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• Sadly, I am the author of this article... WikiBigotry

		The Barnstar of Diplomacy
		Thank you for helping to peacefully resolve a great many of the challenges that we're seeing in some of our firearms articles. Justanonymous (talk) 19:12, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

	The Original Barnstar
	For your recent (fantastic) articles on things as varied as architects, popular culture and the banjo, I award you this barnstar. Keep up the great work! :). Ironholds (talk) 02:01, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

The Barnstar of Diplomacy

I just want to say you are doing a great job of taking the workload of working on the lede in the Second Amendment article. Im making quibbles to make improvements that I see, but I do not want you to interpret that as anything other than collaboration - you are doing the tough job of proposing text, and getting shot down by everyone else :). I think the various revisions are noticeably better from revision to revision, and we are narrowing in on something that everyone can agree to. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:59, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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Are you seriously disputing that Gun politics in the United States is a "page relating to, gun control?"

Yes or no will be fine. Thanks. Hipocrite (talk) 18:13, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Huh? What are you talking about? I just removed it from the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting Talk page, not gun Politics..

No, and I'm an idiot for not paying attention to which page I was on. Ugh... --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 18:26, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

No problem. Hipocrite (talk) 18:35, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

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I've just removed a 3O request made by him (for no discussion) in regard to this discussion request he made to you. I'd like to encourage you to either respond to him at Talk:National Rifle Association#Deletion 3X now of info from OpenSecrets via Sunlight Foundation and other sources and the following section there, or drop the stick. I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with either of you, but merely continuing to revert without discussion on an article that's under discretionary sanctions isn't going to do either of you any good. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 21:40, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi TransporterMan, my apologies that you have become involved in the ongoing Lightbreather "drama". She (yes, she's acknowledged this, not that it has any bearing on anything) has a history of demanding discussion for any content or sources that she disagrees with or that she deems crutial for inclusion in an article and worded in a particular manner. At first glance this might seem in keeping with WP community standards, but a lot of things boil down to her wanting content exactly how she wants it and will use (and sometimes abuse) one or several WP procedures to get her way. In other articles she's resorted to using ANI, Arbitration rulings, and other formal procedures that I (and others) have been forced into because of her efforts. Speaking of other articles, if a comment is made about a trend or similar viewpoint across a series of articles is made, she interprets this as a personal attack. Lightbreather is fond of saying "Keep the comments about the content", but won't accept any criticism about them. In fact, since she patrols my Talk page, it wouldn't surprise me if she makes that accusation again in this discussion and asks me to delete or retract what I've said.

Granted she has learned to pick better sources, but she has an agenda and purpose behind her editing that she's alluded to here and here (that I know of) where she makes statements like, "...my observation is that I am the only "pro-control" editor here..." with regard to gun related articles. Which, by the way, are what she is predominantly focused on. She also accuses me of having Ownership issues with a variety of articles when its she that makes the vast majority of edits to particular articles and is pushing a particular POV under the guise of "providing balance" regardless of the content being WP:UNDUE to anyone else.

Hence we come to this particular situation. The NRA article was seemingly fine until she decided that it needed "balance", "improvement", or "fixing". But with regard to the NRA article, currently about half of the Talk page are sections that Lightbreather has started, but interestingly few are currently responding to her. I'm speculating, but I think others have learned that its best to just ignore her until she does something fairly egregious and then revert it or deal with it directly. Lately she's using sources (and subsequently other sources that cite those same sources) that are questionable to make highly contentious claims about politicians. This is part of her domination of the article edits in general. Out of the last 500 edits, she has made 261 of them. In the just the last 30 days, 330 edits have been made by 15 distinct authors. In other words, one editor is responsible for nearly 80% of the edits and uses the Talk page to challenge any viewpoint that differs from her own. The numbers speak for themselves.

I've learned that trying to engage her in civil debate is functionally useless. She gets a viewpoint in her mind and then seemingly it becomes an "all or nothing" issue regarding what content should or should not be in an article. Many others have tried to reason with her as well as give her what I consider excellent advice on how to interact with others as well as conduct herself on Wikipedia, but she seems to ignore most of it. I'm not a fan of ANI, so other than spending what I consider an outrageously useless amount of time building a case against her (and I say this based on the shear volume of edits that Lightbreather makes) given how she conducts herself what's the point of responding? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 17:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

You're invited to discuss two sentences backed by three sources. The discussion is here: [1] You've written 618 words above with your critique of me. Per the WP:PERSONAL policy: Comment on content, not on the contributor. Please come and discuss the content in question, or leave it alone. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 23:37, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

TransporterMan, the above comment from LB was perhaps the most restrained one I've seen, but like I predicted... --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 14:59, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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Evidence?

I saw your edit here. What is your evidence for the claim? --John (talk) 17:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

It's not a claim, its a question. If you're asking what the basis is for my question, then I direct you to the entire ANI archives. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 17:57, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I see, you were just being rhetorical and did not have an actual point. You had me wondering. --John (talk) 18:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, completely, but fair point and justifiable "wondering" on your part. Sexism on WP is an important topic and definitely worthy of discussion, but whether or not ships should be called "she" or "it" seemed silly in consideration of seemingly more notable matters. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 18:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Request for enforcement

I have made a request for enforcement against you at ARE: [2] --Lightbreather (talk) 21:49, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

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just remember

she is a person who Cannot Understand Normal Thought.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 07:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Understood, but maybe I can get others to appreciate that. The more she complains, the more damning evidence that I find. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 14:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)