Talk:Yemen

foreign relations

i hope that whoever wrote that section was not a saudi arabian. i edited because it was ignoring the saudi role in yemen and the fact that saleh's government used al-qaeda against houthis. The article is about yemen not Somalia, yet a large portion of the section was discussing the "historical good relations" between Yemenis and Somalians. uh.. no they don't especially the tribes who look down to Somalians as slaves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.23.14.212 (talk) 09:14, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Yemeni people

I don't get it; why isn't there an article for Yemenis as an ethnic group? I searched it, but it took me to a disambiguation page, and the only similar option was the page on Yemen Demographics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.117.24 (talk) 18:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Such ethnic group doesn't exist. --YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 06:31, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

History of Yemen

The history (on this page and all of the history pages) is very vague about the origins of Yemen itself, the word, the modern concept. Has this area always been called Yemen? When it was incorporated into other empires in ancient times was Yemen considered a place? Or is Yemen a modern creation. Or to put it a different way, is there a mountain range or some geographic feature to the north that defines the border? I looked it up because I saw that Saudi Arabia was most of the peninsula, and I was curious how the tip ended up being different countries... the info I sought wasn't really here.

In fact, there's no border. --YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 06:33, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Demographics

A question about Yemen's Demographics: I have read that Yemen has a native black population who do not have recent African origin. It is believed that these people are decendants of the first wave of people to leave Africa thousands of years ago. There are only a few populations of these people that still exist. The Andamanese are one of the more famous groups from that lineage.

There is no mention of these people in the demographics section. Is there actually a native, non-african, black population who have been omitted, or do these people not actually exist? It would be good if someone who actually lives or has lived in Yemen could clarify this for me. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 211.30.68.206 (talk • contribs) 09:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

The part about "a native black population who do not have recent African origin. It is believed that these people are decendants of the first wave of people to leave Africa thousands of years ago." is, of course, nonsense. If they really were so long in Yemen, they would have mixed up with the rest long time ago. This is not the remote Andaman islands. The lighter majority is in Yemen for a long time. СЛУЖБА (talk) 02:13, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, most of the black population live close to the sea, either the red sear or arabian sea, and believed to be the remenants of the army of Ashab Alfeel, Ibrahah Alashram, from the Habashi Invasion to Yemen. Some of the troops just stayed in Yemen and lived there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.20.170.189 (talk) 07:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

There is a statistic for the Shia/Sunni Split in Yemen being 13-15/85-88 and as its citation it links to the Yemen embassy in Canada site, however I visited that site and the Yemen Embassy in Canada says that there are 55% Sunnis and 42% Shia, I am changing it to reflect the information of the cited site —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.52.215.67 (talk) 23:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

The UNHCR web site to which a link is provided in the article here (footnote 36) and the Yemeni sources all give the break down for Sunni/Shia (Zaydis, Ismailis, Imamis) as 53/47 and 55/45 respectively. Whoever is tampering with these figures, is counting that his vandalizing this article will not be discovered by keeping the citations on, but misrepresenting their content. That is a shame. By changing figures on Wikipedia, he/she cannot change the facts on the ground in Yemen itself. One hopes that the religious war being waged in the Middle East between the Wahhabis and the Shias do not become pervasive here as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Izady (talk • contribs) 03:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

In page about North Yemen it is said it had population of some 7 milion in 1990. In page abouth South Yemen, it is said that it had population of some 2,6 milion in 1990. And just 20 years later, unified Yemen has population of some 23 milion? How come? —Preceding unsigned comment added by YossarianBa (talk • contribs) 20:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Nothing odd. Yemen has a VERY high fertility. СЛУЖБА (talk) 02:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Population

The info box says a population of 23 million as of 2009, while in the demographics subsection it says 28 million in 2005, that's a horribly large difference. Could someone sort that one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.71.31.52 (talk) 03:04, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Longitude

Longitude "12d 24m E" of the capital is wrong. Also say "the population" instead of "the size, in terms of population". --User:Jidanni 2006-07-24

I fixed the phrasing, at least. -- Beland 23:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Culture?

why is ONLY Qat under culture? Yemen has a FAR richer culture than some leaf you chew, refer to www.myspace.com/yemeni_culture.com, -Mokha 128.208.35.227 22:57, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I have deleted this segment and planning to post (very soon) something meaningful to it to replace the shallow piece that was definitely a misrepresentation to the rich culture of Yemen. My apologies to the person who originally posted this, but, I just can’t allow Yemen’s face be distorted on my watch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.165.144.50 (talk) 01:07, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Sana'a

Could someone clarify why Sana'a population is listed as being larger than the governate it is in? Does it extend beyond the governate, or are these numbers from two different years, or are they just wrong, or what? -- Beland 23:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

the population listed is wrong —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.55.144 (talk) 19:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Sana'a population listed is not city population, the city proper is separate governorate Amanat al Simah and so capital population is not included in Sana'a governorate as capital is not its part. The population numbers are official 2004 national census Bogomolov.PL (talk) 06:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Human Rights (Shiaa)

The Zaydi Shiaa's are not discriminated against. All presidents and powerful military leaders of Northern Yemen and of united Yemen are of Zaydi orgin. But the problem with Al-Houthi is a new problem with the extremist militant Zaydi group called Al-Shabab Al-Mo'men. It only involves a few thousand fighters it does not involve the millions of Shia's in Yemen. The supreme Shiaa council and its leader are unknown to most people. I tried searching for it on the internet and only found the mentioned quote. Thinking that the president was advised to kill all shia's is really stupid because he would not kill his own tribe in such a tribal country. Wikiarabia (talk) 12:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The mentioned reference is a blog and is not considered a reliable source. What the reference says makes no sense and was not published in any newspaper. The reference only contains the quote by the head of the Supreme Yemeni Shia and does not say anything about discrimination against shia's.

This is a link to a more unbiased report about the Saada war.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/shabab-al-moumineen.htm

This link confirms that the president himself is Zaidi.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6331149.stm

If you insist on putting the quote by the shia supreme council you have to put the other side of the story.

Wikiarabia (talk) 13:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

1. The first sentence claiming that Zaidiyyah Shias are subject to abuse by the government is not mentioned in any of your references. This is User:Zeydi's opinion and should be removed.

2. The quote form the Chief of the Yemeni Supreme SHia Council. This Council is unheard of. I tried searching google in both Arabic and English and the only thing I could find was this quote. This council doesn't even have a website. There is no name for the Cheif of the Council. There is no way he could know what advice is given to the president. Even if all this were true why should this be put in the Human Rights section of Yemen if the President received bad advice from some Iraqi advisors. Besides the President himself is Shia(FACT) and his tribe are Shia(FACT) and in such a tribal country he would not kill his own tribe so this whole quote doesn't make any sense.

3. Al-Sistani's opinion is biased simply because he is a religious Shia figure who has never been to Yemen he was only told the story from the Shia rebels. I accept leaving this sentence but you should also add a sentence quoting somebody from the Yemeni government calling those Shia'a rebels Terrorists so you could have all points of view.

4. I don't see what the quote from Nizar Hamzeh has to do with the Human Rights of Shia muslims. Besides that is a personal opinion of some Academic.

5. All what User:Zeydi has written is one side of the story. There must be another side which is the war that his been going on since 2004 because this is the main cause of everything mentioned by User:Zeydi.

6. There should be a separation between the vast majority of Shia Muslims in Yemen and Al-Houthi's followers. There is no discrimination against Shia Muslims in General and here are some examples (remember Shias are about 40% of the population):

A. The current President and all previous presidents (of northern Yemen) were Zaydi Shia (FACT) B. All official Mofti's of the Republic of Yemen were Zaydi Shia (FACT) C. The Big Mosque in Sana'a (the Capital) is a Zaydi Shia mosque and the Friday Prayer in this mosque is shown everyweek on national TV (FACT) D. The president's relatives are the most powerful people in the country and they're mostly Zaydi Shia (FACT).Wikiarabia (talk) 09:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Since there is an unbiased article on the Sa'dah insurgency which explains everything about that war I suggest having a short paragraph like this:

Since the start of the Sa'dah insurgency hundreds of Zaydi Shia's accused of supporting Al-Houthi have been arrested and held without charge or trial. Some Zaydis reported harassment and discrimination by the Government because they were suspected of sympathizing with the al-Houthis. However, it appears the Government's actions against the group were probably politically, not religiously, motivated. Wikiarabia (talk) 10:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Economy

Yemen is a poor country but it is not the poorest country in the World at least not by GDP per Capita. Such statetment should have a reference to some statistics not just stated as a fact because it is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiarabia (talk • contribs) 09:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC) In fact according to IMF [1] there are 47 countries that have less GDP per capita than Yemen. The the iraqi aid to Yemen is a lie because Iraq itself was under sanctions and Iraqi children were dying because of lack of medicines. If there was any aid the reference should mention how much money was paid to Yemen and provide reliable resources.Wikiarabia (talk) 10:04, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

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Sana'a links

The actual title of the article for Sana'a is now just that. All of the links in the article refer to San'a', which merely redirects to the article. Is this intentional or outdated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.36.124.14 (talk) 01:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

tiny mistake

the image with cheney is wrong because he's now no longer vice president. that image description needs to be changed. im new to wikipedia so i dont know how to do it.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.210.172 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 20 February 2009

Hi there, welcome to Wikipedia. The caption already says "former" Vice President? To get started with editing, take a look at Wikipedia:Tutorial. — Hex (❝?!❞) 01:04, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.24.252.110 (talk) 21:13, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Only republic on the arabian peninsula?

It says in the intro that Yeman is the only republic on the Arabian peninsula. What about Syria (Syrian Arab Republic), Israel (State of Israel), Lebanon (Republic of Lebanon) and others? YeshuaDavid (talk) 12:44, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Those are not on the Arabian peninsula. TastyCakes (talk) 14:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm sorry I take that back, according to that article it looks like Syria is within the political and geographical definition of the peninsula. So I agree, the intro should be changed... TastyCakes (talk) 14:40, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Sorry again, I was looking at Jordan, not Syria. It seems by the political definition of the Arabian peninsula, the article is correct. However since the "geographical definition" includes parts of other republics, perhaps this statement should be removed as misleading... TastyCakes (talk) 14:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Independence?

Why does it not say anything about Yemen's independence from the United Kingdom in the infobox? Flosssock1 (talk) 21:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmm I agree it should seem to say it. I've added it in. TastyCakes (talk) 21:12, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Flosssock1 (talk) 14:47, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

page view

Wow, this article went from 3.500 page views on December 20, to 39.500 page views on December 30. [2] The Ministry (talk) 21:36, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Why two governate maps?

Given that this article is part of the English version of Wikipedia, what is the point of including a second map of the governates in Arabic? phreakydancin (talk) 20:23, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done Already dealt with by 14 July 2010

Government and politics

Why doesn't this article have a Government and politics section like every other country article on Wikipedia? That seems like pretty basic information to include. Kaldari (talk) 05:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. The History of Yemen and Foreign relations of Yemen articles are very brief, and do not adequately cover the governing structures or relations of the nation. The inclusion of a Government and politics section seems quite important. CSvensgaard (talk) 03:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Have started a Governance section, including details of the administrative divisions. Anyone care to add information on national government? Skinsmoke (talk) 17:42, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done It's back! The sections on Politics and Administrative divisions were lost during a vandal attack on 28 February 2010. An editor partially reverted the attack, but missed these two. I have restored the deleted text under Governance. Skinsmoke (talk) 18:07, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Etymology of Yemen

The article '[[3]]' states regarding the etymology of the name Yemen the following: "Yemen or al-yaman means "the south". One etymology derives Yemen from yamin the "right side" as the south is on the right when facing the sunrise; yet this etymology is considered suspect. Another derives Yemen from yumn meaning "felicity" as the region is fertile; indeed the Romans called it Arabia Felix." This would imply the origin of the word is from some Arabic word. But the Cambridge History of Islam, Vol 1A, page 6 passingly remarks the following: "[...]may possibly be called the Yemenites, from a Sabaic word which denotes south". This would mean, or for that matter any other Arabic origin, Yemen has been named from the vantage point of a place north of Yemen, which is strange. Anyone has any idea? Can someone add this origin somewhere in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prophetoffrivolity (talk • contribs) 12:12, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Since both Arabic and Sabaic are Semitic, they could have had the same words. I'm not a specialist on this, however.

I don't see any oddities in a country taking the name its' neighbours call it. Such examples are abundant in history.

I'm adding this etymology to the article. СЛУЖБА (talk) 02:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I noticed this entry after I put in my entry on Etymology below. I'm doing a copy and paste: There is something wrong with this section about the source of the word "Yemen". I can't speak for the word yumn, but it appears that the word "falicity" actually means something like happiness, not fertility. Also the Latin word "felix" actually means lucky, not firtile. Apparently the Roman reference to "Arabia Felix" actually ment "Lucky Arabia" and not "Firtile Arabia". This is according to Wiktionary upon looking up the word "falicity". The "Arabia Felix" name for Yemen makes me very curious about what happened there for the Romans to consider it lucky.DavidHenrickson (talk) 12:27, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Population of Sana'a

I corrected a caption to reflect its Aramco World citation, and used the one million present population from the chart of governates. However, it looks like the present population is about two million: http://www.bing.com/search?q=Sana'a+Yemen So my caption fix was probably wrong, but I can't count noses and won't make all the figures agree. Bing isn't a splendid source. Maybe someone else could? - 67.224.51.189 (talk) 01:12, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Where is Hawta?

I can't find it on any maps, but the NYTimes has an article about it.http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/22/world/middleeast/22yemen.html Ydorb (talk) 21:42, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Yemen need help

Please I don't want Iraq II. But i think if we don't speak abut this. Lot of people will death: petrol is the matter, the fast money ist the problem... Realy the terrorist send in a fly Bombs?? please, i don't think so... if one terrorist could one attack don't send bombs in a fly, they don't are so much stupid!! Petrol, new construcction, new market for: the bigs companys!!!! this companys are the terrorist!! and FMI, EEUU, Europe help there... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.33.85.97 (talk) 23:54, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

The Yemen

Isn't this country also known as the Yemen? For example, there is the book Salmon Fishing in the Yemen by Paul Torday. This may be an exclusively British English usage, but it does exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rredwell (talk • contribs) 19:35, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

A Presidential republic?

This article defines Yemen as a Presidential republic, with a directly elected executive president, but according to its own Government section, the Head of Government is actually the Prime Minister, who must be approved by two-thirds of the Assembly of Representatives. This appears to be the definition of a semi-presidential republic, in which the Prime Minister and President share executive power and the Prime Minister must be approved by the legislature, so why is it defined as a Presidential republic?--90.199.141.85 (talk) 20:05, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

As of today the president on the page is listed as "unknown" -- is this a sign of "abuse", or did Saleh get overthrown, and the new head of government has not yet been determined? Stopde (talk) 12:30, 21 November 2011 (UTC)Stopde

هاى بدى اتعرف ممكن

[[Link titlFile:Bold texte]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.239.111.14 (talk) 20:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

شاب جزائري حر

هل استطيع التعرف...... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.200.53.243 (talk) 09:31, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Nothing yet on Yemen's climate, the object of my inquiry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.40.56.184 (talk) 13:49, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Saleh is President according to incumbant Yemeni authorities.

It is a bad thing that Wikipedia underrepresents the official view of incumbant Yemeni authorities that Saleh is still President. СЛУЖБА (talk) 23:24, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I see it was an uncited anon edit. I reverted it on this page. Needs to be reverted on other pages as well. СЛУЖБА (talk) 00:28, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Etymology

There is something wrong with this section about the source of the word "Yemen". I can't speak for the word yumn, but it appears that the word "falicity" actually means something like happiness, not fertility. Also the Latin word "felix" actually means lucky, not firtile. Apparently the Roman reference to "Arabia Felix" actually ment "Lucky Arabia" and not "Firtile Arabia". This is according to Wiktionary upon looking up the word "falicity". The "Arabia Felix" name for Yemen makes me very curious about what happened there for the Romans to consider it lucky.DavidHenrickson (talk) 12:05, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Territory

Could someone make the island of Socotra on the map in the country infobox green, as it belongs to Yemen. RikSchuiling (talk) 09:27, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Yamnat

Under "Etymology", the word "yamnat" is said to be in Old South Arabian. I was puzzled, as the script of the same only used consonants. Perhaps some other version gives vowels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.222.5 (talk) 16:33, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

1962

It is not clear who abolished slavery in 1962. There was something of a change in the government at that time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.222.5 (talk) 16:40, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

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racial and ethnic affiliation of slaves

Why do you think this is not important? The rationale seems one of personal choice. As a reader of African history I would like to know this info.--Inayity (talk) 17:50, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Good point. It turns out that the Najahid slave dynasty in Tihama came from only one specific group in Ethiopia, the Jazali. Middayexpress (talk) 14:53, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Anyone who makes edits without rationale or a wiliness to use the talk page can be reverted b/c it is not how we develop and article by head strong unilateral editing. Yusuf is actively editing but I am waiting for a reply. --Inayity (talk) 12:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Indeed User:Inayity. He just tried to remove the specification that the slaves were from the Jazali group. I notice his revert-warring on Najahids with you and User:AcidSnow over the same issue. Hardly neutral. Middayexpress (talk) 14:59, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

I just recently went there to that page so not aware of the history of edit conflict.--Inayity (talk) 15:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Well User:Inayity and User:AcidSnow, it would appear that "Yousef" is now avoiding discussion altogether [4]. He has also begun reverting admins as well [5], [6]. Middayexpress (talk) 14:29, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok, lets just see how the noticeboard plays out. Also a more clearer one of him refusing to discuss [7]. AcidSnow (talk) 20:12, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

If the user wants to edit without discussing his edits there is a solution for that also, so he might find his energy is being wasted making these large changes. BTW no one WP:OWNS anything-- just b/c they from YemenItalic text

Indeed. Middayexpress (talk) 14:44, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

User:AcidSnow, thanks for the link. "Yousef" appears to have threatened you there. Middayexpress (talk) 14:44, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I did not threat anyone, as for the slave ethnic origin and such, i believe that any details should be under the demographics section. for example, the United States article mentions slavery but does not put much emphasis regarding their tribal origin, it simply mentions that they were African. So i do believe that the history section should not include much details regarding the slaves tribal origin either because i do think it is undue weight to the article and the section. if it must be included it should be under the demographics section or in a separate article titled Slavery in Yemen --يوسف حسين (talk) 08:24, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

You did at various times threatened both myself and User:AcidSnow (e.g. "just stay away from any Yemen related article" [8]). At any rate, the U.S. page is an inappropriate analogy for a number of reasons, not least of which is the fact that the specific ethnic groups that African American slaves came from are manifold and uncertain. By contrast, the specific Jazali identity of the Najahid dynasty rulers is known. "African slaves" is also about as descriptive as "Asian slaves" -- it could refer to any number of often completely unrelated populations. Please see below for the rest. Middayexpress (talk) 13:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

file a complaint! you keep circling around this in a pathetic way you know that? i did not threat you or any one here so stop bringing that up whenever you get the chance. --يوسف حسين (talk) 17:10, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll bear that in mind. Middayexpress (talk) 18:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

"file a complaint!", would you also like us to file one on the racial overtones of your messages and edits? AcidSnow (talk) 23:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Sheba and the removal of a picture

User:AcidSnow removed a picture in this edit and according to him, the picture has nothing to do with Sabaeans rather with ancient history of Yemen. And that was enough reason for him to remove the picture [9]. The Sabaeans are civilization that existed in ancient Yemen, so there is no conflict here and no justified reason was provided for the removal of that pic. So i will post the picture again simply because it is of a Sabaean woman and being Sabaean does not contradict with being ancient Yemeni.

As for Sheba and its relation with Saba. Sheba is just a hebrew diversion of the same word. The word in Arabic and Amhraic is Saba. Arabic bibles do not distinguish simply because it is about the same people. The Quran as well does not distinguish there is an entire chapter about Sheba (its legendary queen actually) under the title Saba (sura). User:AcidSnow argued that Yemen is not widely known as home of the Sabaeans but i beg to differ. This source says the following [10] :

The ancient Sabaean kingdom lasted from the early second millennium to the first century BC; the queen of sheba reportedly lived during the 1000 BC time frame. Yemen was the headquarter that controlled coastal areas of Ethiopia and Eritrea, whose people are descendant of unions between ancient Arabians and natives of those countries. It is proposed that the Semitic colonization of Ethiopia was established in the tenth century BC from Sheba. Beside the horn of africa, the kingdom of Sheba's sphere of influence included and controlled the eastern and southern trade routes through ports on the red sea, south of the gulf of Aqaba

So i do believe that the Sabaeans are the closest people to biblical Sheba. Robert D. Burrowes wrote in his Historical dictionary of Yemen [11]:

although ethiopians dispute this, Saba is most certainly biblical Sheba

I believe there was no justified reason to remove the following sentence from the introduction : Yemen was home of the Sabaeans (biblical Sheba), a trading state that flourished for over a thousand years.--يوسف حسين (talk) 08:11, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

"User:AcidSnow argued that Yemen is not widely known as home of the Sabaeans", *sigh*, where did I say this? Since you obviously can not find it I would like to ask you to please not put words in my mouth. What I actually said was, "the image has nothing to do with Sheba (so how could my "Afrocentrism" be the reason for it?) nor the Sabeans, but rather just "Art from Ancient Yemen". The image is also not sourced since it's a "own work"". As you can see I said no such thing; so where did you get that I argued that Sabaeans are not from Yemen?

As for the quotes you used, I am unable to find either of them in the book. It also rather appears to be handed typed than a complete quote from the book. In fact, it appears that you actually edited the second one just so it could support you. As for Sheba begin Saba, the book you provided regards the only difference is spelling. Anyways, as I said before, there are other sources that go against your book so why do you continue to add this though you already know that? This is still being discussed and it does not give you the right/power to have the final word in this discussion.

"i do believe", you do realize your opinion does not hold any "weight" as your are not a historian nor a archaeologist? Also how am I Afrocentric? Since you still believe that we are I would like to know how you cam to that conclusion.

Also, since you "now what admin ed johnson meant" why did you go on to say he said we were "pan-Africanist"; which is untrue?

Not just those, but you were asked to use the talk page before you make edits so you could receive consensus. You however, put words in my mouth, lied, and went on without consensus. AcidSnow (talk) 23:45, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Najahid

• The Najahid dynasty controlled no more than the city of Zabid, They had Ethiopian origin but were fully assimilated to that city society. The Yemeni author 'Uamar said that there were no ethnic differences between the Arabs of Tihama and their slaves because Arabs intermarried with them. The Najahid dynasty was established by those slaves. regarding their ethnic link as being Jazili, it should be under the demographics section. That the Yemenis around Zabid intermarried excessively with their slaves who were brought from such and such area and race. Not a lot of people are familiar with the term "Jazili" and i believe that the term Ethiopian is common and easy to relate to since we are talking about the middle ages section. --يوسف حسين (talk) 08:36, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I see you are using the talk page, but you may have missed the part where you are supposed to get agreement before making major changes, NOT make major changes and then come on the TK and explain them. --Inayity (talk) 09:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah i am using the talk page, i did not make "major" changes i just changed "Jazili" to Ethiopian. I do not see the necessity for emphasizing the alleged difference between "Jazili" and Ethiopian since "Jazili" is just an ethnic group within Ethiopia. So Ethiopian is a more proper term to use in the middle ages history. Any distinguishing should be made under the demographic section--يوسف حسين (talk) 11:35, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

but what term does the reference use? As Ethiopia is a big place that does not match modern day Ethiopia--Inayity (talk) 12:21, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• I do not know about Ethiopia being a bigger place but the refrence uses this term since you asked [12]:

  The complex and little known story of the rise and fall of the Najahid princes of Zabid (Middayexpress reveted this and made them rulers of Tihama), a city that was one of the early recipient of Abyssinian slaves.. The defeated Najahid who were of Abyssinian slave origin..

and this source [13] ::::

It is known that, like the Ziyadids before them, the Najahid. constantly brought over shiploads of Ethiopian slaves to Yemen

In AD 1001 power fell to an Ethiopian slave of the Ziyadids, and then to a second Ethiopian slave, named Najah (AD 1012), whose position was again confirmed by the caliph

if you want to know what term the reference use.--يوسف حسين (talk) 17:45, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Per WikiProject Countries, the demographics section is reserved for modern demographics of the local population. The history section is earmarked for actual historical events (and major events at that), so that's where the Najahid material belongs. That said, I've restored the specific Jazali identity of the Najahids. "Ethiopian slaves" is much too broad and vague. It could apply to any population in Ethiopia, whereas the Najahid slaves actually only came from one specific historic group. As the admin asked you on your talk page, kindly do not revert again until consensus has been established.Middayexpress (talk) 13:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• No it does belong to the demographic section as this source say [14]:

A tribe of Ethiopian origin called Jazali had furnished slaves to the Najahids.One of the consequences of the influx of of Ethiopian and Nubian female slaves was it impact on the racial configuration of the host...

and another source say [15]

Arab men in these coastal regions have children with black slaves

the reason behind mentioning this was the fact that highlanders had a difficult time distinguishing Arabs from their slaves in Zabid, the Sulayhids (Hashidi tribesmen) had to put the people of Zabid through a linguistic test so they would not randomly kill the Arabs by mistaken them of being Ethiopians.[16].

to this day the population of Zabid and its surrounding are generally black due to the excessive intermarriage and mixing between people of the two coasts. So it is pretty logical to mention the Najahid and the slaves orgin in the demographic section not the history. I do not understand why you removed that they were rulers of Zabid, Tihama is a geographical term and the Najahid controlled no more than that port city. I have no problem with mentioning they were "Jazali" really if it's that important to you, you are right terms like "african slaves" are too broad but Ethiopian slave is not really that broad as you may think because the term "Jazali" is just not that known to many people outside Ethiopia but if you see that is important to mention they were "Jazali", i have no problem with that and i should not make a big deal out of it. Just stick to the historical narrative. they did not rule Tihama and they were owned by their Ziyadid masters. You removed the sentence mentioning their role as rulers in the name of the Ziyadids at first. --يوسف حسين (talk) 17:45, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• Another thing, aren't your edits considered a revert too? your edits are basically a revert of mine since i was first to expand that article..--يوسف حسين (talk) 17:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

My edit already had support. On the other hand, one of the conditions for your unblocking was to not revert and instead seek consensus for the first time. Middayexpress (talk) 18:50, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• Congratulation on that "support" but i was blocked for edit warring. My question was why your version is out there when it's actually you who reverted the "original" version?

Regarding the issue of complexion, the author is mistaken because dark skin has been a native feature of many populations in Yemen (e.g. the Mahra). It doesn't require foreign admixture to explain its presence. Other authors also interpret it differently (e.g. "The culture and pigmentation of the people of the Tihama is testimony to the closeness of Ethiopia and Yemen both geographically and historically[...] Their closeness is also expressed in national myth and lore: both claim to be home to the biblial Queen of Sheba" [17]). I think therefore either we mention both interpretations, or drop the issue of complexion altogether. For its part, the Najahid dynasty was composed of former slaves from the Jazali group of Ethiopia. It ruled on its own behalf, not in the name of the Ziyadids. The Najahids also did apparently control a good portion of the Tihama region as a whole: "Following the end of the Ziyadid dynasty in the early 11th century, two former slaves of the kingdom founded the Najahid dynasty. Control of the Tihama swayed back and forth between the Najahid rulers and the Sulayhid power of the highlands. In the mid 12th century, Ali bin Mahdi finally brought about the end of the Najahid dynasty" [18]. Middayexpress (talk) 18:42, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• you see? that is exactly my problem with you. I try to reach a common ground and close the case and you jump on and start talking about another topic, " the author is mistaken because dark skin has been a native feature of many populations in Yemen". Well, that problem is not really a concern of mine now since i am talking about a specific issue which is slavery from the east African coast facing the Yemen. I do not know what to do with a Picture of a Mahra guy with dark skin. You disregard everything just like that and say it does not require foreign admixture, so the sources i provided above are lying? is that what you are suggesting? Should i go and cherry-pick pictures to prove a point or go discussing a completely different Ethnic group now? I do not want to do that in this section at least unless you want to open a new discussion which i will happily join, but please stick to the topic which is the Najahid and their relations to Zabid and East Africa.

• Regarding the similarities between Yemen and Ethiopia, it's true there are many similarities in geography and ethnicity as well especially among the Amhara and tigray ethnic groups of northern Ethiopia. Ethiopia is the only country that still uses a writing system developed from Ancient South Arabian script. They have hocked noses and relatively lighter skin than let's say Somalis :). I did not deny that Ethiopians claim the queen to be their own, to study and understand civilizations like the Sabaeans one must forget modern political boundaries because the Sabaeans did not really refer to themselves as Arabs,Yemeni,South Arabian, African or Ethiopian. they were "semetic" tribe who believed themselves to be children of an imaginary being called El-Maqah. However, modern studies support the view that the Semetic influnce on Northern modern Ethiopia came from what is today Yemen, and the fact that Marib was their headquarter from which they controlled the trade routes. Again, keep the discussion about the topic which is the Najahid, i posted another section regarding Sheba and user:asidsnow edits just above you. And NO i will not drop the issue of complexion ..

• Lastly, Tihama is a vast geographical region in the Arabian Peninsula. There is no way or in anyone for that matter controlled that entire coastal strip except for maybe the Ottomans but it was part of different Sanjaks, as Tihama is divided between the Yemen and Hejaz. Zabid is located in Tihama of Yemen ( Tihamat al-Yaman ) and the city of mecca is part of Tihama of Hejaz (Tihamat al-Hejaz ). the Najahid controlled the city from 989 to 1022 in the name of their Ziyadid masters until receiving recognition from the Abassid in Baghdad in 1022. Again they never controlled Tihama in its entirety from Aden to Aqaba in North Arabia! they ruled Zabid and some of them built small towns around that port. the travel giuide is not wrong but it's not specific either because Tihama is a large geographical region, it is not identified as a political entity. regarding the Tihama population (low land as opposed to the Yemeni highlands) this source says :[19] :

The Tihama has historical connection with the east african coast and its history

• please do not disregard historical facts and studies just because your honorable self think they are wrong and have a preconceived notion you want to prove. I will not drop the issue of complexion because it is a historical fact that impacted the relations between highland and low land Yemen, southern and eastern Yemen to the Zaydi/tribal Northern Highlands greatly--يوسف حسين (talk) 23:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)