. Andre🚐 00:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:DYKTRIM it could be shortened to something like "... that Jewish dairy restaurants specialize in food that accommodate the kosher Jewish dietary rules on milk and meat?" Would that be okay with you? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- A bit long perhaps? Andre🚐 14:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- I do think the original hook is interesting, I only mentioned the suggestion above so that it could be offered as an option. It's probably best for a reviewer to make the final decision. I've slightly modified the original hook to give Trotsky's full name since not all readers may know who he is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Can I review the article or do my copyedits disqualify me? Viriditas (talk) 21:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- It might be safer to leave it to another editor to do the actual review of the article content, although you can probably do some of the more technical aspects like article creation, hook interest, etc. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I thought that was part of the review! Andre🚐 01:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- On the one hand, I disagree with Narutolovehinata5, as I think they could have done the review themselves just as much as I could. But, on the other hand, I admire someone who takes the neutrality principle to such an extreme, and you have to respect that even if you personally disagree with it. With that said, such a position can also have unintended consequences, such as leading to the timing out of this nom due to such high-minded principles. Viriditas (talk) 01:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Would it help if I review some DYKs that are in the backlog? Andre🚐 01:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- You're very much encouraged to do so, especially since any review can be used in the future once you are required to provide QPQs. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- I did a few! Andre🚐 23:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- You're very much encouraged to do so, especially since any review can be used in the future once you are required to provide QPQs. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Would it help if I review some DYKs that are in the backlog? Andre🚐 01:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- On the one hand, I disagree with Narutolovehinata5, as I think they could have done the review themselves just as much as I could. But, on the other hand, I admire someone who takes the neutrality principle to such an extreme, and you have to respect that even if you personally disagree with it. With that said, such a position can also have unintended consequences, such as leading to the timing out of this nom due to such high-minded principles. Viriditas (talk) 01:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, I thought that was part of the review! Andre🚐 01:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- It might be safer to leave it to another editor to do the actual review of the article content, although you can probably do some of the more technical aspects like article creation, hook interest, etc. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- To clarify Viriditas's concern, the reason I asked for a new review is more out of check-and-balance reasons. Personally I have a preference ALT1 (the straightforward hook), but others may disagree and think that the Trotsky angle is more interesting (and personally I do also find it interesting). Normally what I could have done is to approve both hooks and leave it to the promoter, but given how torn I am over the options I thought bringing in a third-party editor to give their own opinion would also help reach a proper consensus. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- You’re not wrong; both hooks are good. Although I have only managed to vet ALT0. If you can vet ALT1, do the review, pass both, and let the approver decide on which hook to use. Viriditas (talk) 03:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you both. I think we'd probably be able to verify ALT1 using the Ben Katchor book, The Dairy Restaurant, which I have in physical form. It's a surrealist trip, complete with lots of old menus and ads for dairy restaurants. I'll check and see if there's a succinct definition that we can use and what page that is on. Andre🚐 23:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Or actually, the NYT review of the book should do it:
The subjects of Mr. Katchor’s new book, “The Dairy Restaurant” (Schocken, $29.95), were community cornerstones: cheap, filling refuges that made it possible for Jewish immigrants in New York to eat out according to kosher laws, by keeping milk and meat strictly separated, with fish, eggs and vegetables as neutral go-betweens.
Good enough? If not, I'll check the book, though I can't do it tonight. Andre🚐 23:37, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Or actually, the NYT review of the book should do it:
- Thank you both. I think we'd probably be able to verify ALT1 using the Ben Katchor book, The Dairy Restaurant, which I have in physical form. It's a surrealist trip, complete with lots of old menus and ads for dairy restaurants. I'll check and see if there's a succinct definition that we can use and what page that is on. Andre🚐 23:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- You’re not wrong; both hooks are good. Although I have only managed to vet ALT0. If you can vet ALT1, do the review, pass both, and let the approver decide on which hook to use. Viriditas (talk) 03:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm really torn about what to write here. As a resident of the Bronx, I find ALT0 to be a wonderful hook. I had no idea Trotsky ever lived in the Bronx. The idea that I've literally walked down the block where he ate his meals just blows my mind. BTW, I found an ad for the Triangle Dairy Restaurant in the Daily Worker, https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/pubs/dailyworker/1929/1929-ny/v05-n344-NY-feb-08-1929-DW-LOC.pdf, page 3, rightmost column. And a photograph. But, WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE says avoid hooks that are primarily about an incident the subject is only tangentially related to
which would seem to rule out the Trotsky hook. Still, it's such a great hook, I'd say WP:IAR and use it. RoySmith (talk) 23:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, very cool finds. "Comrades, Patronize The Triangle Dairy Restaurant." Love it. Andre🚐 23:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
I added a fact to the article, from a cited NYT review of the book, which could make a good hook: ... that growth of Jewish dairy restaurants was aided by better commercial refrigeration and periodic "meat strikes" against the high cost of kosher butchers? ProfGray (talk) 04:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is an interesting tidbit, but it feels like it would be hard to properly explain within the space of a hook, the meat strikes I mean. The refrigeration thing is also interesting. I mean I guess it's a hook that pulls you in and says, what the heck do you mean, meat strikes? But then we don't really explain what they actually did or were in the article ... yet..., but it may be difficult to do so. I'll have to see what Katchor says about it in the full text. Andre🚐 05:29, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Andrevan, what about going after the quirky angle that emphasizes the unique pluralism of America and the distinct melting pot culture of New York? Something along the lines of "...that one of the few, last remaining Jewish dairy restaurants in New York's East Village is run by an Egyptian Muslim and Polish Catholic couple?" Of course, that would require updating the article.[6][7] Viriditas (talk) 20:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- That is a great fact, though it's more about B&H Dairy. While I did include it in that article, I omitted it from this one, though not intentionally. We could shove it into this article but I'm not sure that I like it better than the Trotsky hook or the Narutolovehinata5 special edition straightforward hook. Also, ProfGray figured out about the meat strikes, they were the 1902 kosher meat boycott. That could make that fact usable. Andre🚐 23:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- OK, I found a place to sneak it into the article and it went in easier than I thought, so you have a Viriditas special edition pluralistic ALT4.[1] Andre🚐 23:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Andrevan, what about going after the quirky angle that emphasizes the unique pluralism of America and the distinct melting pot culture of New York? Something along the lines of "...that one of the few, last remaining Jewish dairy restaurants in New York's East Village is run by an Egyptian Muslim and Polish Catholic couple?" Of course, that would require updating the article.[6][7] Viriditas (talk) 20:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Based on my reading of the above, I think this article is ready for a full review. Z1720 (talk) 22:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the article is ready for review. ProfGray made some improvements and I also added the info Viriditas suggested for ALT4. Please let me know if we should spell out ALT4 or if it's clear enough from the earlier conversation. Andre🚐 23:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Jewish dairy restaurant: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia". en.wikipedia.org. Retrieved 2024-10-13.
Articles created/expanded on September 9
Alison Creagh
- ... that Alison Creagh (pictured) became a Member of the Order of Australia "for significant service to veterans and their families, and to rowing"? Source: https://www.gg.gov.au/sites/default/files/2020-07/QB20%20Gazette%20-%20O%20of%20A%20V6.pdf
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC).
- Comment (not a review). The COI banner on the article (with circumstances detailed on the article talk page) needs to be resolved before this can feature in DYK. Cleanup banners are not intended as a permanent mark of shame for articles, but rather to indicate that something can and should be cleaned up. The question then becomes: do the circumstances described on the talk page mean that there is a COI that should be cleaned up? What must be done to the article to clean it up so this banner can be removed? —David Eppstein (talk) 00:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:WTRMT:
neutrality-related templates such as {{COI}} (associated with the conflict of interest guideline) or {{POV}} (associated with the neutral point of view policy) strongly recommend that the tagging editor initiate a discussion (generally on the article's talk page) to support the placement of the tag. If the tagging editor failed to do so, or the discussion is dormant, and there is no other support for the template, it can be removed.
Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)- Do you dispute the COI? Or should I have placed a "paid editor" tag instead? This DYK should siomply be closed, as we shouldn't have such "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" promotion. To quote from a question (not from me) from your 2019 RfA: "In one of the arbitration cases which resulted in a finding against you, there was a finding involving an undisclosed conflict-of-interest that resulted in serious subversion of the FA process. " We here have the same editor with an undisclosed COI at DYK. Here you start wikiwlawyering about the tag (even though I started a discussion about it on the talk page right away, where you haven't responded). Fram (talk) 07:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- There was no such finding, and there was no undisclosed COI. What there is is an editor pursuing a pattern of harassment that got them blocked. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Are you really claiming that you have no COI wrt this article now? Or that the finding (passed 10 to 0) that " Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) has a previously undisclosed conflict of interest [...]" didn't exist? Or both? Fram (talk) 10:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- There was no undisclosed conflict of interest. I have never edited for pay. I was an unpaid Wikipedian in Residence with Paralympics Australia. I have only met the brigadier twice: at the Boccia, where the Chef de Mission introduced us and we talked about our work at Paris 2024, and at the Rowing three days later, when I asked for a photograph, which I took and is used in the article. Please cease the personal attacks on myself and David Eppstein, who was only posting a comment. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- An organisation offers you all kind of help so you can write better or more articles about an event they are heavily involved in, and you then write an article about the CEO of that organisation. How is that not a blatant COI? And I have not made any personal attacks about you, and I haven't made any comment whatsoever about David Eppstein, so I have no idea where you see any personal attacks on them. Anyway, I'll raise this at the COIN board. Fram (talk) 18:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- There was no undisclosed conflict of interest. I have never edited for pay. I was an unpaid Wikipedian in Residence with Paralympics Australia. I have only met the brigadier twice: at the Boccia, where the Chef de Mission introduced us and we talked about our work at Paris 2024, and at the Rowing three days later, when I asked for a photograph, which I took and is used in the article. Please cease the personal attacks on myself and David Eppstein, who was only posting a comment. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Are you really claiming that you have no COI wrt this article now? Or that the finding (passed 10 to 0) that " Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) has a previously undisclosed conflict of interest [...]" didn't exist? Or both? Fram (talk) 10:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- There was no such finding, and there was no undisclosed COI. What there is is an editor pursuing a pattern of harassment that got them blocked. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Do you dispute the COI? Or should I have placed a "paid editor" tag instead? This DYK should siomply be closed, as we shouldn't have such "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" promotion. To quote from a question (not from me) from your 2019 RfA: "In one of the arbitration cases which resulted in a finding against you, there was a finding involving an undisclosed conflict-of-interest that resulted in serious subversion of the FA process. " We here have the same editor with an undisclosed COI at DYK. Here you start wikiwlawyering about the tag (even though I started a discussion about it on the talk page right away, where you haven't responded). Fram (talk) 07:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- WP:WTRMT:
- Without getting into whether or not this should run, WP:DYKTAG explicitly allows articles with COI tags.--Launchballer 23:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- For context, reviewers should be aware of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Alison Creagh.--Launchballer 04:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 10
Articles created/expanded on September 11
It's OK I'm OK
- ... that Tate McRae gets naked in her "It's OK I'm OK" music video?
- Source: News.com.au
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WHOV
NØ 07:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC).
- :: A singer getting naked to promote her song? Propose to revise the hook. Sarvagyana guru (talk) 06:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC) * -->
- ALT1: ... that Tate McRae actually wore a tube top and shorts in her "It's OK I'm OK" music video and was edited to look naked later? Source: Capital
- ALT2: ... that Tate McRae's parents thought her "It's OK I'm OK" music video, in which she appears to be naked, was "so fire"? Source: Capital
- New hooks provided above. Ping to Sarvagyana guru in case you are interested in continuing the review.--NØ 09:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Sarvagyana guru: Do you have a WP:DYKG-based reason for declining ALT0, because a similar hook's been suggested at Self-Ish? (My understanding is that while it is perfectly common for songstresses to wear little while promoting their music, it's unusual for them to wear nothing.) Also, @MaranoFan:, I did get your talk page message, but I was too overwhelmed to respond to it and I have a policy of reviewing oldest first anyway.--Launchballer 12:19, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- No worries about any delays in your response, Launchballer. It is a bit sad that a nomination with multiple perfectly good hooks would have to wait for almost two months, though, when the DYK feature is intended to showcase newly improved content. I will note the first reviewer has not edited in 10 days.--NØ 09:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I hear you. I've been waiting over a month for someone to tick off a reviewer's hook at Gigi Perez.--Launchballer 16:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- No worries about any delays in your response, Launchballer. It is a bit sad that a nomination with multiple perfectly good hooks would have to wait for almost two months, though, when the DYK feature is intended to showcase newly improved content. I will note the first reviewer has not edited in 10 days.--NØ 09:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Sarvagyana guru: Do you have a WP:DYKG-based reason for declining ALT0, because a similar hook's been suggested at Self-Ish? (My understanding is that while it is perfectly common for songstresses to wear little while promoting their music, it's unusual for them to wear nothing.) Also, @MaranoFan:, I did get your talk page message, but I was too overwhelmed to respond to it and I have a policy of reviewing oldest first anyway.--Launchballer 12:19, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Shin Iza Gawna
- ... that after obtaining the philosopher's stone, the monk Shin Iza Gawna caused gold and silver to rain down in Pagan, bringing great wealth to his followers? Source: https://news-eleven.com/article/292466
- Reviewed:
Hteiktinhein (talk) 09:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC).
- This will not be a full review but DYK hooks need to be factual. If we run with this hook, we need to do something like ALT1: that according to legend, after obtaining the philosopher's stone, the monk Shin Iza Gawna caused gold and silver to rain down in Pagan, bringing great wealth to his followers? Bremps... 06:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- agreed! Thanks for new hook but full review needed. Hteiktinhein (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, please... I have an image of the monk's statue, and I’m trying to find it in my iCloud. I will upload it to Wiki Commons soon. Thanks! Hteiktinhein (talk) 21:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- Photo added. It's good time to full review. Hteiktinhein (talk) 16:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- agreed! Thanks for new hook but full review needed. Hteiktinhein (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: New enough and long enough. AGF on hook fact locked behind Snippet View and written in Burmese; also AGF on paraphrasing. Image should not be used, unless we can ascertain that the statue is public domain. Per commons:COM:FOP Myanmar, there is no FOP in Myanmar; consequently, although the image may have been freely licensed in good faith, the statue may preclude it from being true. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 12
Charles Biasiny-Rivera
- ... that photographer Charles Biasiny-Rivera and fellow members of the artistic collective En Foco drove around New York City in his Volkswagen Bus putting on art exhibitions in Latino neighborhoods?
- Source: NY Times
Thriley (talk) 20:13, 19 September 2024 (UTC).
- I'll go ahead and review this, but it's my first review so I hope I do it right! ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 15:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - My one concern would be that the article sentence about driving the Volkswagen around the neighborhoods is a close paraphrase of the source sentence. I'm not sure how big of an issue it is or how else it could be worded though, so I'll defer to what someone with more experience than me says.
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Overall: Would appreciate someone else taking a look as this is my first DYK review. ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 15:21, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Reviewing... Flibirigit (talk) 22:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Citations should be formatted with templates available from Wikipedia:Citation templates. Only one of the four citations has full details such as title, author, publisher, location, access-date, et cetera. Including Template:Infobox person would be helpful and highly recommended, but not mandatory. I've done a bit of copyediting for links and style, and the close paraphrasing. Otherwise, the original review seems correct to me. I defer back to the original reviewer @Darth Stabro: for approval of the nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 22:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Cannonball (MILW train)
- ... that Milwaukee, Wisconsin, had a commuter train nicknamed the Cannonball operating between suburban Watertown until 1972?
- Source: Sanders, Craig (2006). Amtrak in the Heartland. Bloomington, Indiana: Indiana University Press. p. 184. ISBN 978-0-253-34705-3
- Reviewed:
Central Corridor (talk) 19:16, 18 September 2024 (UTC).
- Hi @Central Corridor:, and welcome to DYK. I'm not doing a full review, but I will provide you with some feedback to help out. Firstly, I have tagged some uncited statements in the article that will need to be cited before this article can pass DYK per WP:DYKCITE. Second, I think the proposed hook will not meet the interesting requirement. It simply states a basic fact that even I, someone obsessed with trains to the point they're in my username, do not find particularly interesting. Fortunately, there are some things in the article that we can use to support a better hook. I was drawn to the sentence "The Cannonball gained a reputation for parties that frequently occurred on the Friday night train outbound from Milwaukee. Passengers brought aboard drinks to share, a band played, and the train often held at intermediate stops to replenish beer and ice."
- Based on that sentence, here's my proposed hook: "... that despite being an ordinary commuter train, the Cannonball was often the site of parties with a live band and drinks on Friday nights?"
- One other idea would be a hook about how 89% of riders on the pilot program said they would keep riding the train, yet it still wasn't restored. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Central Corridor: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 22:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- The nominator has not edited since October 7, 2024. This nomination may need to be adopted to move forward. Flibirigit (talk) 23:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Central Corridor: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 22:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Benjamin Franklin Shumard
- ... that an assistant to Texas chief geologist Benjamin Franklin Shumard named an oak species in his honor, but then foiled his reinstatement after he was let go by newly-elected Governor Sam Houston?
- Source: in his honor: Buckley, Samuel Botsford (1860). "Description of Several New Species of Plants". Proc. Acad. Nat. Sci. Philadelphia. 12 (published 1861): 443–445 – via JSTOR. got him fired, see page 7, line 4 of this source: Roessler, A. R. "Reply to the charges made by SB Buckley, State Geologist of Texas, in his official report of 1874, against Dr. BF Shumard and AR Roessler." (1875). https://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/bc3d474b-4e53-4980-8240-9b48ba20b33d/content see also: p.144 (p2 of pdf): Young, Keith (1994-01-01). "The Shumards in Texas". Earth Sciences History. 13 (2): 143–153.
- ALT1: ... that Texas chief geologist Benjamin Franklin Shumard had an oak species named in his honor by an assistant in 1860, who then stymied Shumard's reappointment by Texas Governor Sam Houston? Source: same as above, trying different wording
- ALT2: ... that Benjamin Franklin Shumard was an influential geologist in Texas before serving as a professor of obstetrics in Missouri? Source: https://meridian.allenpress.com/esh/article-abstract/13/2/143/204849/The-Shumards-in-Texas see abstract and p.149
- ALT3: ... that Benjamin Franklin Shumard discovered a marine fossil layer in the Guadalupe Mountains, which was disputed for over 40 years? Source: https://meridian.allenpress.com/esh/article-abstract/13/2/143/204849/The-Shumards-in-Texas see abstract and p.149
- Reviewed:
ProfGray (talk) 18:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC).
- Comment: Hello, professor! I like what you are trying to do, but we want to avoid writing a cell phone novel. Let's also try to drill down and figure out what is interesting. First thing that caught my eye was that this man was a practicing geologist and a practicing physician! That's unusual and interesting, don't you think? He was a State Geologist for Texas and a professor of obstetrics at the University of Missouri! That kind of thing would be unheard of today. Further, you mention he was involved in several geological controversies and his research was expanded upon by others. I feel that you are not giving us the most interesting parts of the article. :-) Viriditas (talk) 22:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- @ProfGray: Do you have suggestions for additional hooks, based on the above? Z1720 (talk) 23:00, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Z1720: Added two ALT hooks. I'm fascinating by the original hook, but fine with me if others have different taste. Thanks for the nudge! ProfGray (talk) 02:03, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- @ProfGray: Try shortening the original hook with an ALT4. Viriditas (talk) 02:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- This shortens it. Try something similar to this:
- … that an assistant to Texas chief geologist Benjamin Franklin Shumard named an oak species after him, but then sabotaged his reinstatement by Governor Sam Houston?
U Wasawa
- ... that the Buddhist monk U Wasawa founded an armed Pyusawhti militia at his monastery and commanded his forces to burn down several villages? Source: https://burmese.dvb.no/post/570515
- Reviewed:
Hteiktinhein (talk) 09:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC).
- Hi, why is no one interested in viewing this DYK for a long time? Please let me know how many days the review process usually takes. Hteiktinhein (talk) 18:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Hteiktinhein! DYK is user driven, with various incentives to review hooks such as to complete their QPQ, interest, or simply goodwill. Predominantly foreign-language sourced articles or longer articles tend to take time to review due to the necessity to verify the various points. It is important to understand that, because sometimes it can take hours or even months, with no guarantee on the article being reviewed as soon as you want it to. Patience is important, and it is important to keep in mind there is no inherent rush for the nomination to move forward once it has been put out there. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 13
Virginia Beach Police Department
- ... that the Virginia Beach Police Department has a force larger than that of Richmond, the state's capital?
- Reviewed:
Erin (SSBelfastFanatic) (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC).
- Promising factoid, but with no provided citation to back it up here. Article was created 15 days ago (on September 3)—a week and change beyond the normal eligibility deadline—but became an AFC graduate on the 13th, so at least we're good here. Said article also has a {{more sources needed section}} banner, which fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE and might as well be addressed ASAP. To the editor now known as @PhoenixCaelestis: As far as your DYK skills are concerned, you're starting to get there, and with two go-rounds in this arena so far, I'll forgive you for that. Wishing you luck next time, and best of editing! --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 12:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Slgrandson: I have solved the tag by yeeting the whole section and several others, that one per WP:DUE.--Launchballer 14:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Slgrandson: Is this approved? If not, what does @PhoenixCaelestis: have to do? I note that your review makes no mention of a copyright check and I think you should do one.--Launchballer 21:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Slgrandson: I have solved the tag by yeeting the whole section and several others, that one per WP:DUE.--Launchballer 14:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 15
Czarodziejski okręt
- ... that The Magic Ship is a Polish robinsonade from 1914, inspired by the works of Jules Verne? Source: https://books.google.co.kr/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=ZX4ZAAAAMAAJ&dq=umi%C5%84ski+%22W+g%C5%82%C4%99binach+oceanu%22&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22Verne%27owsk%C4%85+Szko%C5%82%C4%85+Robinson%C3%B3w%22
- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ pending.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:08, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
- I will be closing this in 24 hours if I don't see a valid QPQ before then @Piotrus:.--Launchballer 14:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed.--Launchballer 18:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Nathania Ong
- ... that Nathania Ong had not even seen the musical when she was offered the role of Éponine in Les Misérables?
KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC).
- More of a comment than a review, but while I do think the hook is marginally interesting, I imagine theater actors being offered roles in plays they'd never seen before is actually not uncommon. As such, I wonder if additional hook angles could be proposed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: that's a reasonable point, though this was what I deemed to be the most interesting "factoid" in the article. And even if it really were the case (that this is "actually not uncommon"), how many times have such hooks appeared on DYK? It sure can't beat the river-related hooks of yesteryear 😆 KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 14:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 16
Krzyż i półksiężyc
- ... that the 1913 Polish novel The Cross and the Crescent is one of the earliest examples of military science fiction genre in Polish literature? Source: https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/uminski_wladyslaw
- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ pending
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
- I will be closing this in 24 hours if I don't see a valid QPQ before then @Piotrus:.--Launchballer 14:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- QPQ provided. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
Krwawy chleb
- ... that the 1909 Polish novel Bloody Bread about the struggles of Polish immigrants in the US was in the 1950s briefly criticized by the Polish communist censors for "glorifying the United States"? Source: http://wrh.edu.pl/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/299_PDFsam_WRH-t.-XII-2015.pdf
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KAUT-TV (added from below September 29)
- Comment:
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
- I will be closing this in 24 hours if I don't see a valid QPQ before then @Piotrus:.--Launchballer 14:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Which policy allows such a speedy closure? I was under the impression QPQ can be done several days or even weeks later, while the nom is on hold. For now, have one here: Template:Did you know nominations/KAUT-TV . I will try to do QPQs for others later this week. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:17, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
WP:QPQ: A nomination which doesn't include a QPQ (and is not from an exempt nominator) may be closed as "incomplete" without warning.--Launchballer 00:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: Per a recent rule change as a result of this discussion, the old rule where QPQs must be provided within a week of the nomination has been phased out. Instead, QPQs should be provided at the time of the nomination, and any nomination that does not immediately provide a QPQ is liable for closure. Doing the QPQs "later this week" is no longer sufficient: they have to be given at the time of the nomination, and you must provide them as soon as possible if you do not want your nominations to be closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer and Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for the heads up. I am not very happy with this change. I've always done my QPQs on time, with submission (and I've done hundreds of them), but just recently someone translated a bunch of my articles form pl wiki without heads up, and I am trying to rescue some of them for DYKs within the time period - and I am a bit busy IRL so for the first time I delayed QPQ. And then this happens. Sigh. You know you can trust me do to my QPQs, no? It's not like I will drop noms here and run. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Launchballer already gave an ultimatum for your open nominations: provide a QPQ within 24 hours of the messages, or they will be closed. If you do not think it will be feasible to complete them all in time then it may be better to just let them go for now and try to avoid this repeating in the future. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that a QPQ was provided for this nom, so it needs a full review.--Launchballer 21:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Launchballer already gave an ultimatum for your open nominations: provide a QPQ within 24 hours of the messages, or they will be closed. If you do not think it will be feasible to complete them all in time then it may be better to just let them go for now and try to avoid this repeating in the future. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 17
Articles created/expanded on September 18
The United States of America (album)
- ... that Columbia Records wanted to change a song title on the 1968 album The United States of America by the band of the same name, because it referenced the then recently deceased Che Guevara?
- ALT1: ... that the title of the 1968 album The United States of America was intended to be a political statement akin to "hanging the flag upside down"?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Had to find an alternate source that I could easily link to as the article uses a book source
Iostn (talk) 21:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but ALT2: ... that the United States of America falls short of being really satisfying? would make an excellent April Fools' hook.--Launchballer 22:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- It would be brilliant. But add the italics and the quotation marks and it should work reasonably well on any day. Surtsicna (talk) 20:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- The article was promoted to GA status 5 days before the DYK nomination. It is, unsurprisingly, also long enough and it meets the sourcing, neutrality, and copyright requirements. The hooks proposed by Iostn are fine, but there is a clear potential for something much grander. See Launchballer's suggestion. We rarely get such gems in the rough, Iostn, but let me know if you cannot bother and I will approve your original hook. Surtsicna (talk) 20:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Surtsicna, I think I'm going to hang on with this nom and wait for the April Fools' proposal, if possible Iostn (talk) 15:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Iostn: While quirky, I do not think this hook fits the spirit of the type of hooks used in the April Fools DYK set. Z1720 (talk) 23:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 19
Chauncey Archiquette
- ... that Chauncey Archiquette was Jim Thorpe's idol?
- Source: Path Lit by Lightning: The Life of Jim Thorpe (Thorpe said "[Archiquette] was my football idol and in our scrub games with the homemade football I always tried to emulate him") / Carlisle Vs. Army ("[Thorpe] was particularly taken with the team's star runner, an Indian boy named Chauncey Archiquette ... One day, Thorpe told himself, I'm going to be as tough as Chauncey ... [Thorpe, after watching practice] raced back and forth over the empty field, zigging here, zagging there, trying to emulate his idol.")
BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC).
- @BeanieFan11: Although Thorpe was a highly accomplished and iconic athlete of his era, I'm not actually sure if most Americans today know who he is or at least recognize his name (speaking as a non-American). In addition, I don't know if Thorpe is a name that is known internationally. As such, the hook as currently written may not be broadly interesting enough to meet WP:DYKINT. Additional hook suggestions are probably needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I considered this when making the nomination, but Thorpe is one of the most famous athletes of all time. Books are written about him nearly every year and we still have articles from the past few months such as "Thorpe was and still is the greatest athlete in the history of sports" / "On this day in history, May 28, 1888, Jim Thorpe, 'greatest athlete in the world,' is born" – I would be very surprised if the vast majority of people don't recognize his name. I feel like it may lose some of its 'punch', but if really necessary, we could say something like ALT1 ... that Chauncey Archiquette was the idol of Jim Thorpe, regarded as one of the greatest athletes in history? BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'll probably have to cite WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE here:
don't assume everyone worldwide is familiar with your subject
. And for what it's worth, I made a bit of an informal survey about this on Discord, and the three editors who responded said they didn't know who Thorpe is. Note that my thoughts about the hook are independent of the survey; in fact, I made the survey because I wanted to know if American editors might find the hook interesting and to check my own thoughts. As for the nomination itself, the safest option here is probably to try a completely different angle. While ALT1 is arguably a better option, as you said, it loses some of the punch with the additional context. Thorpe is no Lionel Messi or Michael Jordan to warrant the angle, methinks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)- I'm rather stunned at the idea that Thorpe isn't well known enough. I don't really see any other good options with the article as well. Would changing the hook so that it does not mention Thorpe, but still has that aspect, work? – I.e. something like ALT2 ... that the "greatest athlete in the world" was inspired by Chauncey Archiquette? (I'd need to add the quote to the article, but Thorpe has widely been called that.) BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think that's a better hook, but I'm not sure if it will pass scrutiny. DYK usually wants quotes in quote hooks to be attributed whenever possible, but adding an attribution to the hook would probably weaken the article's punch. It might be a good idea to seek opinions from other editors who are experts on wordsmithing like RoySmith, Theleekycauldron, or Launchballer. In any case, I'd suggest dropping any hook that directly mentions Jim Thorpe per WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE and either having only ALT2 for consideration for now, or trying a different angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- I also have never heard of Jim Thorpe, although that may be because I know little about sports in general. I quite like ALT3: ... that tacklers "bounced off" Chauncey Archiquette "as if he were a brick wall"?.--Launchballer 15:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- That works. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I also have never heard of Jim Thorpe, although that may be because I know little about sports in general. I quite like ALT3: ... that tacklers "bounced off" Chauncey Archiquette "as if he were a brick wall"?.--Launchballer 15:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think that's a better hook, but I'm not sure if it will pass scrutiny. DYK usually wants quotes in quote hooks to be attributed whenever possible, but adding an attribution to the hook would probably weaken the article's punch. It might be a good idea to seek opinions from other editors who are experts on wordsmithing like RoySmith, Theleekycauldron, or Launchballer. In any case, I'd suggest dropping any hook that directly mentions Jim Thorpe per WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE and either having only ALT2 for consideration for now, or trying a different angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'm rather stunned at the idea that Thorpe isn't well known enough. I don't really see any other good options with the article as well. Would changing the hook so that it does not mention Thorpe, but still has that aspect, work? – I.e. something like ALT2 ... that the "greatest athlete in the world" was inspired by Chauncey Archiquette? (I'd need to add the quote to the article, but Thorpe has widely been called that.) BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'll probably have to cite WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE here:
- Full review needed now that hook discussion has taken place. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:44, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 20
Alfredo Arreguín
- ... that Alfredo Arreguín has been called the "dean of Latino art in the Pacific Northwest"?
- Source: Marmor, Jon (September 2001). "For Alfredo Arreguin, art blooms from adversity". University of Washington Magazine.
- ALT1: ... that Alfredo Arreguín has represented both the United States and Mexico in the international art world? Source: Brown, Quinn Russell (2023-05-07). "Alfredo Arreguín, Painter of Myth and Memory, Dies at 88". Hyperallergic. Retrieved 2023-05-09.
- Reviewed:
ProfessorBeaver (talk) 18:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
- Hi ProfessorBeaver, thanks for your nomination. I am only measuring about a 2.7x expansion between this pre-existing revision and the current length of the article. The requirement in the DYK rules is for a minimum of a 5x expansion. I suspect almost doubling the length again is unachievable? Your best bet to bring this to the main page might be down the WP:Good Article route? Let me know what you think - Dumelow (talk) 15:15, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi ProfessorBeaver, just a reminder on this. If I don't hear back I will presume further expansion is not possible and will close the nomination as unsuccessful - Dumelow (talk) 08:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Kesaria Abramidze
- ... that Kesaria Abramidze (pictured) was one of the first transgender public figures in Georgia?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Very popular Georgian trans model who has been murdered the day after the country's parliament passed an anti-LGTBI propaganda law, shocking the country. Article was created 3 days ago and is short, but have 2,027.
_-_Alsor (talk) 14:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC).
- It currently has a cleanup tag, please address or remove _-_Alsor (t · c) buidhe 23:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Alsoriano97: Clean-up tag is still present, marking for closure as rejected. Z1720 (talk) 23:09, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Gitmo playlist
- ... that Guantanamo Bay prison probably didn't have an official playlist?
- ALT1: ... that the creator of the theme song for Barney laughed when he found out it was used during American interrogations? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jun/19/usa.guantanamo
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I personally prefer ALT1, but it's a minor preference.
Based5290 :3 (talk) 04:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC).
Growing Form
- ... that sculptor Moelwyn Merchant described his 1982 piece Growing Form (pictured) as resembling "a tulip bud with the front leaf pulled out"?
- Source: "Sculptor: Moelwyn Merchant ... the artist described it as "like a tulip bud with the front leaf pulled out"" from: Noszlopy, George Thomas; Waterhouse, Fiona (1 January 2005). Public Sculpture of Staffordshire and the Black Country. Liverpool University Press. p. 44. ISBN 978-0-85323-989-5.
Dumelow (talk) 13:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC).
- Solid article on a piece of public artwork with an interesting hook. The article is long and new enough, reliably sourced and I believe it meets the DYK criteria. Good job. Moondragon21 (talk) 13:11, 22 October 2024
Khun Tan (mystic)
- ... that the Pa'O religious figure Khun Tan seducing hundreds of young girls by portraying himself as the next Buddha? Source: https://burma.irrawaddy.com/women-in-media/2017/11/08/145696.html
- ALT1: ... that in hopes of gaining good luck, young girls in the Alantaya area were offering their first virginity to Khun Tan, who claimed to be the future Buddha? Source: https://www.irrawaddy.com/news/burma/police-hunt-man-claimed-next-buddha-abuse-young-women.html
- Reviewed:
Hteiktinhein (talk) 06:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC).
- Neither hook meets WP:DYKBLP. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:02, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- I understand. How about the news hooks below:
ALT1-a: ... that, in hopes of gaining good luck, six girls from the Alantaya area were married to Khun Tan, a layman who claimed to be the future Buddha?
ALT1-b: ... that Khun Tan, a young guy, is worshipped as a bodhisattva in the Alantaya religious area?
ALT1-c: ... that girls in the Alantaya religious area believe that marrying the layman Khun Tan would bring blessings? Hteiktinhein (talk) 18:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Genocide in the Hebrew Bible
- ... that the biblical command to "spare no one" has been applied to Native Americans, Rwandan Tutsi, and Palestinians?
(t · c) buidhe 05:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC).
- I don't see the hook in the article. It is OR to interpret labelling one's enemy "Amalek" as applying biblical command to "spare no one". I haven't checked the sources, but the article does not support the hook. Srnec (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the original hook I was thinking of is ALT1 below but I wasn't sure if it would be accepted either.
- ALT1: ... that genocide in the Hebrew Bible has been cited as an inspiration by the Crusaders, Rwandan Hutu, and Israeli leaders? (t · c) buidhe 02:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- I'll take a stab at this. I trust Buidhe to be the subject expert and do good research, but I concur that the section on "Justification for violence" here is a bit underdeveloped for the hooks proposed. I can't find the text of the article clearly confirming ALT0. As for ALT1, I'd ask "justification for what"? Carrying genocide? But that is not clear from the short quote about Pope Urban in the 11th century and then... Martin Luther? Did Luther called or tried to justify some genocide? I'd ask for that section to be expanded, clearly stating who said what, and in particular, who might have tried to justify genocide. The second paragraph in that section is more clear, and perhaps an ALT2 about "Genocide in the Hebrew Bible being used by Israeli leaders to justify their actions in the Israel-Hamas war" might be fine, and would probably draw more views too. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
- Alt1 isn't about justification, rather inspiration. Leaving aside Luther's arguably genocidal stated beliefs about Jewish people, something along the lines of your hook may be better. (t · c) buidhe 03:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that Israeli leaders have described their enemies in the current Gaza war as targets of divinely commanded genocide?
(t · c) buidhe 03:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- I think most readers would probably still interpret that as "Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza because the Bible told them to", which I don't see support for in the sourcing. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:33, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: Have your concerns been resolved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 23:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Z1720: @Buidhe: @Theleekycauldron: Sorry for late reply, I wasn't pinged and my watchlist have moved beyond being manageable years ago. I'd approve hook 2 (ALT2) except new concerns have been raised by theleekycauldron and they should be replied to by the nom. Can we come up with a better hook or reword something to address them? (I still think the justification section in article is poorly written, but that is not a DYK-level concern). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:20, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 21
Jeya Wilson
- ... that Jeya Wilson invited New Zealand prime minister David Lange to debate the moral indefensibility of nuclear weapons at the Oxford Union?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sunny Choi
- Comment: DrThneed wrote the bio but she's a tad busy, hence she's asked me whether I would like to see this through the DYK process. I'm only too happy to oblige as Jeya Wilson is such a fascinating person. If you have time, I suggest you watch her opening speech at the Oxford Union debate, which is linked from the source above. And if you want to be in for a treat, wach David Lange's speech (second-to-last speaker) – an absolute stunner of a performance. Almost every New Zealander knows one of the lines that he delivered in that speech.
Schwede66 09:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on September 22
Meijer de Hond
- ... that Dutch rabbi Meijer de Hond (pictured), who grew up in poverty, was known as the "Volksrebbe" for his popularity among the Jewish poor of Amsterdam?
Thriley (talk) 19:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC).
- @Thriley: New enough and long enough. QPQ present. Hook fact checks out to Dutch-language source. The passage He and his entire family were murdered in Auschwitz and Sobibor. needs a citation before approval. Added some categories to the article as well. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your review. I have added a citation. Thriley (talk) 21:29, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- We are good to go. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Barquq Castle
- ... that the front façade, gateway, mosque and minaret of Barquq Castle in the Gaza Strip were still standing until 2024?
- Source: Abu Khalaf 1983, p. 182: "Nowadays the Khan is almost demolished, but the front part, which consists of the fac;ade including the gateway and the Mosque with its minaret still stands."
Onceinawhile (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2024 (UTC).
- @Onceinawhile: Please note that per a recent rule change, a QPQ must be provided at the time of the nomination or at most immediately after. The nomination may be failed without further warning if a QPQ is not provided as soon as possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. I have done the QPQ now. Onceinawhile (talk) 06:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed now the QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 23
Korzeniacy, czyli Jesień wsamrazków
- ... that a modern Polish fairy tale, written during the time of martial law in Poland in the 1980s, mixes the themes of real-world environmental protection and fantasty-like gnomes? Source: Kowalczykówna (1989) cited in the article
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:32, 1 October 2024 (UTC).
Kichuś majstra Lepigliny
- ... that the book called "Polish Pinocchio" was published a hundred years ago? Source: https://www.ceeol.com/search/article-detail?id=565123
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC).
- @Piotrus: The hook seems to be behind a paywall. Can you give a short quotation from the citation that references the hook for verification?--v/r - TP 14:54, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- @TParis: For me this is free to download without even Wikipedia Library (just requires a free account, which I encourage you to register). Anyway, the text is on p. 290 and states in Polish: "Ostatnią część rozdziału Staniów poświęca polskim inspiracjom twórczością włoskich autorów i nawiązaniom do niej (na przykład Kichuś majstra Lepigliny Janiny Porazińskiej, zwany „polskim Pinokiem”)". FYI the referred work is „A jednak Pinokio! O literaturze włoskiej dla dzieci w Polsce w latach 1945–2012”, a chapter in a 2014 book Przekłady w systemie małych literatur. O włoskopolskich i polskowłoskich tłumaczeniach dla dzieci i młodzieży (the cited article is a review of it). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. It's my bedtime tonight but tomorrow I'll finish this review.--v/r - TP 06:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- @TParis: For me this is free to download without even Wikipedia Library (just requires a free account, which I encourage you to register). Anyway, the text is on p. 290 and states in Polish: "Ostatnią część rozdziału Staniów poświęca polskim inspiracjom twórczością włoskich autorów i nawiązaniom do niej (na przykład Kichuś majstra Lepigliny Janiny Porazińskiej, zwany „polskim Pinokiem”)". FYI the referred work is „A jednak Pinokio! O literaturze włoskiej dla dzieci w Polsce w latach 1945–2012”, a chapter in a 2014 book Przekłady w systemie małych literatur. O włoskopolskich i polskowłoskich tłumaczeniach dla dzieci i młodzieży (the cited article is a review of it). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Much of the citations are Polish books that I do not have access to nor read the language. So I am basing the copyright check on my opinion of the reputation of the nominator. The hook is interesting enough, but I think the bit about intentionally using archaic language is even more interesting if @Piotrus: wanted to incorporate that into a hook too. But passing since the existing hook is good enough. v/r - TP 23:09, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Muthkwey
- ... that məθkʷəy̓ was not harvested or walked over, because it had grown from the droppings of a two-headed serpent?
- Source: "Another story tells that our ancestors had never seen this plant before, and that they considered it to be sacred because it came from sʔi:łqəy̓ (Musqueam Indian Band, 2011). Our people were not permitted to walk over or harvest it." Sparrow, Corrina (2006). "Reclaiming Spaces Between: Coast Salish Two Spirit Identities and Experiences". Bachelor of Social Work, University of Victoria: 50–51. Retrieved 20 September 2024. "muthkwey come again year come next.year muthkwey. When it was another year, next year then that plant muthkwey spread out when it grew. It bloomed like any other plant. But it was not like any other plant. The old people did not step on it. It was thought sacred. It was from the droppings of the monster, the seelthkey." Suttles, Wayne P. (2004). Musqueam Reference Grammar. Page 545 UBC Press. ISBN 978-0-7748-1002-9. Retrieved 20 September 2024
- Reviewed: Noken system
- Comment:
Will work on the QPQ shortly,thank you to the reviewer in advance! Done the QPQ!
Ornithoptera (talk) 23:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC).
- @Ornithoptera: Just a question: is the weird spelling of the subject on purpose? IIRC, non-standard/stylized spellings are discouraged on DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Narutolovehinata5, the "weird spelling" in question is the Americanist phonetic notation that is used for Indigenous North American languages. Like many terms in the languages of the Pacific Northwest Coast, məθkʷəy̓ is not "romanized" in the traditional sense because they still use Latin characters and contemporary inclusions of the notation are often unedited, such as "ʔálʔal Café" rather than "All-all Cafe" I will provide some examples of such:
- The hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓ word “məθkʷəy̓” was initially transcribed in English as “grass,” resulting in xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam) People being known as “People of the River Grass.”
- The tall grass is to represent Musqueam, the flowering plant məθkʷəy̓, which grows in the Fraser River estuary. Stories have been passed on from generation to generation that explains how we became known as the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm — People of the məθkʷəy̓ plant.
- The Musqueam people are the people of the məθkʷəy̓, the river grass, and we have stewarded the mouth of the Fraser River since time immemorial.
- The name xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam) relates back to the flowering plant, məθkʷəy̓, which once abundantly grew throughout Musqueam territory.
- The məθkʷəy̓ was described as a saχʷəl, which means “grass” or "plant." It was initially transcribed to English as a grass, and for some time the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm people have been known as “people of the river grass.”
- For further reading, here is a quote from the University of British Columbia on the matter: "In the 1970’s, the Musqueam community began their journey towards language revitalization, and formally adopted the North American Phonetic Alphabet (NAPA). NAPA allows the sounds of hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓ to be more accurately conveyed in writing. The symbols that may be unfamiliar to you, including ə, q̓, θ, xʷ, and more have corresponding phonetics that you can learn in order to pronounce written hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓."
- There is no "standard" transliteration, most English language sources refer to the plant as məθkʷəy̓ with no alteration. The article title was based on the one that Wayne Suttles employed in his 2004 Musqueam Reference Grammar, but there are multiple ways to transliterate this term without a standardized form, nor is there much of a need to, as the base of the notation are Latin characters. I thought it would be ideal to use the term with no alteration as many other sources have before. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:04, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see. I was asking because, from what I remember, DYK usually doesn't use non-Latin characters in hooks. I'm pretty sure there was a guideline about it (I think using the language template?) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- To my understanding Narutolovehinata5, the Americanist phonetic notation is (to a degree) the Latin alphabet, and I'm sure there have been instances where letters such as Þ or ð have made their way into DYK before. For the record, I am comfortable with adjusting it if at the end of the day it is in violation of DYK guidelines, but I thought it might be good to have my thoughts on the matter before jumping the gun. I do hope that there isn't a double standard for some non-standard characters from certain languages over others. Ornithoptera (talk) 00:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see. I was asking because, from what I remember, DYK usually doesn't use non-Latin characters in hooks. I'm pretty sure there was a guideline about it (I think using the language template?) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Ngiam Tong Dow
- ... that Singapore's first and largest purchase of gold from South Africa was completed in 1968 by comparing two halves of a United States one-dollar bill?
- Source: "In 1968, we went to the World Bank meeting. The South Africans were there and we invited the South African Finance Minister to our hotel room."
"Dr Goh wanted to buy gold at a fixed price, rather than a floating market price. So we agreed to buy 100 tons, a substantial amount, at $40 US dollars." "Then he took out his US one dollar note. And sliced it into halves! Just like that. He gave half to me and said, "You keep this. I will keep the other half and my man will meet you in Switzerland."" "I handed the sliced US dollar note over. He took out the other half. It matched! The serial numbers were the same."
Ngiam, Tong Dow. A Mandarin and the Making of Public Policy: Reflections by Ngiam Tong Dow. ISBN: 978-9971-69-350-3- Reviewed:
BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 09:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: v/r - TP 15:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
The Bear season 2
- ... that the second season of The Bear has won the most Emmys for any comedy series in a single year?
- Reviewed:
Mjks28 (talk) 02:32, 25 September 2024 (UTC).
- Proper length and age, I can easily find the source in the article and the source, and the hook is interesting. No other issues. Nice work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lbal (talk • contribs) 22:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Mjks28 and Lbal: Earwig shows that The Bear season 2 §§ ep12 and ep18 are largely identical to the first paragraphs of Honeydew Transcript and The Bear Transcript, respectively. For the former, there's an archive showing that it existed on July 16, over a month before the Wikipedia article was published. This potential copyright violation should have been found in the review, and needs to be addressed before the hook can be promoted to prep. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Sonya Friedman
- ... that self-help psychologist Sonya Friedman published a book on women who were monogamous with two men at the same time?
- Source: "What binds them is their having a two-track existence that allows them to preserve their marriage while having a more fulfilling relationship. They are monogamous to two men." - In “Secret Loves” (Crown), therapist Sonya Friedman…, Chicago Tribune
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/History of chocolate
- Comment: The article was moved to mainspace with this edit.
SilverserenC 23:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
- ALT1 that according to self-help psychologist Sonya Friedman, men are just desserts? Thriley (talk) 01:35, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 that according to self-help psychologist Sonya Friedman, a hero is more than just a sandwich? Thriley (talk) 02:14, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3 that self-help psychologist Sonya Friedman, encouraged women to "give up junk food love and find a naturally sweet man"? Thriley (talk) 02:19, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 24
Sankar Montoute
- ... that Sankar Montoute was the first NFL player from Trinidad and Tobago?
- Source: PFR
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jamaludin Malik (legislator)
- Comment: Will do QPQ within next 24 hours.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC).
- interesting hook. However the cited reference does not explicitly state that Sankar Montoute is the first player from Trinidad and Tobago in NFL. There are names of 5 other players from Trinidad and Tobago in this list. Cited source may be updated Sarvagyana guru (talk) 06:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Sarvagyana guru: Row five in the hook source has the dates when each of the five players started their careers. As the source states, Montoute debuted in 1987, which is earlier than the others, who played later (Curvin Richards 1991, Kerry Carter 2003, Anthony Herrera 2005, Yannik Cudjoe-Virgil 2015). BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- @BeanieFan11:: You are right. Agreed. Sarvagyana guru (talk) 11:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Sarvagyana guru: Row five in the hook source has the dates when each of the five players started their careers. As the source states, Montoute debuted in 1987, which is earlier than the others, who played later (Curvin Richards 1991, Kerry Carter 2003, Anthony Herrera 2005, Yannik Cudjoe-Virgil 2015). BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Sarvagyana guru: What else needs to be done to approve this hook? If it is ready, are you able to approve this? Z1720 (talk) 23:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Pleasure Garden (painting)
- ... that when the painting Pleasure Garden (pictured) was offered to the Robert McDougall Art Gallery, considerable controversy ensued?
- Source: ‘Pleasure garden’ was the first work by Hodgkins to be acquired for the collection and remains one of the most controversial acquisitions in the Gallery’s history. Further: However, a group of Christchurch subscribers did purchase ‘Pleasure garden’, and presented it to the Robert McDougall Art Gallery in 1949. The painting was rejected ‘on its [lack of] merits’. Controversy ensued and, when the work was again offered to Christchurch City Council in July 1951, it was finally taken into the Robert McDougall Art Gallery’s collection.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mayors in New Zealand
- Comment: The article was written by Manymanydogs; I merely did a bit of tidying up. A very nice piece of work and the hook would go rather well with the striking image. It's worth talking about the painting's copyright status because this may well come up. The uploader's user name is "TimJonesCAGTPoW" and that would be Tim Jones from the Christchurch Art Gallery. He's been there forever and as you can see in his profile, he has responsibility for the archives of the Robert McDougall Art Gallery. When Tim says that they (the gallery) own the copyright, and he's happy to release it under a free license, he knows exactly what he's doing. Tim works quite a bit with Wikipedians (that's how I've met him before) and he has his head around copyright.
Schwede66 04:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC).
Ye Gongchuo
- ... that Ye Gongchuo (pictured) worked for emperors, warlords, and republicans, before leaving politics to focus on art?
- Source: Mostly supported by Powell, J. B., ed. (1925). Who's Who in China. Shanghai: Millard's Review.; leaving politics is supported by Andrews, Julia F.; Shen, Kuiyi (2012). The Art of Modern China. Berkeley, California: University of California Press. ISBN 978-0-520-23814-5.
- ALT1: ... that Ye Gongchuo (pictured) dealt duck head pills in Shanghai? Source: Yan Jiasen (严家森) Ma Xiao (马潇) (5 August 2003). "[祖孙篇 叶衍兰 叶恭绰] 进则为达官,退亦是名士" [[Grandparents and Grandchildren: Ye Yanlan and Ye Gongchuo] If You Advance, You Will Be a High Official; If You Retreat, You Will Be a Famous Scholar]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 12 August 2022. Retrieved 23 September 2024. (他曾极力推动成立上海博物馆,后来还把重金购得的稀世珍品——晋朝王献之的《鸭头丸帖》真迹,慨然捐献给了上海博物馆。; "He had strongly promoted the establishment of the Shanghai Museum, and later donated the rare treasure he had purchased at a high price, the original copy of the "Duck Head Pills" by Wang Xianzhi of the Jin Dynasty, to the Shanghai Museum.")
- ALT2: ... that, when China needed to standardize its railway terminology, it sent for a poet? Source: Powell, J. B., ed. (1925). Who's Who in China. Shanghai: Millard's Review.; Yan Jiasen (严家森) Ma Xiao (马潇) (5 August 2003). "[祖孙篇 叶衍兰 叶恭绰] 进则为达官,退亦是名士" [[Grandparents and Grandchildren: Ye Yanlan and Ye Gongchuo] If You Advance, You Will Be a High Official; If You Retreat, You Will Be a Famous Scholar]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 12 August 2022. Retrieved 23 September 2024. (via Guangdong Library)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1961 Pittsburg State Gorillas football team
- Comment: Yes, I know ALT1 is a bit out there. It might be worth an April Fools slot.
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
Expandable card game
- ... that compared to collectible card games, expandable card games focus more on storytelling and cooperation? Source: https://www.playthepast.org/?p=6913 and its subsequent parts linked in the article as refs
- ALT1: ... that expandable card games are sometimes known as "living card games", but the latter term, while popular, is trademarked by a single company, preventing its use by competitors? Source: http://www.pairofdiceparadise.com/expandable-card-games-ecg-trademarks-patents-3-of-3-a167.php
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Genocide in the Hebrew Bible
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on September 25
Dalibor Riccardi
- ... that new San Marino head of state Dalibor Riccardi played over 70 matches in the country's football league?
- Source: San Marino RTV mentions (translated) "Passionate about sports, he played football at a competitive level"; Soccerway has 71 matches in national football league
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dick Moss
- Comment: It looks like I'm a few hours late. Hope that's alright.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:15, 3 October 2024 (UTC).
Kazimierz Sakowicz
- ... that Polish journalist and resistance member Kazimierz Sakowicz spent three years recording the deaths of tens of thousands in his diary, which was eventually published decades later? Source: Margolis (2005), or Wilczewski (2009), or Guesnet (2003)
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC).
- Article is interesting and the hook is captivating and not too baity. I removed the picture of Sakowicz, because it clearly isn't him and the picture isn't from 1939.Marcelus (talk) 11:47, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
Current nominations
Articles created/expanded on September 26
Culinary Class Wars
- ... that the judges of the Culinary Class Wars (pictured) were blindfolded and spoon-fed?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Magic (play)
- Comment: There's some clean-up to do now the first season has finished but it's time to make a start
Andrew🐉(talk) 20:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
- At the time of nomination the article was exactly 7 days old (which fits I guess), and the length seems to fit standard. There are some good English sources and a lot of Korean coverage, so I don't doubt that this is notable. Earwig says no copyvios, but the article is a bit messy. (Why does the "endless cooking hell" section have nothing in it, for one?) Most importantly, the hook is also little bit vague, and I don't think it would capture much attention. Good day, Wuju Daisuki (Talk? 뭐 그까이꺼 대충!) 17:11, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- The show was released in three installments and the first season has finished now. The article has been fleshed out to complete details of all the rounds. I'm doing some further clean-up and completion. More anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Wuju Daisuki: The article has been expanded and I've added an ALT hook for your consideration, please. It works well with the picture, I reckon. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Wuju Daisuki: Have your concerns been resolved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 23:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- * @Z1720: The article looks in better shape now, but the alt you provided is not well written, nor would it be very interesting if it was. Good day, Wuju Daisuki (Talk? 뭐 그까이꺼 대충!) 02:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Hanif Kureshi
- ... that Indian street artist Hanif Kureshi, working pseudonymously as Daku, would use Google Street View images to practice his art before rendering them on the streets? Source: [Livemint]
Ktin (talk) 01:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC).
Ye Yanlan
- ... that Ye Yanlan compiled 171 portraits of Qing dynasty scholars, but these were not published until decades after his death?
- Source: Yan Jiasen (严家森) Ma Xiao (马潇) (5 August 2003). "[祖孙篇 叶衍兰 叶恭绰] 进则为达官,退亦是名士" [[Grandparents and Grandchildren: Ye Yanlan and Ye Gongchuo] If You Advance, You Will Be a High Official; If You Retreat, You Will Be a Famous Scholar]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 12 August 2022. Retrieved 23 September 2024 – via Guangdong Library. [同时,由于他擅长丹青,留意搜集历代名贤的画像,其中清代学者的尤为丰富,积三十年之功,得到169人171幅图像,给后世留下了宝贵的《清代学者象传》。 At the same time, because he was good at painting, he paid attention to collecting portraits of famous people from past dynasties, especially scholars from the Qing Dynasty. After 30 years of hard work, he collected 171 images of 169 people, leaving behind the precious "Portraits of Scholars in the Qing Dynasty" for future generations.]
- ALT1: ... that, according to his family, Ye Yanlan was compelled to leave government service after speaking Cantonese in front of the Emperor of China? Source: Yeh, Max (2006a). "The Yeh Family Collection". The Elegant Gathering: The Yeh Family Collection. Asian Art Museum. pp. 1–14. ISBN 978-0-939117-33-8. "Family stories say that he was exiled out of the court back to Panyu because he spoke Cantonese in the presence of the emperor, one of those southern, nationalistic claims to resisting the “foreign,” Manchurian dynasty."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Atsuko Tanaka (voice actress)
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:53, 26 September 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Hi Chris! This is another well-written and well-sourced article about a Chinese historical figure. Earwig shows that it is copyvio free, and the sources for the hook check out. Personally, I find ALT1 to be more interesting, (not because I am a native Cantonese speaker,) but as many painters have their works published posthumously, it is not really that special or interesting. So I would prefer ALT1. —Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 13:44, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 27
Phoebe Plummer
... that during Phoebe Plummer's May 2024 jury trial over a climate protest, the court finished early on several days due to the heat? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/15/uk-climate-activists-convicted-in-first-trial-of-new-anti-protest-lawsALT1: ... that an October 2022 protest involving Just Stop Oil member Phoebe Plummer inspired many activists worldwide to throw food at paintings? Source: https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/11/17/just-stop-oil-phoebe-plummer-prison/- ALT2: ... that when Phoebe Plummer faced trial over the Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest, they was "unfortunate" to draw Christopher Hehir as judge? Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/30/just-stop-oil-soup-throwing-protests-moral-toddlerhood/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Zero-emission zone in Oxford, Template:Did you know nominations/CyberJoly Drim, Template:Did you know nominations/Ajah Pritchard-Lolo
- Comment: Plummer was created 27 September, though I did a 5x expansion on 2 October, added Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest three days later, and added Christopher Hehir two days after that.
Launchballer 03:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
Walter Campbell Smith
- ... that in retirement and after a long career of military and civil service Walter Campbell Smith changed his legal name to Walter Campbell-Smith?
- Source: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/41787/page/5027 - London Gazette, 1959 'Notice is hereby given that by a Deed Poll dated 21st July 1959, and enrolled in the Supreme Court of Judicature on 5th August 1959, I, WALTER CAMPBELL-SMITH ... Retired Civil Servant .. abandoned the surname of Smith. —Dated the 6th day of August 1959. W. Campbell-Smith, formerly Walter Campbell Smith.
- ALT1: ... that Walter Campbell Smith's ability in Latin helped win him his first job as a mineralogist in the British Museum, where he then worked for his whole career? Source: Cherry Lewis, The Dating Game, 2012, p 51 - google books extract https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Dating_Game/d2AZZ3NXuogC? - [Appointment as assistant to the department of mineralogy in 1910] "While Holmes came first in mineralogy .. he came second overall, Latin apparently letting him down. Walter Campbell Smith was awarded the post and stayed there all his working life"
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Wilf Perreault
- Comment: Expanded the article from a 2 line stub, prompted by User: P.d.gunstone who added the category of Artists Rifles
Chaiten1 (talk) 10:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC).
- This is not a full review right now(I'll try and get that done in a little bit), but I personally believe the hooks aren't really interesting enough for DYK, ALT0, and definitely more so. I didn't spot any eye-catching facts in my very brief pre-skim, but if @Chaiten1: has any other hooks from the article, feel free to add. If anyone disagrees that these are interesting, please ping me so we can discuss. --PixDeVl
yelltalk to me! 23:38, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you @PixDeVl: I have one more offline source to check out, but I will come up with a couple more hooks to try out. The guy served in two World Wars, was in the chemical weapons unit at the Somme, and published his last article at the age of 94, so I am sure there's something to be found. Here are two more:
- ALT2 ..that Walter Campbell Smith's training in mineralogy led him to volunteer with the chemical warfare unit of British army during World War 1?
- Source: Foulkes, Charles (1934). Gas! The story of the Special Brigade. William Blackwood and Sons, Edinburgh. p. 62. "The twelve volunteers joined at Helfaut ... and were of the greatest assistance in our first three gas attacks. ... Campbell Smith stayed on in the special brigade" [offline source]
- ALT3 ..that geologist Walter Campbell Smith was still writing papers at the age of 94?
- Source: Journal of Gemmology, 1989 https://gem-a.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/JoG1989_21_8.pdf "culminated in a long paper based largely on his personal knowledge of 'Seventy Years of Research in mineralogy and crystallography in the Department of Mineralogy 1857-1927' which was published in 1982 when he was 94. Chaiten1 (talk) 16:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Awesome, thanks @Chaiten1:, I'll do the review soon. If you get any others from your offline source feel free to add and ping me. I'm leaning toward using ALT3 personally, but if you have something more interesting we can definitely go for it. --PixDeVl
yelltalk to me! 17:21, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Awesome, thanks @Chaiten1:, I'll do the review soon. If you get any others from your offline source feel free to add and ping me. I'm leaning toward using ALT3 personally, but if you have something more interesting we can definitely go for it. --PixDeVl
- Source: Journal of Gemmology, 1989 https://gem-a.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/JoG1989_21_8.pdf "culminated in a long paper based largely on his personal knowledge of 'Seventy Years of Research in mineralogy and crystallography in the Department of Mineralogy 1857-1927' which was published in 1982 when he was 94. Chaiten1 (talk) 16:59, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Looks good to me @Chaiten1: I'm going to WP:BOLDLY go ahead and give this full approval since I'm fairly confident in this being a compliment with the criteria(if someone disagrees please correct me). I will suggest before promoting that perhaps expanding ALT1 to mention who he beat(the guy who pioneered radiometric dating) would probably be interesting enough since beating someone who made such a significant contribution by being better at a now dead language is a fun tidbit. I'd leave it to you to pick which should be promoted(or the promoter, I admit I'm not familiar with the process of closing DYK noms, feel free to point me to the right page or explain it :p). PixDeVl yell talk to me! 17:53, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Irish Museum of Time
- ... that the world's oldest timepiece with an anchor escapement is in the collection of the Irish Museum of Time (pictured)?
- Source: "One of its most valuable pieces is a clock made in London by William Clement.
- The gold-plated piece dates back to 1663 and is the oldest clock in the world with an anchor escapement – the part of the clock that makes it go "tick-tock". https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/museum-of-time-faces-exercise-in-patience-putting-200-clocks-forward-this-weekend/a1629974158.html
Lajmmoore (talk) 15:29, 28 September 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Hello @さえぼー: I hope you are well! 🙂 I have just a few minor issues to fix before passing this DYK. Everything else from this review looks good, but specifically in the Reception section, could you could remove the text with the finest collection of Irish timepieces in the world as it is both not neutral and taken word-for-word from the source? Two other sentences I would change would be: Since the opening, it has been a popular tourist destination.[9] In 2024, along with the nearby Bishop's Palace, it was recognised by Tripadvisor's Travellers’ Choice Awards.[10] to The museum has become a tourist destination,[9] and in 2024 was recognised, along with the nearby Bishop's Palace, by Tripadvisor's Travellers' Choice Awards.[10] for more neutrality, and [...] and to participate in the Epic Walking Tour, a guided walk around the Viking Triangle.[12] to and to participate in a guided walk around the Viking Triangle.[12] again for more neutrality. Super minor things, and after these are addressed, I'd love to pass the DYK. Cheers! Johnson524 16:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the comment. I fixed the issues. --saebou (talk) 18:35, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Passing DYK! Johnson524 22:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the comment. I fixed the issues. --saebou (talk) 18:35, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 28
Old City of Gaza, Old City of Nablus
- ... that both the Old City of Gaza and the Old City of Nablus have been repeatedly damaged by Israeli invasion and bombardment?
- Source: Awad, Jihad (2017-01-15). "Conserving the Palestinian Architectural Heritage". International Journal of Heritage Architecture: Studies, Repairs and Maintenance. 1 (3): 454. doi:10.2495/ha-v1-n3-451-460. ISSN 2058-833X.
The old city of Nablus has suffered, probably more than any other Palestinian city, from the massive invasion by Israeli forces during the second uprising which started in 2000. Many restoration projects were previously completed by the municipality but unfortunately destroyed by the Israeli bombing of the old city. Many buildings were heavily damaged by Israeli rockets during April 2002. A project was carried out by UNDP and funded by the Japanese government to rebuild the houses. Then in December of 2003, many houses were again damaged during Israeli military activity. This kept recurring: buildings were repaired and then damaged.
Mraffko, Clothilde; Forey, Samuel (2024-02-14). "Israeli bombs are wiping out Gaza's heritage and history". Le Monde.fr. Retrieved 2024-09-29.Whether the Israelis act intentionally or not, "the result is effectively the erasure of a heritage and a history. Symbolically, this is important because this is one of the ways in which people are attached to their territory," warned Benoît Tadié, former cultural adviser to the French consulate general in Jerusalem between 2009 and 2013. He takes as an example the Old City of Gaza, which, like much of the north of the enclave, is now a vast field of ruins. "It wasn't just a site, it was also the heart of today's city. The hammam and the Pacha's Palace were extremely popular places. The museum also served as a place of education for schoolchildren," explained Tadié.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abdul Ahad Azad and Template:Did you know nominations/Sun Jianai
Onceinawhile (talk) 09:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC).
- @Onceinawhile: Not a review, but there are massive amounts of unsourced content in both articles and "International Journal of Heritage Architecture: Studies, Repairs and Maintence" is coming up as deprecated/predatory on WP:UPSD. What makes it reliable?--Launchballer 22:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Launchballer. All the sources are in the bibliography - let me add in-line citations throughout where they have been missed. I will confirm when done.
- On the Jihad Awad source, I am confident that it is reliable - Professor Awad is
full professor of architecture, currently head of architecture department at Ajman University
, and this paper (a conference submission) is cited in his official University biography page. He subsequently published an article covering a similar topic here. The statement is not difficult to source elsewhere if needed. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)- Fine by me. Full review needed.--Launchballer 03:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds
- ... that Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds focuses on a gay man who pretends to be straight so he can seduce another man?
- Source: Cohen, Neil (November 2, 2006). "Just Desserts - 2004 Out Far! Sensation Eating Out is Back for Seconds". Echo Magazine. Archived from the original on February 24, 2007. Retrieved February 20, 2024.
- ALT1: ... that Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds featuring a scene where a character has sex in a portable toilet caused many actors to drop out? Source: Quantic, David (May 29, 2007). "Serving Seconds: The Making of Eating Out 2". Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds. Ariztical Entertainment.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Farnese Artemis
PanagiotisZois (talk) 18:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but ALT0 fails WP:DYKFICTION. ALT1 should be fine on that front.--Launchballer 20:33, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer: Thank you for contributing to the discussion. :) Taking that into account, would ALT0 work as "that Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds focusing on a gay man who pretends being straight to seduce another man came from writer-director Phillip J. Bartell's desire to invert the first film's premise?"? I can come up with a few alternatives if needed. PanagiotisZois (talk) 22:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 still violates that policy I'm afraid, and I still think ALT1 is more interesting. I would however suggest a slightly shorter version of ALT1 per WP:DYKTRIM, ALT1a: ... that a scene in Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds caused many actors to drop out?. Full review needed.--Launchballer 20:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I fear that if ALT1 is trimmed, it will end up becoming less interesting. On the one hand, it can be argued that it creates a sense of mystery. As in, "why did many actors drop out?". But on the other hand, the idea that actors dropped out of a role because the character has sex in a portable toilet is definitely unique and will also catch people's attention; I think. PanagiotisZois (talk) 21:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- I can see arguments either way, I'll let a reviewer/promoter decide.--Launchballer 22:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- PanagiotisZois, this is not a review either, but I'm afraid retaining ALT1's bit about sex in a toilet would be borderline "excessively sensational or gratuitous" as per WP:DYKINT; concealing the scene in question through ALT1a should arguably make for an "Intriguing hook that leaves the reader wanting to know more". Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 16:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- @PanagiotisZois: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 23:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think this requires PZ's attention as there is still a valid hook on this page, i.e. ALT1a. This needs a reviewer.--Launchballer 23:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @PanagiotisZois: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 23:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I fear that if ALT1 is trimmed, it will end up becoming less interesting. On the one hand, it can be argued that it creates a sense of mystery. As in, "why did many actors drop out?". But on the other hand, the idea that actors dropped out of a role because the character has sex in a portable toilet is definitely unique and will also catch people's attention; I think. PanagiotisZois (talk) 21:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 29
Eddie Sheldrake
- ... that before selling KFC and pies, the 5-foot-9-inch (1.75 m) Eddie Sheldrake played basketball under coach John Wooden and broke UCLA's single-game scoring record?
- Source: "Polly’s Pies will hop back in time this week as the a local comfort food and pie chain ... Her grandfather, Eddie Sheldrake, co-founded the chain with his brother Don with their first restaurant in Fullerton in 1968 after they decided to expand from being Kentucky Fried Chicken franchisees to opening an original restaurant" (Press-Telegram) "This Angeleno is something of an oddity in basketbalL, as it is played these days, for he is a little runt of five feet-nine" (Press-Telegram) "Eddie Sheldrake, a longtime friend of Wooden, was a sophomore in his first year on the Bruins varsity the season the coach arrived." (John Wooden : An American Treasure) "The five-foot nine-inch forward broke the Southern Division basketball scoring record for a single game when he tallied 38 points in leading his team to a 90-67 triumph over Stanford Saturday night. Sheldrake’s total also broke the UCLA school record held Jointly by Don Barksdale and Bill O’Brien, with 30 points." (Citizen-News)
—Bagumba (talk) 16:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on September 30
Articles created/expanded on October 1
Eunus
- ... that Eunus, a Syrian slave and reputed prophet, became king and led a slave revolt in Sicily against the Roman Republic?
- Source: Urbainczyk, Theresa (2014). Slave Revolts in Antiquity, pp. 52, 56. Park Square, Milton Park, Abingdon, 711 Third Avenue, New York, NY 10017, USA: Routledge. ISBN 978-1-84465-101-6.
- Reviewed:
Harren the Red (talk) 18:49, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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Image eligibility:
- Freely licensed: - ?
- Used in article:
- Clear at 100px:
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Article is new enough, well sourced, hook is interesting and QPQ is completed. I don't see anything that would hold this back from DYK, so I approve. Only thing I will say is that I don't think this image should be used, as I don't find it particularly informative, and the caption is also quite long. However, if anyone disagrees, feel free. TheBritinator (talk) 22:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- On a second look, it would appear that the website the image is sourced from declares that the image is published under a CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 license, which would make it incompatible with commons. If I am missing something, please feel free to correct me. TheBritinator (talk) 22:49, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- I can certainly edit the caption to be shorter (more concise), but from what I gather the image is a no go? I am not the original uploader of it to Commons, nor am I super familiar with copyright, so I will defer that judgement to you, though the image on commons itself says CC 4.0 international license. Also, would I edit the caption here, submit a new entry, or something else? How does the process work exactly? Thank you! Harren the Red (talk) 23:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Harren the Red:, no need for a new nomination, we'd just not use the image. Is that good for you? TheBritinator (talk) 13:33, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- @TheBritinator:, yes, certainly! Thank you for the help :) Harren the Red (talk) 15:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good, then I approve of the hook. TheBritinator (talk) 16:15, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- @TheBritinator:, yes, certainly! Thank you for the help :) Harren the Red (talk) 15:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Harren the Red:, no need for a new nomination, we'd just not use the image. Is that good for you? TheBritinator (talk) 13:33, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- I can certainly edit the caption to be shorter (more concise), but from what I gather the image is a no go? I am not the original uploader of it to Commons, nor am I super familiar with copyright, so I will defer that judgement to you, though the image on commons itself says CC 4.0 international license. Also, would I edit the caption here, submit a new entry, or something else? How does the process work exactly? Thank you! Harren the Red (talk) 23:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- The proposed hook has two non-bolded links next to each other, which is discouraged by WP:DYKMOS. Since "slave" is linked to the more specific page Slavery in ancient Rome, I think it's better to unlink "Syrian". jlwoodwa (talk) 05:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Jlwoodwa: I'm perfectly fine with unlinking Syrian. Harren the Red (talk) 16:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- @TheBritinator and Harren the Red:, you cannot be "king of a war", right? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: hi, the verbage is a bit of an oversimplification. Eunus became king of the revolting slaves; so I guess it could be that he "rose to become leader and king of the First Servile Revolt", but the name of the article on the war is First Servile War, so it reads a bit strangely. It can certainly be edited toward that end. Harren the Red (talk) 16:45, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: Does the above satisfy your concerns? Z1720 (talk) 23:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: hi, the verbage is a bit of an oversimplification. Eunus became king of the revolting slaves; so I guess it could be that he "rose to become leader and king of the First Servile Revolt", but the name of the article on the war is First Servile War, so it reads a bit strangely. It can certainly be edited toward that end. Harren the Red (talk) 16:45, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
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