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== Gen. Malcolm Frost - again == |
== Gen. Malcolm Frost - again == |
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Hello Buckshot06. More warnings have appeared on Gen. Frost's article. I have no idea what to do about them. (1) The first, "close connection", makes no sense to me. Why is that objectionable? Does Wikipedia have a rule about who can author an article? Should there be a comment by the author, in the article, indicating the authors relationship to the subject? (2) "tone". I will gladly modify or remove any offending statements. I cannot do that unless I know which statements do not meet Wikipedia's "encyclopedic" standards. The article has been modeled after numerous other Wikipedia military officer articles. I can find statements in other military officer articles that match the tone and intent of every sentence used in this article and have been permitted without warnings. Apparently I'm missing or misunderstanding something. (3) "citations/references". Without specific information about what needs referencing, I can't help. As you can see, I have added a 8 references since the last warning and does a very good job of providing verification for statements used. Again, this article appears, to me, to be cited satisfactorily when compared to other military officer articles. Can you get answers, specific answers, to these 3 items for me? Or, can you get someone to assist me editing the article? Should I consider removing the article and putting it in a workspace until it gets approval from everyone concerned ? (Even then, how do you overcome the "close connection" issue?) I need some good, solid, specific guidance here. Please help. [[User:Afrosty|Afrosty]] ([[User talk:Afrosty|talk]]) 18:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC) |
Hello Buckshot06. More warnings have appeared on Gen. [[Malcolm Frost]]'s article. I have no idea what to do about them. (1) The first, "close connection", makes no sense to me. Why is that objectionable? Does Wikipedia have a rule about who can author an article? Should there be a comment by the author, in the article, indicating the authors relationship to the subject? (2) "tone". I will gladly modify or remove any offending statements. I cannot do that unless I know which statements do not meet Wikipedia's "encyclopedic" standards. The article has been modeled after numerous other Wikipedia military officer articles. I can find statements in other military officer articles that match the tone and intent of every sentence used in this article and have been permitted without warnings. Apparently I'm missing or misunderstanding something. (3) "citations/references". Without specific information about what needs referencing, I can't help. As you can see, I have added a 8 references since the last warning and does a very good job of providing verification for statements used. Again, this article appears, to me, to be cited satisfactorily when compared to other military officer articles. Can you get answers, specific answers, to these 3 items for me? Or, can you get someone to assist me editing the article? Should I consider removing the article and putting it in a workspace until it gets approval from everyone concerned ? (Even then, how do you overcome the "close connection" issue?) I need some good, solid, specific guidance here. Please help. [[User:Afrosty|Afrosty]] ([[User talk:Afrosty|talk]]) 18:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:The other questions you asked are covered in that, but they're kinda moot, because you almost certainly shouldn't be editing it. There's {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} other articles that need work; let others deal with this one, and all such problems would be avoided. [[Special:Contributions/88.104.19.233|88.104.19.233]] ([[User talk:88.104.19.233|talk]]) 05:53, 16 February 2014 (UTC) |
:The other questions you asked are covered in that, but they're kinda moot, because you almost certainly shouldn't be editing it. There's {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} other articles that need work; let others deal with this one, and all such problems would be avoided. [[Special:Contributions/88.104.19.233|88.104.19.233]] ([[User talk:88.104.19.233|talk]]) 05:53, 16 February 2014 (UTC) |
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::88.104.19.233, buzz off!! I have independently determined that Brig. Gen. Malcolm Frost is notable, between [[WP:SOLDIER]] and other references. I'm a six-year experienced Wikipedian and administrator, with tens of thousands of edits and two featured articles to my name. I probably know the way the U.S. armed forces work just as well as you, and would probably beat you on a straight order-of-battle quiz. I know what this article should look like in the end - a smaller version of something like [[Dwight D. Eisenhower]] or [[H. Norman Schwarzkopf]]. I am very very unlikely to let Afrosty, who has repeatedly shown he's willing to work with me, stuff this one up so it reads like most of the canned-DOD officer bios. Go and reread [[WP:BITE]], and leave this one alone - I know damn well what I'm doing!! [[User:Buckshot06|Buckshot06]] [[User_talk:Buckshot06|(talk)]] 07:57, 16 February 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Afrosty, for a start, if you're willing to learn about how WP works, and follow my direction, don't worry about (1). Regarding (2), the problem is that most U.S. officer bios are written in an Army tone of hyper-patriotism and hyper-positivism; in every command, every officer broke records or did something special and new. In addition, it's all from a U.S. view, rather than a more global one. So go and reread the two bios, Eisenhower and Schwarzkopf, I've mentioned, come back here, and write in here the differences you see in style between those and the Frost article at the moment. Then go and make some changes; we're writing history, not DOD-compliant text. (3) I've said this before, but will expand it. Because this has attracted some attention, '''reference every second sentence'''. Put a footnote after every second sentence, and tie it back to either <s>[[WP:DEADTREE]]</s> (apologies, I meant published books, not internet) or online sources. Any questions, just come back to me. Kind regards from [[Aotearoa]], [[User:Buckshot06|Buckshot06]] [[User_talk:Buckshot06|(talk)]] 07:57, 16 February 2014 (UTC) |
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Thanks for advising me to re-read BITE - it seems ironic, considering you began by telling me to buzz off. I'm tempted to place a warning here, for your personal attacks on me, but I doubt it would help. I'll just remind you here to please '''Comment on content, not on contributors'''. |
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As a "six-year experienced Wikipedian and administrator, with tens of thousands of edits and two featured articles", surely you know better than to put text like "details of what he did?", and "what were the dates of his posts at CArson?" ''within'' a live article [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Malcolm_B._Frost&diff=595703034&oldid=595582635]. |
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Why are you recommending the user edits the article directly, in contradiction to the behavioural guidelines I stated? |
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And what do you mean about [[WP:DEADTREE]] - are you suggesting the subject requests deletion of their article? [[Special:Contributions/88.104.19.233|88.104.19.233]] ([[User talk:88.104.19.233|talk]]) 18:16, 16 February 2014 (UTC) |
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::88.104.19.233, as you are probably aware, the number of people that view such an article day to day are in the low tens (or less). It simply doesn't matter if there are a few comments that help me mentor Afrosty. I am happy to let him edit the article directly because he has the specialist data and references beyond what we can find easily on the web. Thus he can add refs that substantiate the article and improve it. As I've said, I can then check his work and amend if necessary. The critical thing is that he is willing to amend his actions to get the article to a standard which is appropriate for wikipedia. Personally I do not understand why you are so aggressively trying to dissuade him when the process is under my overview. At the end of this, we'll have a good solid article, because I will make sure of it - or get it deleted if it isn't. Now, finally, yes I've made a mistake. DEADTREE isn't the link I thought it was - I meant published books or articles, not web news stories. [[User:Buckshot06|Buckshot06]] [[User_talk:Buckshot06|(talk)]] 20:05, 16 February 2014 (UTC) |
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I have Altered alot with that pages Misguided Information it has the T-60s canceled when it became the Pakda just how LFS became Pakfa and Mikoyan LMFS program Russia has 4000 aircraft 2200 are combat please im me i dont know how to give references which i have tons of or to contact you thank you so much (User:LMFS)
Forces of central subordination
I don't mind helping you out with this, but I should admit that the military terminology is not something I am very comfortable translating (I am capable of translating it, but I can't guarantee the quality of the output). However, I could supply the links to the articles about the populated places, if that helps you any. I wish I could help with the airports as well, but I don't really have anything to look them up properly, so it's going to be hit-or-miss there. Let me know what you want me to do.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:21, June 22, 2009 (UTC)
- I've translated the portion you requested, but I want to once more re-emphasize that I wasn't very comfortable with the quality of my translation—it felt as if I was guessing, rather than knowledgeably translating, way too often. I hope the translation helps you get the idea of what all those facilities are, so you could then copy-edit it to conform with the established English military terminology. Let me know if there is anything else I can do. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:25, June 24, 2009 (UTC)
Vladimirsky Lager
Any time. Enjoy! I trust you'll be taking care of the army base portion from here?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:16, September 16, 2009 (UTC)
LMFS
Hey Thanks so much for everything can you make a page about the Russian Dozor 600 UAV its said to be a future UAV for Russia heres the link
http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/2009/08/russias-newest-uav-at-maks-2009.html
you can also watch it on youtube thx :)
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3rd Guards MRD
Happy new year to you too (and I wish I could continue my holidays till January 14...)! I'll take a look at this some time later this week, if you don't mind. Are you working with the verbatim ru-wiki version, or is your version a mix? Just want to clarify how much fixing I should be doing :) Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:38, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry about the delay; truth be told, I forgot :( Anyway, it's done now, although I would recommend you proofread it one more time and copyedit as necessary. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:18, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
No worries
Happy new year! I have the resources to do something useful, I'm glad someone took notice of my work! yeah sure i will try and follow the guidelines, i'll see how i go? Buckshot06 are you upset the fact that New Zealand scrapped the combat types of your airforce? take it easy ;(User talk:Lovetravel86); 16:38, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
Marinovka
Nope, it's just one of the countless villages in Volgograd Oblast; there really is nothing special about it. I've created a Marinovka set index for navigation; let me know if you want a (very) basic stub on the Volgograd Oblast village as well. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 7, 2010; 13:57 (UTC)
Soviet Air Defense Forces
Sorry, I'm afraid you misunderstood. I don't have most of the books they have. I have a very large library of books on the administrative divisions, with which their collection of ATD books has a great deal of overlap, but I don't have books on any other subjects they have. Of the books I own, none are on the subject of the SADF.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 25, 2010; 13:16 (UTC)
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WP:RUS
We don't have approved spellings, we have romanization guidelines :) For each individual person from your list, you should be using the spelling which is the most common in the English-language sources you are going to use. If you only have Russian sources, then use the WP:RUS default romanization—Arkady Bakhin, Alexander Galkin, Konstantin Sidenko, Vladimir Chirkin. If the English-language sources use different spellings inconsistently, then pick one that's closest to the WP:RUS default variant. Does it help? Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 9, 2010; 14:22 (UTC)
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Military districts of Russia
Just wanted to give you a heads-up (in case you missed it) that the military districts of Russia have been re-organized on September 20 (with the effective date of December 1). If there's anything I can help with, please don't hesitate to let me know. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 23, 2010; 13:24 (UTC)
- I am not much interested in translation work; sorry! Too much on my plate as it is. I could help with the specifics of the changes, but it seems you are ahead of me there. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 23, 2010; 21:15 (UTC)
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Happy New Year!
Thanks for the season's greetings! I hope you are enjoying the holidays yourself as well.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 27, 2010; 14:33 (UTC)
Dmitriyevka
Sure, will do. There are, however, five rural localities called "Dmitriyevka" in Orenburg Oblast, so if you have anything to add, it might help. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 15, 2011; 16:45 (UTC)
- No problem; I haven't even started looking when I asked the question :) I've greatly expanded the Dmitriyevka set index. The Dmitriyevka you need is Dmitriyevka, Sakmarsky District, Orenburg Oblast. Will this work for you, or do you need me to create that stub as well? Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 16, 2011; 16:46 (UTC)
- Hmm, this is getting a little confusing :) What is the airfield called exactly, do you know? Dmitriyevka is located in Sakmarsky District, but the settlement of Chebenki is in neighboring Orenburgsky District. The airfield is located at some distance from them both, although it is closer to Dmitiryevka than it is to the settlement of Chebenki (and it is in Sakmarsky District). I'll move the air base article to Chebenki (air base) and put a dab page at Chebenki, but let me know if there's anything else I can help with. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 16, 2011; 17:11 (UTC)
- Ah, I've never seen that statement. It helps clarify the overall state of things quite a bit; thanks. Don't hesitate to let me know if you think of anything else I can help with. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 16, 2011; 17:19 (UTC)
- Hmm, this is getting a little confusing :) What is the airfield called exactly, do you know? Dmitriyevka is located in Sakmarsky District, but the settlement of Chebenki is in neighboring Orenburgsky District. The airfield is located at some distance from them both, although it is closer to Dmitiryevka than it is to the settlement of Chebenki (and it is in Sakmarsky District). I'll move the air base article to Chebenki (air base) and put a dab page at Chebenki, but let me know if there's anything else I can help with. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); August 16, 2011; 17:11 (UTC)
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Commons
I've asked Russavia (talk · contribs) to take a look at your request. He's an admin on the Commons, and since he deals with this kind of tasks all the time, I'm more confident in his ability to take care of this properly. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 2, 2011; 14:19 (UTC)
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Roshchinsky, Samara Oblast
OK, done. Have fun with the rest of it :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); June 25, 2012; 15:44 (UTC)
Orbat.com
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Re: the info you added from this website to the 52nd (Lowland) Infantry Division website, where about on the website did you get the info? I ask as i was going to add an entry in the refs section but i cant find the info.
Translation question
Hi there! May I ask you to look at this section to double-check, please? Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 9, 2012; 13:45 (UTC)
Negative evaluation
the MISLS participated in the battle of Okinawa. Some nisei soldier used violence to torture Okinawan civilians. Thereafter these civilians were handed over to a U.S. Lieutenant. Some civilians were shot. It happened in June 24, 1945. [1] during the occupation of Japan, some Nisei soldiers abusing prisoners and even civilians.[2] A Japan Journalist think nisei are the worst kind of G.I.s. [3]
during the occupation of Japan, through the formation of such organizations as the Civil Censorship Detachment (CCD), MIS linguists played an important role in News blackout. Between 1945 and 1949, the CCD nisei soldiers was responsible for reviewing all Japanese publications. [4][5] The CCD eventually banned a total of 31 topics from all forms of media.journalists were banned from reporting the G.I.s Crime. [6] [7][8] [9] [10] .「The editor of the magazine “Emancipation News” was sentenced to− five years of hard labor(Braw1991,chapter7)」[11] Children's books are no exception.[12]
- ^ 「米兵の民間人殺害克明に―保坂琉大教授が米で記録発見」『琉球新報』2005年11月18日 http://b.hatena.ne.jp/entry/ryukyushimpo.jp/news/storyid-8595-storytopic-1.html 「民間人3人は、軍政府内の住民用尋問室で日系人通訳に暴力を振るわれながら尋問された後、身柄を2人の中尉に引き渡された。文書では「1人は敵兵(日本兵)である疑いがあった」と記述している。中尉は民間人3人のうち2人を約180メートル先にある墓穴のような穴を掘った場所に連行した後、そのうちの1人を上官の命令で銃殺した。殺害時、周囲には25―45人の米兵が取り囲んでいた。」
- ^ 石原廣一郎『回想録 二・二六事件から東京裁判まで』400頁
- ^ 日本の黒い霧 松本清張全集 松本清張 文芸春秋 1972.11
- ^ http://www.goforbroke.org/history/history_historical_veterans_mis.asp
- ^ http://www.lib.umd.edu/prange/html/introduction.jsp
- ^ Embracing Defeat: Japan in the Wake of World War II by John W. Dower published by W. W. Norton & Company in 1999.
- ^ 静岡県立大学国際関係学部教授 前坂俊之 日本メディア検閲史(下) http://maesaka-toshiyuki.com/detail/72
- ^ 「忘れたこと忘れさせられたこと」、江藤淳、文春文庫、H4.1 p248
- ^ 山本武利「占領下のメディア検閲とプランゲ文庫」『文学』〈2003年9 10月号〉
- ^ 日系二世元GHQ/SCAP検閲官と敗戦期文学 http://www.lib.umd.edu/prange/html/Yokote1.pdf
- ^ http://www.lpthe.jussieu.fr/~roehner/ocj.pdf
- ^ http://library.hokusei.ac.jp/bunken/hokusironsyu/ronshu/bun/bun44(43-1)/bun44_7.pdf 占領下の児童書検閲
How much is too much (etc.)
First, I agree with your Notes/References breakout on the 23d Fighter Group article. Since I've added notes to a number of USAF unit articles, I'll revisit them to make similar changes where appropriate. Second, I have linked headquarters and subordinate unit external links in a number of unit articles. Since you have been Wiki'ing much longer than I, about how many such links would you consider to be not in line with the MOS? I have added them to a number of articles (but not as many as the 23d) but I'd rather not do a mass removal that is unnecessary.
Kalinka
Here we go: Kalinka, Russia. The coordinates on the one you need seem to be a little off. Let me know if you need anything else. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); December 3, 2012; 14:54 (UTC)
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56th (London) Infantry Division
"(Buckshot06 moved page 56th (London) Infantry Division to 56th (London) Division: No evidence this was called 'Infantry') (undo)"
I do not know about the First World War, however Lt-Col Joslen (p.92) supports that they were called an 'infantry' division during the Second World War after being designated from 1st London Division.
- There is however the case of the 23rd (Northumbrian) Division, he specifically does not include the word infantry in there title.
- I do have a copy of the book, however the division is outside the scope of anything else I have. I am a desert and Western Front man, not an Italian campaign person. I think until there is additional evidence, the status quo is fine.
- Not much. I edit on a sporadic basis at the moment. I am in the final months of university so that has the majority of my attention. I don't know if I will edit like I use to, although if I did it would probably be on some Normandy related articles.
- I do have a copy of the book, however the division is outside the scope of anything else I have. I am a desert and Western Front man, not an Italian campaign person. I think until there is additional evidence, the status quo is fine.
Turkish Army
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Happy New Year
Hi Buckshot06,
W. B. Wilson here, browsing from Poland at the moment.
Happy New Year and I hope the Christmas was a good one. ? re: Soviet armies articles -- is there any particular format -- might not be bad form to use one, perhaps a format in an existing article about a Soviet army. At any rate, I expect to have more time on my hands in a couple of months or so.
Cheers again,
W. B. Wilson
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Armor question
Hi Buckshot. We haven't spoken for a while but I hope you're doing well. I had two questions to ask you, since your knowledge of the military is far better than mine. I was hoping you could tell me the name and purpose of this pylon found on the rear of this BMP-1 armored personnel carrier and the name and purpose of this triangle rail guard found on front of this turret of this T-72A MBT. Cheers,--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 17:46, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Isn't the "Pylon" actually a log, used to help get you out of sticky mud? The "V" would be a splash guard (protects the driver's hatch). bobrayner (talk) 20:26, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- I think Bob has given you good answers to both your questions - thanks Bob. Buckshot06 (talk) 22:56, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, thank you, Bob. I am actually surprised regarding the bit about the log - so how exactly is that used to extract the BMP from the mud?--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 02:27, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
- A bit like a Sand ladder (Why is that still a red link?) - the log can be put on the top of a muddy hollow, so the tracks don't sink all the way down, and this helps stop the vehicle getting stuck. However, a big strong lever has a hundred other uses! (Disclaimer: I've done this on sand, not on mud). bobrayner (talk) 19:30, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
- Bobrayner, correct me if I'm wrong on this, but it's often done with several logs, not one, right? Marshal B, take a look at Fascine, specifically the pictures of the Churchill AVRE on the right. Bob, in what circumstances have you done this on sand? Cheers and thanks Buckshot06 (talk) 19:52, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
- 4x4 sinking into soft sand. Deflating tyres can help (lower ground pressure) but sometimes you can't go low enough (without beadlocks), at which point it's time to put down something flat to spread the pressure, and that may also help keep the rest of the vehicle out of the sand. You can buy shiny aluminium sandladders, but planks are much cheaper :-)
- Presumably it would be a lot harder to get a tracked vehicle stuck on soft sand, but rasputitsa is notoriously sticky..? bobrayner (talk) 20:16, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
- Bobrayner, correct me if I'm wrong on this, but it's often done with several logs, not one, right? Marshal B, take a look at Fascine, specifically the pictures of the Churchill AVRE on the right. Bob, in what circumstances have you done this on sand? Cheers and thanks Buckshot06 (talk) 19:52, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
- A bit like a Sand ladder (Why is that still a red link?) - the log can be put on the top of a muddy hollow, so the tracks don't sink all the way down, and this helps stop the vehicle getting stuck. However, a big strong lever has a hundred other uses! (Disclaimer: I've done this on sand, not on mud). bobrayner (talk) 19:30, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, thank you, Bob. I am actually surprised regarding the bit about the log - so how exactly is that used to extract the BMP from the mud?--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 02:27, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Fascinating stuff. Much appreciated for the help Bob. While we're still on the subject of tanks, I had one other question: what exactly is that panel of multichromatic lights found right underneath the turret of the M1 Abrams tank?--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 20:28, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
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Gen. Malcolm Frost - again
Hello Buckshot06. More warnings have appeared on Gen. Malcolm Frost's article. I have no idea what to do about them. (1) The first, "close connection", makes no sense to me. Why is that objectionable? Does Wikipedia have a rule about who can author an article? Should there be a comment by the author, in the article, indicating the authors relationship to the subject? (2) "tone". I will gladly modify or remove any offending statements. I cannot do that unless I know which statements do not meet Wikipedia's "encyclopedic" standards. The article has been modeled after numerous other Wikipedia military officer articles. I can find statements in other military officer articles that match the tone and intent of every sentence used in this article and have been permitted without warnings. Apparently I'm missing or misunderstanding something. (3) "citations/references". Without specific information about what needs referencing, I can't help. As you can see, I have added a 8 references since the last warning and does a very good job of providing verification for statements used. Again, this article appears, to me, to be cited satisfactorily when compared to other military officer articles. Can you get answers, specific answers, to these 3 items for me? Or, can you get someone to assist me editing the article? Should I consider removing the article and putting it in a workspace until it gets approval from everyone concerned ? (Even then, how do you overcome the "close connection" issue?) I need some good, solid, specific guidance here. Please help. Afrosty (talk) 18:46, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
- You should not create or edit articles about yourself, your family or friends. - WP:COS.
- Please read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide.
- The other questions you asked are covered in that, but they're kinda moot, because you almost certainly shouldn't be editing it. There's 6,906,534 other articles that need work; let others deal with this one, and all such problems would be avoided. 88.104.19.233 (talk) 05:53, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
- 88.104.19.233, buzz off!! I have independently determined that Brig. Gen. Malcolm Frost is notable, between WP:SOLDIER and other references. I'm a six-year experienced Wikipedian and administrator, with tens of thousands of edits and two featured articles to my name. I probably know the way the U.S. armed forces work just as well as you, and would probably beat you on a straight order-of-battle quiz. I know what this article should look like in the end - a smaller version of something like Dwight D. Eisenhower or H. Norman Schwarzkopf. I am very very unlikely to let Afrosty, who has repeatedly shown he's willing to work with me, stuff this one up so it reads like most of the canned-DOD officer bios. Go and reread WP:BITE, and leave this one alone - I know damn well what I'm doing!! Buckshot06 (talk) 07:57, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
- Afrosty, for a start, if you're willing to learn about how WP works, and follow my direction, don't worry about (1). Regarding (2), the problem is that most U.S. officer bios are written in an Army tone of hyper-patriotism and hyper-positivism; in every command, every officer broke records or did something special and new. In addition, it's all from a U.S. view, rather than a more global one. So go and reread the two bios, Eisenhower and Schwarzkopf, I've mentioned, come back here, and write in here the differences you see in style between those and the Frost article at the moment. Then go and make some changes; we're writing history, not DOD-compliant text. (3) I've said this before, but will expand it. Because this has attracted some attention, reference every second sentence. Put a footnote after every second sentence, and tie it back to either
WP:DEADTREE(apologies, I meant published books, not internet) or online sources. Any questions, just come back to me. Kind regards from Aotearoa, Buckshot06 (talk) 07:57, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
- Afrosty, for a start, if you're willing to learn about how WP works, and follow my direction, don't worry about (1). Regarding (2), the problem is that most U.S. officer bios are written in an Army tone of hyper-patriotism and hyper-positivism; in every command, every officer broke records or did something special and new. In addition, it's all from a U.S. view, rather than a more global one. So go and reread the two bios, Eisenhower and Schwarzkopf, I've mentioned, come back here, and write in here the differences you see in style between those and the Frost article at the moment. Then go and make some changes; we're writing history, not DOD-compliant text. (3) I've said this before, but will expand it. Because this has attracted some attention, reference every second sentence. Put a footnote after every second sentence, and tie it back to either
- 88.104.19.233, buzz off!! I have independently determined that Brig. Gen. Malcolm Frost is notable, between WP:SOLDIER and other references. I'm a six-year experienced Wikipedian and administrator, with tens of thousands of edits and two featured articles to my name. I probably know the way the U.S. armed forces work just as well as you, and would probably beat you on a straight order-of-battle quiz. I know what this article should look like in the end - a smaller version of something like Dwight D. Eisenhower or H. Norman Schwarzkopf. I am very very unlikely to let Afrosty, who has repeatedly shown he's willing to work with me, stuff this one up so it reads like most of the canned-DOD officer bios. Go and reread WP:BITE, and leave this one alone - I know damn well what I'm doing!! Buckshot06 (talk) 07:57, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for advising me to re-read BITE - it seems ironic, considering you began by telling me to buzz off. I'm tempted to place a warning here, for your personal attacks on me, but I doubt it would help. I'll just remind you here to please Comment on content, not on contributors.
As a "six-year experienced Wikipedian and administrator, with tens of thousands of edits and two featured articles", surely you know better than to put text like "details of what he did?", and "what were the dates of his posts at CArson?" within a live article [1].
Why are you recommending the user edits the article directly, in contradiction to the behavioural guidelines I stated?
And what do you mean about WP:DEADTREE - are you suggesting the subject requests deletion of their article? 88.104.19.233 (talk) 18:16, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
- 88.104.19.233, as you are probably aware, the number of people that view such an article day to day are in the low tens (or less). It simply doesn't matter if there are a few comments that help me mentor Afrosty. I am happy to let him edit the article directly because he has the specialist data and references beyond what we can find easily on the web. Thus he can add refs that substantiate the article and improve it. As I've said, I can then check his work and amend if necessary. The critical thing is that he is willing to amend his actions to get the article to a standard which is appropriate for wikipedia. Personally I do not understand why you are so aggressively trying to dissuade him when the process is under my overview. At the end of this, we'll have a good solid article, because I will make sure of it - or get it deleted if it isn't. Now, finally, yes I've made a mistake. DEADTREE isn't the link I thought it was - I meant published books or articles, not web news stories. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:05, 16 February 2014 (UTC)