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== Good article reassessment ==
== misleading intro, looks biased==


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Bonds admittted to using steroids, only that he didn't know they were steroids at the time. The intro conflates two different issues: number one: his using steroids which is NOT alleged but factual, with 2. allegations he LIED under oath about such usage. The lies are alleged, but his steroid usage is not. Completely NPOV. Where is the untro mention of the actual steroid use which he has mentioned?[[Special:Contributions/66.190.29.150|66.190.29.150]] ([[User talk:66.190.29.150|talk]]) 13:30, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


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== Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2023 ==
:Entire intro has a massive pro-Bonds anti-truth bias. The man is a cheater, a liar, and a criminal. All of these are objective facts and should be mentioned. [[User:Wetman88|Wetman88]] ([[User talk:Wetman88|talk]]) 17:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


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::thanks for sharing your opinion. however, this is wikipedia, not wikipinion. if you have some material from [[WP:RS]] to contribute, please do. but spouting your opinions here isn't helpful. for example, bonds has not been convicted of any crime, therefore by simple logic, he is not a criminal until such time as he is. your opinion that he is so is noted. but meaningless to this article. [[User:Anastrophe.|Anastrophe]] ([[User talk:Anastrophe.|talk]]) 17:58, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Change: Bonds was never well-liked by reporters or fans while in Pittsburgh, despite winning two MVP awards
To: Bonds was never well-liked by reporters or fans while in Pittsburgh, despite winning two MVP awards, because of his consistently negative interactions with them. Reporters and fans alike have complained about his negative attitude towards them, often denying autographs or ignoring them. [[User:Jakeschock|Jakeschock]] ([[User talk:Jakeschock|talk]]) 00:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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== Outdated information in records section ==
:::Major premise: Taking steroids is cheating (MLB rules) Minor Premise: Barry Bonds admits to taking steroids. Conclusion: Barry Bonds is a cheater.
:::Major premise: Saying something that isn't true is lying. Minor Premise: Barry Bonds untruthfully said that he had not taken steroids. Conclusion:Barry Bonds is a liar.
:::Major premise: People are indicted by federal grand juries for committing crimes. Minor premise: Barry Bonds was indicted by a federal grand jury. Conclusion: Barry Bonds is a criminal. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wetman88|Wetman88]] ([[User talk:Wetman88|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wetman88|contribs]]) 18:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Under the "records shared" heading, the article incorrectly states that Bonds shares the record for home runs in a single postseason with 8. That record was broken by Randy Arozarena in 2020. [[Special:Contributions/68.144.225.97|68.144.225.97]] ([[User talk:68.144.225.97|talk]]) 06:33, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
::::highly recommend not pursuing a degree in law. an indictment does not make him a criminal.[[User:Anastrophe.|Anastrophe]]


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:::::And an acquittal does not make him innocent of the crime, it just means he was not convicted. p.s. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. [[User:Jrgilb|Jrgilb]] ([[User talk:Jrgilb|talk]]) 04:28, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


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([[User talk:Anastrophe.|talk]]) 18:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Under the section "==Early life==", the opening sentence reads "Bonds was born in Riverside, California, to Patricia (née Howard) and former major leaguer Bobby Bonds, and grew up in San Carlos and attended Junípero Serra High School in San Mateo, where he excelled in baseball, basketball, and football." Can you please add "Barry Lamar" to open the sentence? It should read "Barry Lamar Bonds was born in Riverside, California, to Patricia (née Howard) and former major leaguer Bobby Bonds, and grew up in San Carlos and attended Junípero Serra High School in San Mateo, where he excelled in baseball, basketball, and football." [[Special:Contributions/2603:8000:8500:38F2:C5C1:BEEE:B0C9:A94|2603:8000:8500:38F2:C5C1:BEEE:B0C9:A94]] ([[User talk:2603:8000:8500:38F2:C5C1:BEEE:B0C9:A94|talk]]) 21:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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== Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2024 ==
Barry Bonds has never admitted to knowingly taking steroids. There is no proof, other than that he got a little bigger since his early 20's. I have also gotten bigger since my early 20's, does that mean that I have taken steroids? Innocent until proven guilty, kids.
[[User:Undervenued|Undervenued]] ([[User talk:Undervenued|talk]]) 18:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


:Public opinion clearly supports the notion that Bonds deliberately juiced for many years, and the circumstantial evidence of Bonds' cheating is overwhelming. His performance trajectory -- natural career arc until 1999 (basically, a rich man's Eddie Murray), when it bends back upward in a freakish manner for the remainder of his playing career -- is a smoking gun, just like it is for Clemens. His growing hat size -- canteloupe grows into a watermelon -- is another smoking gun. His obituary will mention the words steroids and non-Hall of Famer in the first sentence. Suggest that contributors stop trying to whitewash this jackass, and find "reliable sources" that tell the true story of his career, which is well known and not really debated by anyone except Bonds' family members and sycophants. [[User:Jrgilb|Jrgilb]] ([[User talk:Jrgilb|talk]]) 04:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


Need to add Shohei Othani to this list on the Barry Bonds page! Also change the number to 6 players, not 5.


“He is also one of only five baseball players all-time to be in the 40–40 club (1996), which means he hit 40 home runs (42) and stole 40 bases (40) in the same season; the other members are José Canseco, Alex Rodriguez, Alfonso Soriano, and Ronald Acuña Jr.[237]
===Reliable sources===
Cheating:
#"Barry Bonds:Cheater" from [[CBS]], yea I kinda think that is reliable. [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/23/opinion/meyer/main2842254.shtml]
#"Dear Barry Bonds, You are either an outright cheater or very stupid" from the [[USA Today]] [http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2004-12-03-letter-bonds_x.htm]
#"Yes, Barry Bonds is a cheater. He is a cheater of the worst sort" [http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2007/08/dad-is-barry-bo.html]
Lying:
#"It's clear, Barry Bonds' a liar" [[New York Daily News]], another pretty freakin' reliable source. [http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2008/09/24/2008-09-24_its_clear_barry_bonds_a_liar_feds.html]
#"Barry Lamar Bonds is a bad man" [[Baseball Digest]] [http://www.baseballdailydigest.com/blogs/2009/03/02/taking-a-step-back/]
#"but Bonds is a liar, a cheater, a whiner and a bad influence on America's youth" [[Mark Barnes]] <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wetman88|Wetman88]] ([[User talk:Wetman88|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wetman88|contribs]]) 18:15, 14 March 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


You can't tell me that you believe everything that you read. Who are you, David St. Hubbins from Spinal Tap? Just because some horrible reporter from the New York Daily News says something, doesn't make it fact.
:::all of which are opinion pieces. not reliable sources for claims of fact. what's your hurry? if bonds ends up being convicted of lying, cheating, etc, then it can go in the article. until then, your opinions are noted, but not admissible to this [[WP:BLP]].[[User:Anastrophe.|Anastrophe]] ([[User talk:Anastrophe.|talk]]) 18:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


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Sorry I've been reading this article and a lot about baseball (actually I have some questions about wins and runs that I'd like answered, but anyway) and I can't believe that the word cheat isn't mentioned in this article once. The man is involved in a trial and it has been asserted by numerous individuals who had no reason to lie that he has taken illegal steroids to gain an unfair advantage over his peers and gone to extreme lengths to cover it up and deny it. It seems that the article is attempting to whitewash the fact that he violated the rules and turn it into something were the steroids just slowed down his ageing and kept him good. He's been publcly labelled a cheat numerous times and there is considerable controversy about it, which this article goes to great lengths to minimise. [[Special:Contributions/86.8.176.85|86.8.176.85]] ([[User talk:86.8.176.85|talk]]) 05:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
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He isn't involved in a trial. People always have reason to lie: personal gain. These people could be placing all of their heat onto Barry to take it away from others, or even themselves. There is no thing as a selfless act.
[[User:Undervenued|Undervenued]] ([[User talk:Undervenued|talk]]) 18:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

No evidence? This entire page is literally so bias lol. This is literally the prime example of why Wikipedia isn’t viewed as a credible source by universities. Barry Bonds has admitted to unknowingly using steroids. That is a fact. It’s not an allegation or a suspicion. Just because he unknowingly took them, doesn't mean he didn’t take them. [[User:Joeblacko|Joeblacko]] ([[User talk:Joeblacko|talk]]) 06:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

== Reggie's cousin? ==

The trouble with the often repeated claim that Barry Bonds and Reggie Jackson are cousins, distant or otherwise, is that Reggie himself doesn’t know about it. In his book ''Going Yard: The Everything Home Run Book'', Lew Freedman writes:

“Reggie Jackson, whom Bonds claims as a distant cousin even though Jackson could never figure out through what family tree...[said]...‘He swears we’re related, that my family’s somehow related to his mother. He says it all the time. I finally decided it’s fine.’ “

With all due respect to your citation from the Encyclopædia Britannica, I should think Reggie would know. In any event, genealogies involve real people, who have names. I'd like to see some. [[Special:Contributions/71.162.113.226|71.162.113.226]] ([[User talk:71.162.113.226|talk]]) 02:42, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

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{{Edit semi-protected|answered=yes}} Under Bonds' career distinctions, he is listed as sharing the record for most home runs in a single postseason with 8. This record was broken by Randy Arozarena when he hit 10 home runs in the 2020 postseason. (https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=arozara01&t=b&post=1#6-25-sum:batting_gamelogs_post)

The text "Home runs in a single post-season (8), 2002" should be removed. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/131.111.184.91|131.111.184.91]] ([[User talk:131.111.184.91#top|talk]]) 18:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:{{Not done}} In the 2002 post season, he and Beltran held the record. This information should not be removed, because this doesn't imply that they still hold the record, just that they held it at that time: [http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/section/mlb/id/3648191#:~:text=Most%20home%20runs%20in%20one,Bonds%2C%20San%20Francisco%2C%202002]. Thanks, [[User:Heartmusic678|Heartmusic678]] ([[User talk:Heartmusic678|talk]]) 16:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

== Bias on steroid wording ==

Barry Bonds using steroids isn’t an allegation or a suspicion. He and his lawyer have admitted to it under oath. They admitted to unknowingly using steroids. Just because he “unknowingly” used them doesn’t mean that he didn’t use them. [[User:Joeblacko|Joeblacko]] ([[User talk:Joeblacko|talk]]) 06:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

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This is a terrible image representing Barry Bonds. Please change it to something that represents the Giants or such as the day he came to SF or when the giants retired his number.
https://cdn.abcotvs.com/dip/images/3935725_081118kgobarrybonds04pgimg.jpg - is a good one or https://s.hdnux.com/photos/75/02/57/16002002/12/1200x0.jpg [[User:ZorbaTheGreek27|ZorbaTheGreek27]] ([[User talk:ZorbaTheGreek27|talk]]) 06:25, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
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Former good articleBarry Bonds was one of the Sports and recreation good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Result: Delisted. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 17:12, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most of this article is good, but there are a few sections that need citations near the end. In particular, the "Records held" section has been tagged since March 2017. Steelkamp (talk) 09:17, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Change: Bonds was never well-liked by reporters or fans while in Pittsburgh, despite winning two MVP awards To: Bonds was never well-liked by reporters or fans while in Pittsburgh, despite winning two MVP awards, because of his consistently negative interactions with them. Reporters and fans alike have complained about his negative attitude towards them, often denying autographs or ignoring them. Jakeschock (talk) 00:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Under the "records shared" heading, the article incorrectly states that Bonds shares the record for home runs in a single postseason with 8. That record was broken by Randy Arozarena in 2020. 68.144.225.97 (talk) 06:33, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Under the section "==Early life==", the opening sentence reads "Bonds was born in Riverside, California, to Patricia (née Howard) and former major leaguer Bobby Bonds, and grew up in San Carlos and attended Junípero Serra High School in San Mateo, where he excelled in baseball, basketball, and football." Can you please add "Barry Lamar" to open the sentence? It should read "Barry Lamar Bonds was born in Riverside, California, to Patricia (née Howard) and former major leaguer Bobby Bonds, and grew up in San Carlos and attended Junípero Serra High School in San Mateo, where he excelled in baseball, basketball, and football." 2603:8000:8500:38F2:C5C1:BEEE:B0C9:A94 (talk) 21:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: See MOS:SURNAME, After the initial mention, a person should generally be referred to by surname only '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Need to add Shohei Othani to this list on the Barry Bonds page! Also change the number to 6 players, not 5.

“He is also one of only five baseball players all-time to be in the 40–40 club (1996), which means he hit 40 home runs (42) and stole 40 bases (40) in the same season; the other members are José Canseco, Alex Rodriguez, Alfonso Soriano, and Ronald Acuña Jr.[237]


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