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Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. – Ram-Man ^{(comment) (talk)}[[]] 23:38, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

• Dear Ram-Man: Thank you for all this information. I will need to give your communication some thought. Best wishes. IZAK 06:03, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• As do many others. Take as much time as you need and get back to me whenever you'd like. Update: I've updated the original comment, which contains more useful links. – Ram-Man ^{(comment) (talk)}[[]] 23:38, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

Template:biblegateway

Hi, thanks for your reasonable adjustment to the template I created.

I made a comment here: Template_talk:Biblegateway#Change_in_format. I am not associated with that website, nor am I a great fan of their origins. However, they do an outstanding and well-made range of Christian translations.

I would like to continue with sensitive NPOV contributions on some of the pages where both Jews and Christians have an interest. I declare myself a Christian, but interested in that NPOV!

I hope to see you around. I have found the contributions of yours that I have glanced at to be very valuable. I hope you will come to think the same. — Dizzley (Peter H) 12:06, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

See Book of Amos#External links - I hope you like the effect. Dizzley (Peter H)

New template

So hey...I've started a little project at Wikipedia:Sandbox/Template:Judaism as you can see...please help out in any way you can, or tell me why I should just stop it. :-p Tomer ^TALK 09:56, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

• Hi Tomer, ok, so I have given a comprehensive response on the Talk page there. Please see it. Thanks. IZAK 05:55, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Images on PUI

IZAK, sorry about that. Usually I make very certain I have contacted the user, but forgot this time. As for the actually licence, I think there has been some misunderstanding about Public domain actually means. I don't know relevant Israeli law, but I don't think they have short copyright terms. Which means all those images are not Public Domain. The only people who produce Public Domain images today is the US federal gov. Now, we can claim fairuse on some of them, but others we need a source. If we cannot find a source, then they must be deleted as possible copyright infringment.

So to recap, if it is not explicitly licenced, then it is copyrighted. Burgundavia 13:45, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

Images on PUI

IZAK, sorry about that. Usually I make very certain I have contacted the user, but forgot this time. As for the actually licence, I think there has been some misunderstanding about Public domain actually means. I don't know relevant Israeli law, but I don't think they have short copyright terms. Which means all those images are not Public Domain. The only people who produce Public Domain images today is the US federal gov. Now, we can claim fairuse on some of them, but others we need a source. If we cannot find a source, then they must be deleted as possible copyright infringment.

So to recap, if it is not explicitly licenced, then it is copyrighted. Burgundavia 13:49, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for tagging all those images. Hopefully this clears up a lot of things. Burgundavia (✈ take a flight?) 00:11, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

Template: Israelis

I would like your comments on anedited template I have put together at: User:Goodoldpolonius2/israel. --Goodoldpolonius2 04:01, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

• Hi, it's too thick and wastes space (tto much spacing on the sides). The original Template:Israelis is much better (slimmer and more comprehensive), why do you want to tamper with the original? IZAK 04:57, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

LET US CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION AT: Template talk:Israelis Thanks. IZAK 05:02, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

• What made you think any of that interjection was remotely necessary? Tomer ^TALK

Recent new creations

I doubt either Zvi Block or Tiferes Yisroel has notability. Please use VFD, I will vote there if necessary. JFW | T@lk 07:48, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

contact me

Shalom! Write to me MSN: fivetrees@yahoo.com AOL: tkadmon YahooIM: fivetrees ICQ:50416037 --Fivetrees 08:21, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Kabbalah

Thanx again for correcting me and thanx for the future! Kabbalah astrology is weak material, but maybe better than nothing. Daat is interesting, but complicated sphirot, so I'll make revision later. --Fivetrees 07:21, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

• No problem, thanks you for your input to the articles. IZAK 23:50, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Various articles

Thanks for letting me know, I'll try to take a look at all of them. Meanwhile, you might be interested in Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Right to exist. Jayjg ^(talk) 02:26, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

R' Soloveitchik and beezuy talmidei chachomim

Joseph Soloveitchik (1903 -1993) Rosh HaYeshiva (Dean) RIETS, Yeshiva University, also a famous apikorus who somehow made his way into Jewish history. He ruined the famous Soloveitchik's reputation as marbitzei Torah.

I see that you subscribe to the conventional wisdom/rumor (spread mostly by the left and absorbed by many on the right) regarding the substance of R' Soloveitchik. This is further reflected in your article Joseph Soloveitchik, where you link R' Soloveitchik with (for example) Torah Umadda, Zionism, and Kantian philosophy, connections that are oversimplified at best. Instead of writing vague generalities about revisionalism (as I saw on the talk page of the Soloveitchik article), I'll quote from Rav Moshe Feinstein. He writes in a letter to R' Soloveitchik (regarding banning rabbinical attendance at ecumenical conventions, found in Igros Moshe Yoreh Dea'ah, chelek 3, siman 43):

"My dear one and my friend, the Gaon, the well-known Gadol, marbitz Torah barabim (purveyor of Torah to the public), Moreinu (our teacher) HaRav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik, shlit"a."

This sounds cliché, but "the Rav" is/was misunderstood.

If you respond, I'll be willing to continue the discussion and provide much more information. HKT 03:36, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

• Hello HKT: I must very STRONGLY PROTEST your unfounded accusations because I did not God-forbid write the disgusting words: "also a famous apikorus who somehow made his way into Jewish history. He ruined the famous Soloveitchik's reputation as marbitzei Torah" and I would never write such a thing about Rabbi Soloveitchik, ever! So please apologize ASAP! Furtheremore you are free to analyze all my contributions on the "history" for the article, see [1] and you can judge for yourself what I do say. I cannot be held responsible for what other editors have added or contributed because this is Wikipedia and I am involved with thousands of other articles. Each of us must choose those pages they desire to moniter most and then respond with edits and discussions when they know that their subject is being misrepresented. If you cannot function in this environment and if you are going to run around Wikipedia hurling unfounded accusations at people then I would apply to you the saying "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen". Also, it is important for you to understand that Wikipedia is NOT a "yeshiva" but it is in many ways an open ENCYCLOPEDIA that any idiot who can write a few words can edit, so mistakes and vandalism can and do happen. Be well and stay in touch! IZAK 08:03, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
• You may also want to contribute to the article yourself and insert what you know to be the truth about Rabbi Soloveitchik. IZAK 08:10, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I inappropriately assumed that you would've caught vandalism on your user page, though you're clearly otherwise occupied. You're right, of course, that I should have checked the history page. I do think that the article demonstates too much of a left-wing-tilted image of R' Soloveitchik, and maybe I'll get around to addressing some of that on the talk page of the article.

By the way, I appreciate the welcome message on my user:talk page. Thank you, and again I apologize. Kol Tuv. HKT 18:20, 10 May 2005 (UTC) By the way, I reread your response and I just wanted to clarify: the "famous apikores" line is not in the article but on your user page. Just so you're aware where the vandals are striking. See also other comments on the Famous Rabbis section. HKT 18:24, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Cleaned up the vandalism. HKT 21:05, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Oh, by the way: I can't just post anything that I know to be true. I would need to back that info up with recorded, public secondary sources. I'm sure I could scrounge up some such quotes, but it would probably be highly time consuming. We'll see. HKT 21:11, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

• Dear HKT: I would like to thank you for alerting me to the vandalism of my own User page by an anonymous vandal who seems to be on his own personal version of a "jihad" against anyone who does not agree with his view of Torah life. Pardon me if my initial reponse was overly harsh towards you, I had no idea that an idiot had attacked and changed my words. As I said, this is Wikipedia after all... IZAK 04:55, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Miscount on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Right to exist

Hi IZAK. I apologize for mischaracterizing you somehow when I summarized the deletion votes. I shouldn't be doing it when I haven't slept. Thanks for the correction. moink 15:55, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

• No problem, and thanks for getting back to me. IZAK 23:49, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Sephirah (Kabbalah)

See my edits to Sephirah (Kabbalah) and let me know what you think.--Eliezer 12:43, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the confidence re: me writing Kabbalistic articles Fintor 13:37, 11 May 2005 (UTC) talk

I'll look in on these articles, but not only do I have a lot of stuff I should be doing for school, Qabala is pretty low on my list of interests, so most of what I do there will probably consist of watching for typos and grammatos for now. Meantime, I'd like to flesh out my little project at User:TShilo12/Peirush as well as work more on straightening out the whole template thing we were discussing last week when I get a chance to work on it again (week after next probably) Tomer ^TALK 19:37, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

• Hey IZAK, User:El_C pointed out something on my talk page...you have Netzach as "Victory", but it means "Eternity" (as in netzach netzachim). Is there some sod I've missed out on? I'm only 33, so I haven't looked too much at qabala... Tomer ^TALK 02:52, May 16, 2005 (UTC)
  • Tomer, no sod just use your kop, it means both those words. Eternity=Victory, get it? IZAK 04:51, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Just curious... :-p I learned victory=nitzachon, but I suppose it's possible the two words are etymologically related. Tomer ^TALK 05:06, May 16, 2005 (UTC)
    • Nitzachon is used in modern Hebrew, yes. We are not talking about a short-term military-type victory at all. We are talking about the quality of "nitzchiut" when H-shem will be "victorious" in the world when it reaches a level of "Eternity" (i.e. the material world will no longer be a hindrance to His [only spiritual] Will...bayom hahu yiheye H-shem Echad ushmo echad...) In older uses you find for example the Maharal of Prague named one of his works Netzach Yisrael, meaning both its "victory" over Egypt on Pesach and then becoming an "eternal" nation on Shavuot seven weeks later when it witnesses matan Torah --- and as a paradox to understanding why Tisha Be'av is not the end but the beginning in a way, so we shouldnt allow modern-limited perspectives to cloud a language that has roamed widely and deeply and includes a variety of similar usages subject to a variety and variant language and grammatical rules and customs. And most importantly, this is an area of complex abstractions and metaphors and if one is going to be ever the narrow literalist, then forget about ever grasping some small ideas about Kabbalah, which are all one huge abstraction about an invisible inscrutable incomprehesible God that is at the center of it all. Be patient, and don't jump, literally or figuratively! IZAK 05:23, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

New article

Hey. I just created fast of the firstborn. Please check it out; it probably needs some work. I think it might be too technical, and it's also imbalanced. Thanks.HKT 21:07, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Take a look at Phinehas (or Pinchas). The etymology seems fishy. (Also, I don't think that he was so young when he killed Zimri and Kazbi, but I'll have to double-check). HKT 21:13, 11 May 2005 (UTC) Sorry, I wrote Phineas before; these crazy spelling variations are out of control. (By the way, Phineas could use a disambiguation page).HKT 00:09, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Rabbi Yochanan

I've added a bit to the article you created on Rabbi Yochanan. I thought you might be interested in checking it out and adding/changing/deleting/commenting. —msh210 03:18, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Abif

I took a look at Abif and left some harsh comments. Take a look. HKT 19:21, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for the notice...I actually found the article a few days ago and was flabergast that such ignorance could possibly exist. I would think the article should be a {speedy-delete} candidate, given that it's entirely comprised of incoherent mumbo-jumbo, but then again, I'm a lot quicker to discern these things, apparently, than the wikigods. If this rubbish has to go through the formality of a VfD, I'm more than happy to cast my vote in favor of deletion. If the VfD fails, I'll lose all faith in the Wikipedia. This article is a poster-child for why there should be a wikicabal. You and I, of course, should head it. :-D (shavua tov, btw) Tomer ^TALK 06:42, May 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • Tomer, thank you for your kind words, but at the moment (for me) the "shlep" of being a hard working editor here leaves me no time to get involved in "cabals" of any sort. And please do not be impatient with Wikipedia, it works for those who can follow the process, but not for those who want to "re-invent the Wiki-wheel" in a hurry. And finally, personally I do not like "speedy deletions" (only to be used in the most extreme of "emergencies"), because not only must justice be done, it must also be SEEN to be done (I can't remember where that quote comes from, but it's always true.., even in the courts of Wikipedia's cyber-tribunals). Best wishes and shavua tov! IZAK 07:10, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Template:Jewish language

You may be interested in the discussion at Template_talk:Jewish_language#Attention-stealing_template. Tomer ^TALK 17:35, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

Image

If Image:Hunter (Purim)-thumb.jpg is your property, could you indicate the copyright status on the image page? Please don't deprive Wikipedia of the image of this unusual tzaddik. JFW | T@lk 18:19, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

• Done, I hope GFDL is good enough. IZAK 23:46, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Ditto Image:Sharett_stamp.jpg -- although I cannot vouch for his tzaddikness status. Yaron 19:10, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

• Done, it is a Stamp image. IZAK 23:46, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Need your opinion Nazi vs, German occupation

IZAK - let us know what you think, i.e., vote at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/German military occupation of Norway during World War II --Leifern 23:00, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

• Done, thanks for the alert, I also tidied up some things on the Quisling disambiguation page. IZAK 23:48, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

A tale of two articles

See Chokmah (Kabbalah) and Chokhmah (Kabbalah). At a glance (nimretzes), it seems the former is the keeper. Probably requires no merge. Thanks. HKT 21:44, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

• Hi HKT, yes your assessment is correct. I combined the two, and of course the the first one is better but I redirected it to the second one's title because usually the "k" is written as "kh" (at least for middle letters at any rate) as in Halakha and Shulkhan Arukh. Thanks for the heads up. Best wishes. IZAK 08:46, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Deir Yassin cleanup

Mah Shlomha ahi! The Dier Yassin article needs clean up and imput from Jewish sources. I think that we can provide that imput. Would you like to help me clean up the article? Guy Montag 04:55, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

• Shalom Guy, I would love to help, but I am working on dozens of other articles right now. I suggest you start slowly and see how it goes. Please keep me informed. Thanks and Kol Tuv! IZAK 08:49, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Yehudei sheqolenique

Yehudei sheqolenique, ever heard of them? Can you look at and verify the article at all? Thanks IZAK 10:24, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

• No, and I have no way to evaluate this without sources. -- Jmabel | Talk 16:39, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

Please use VFD if you think something is nonsense. It usually is. This one was written quite well, but a simple google test revealed that all mentions were Wikipedia mirrors. Whoever pulled this vitz probably had a good laugh. JFW | T@lk 19:14, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

• JFW I agree! IZAK 07:16, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Last piece of Image copyright

Thanks for all work tagging those images. I have left several GFDL ones, as I still need a source for them. In order for them to be GFDL, you either have to have taken them, or have a release form from the photographer stating that they release it under the GFDL. Cheers. Burgundavia (✈ take a flight?) 04:12, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

• Hi Burgundavia, thanks for the info. The original photographer, a friend of mine, passed away over twenty years ago. So there is no way I can get a "release form". I will therefore have to provide a more appropriate tag for those photos. Thanks again. IZAK 06:54, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Cheers. That was a huge project. Burgundavia (✈ take a flight?) 08:50, May 22, 2005 (UTC)
    • Hi Burgundavia: No kidding! It took me about three nights to wade through all of that, but it was worth it. IZAK 08:53, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome etc

Thanks for your note and the tips. Your edits on Mishpat Ivri helped me reframe the intro, and I hope it doesn't look like I merely reverted. Now, if I want to respond to or explain edits, do I do that thru your Talk or in the articles Discussion page? Also impressed by the Judaism categorization etc. Can you add Jewish ethics and related topics too? Take care, HG 09:31, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

• Hi HG, almost always respond to edits on the article's Talk page (to keep it relevant), and (if you want to be more certain) to make sure you are being noticed contact the other conributor/s to get their attention and respond. But keep it centrailzed on the article's talk page so that others can "join the fray" etc. As for adding "Jewish ethics" as unique category, I don't know that we have enough articles to justify it. What would you add? Remember that categories need to be as specfic as possible, so I am worried when you say "related topics", as we can't start throwing in Torah and Maimonides and Mussar movement and say Conservative Judaism just because there are sections in them that may overlap with "Jewish ethics", rather spend some time looking over things and getting acquainted for a while with the "Wikipedi culture" as they call it. Best wishes IZAK 09:51, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
• Oh, and by the way, why don't insert your Email on your private settings (no-one will know what it is) and then you can receive private Emails when someone goes on your personal User page and clicks on "E-mail this user". Could you do that on my page and send me your Email address please. Thanks. IZAK 09:51, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

IDF commanders

Hi. I translated Chaim Laskov from the Hebrew wikipedia. It is pretty thorough. Danny 12:27, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

• Thank you Danny! IZAK 02:52, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi IZAK, I looked at these IDF Chiefs of Staff, but I am afraid you miscounted. Half of the six were done! ;-) Cheers, gidonb 16:33, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

• No Gidon, I did not "miscount" at all, because when I contacted you and others, the six were not done for a quite a long time, and only now after I pointed it out to a few editors, have they have added new articles over the last 24 hours, as you can see from Danny's comment/s above. Either way, whatever is not done still needs to be done, whatever is left to do by now. Best wishes. IZAK 02:52, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
  • IZAK, you missed the wink after my statement! :-) They now are all done. Mathknight and I did two, Danny and Leifern did one. I assume that Danny will take another look at the Dado article tomorrow (it's a stub). Don't be so serious. Zei gezunt! gidonb 03:02, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Sorry Gidon old chap, I havn't looked at the articles yet to know what's up, so I just replied based what was flying 24 hours ago. Well, at least the job got moving, which was my only intention, so the "count" was not important to me (it was just a way of getting people's attention, which worked!). I am not half as brilliant as I seem ;-) All the best IZAK 03:08, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Considering the fact that you had so many people working for you yesterday, I would conclude that sometimes you don't seem half as brilliant as you are! ;-) gidonb 17:51, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
        • Whatever. IZAK 08:55, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi, IZAK. I started filling in the Dado article and will do more when I get home from work. For some strange reason, I got logged off while I was editing, so the edit is anonymous. The article really brings back memories, and I can see the potential for a lot of interesting articles stemming from it. Danny 11:40, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi, just wanted to let you know that I finished translating Dado. I will probably work on Gorodish next. By the way, I am curious to hear your response to what I did to the article Amoz. Danny

• Thank you Danny, I will. IZAK 08:55, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, IZAK. On an unrelated Israel topic, I also did Hanna Rovina and Tel Afek last night. I am also curious to hear your comments on Amoz. Danny 19:57, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

• • Danny, I looked at the articles, but I cannot comment on any specific details without looking at the specific meforshim myself, so therefore, for now things stay as they are in the article. IZAK 18:19, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel

Hi IZAK (and everyone else here :), Do you think it's time to create Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel similar to Wikipedia:Wikiportal/India, Wikipedia:Wikiportal/New Zealand and other Category:Wikiportals? I'm writing this here because it was you who made those wonderful templates and we don't have a portal yet where we could communicate. What do you think? ←Humus sapiens←Talk 05:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

• Hi Humus, it's only me here, but I will pass your message on to "everyone". Yes, your suggestion is excellent, it is certainly time for what you describe, but I have no experience with Wikipedia portals, and if you know how, go ahead and start an Israel portal and I am sure editors of Israel-related articles will support you and join in the effort/s. Behatzlachah. IZAK 05:33, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Heya. I'll look into the Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel project, but no, to answer your question, it's completely different from what I was envisioning. Portals are for "personalizing" the look and feel of the website so that you can have things where you want them. They can also be used to "promote" (in an interest sense, not an economic sense) certain information. Theoretically there could be a Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Judaism, but the only people I would foresee wanting to use it are Charedim. Tomer ^TALK 13:56, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your note(s). The portal looks terrific but I would rather just have a slightly customized version of the Main or Community pages. E.g., with the log in boxes integrated in the portal, my favorite links, Israel news, etc. Like a customized my.yahoo page. Sorry to sound so pedestrian. HG 07:17, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi IZAK & Co, consider youself invited to WP:WNBI, spread the word. Good idea by HG above, but I've no idea how to do it in this framework. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 09:33, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Alternative claims of Jew, Judaism and Israelite and Alternative Judaism

User:Sirkumsize is suggesting these articles should be merged with Jewish denominations; I thought you might want to comment. Jayjg ^(talk) 21:04, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

• Dear Jay, thank you for bringing these articles to my attention. I have done some NPOV work on the first article, now for the second... IZAK 08:55, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

New Article

On IDF Major-General Meir Zorea. Take a look. Kol Tuv. HKT 23:51, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

• Hi HKT: Nice job, I have just proof-read it and added some wiki links. Be well. IZAK 21:11, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

History of Kibbutz Movement

IZAK, I do not believe that a separate article on the history of the kibbutz movement is needed. The Kibbutz article has already been made a FA, so the consensus is that the article is very good. The Kibbutz article is mostly historical, so if you cut out the history sections there would be nothing left. I'm sure that the article on the history of the Jews of Russia and Poland could expanded though. Dinopup 17:17, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

• Dino, I respectfully disagree, because at 66k, the article exceeded Wikipedia standards for articles by being double in size. Many long articles relating to Israel eventually are divided up this way. It happened to the Israel article, see all its spin-offs, to the Israel Defense Forces article, see all its spin-offs, to Hebrew languages, and at a few other places such as the Jew article, and the list goes on... So I do NOT see your point either on technical or stylistic grounds. IZAK 17:45, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Biblical Patriarch Dynasties

From what I can tell it is pure Zestauferov original research that should be placed on VfD. Jayjg ^(talk) 20:29, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

• Tee-hee, be my guest... IZAK 20:54, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Is this a joke?! The article should be deleted and any worthwhile information should be integrated into wiki Genesis (or elsewhere). HKT 21:19, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Joke? No! We used to have a contributor called "Zestauferov" and he used to invent this kind of stuff all the time. In my constant efforts to categorize Jewish-related articles I uncover some long hidden "gems" from time to time, and this is one of them...but you never know, Zest may return one day and flood us with his "contributions" yet again... hang in there, Shabbes is coming... IZAK 22:03, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Indeed. :-/ HKT

In fairness to Zestauferov, I noticed that he admitted that the article was inappropriate, but he couldn't find anywhere else to put the information. In related news, look at Jehoshua Movement (a poor, nearly incoherent stub, apparently referring to (or attempting to refer to) Paul's involvement in Early Christianity (according to Rav Ya'akov Emden)). Your thoughts? HKT 00:35, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

My thoughts? Here goes: "It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World"...I think that sums up how I feel at this moment in time... IZAK 01:03, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of mad, looks like I'm dealing with some revisionist Poles on Talk:Abraham ben Abraham. Have fun. HKT 01:49, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

I added some points. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. IZAK 02:35, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi

I just sent you an e-mail about that new category. Please respond soon. HKT 03:50, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

• Hi HKT: I have replied, check your Email. Thanks. IZAK 01:00, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Hebrew Bible Category

Ok, you've asked for it! Please give me feedback on my long posting on the discussion page of the Category. Kol tuv, HG 05:21, 26 May 2005 (UTC) PS My posting didn't end up with a heading, I think. Can you add one for me?

• Hi HG: I think you misunderstood my intent. The issue is not what "to do" with the category (Category:Hebrew Bible verses) because categories are not there for anything to be be "done" with or in them. Rather, my intent was to bring your attention to the two articles in that category already and what to do with the articles about specfic verses, which so far only includes Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. So I have gone ahead and posted your lengthy suggestions at Talk:Genesis 1:1 which is where it should have been put in the first place. Thanks for taking the time to think about this and responding. IZAK 00:59, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Bible Verses

Hi IZAK. Firstly, apologies for not responding to your announcements about votes some months ago but I haven't been editing for almost a year and specifically did not want to get involved in the heated arguments, revert wars etc that have been springing up. I know often you're correct in your take on these but knowing me (now that I've decided to start editing a bit again) if I see many more of these, I know I'll stop editing again out of sheer annoyance at the largely pointless nature of these debates. So don't take it the wrong way if I don't participate in these activities - I want to get back to contributing but in my style looking for content over argument.

In terms of the Bible verses articles (a perfect eg of a content issue!), my opinion (to get some list of opinions started) is that they are a waste of time/space on Wikipedia. Something like this belongs more on Wikisource, as it is in essence the presentation of an extended primary text with detailed information about every part (assuming people add more verses...) - I saw a large article which did not contain much information that can't be found in other Wikipedia articles - and yet it covered so little of what could be said about the verse. If this keeps going, it will engulf Wikipedia. On Wikisource though, something in the style of the Mishna project (with user contributed public domain translations) and concise summaries of commentaries, the uses of the verse in Jewish texts etc would be a good idea and I'd probably like to contribute to those. As it stands, I think deletion or relocation to Wikisource is the way to go. Frikle 11:47, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

• Hi Frikle, thanks for your serious reply. I hope you don't mind, but because of the vote at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Genesis 1:1 taking place right now, I am going to post your last paragraph in its entirety over there since you present a serious counter-option. Thanks again! IZAK 01:18, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Walentyn Potocki

Please check the talk page of his article. So far we have sources (the Jewish Encyclopedia from 1970, the Moskal article from 2001 and Tabzir article from 2003), which claim there is no evidence for this tale. While I personally don't know the Jewish Encyclopedia, it looks like a rather NPOV source for Jewish matters (perhaps you have a newer edition yourself?), and the Tabzir article has appeared in a peer-reviewed, academic journal, and he clearly states it is fiction. As I wrote in Talk, I'd love to see a paragraph on Jewish oral tradition added to the article, however, it is - so far - evident, that the belief his story is true is based upon oral tradition only and there is no evidence besides it proving this story. Of course, you are more then welcome to counter this with academic publications proving otherwise - I have not been able to find any in Polish in English, but perhaps you can find some in Hebrew? See also The Bible and history and articles on Jesus, Moses and other religious semi-mythical figures, which do show both sides - this is supposed to be a NPOV encyclopedia, after all. PS. If you do reply, plz copy your reply to my talk page, I am not likely to check your talk page again until I have sth to say again :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 09:20, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Tnx for the reply. I gave the Jesus/Moses example to show that it is possible to rach NPOV on religious issues. They are always tricky, because sometimes belief is not easily NPOVed. As for Potocki case, I don't think it has anything to do with the Holocaust Denial. As for Catholic Church in Poland - in Zwoje article, Moskal discusses the possibility the story might have been erased by the Church and/or Potocki family themself, but he concludes it is unlikely. One has to remember PLC was a very free country, and it would be next to impossible to hush such a story - burning of a noble. If he was killed in a duel, or imprisoned for many years, then it could have been silenced - because it wouldn't be interseting - but that of course would disprove the very story. And you have to remember that although Catholic Church was dominant in Poland, it had no absolute power. The PLC extensive religious tolerance meant there were many Protstant and Orthodox, with their own printing presses - somehow I thnk they would love to popularise the story of Inquisiting buring a noble if it did happen. Finally, there is the issue of countries beyond PLC - they often made propaganda use of any PLC internal troubles, inlcuding any religious trouble, to popularise the image of 'anarchy state'. Again, it is strange there would be no sources trumpeting the barbarian Poles burning a member of powerful family... Now, of course, neither of this proves decisivly that the story was false, but there is not a single evidence it is true, neither. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 16:21, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Category:Hebrew Bible verses

OK, I'll try to look. --Fivetrees 10:46, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

FYI -- I revised Genesis 1:1 in line with my view to keep it. Thought you should know, I'd like to hear your thoughts about the changes. HG 17:09, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

IZAK -- Have been away for awhile and see that you've made terrific changes with Gen 1.1. Good for you! I had felt frustrated w/the process, as you might imagine. Also, I started a blog :) Take care, HG 07:31, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Joseph's Tomb

Take a look at this stub. For a Jewish religous site, it has very little coverage. I would like to see some better source and material there and I think you would be perfect for the task. Mwssage me if you are interested.

Guy Montag 07:05, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Banu Qurayza

I'd be interested in your thoughts, and if you have time, your help in editing. --Briangotts 02:34, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

• Dear Brian: Very fascinating article, I did some minor edits, and too bad that it's being "totally disputed" but obviously pro-Arabian Muslim writers will not like it (they only like articles that say nice things about them...oh well...) I will let some other editors know. Thanks for keeping me informed and keep up the godd work. IZAK 03:20, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Hi, I appreciate the opportunity to help, but I'm afraid Banu Qurayza is too far outside my area of expertise for me to be of much use. -- BDAbramson ^talk 02:03, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)

Vandalism

IZAK, this is fairly urgent. I tried to post the following message on User:jayjg's talk page:

198.188.249.12 (talk · contribs) should be blocked quickly. He's on a vandalism spree. -Anonymous 21:38, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

However, the vandal somehow hacked Wikipedia and the edit history holds me responsible for his latest hack of jayjg's talk page. Moreover, my message was somehow never posted. The vandal has repeatedly aired his hostile intentions. Two users warned him on his talk page, but he is unresponsive. Please do what you can. 4.241.36.46 21:48, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

The history seems to have been sorted out, but I'm still noticing anomalies in 198.188.249.12 (talk · contribs)'s wake. 4.241.36.46 21:53, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

From Danny

Hi. You may wanna check out some of my work today. Moshe and Joseph Kimhi are new, and I expanded the RaDaK article David Kimhi. I also did Shlomo Ben Yoseph and a bunch of kibbutzim and moshavim. Most of it was translation work from Hebrew, though a few of the places are original. Danny 23:15, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi IZAK, I sent you an email. Also, can you take a look at the Encyclopedia Britannica list collaboration of the week Wikipedia:2004 Encyclopedia topics/24. There are some Jewish topics there that need attention, i.e., Sidra. Last week we missed on Musaf, and there are plenty of other topics you might be interested in--the last list, p. 28, has Yizkor. Danny 01:39, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Hello Danny: Yes I did receive your Email and I replied (via Email), I also forwarded your ideas about the Wikisource project to a few others who hopefully will be in touch with you. Thank you for bringing the above articles to my attention, I just don't know if I can get to all of them in time. Best wishes, IZAK 01:51, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hanoar Hatzioni

Hello Izak. The Hanoar Hatzioni article was deleted for Copyvio. It is true that most of the info came from the Hanoar Hatzoni web site, although I tried editing what I could. I think wikipedia deserves an article on Hanoar Hatzioni. What can be done here?--AAAAA 02:02, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• AAAAA: Sorry to hear that has happened. the only way to deal with is to research your topic again and re-write it without taking large verbatim quotes. Small/short quotes should be acknowledged, like so [2] and or longer/larger quotes may be used and cited, in the following fashion:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [3]

So please do not be intimidated. Take the effort to completely rewrite the article and see if you can use a few other sources and cite them as well. Hope this helps, and keep up your good work! IZAK 02:28, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Hello again, Izak. I just made a small entry here: Hanoar Hatzioni/Temp. Could you help or tell anybody you know that knows about this to add to it?--AAAAA 12:01, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for tip

Hi Izak. I put in an email address so you (and others) can write. I can guess the topic. :) I hesitated to put in the email because of lack of confidence in confidentiality, so to speak. Take care, good luck w/everything, kol tuv, HG 02:54, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC) PS sorry for taking up a new section on your Talk page. Should I have added it to a previous one?

• HG: You are doing great! Of course you must add new sections to anyone's talk page if it's a totally new message that you want to start, so again, you are doing great!. IZAK 02:58, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've petitioned for arbitration against Yuber

[4]

I hope you join in the commentary against him.

Guy Montag 07:37, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Proposal to merge Occupations of Palestine

There is currently a proposal to merge Occupations of Palestine with History of Palestine. Since you have done extensive work on this article, I thought you might want to comment. You'll find the discussion at Talk:Occupations of Palestine. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:27, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Concerning User:Rabbis and User:Cantors

Where did he make the threat to go to the ADL? As fas as I am concerned, these joke cantors should have been deleted long ago. In fact, I deleted them a couple of times already. Danny 00:46, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Check the block log. One year for making legal threats. Danny 01:36, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Next time one of them shows up I will make their lives miserable. Danny 02:12, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin

Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. If you're at all interested in becoming an admin, can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list, although there is certainly no guarantee anyone will ever look at it. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) 18:44, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

• Dear Rick, thank you for thinking of me. I do not wish to be an admin at this time. Thanks again and be well! IZAK 03:18, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

dunams

Isn't it sufficient to leave the description of "dunam" to dunam rather than putting its equivalence into every article that uses the term? I'm not making an accusation, just an observation about your most recent edit to Jaffa, Israel. Tomer ^TALK 11:01, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

• I was just trying to be helpful to any readers who don't know what a "dooonim" is and are too lazy to look it up. It's not that important really. IZAK 11:16, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Kerry a Loew?!

I noticed your recent Maharal edit. Some background: Moravian historian Jaroslav Bransky claimed that there is strong evidence to indicate that Kerry is descended from the Maharal's older brother, Sinai. However, Tomas Kraus, head of the Czech Federation of Jewish Communities, after looking into Bransky's claim, dismissed it as "not much more than speculation." Bransky himself admitted that his research had holes. (However, I don't see why a scholar of Judaism would be required to confirm such a claim). Anyway, even if Kerry was somehow related to the Maharal, I (for one) wouldn't consider it worthy of mention in the Maharal article. HKT 18:42, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Vandal

Just for some context on 62.253.64.14 (talk · contribs)'s recent "edits" to Judaism: He/she has left a number of unsourced anti-Zionist/anti-Semetic edits in his/her wake, and he/she recently vandalized User talk:PedanticallySpeaking with obscenities. No need to cater to this vandal's whims. In fact, the vandal has already been warned (in a sense) on his/her talk page, and should be blocked if he/she vandalizes again. Check out the vandal's contribs (Zionist terrorism, etc.). HKT 23:22, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for the info, and he is also a nut. Have a good Shabbes. IZAK 23:39, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Category:Causes célèbres

I notice you added Menahem Mendel Beilis to this category. It's been voted for deletion but I am trying to save it. Please come to Votes for undeletion to express your view. David File:Arms-westminster-lb.jpg | Talk 17:31, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Hi David, seems you have contacted me too late, as the vote has just been closed off (see Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 June 11) even though there had once been a similar vote and the consensus was to keep, so go figure. Best wishes. IZAK 03:20, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• • I only noticed the deletion debate a few hours before the deadline. However things are not all gone - I have proposed it on WP:VFU where it is doing significantly better. David File:Arms-westminster-lb.jpg | Talk 16:29, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Radhanite

I've placed the Radhanite article up for peer review [5]. Your comments and criticism would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! --Briangotts 19:41, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Regarding the Beth (letter) article

I'm sorry to let you down here, IZAK, but I think the original version was better than your version. It also matches all the other Hebrew letter articles, so the issue (if it exists) is much more widespread. Perhaps some sort of compromise can be worked out. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:51, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The article could use some expansion, but I agree with Jayjg and others that the previous version, as stubby as it is, was more NPOV. I also think that the article should be at Beth (letter) since that is how it is most widely known outside the Hebrew-speaking world. Tomer ^TALK 20:08, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the feed-back guys, but my intention was to start with "Beth" and then work on the other letters, which I still hope to do. The question of beth vs. bet depends on whether the goal is to convey the letter as it's used in the actual Hebrew language or how it "developed" according to the academics. How are the letters of other languages treated on Wikipedia by the way? Do they also focus on long-defunct forms, or is it the common (modern) usage that counts. And how did an article about the Hebrew language get lumped with "Phoenician"? This discussion will probably unfold in good time. Thanks again. IZAK 05:01, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"Beth" is regarded as the "purest" original pronunciation of the Phoenician letter (notice: not beta). Why? Because that's how it was pronounced in Hebrew the good old days. I see your point, but perhaps this is something that should be brought up at Wikipedia:WikiProject Linguistics, or more specifically at Wikipedia:WikiProject Writing systems, as I'm sure there are a few people there whose guidance and input would be very helpful for the development of such an article. Incidentally, I say "beth" probably half the time, and never "bes".  :-p Tomer ^TALK 05:52, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Question: How do they know "Beth" is the "purest" if the Phoenicians have been dead and gone for over two or three thousand years? So maybe that's what they said, what's it got to do with the Hebrew language as a fully functional and functioning language TODAY. "Beth" as it's used by some today is nothing more than an Anglicisation. The bottom line for this letter today is that Sephardim and Israelis say bet and the Haredi Ashkenazim say beis or bays (and many Hasidim say buys -- as in "bye bye".) Why is reality so hard to grasp? IZAK 06:29, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Copying this to Bet (letter). Further discussions should continue on Bet (letter). Thanks. IZAK 06:35, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I get the feeling that we're not going to agree on this issue until we can agree on (a) what the issue at hand is and (b) what the proper approach to WP editing, i.e., descriptive vs. prescriptive, is. For now tho, I'm going to bed. If I don't talk ya tomorrow, have a good shabath.  :-p Tomer ^TALK 08:25, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Oh Tomer, don't be silly, we will come to an agreement (you know why and how? ...the people who know more-or-less nothing about the nature of the Hebrew language will decide it for us by "vote" or whatever...Wikipedia is truly marvelous...) I agree with you, it's time for a nap (the night is gone for full sleep) and yea sure, Shabbat Shalom !!! IZAK 08:34, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Category:Jewish history

Recently Category:History by nation was deleted and replaced by Category:History by country after a discussion that attracted three votes and virtually no discussion. I am concerned by this change. One of the aspects that most bothers me is that several national history categories were removed. One of these was Category:Jewish history, where I know you have done much work. In terms of the history tree that cat is now only in Category:History of religion, which I find deeply misleading. I have brought the matter up again on cfd and would be interested in your opinion. - SimonP 23:53, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

• Done. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. IZAK 05:36, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thorny geo-stub issue

Hi IZAK - I would welcome your input on something that I have proposed at WP:WSS/C (the stub sorting wikiproject). I am largely responsible for the split of geography stubs into separate categories. At the moment, Category:Middle East geography stubs is getting fairly large, and the most obvious split of it is to make a separate category for Israel. BUT - and here is where the problem lies - understandably, several of the stubs could be just as easily stubbed with a template for Palestine, especially if they are to remain NPOV, and especially given the volatile claims to different parts of that troubled region.

I am proposing a category called Category:Israel-Palestine geography stubs, with two separate stub templates {{israel-geo-stub}} and {{palestine-geo-stub}} both leading to it. The resulting stub category would be a subcategory of both Category:Israel and Category:Palestine. It is, quite honestly, the only way I can think of to get around this delicate problem.

If you can think of any better way of working this, I would welcome any suggestions at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria#Israel-Palestine. Thanks - Grutness...wha? 10:31, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Hi Grutness, thank you for requesting my input. I will respond soon and will circulate your request to others for further input. IZAK 21:32, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • The more voices the better - if you know anyone willing to comment from the Palestinian viewpoint as well, it would be appreciated. Grutness...wha? 23:29, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Hi IZAK - I note that you've made the two new stubs (a few days early, but never mind!)> I've put a list of all the geo-stubs I know of relating to Israel and/or Palestine at User:Grutness/Geo-stubs (Israel and Palestine) - I'll take out the more obvious ones, but I'd appreciate it if you could go through and help with any which are likely to cause problems (you know a LOT more about the area's politics than I do!)> I understand that several will probably be particularly contentious, and may need to be double stubbed to go in both categories (unless that will cause even more problems...) Grutness...wha? 07:13, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• • Hello Grutness, will do, and I was actually working on it, but your list makes it easier. Thanks. IZAK 07:18, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• • I have completed the job from the list you gave me. IZAK 11:15, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/WikiProject Addressing Anti-Jewish Bias

Hey IZAK. Mind taking a look? I don't know how much value the project has (at least in its present form), but you might be very interested in standing up to the inciter of this VfD. See my comments there, and I may follow up with a Keep. Feel free to spread the word. Ironically this is probably a quintessential example of what the WikiProject was created for; this VfD itself may prove the very raison d'etre of the Project! Gut Voch, HKT 06:41, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Hi HKT, I have noticed and noted the discussions about this, but honestly, I have no opinion either way. The real problem is that someone originally went ahead and started this project without any consultation with others, never developed it, and left it hanging in the air, so it was bound to get shot down eventually, by friend or foe. I think that there is plenty of room in the original Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism for this sort of discussion (or project, whatever you want to call it) if needed (even though User:Jfdwolff objected.) Surprise, I am staying out of this one. I cannot vote for dead wood either way, because this thing was DOA from the start. A gutte Voch. IZAK 06:50, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Editing My Articles

thank you for editing my articles Daat Torah and Isha Katlanit. I had been very disappointed when no one had edited them for some time. SHASHAZ 14:19, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Bevakasha, you are welcome. Keep on trying and don't give up. IZAK 04:05, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Query re: editing of category

Shalom, IZAK, pax!

... it is there that the tribes go up, the tribes of the LORD ...

Thank you very much for correcting the categories in the case of the Reginald C. Fuller article. Please forgive my ignorance; but in that case should Biblical Criticism not also be removed?

A different point altogether, prompted by a comment on your site. One of the few memorable moments during my student years was the invitation to join the "campaign" for the promotion of the reservation of the verb "to believe" for the religious context, e.g. "I believe in G-d", "I believe in the Resurrection" etc. Everywhere else the use of "to consider", "to assume", "to be convinced" or similar is more appropriate, e.g. "I think I may be responsible for introducing this subject into the discussion".

... Pray for the peace of Jerusalem! May they prosper who love you ...

Portress 28 June 2005 19:59 (UTC)

• Hello Portress: Thank you for contacting. I am however very puzzled by what it is that you are trying to say. Thanks. IZAK 29 June 2005 08:57 (UTC)

• Shalom, IZAK, So sorry, I did not mean to be obscure. – The couple of quotations I gave had been called to my mind by the photo and quotation on your user page. – As regards the point of interest to me, on the criterion you kindly pointed out to this ignorant newcomer to Wikipedia, should the category Biblical criticism on the Reginald C. Fuller page not also be deleted? – Concerning the other point, you say on your user page: "I do believe that I have been the primary creator and builder of most of the categories...", hence my suggestion. But not to worry about it; it is simply a hobby horse of mine. – Again, many thanks for your help! Portress 29 June 2005 22:01 (UTC)

Image:John Glubb Pasha.jpg

Image copyright

Thank you for uploading John Glubb Pasha.jpg and for stating the source. However, its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. If it is open content or public domain, please give proof of this on the image page. If the image is fair use, please provide a rationale. Thank you. --Admrboltz 4 July 2005 07:58 (UTC)

• Dear Admr: Your message here appears to reveal a lack of familiarity with the range of Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use. This image was tagged as {{Fairold}} which is a "fair use" type: See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use: "{{Fairold}} - For use with images from old sources where copyright may have expired but not quite old enough for this to be certain, but where use would be contended to be fair use if still subject to copyright (eg, advertising from companies that have been out of business for 50 + years)." The rationale being that this image is well over 50 years old, from the days when Glubb was in active military service, probably from the 1930s and 1940s. IZAK 5 July 2005 05:29 (UTC)
• Sorry, I didnt even tag the image... I was running through the Uncited images list fairly quickly yesterday morning, sorry! --Admrboltz 5 July 2005 05:55 (UTC)

Mishnah stuff

See Keilim Danny 4 July 2005 13:03 (UTC)

• Dear Danny: Thank you so much for this notification. I will look into it soon. Best wishes. IZAK 5 July 2005 05:38 (UTC)

Jewish Polish history

Trying for Template:JewishPolishHistory

Nice, but it has its share of problems - pointed out at talk of main history article. Please, don't let our discussion degenerate into revert war. Summarising is good, I agree it would be prudent to shorten the article to 50kb or so, but moving the ENTIRE content except lead, see also, refs and templates to subarticles is not helping. Let's try to summarise it so it would pass FA, deleting only the EXCESS material. Copying (not MOVING) all content to subarticles is a good start, but we need to improve their names (periodisation), I feel. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 5 July 2005 14:35 (UTC)

Anti-Polonism VfD

I'll get to it tomorrow hopefully. It's really annoying that every single "keep" vote shows an utter failure to grasp the rationale behind my VfD nomination, and in fact, seems to show a blatant POV in favor of equating this neologistic crybabiness over warcrimes committed against Poles with antisemitism. I've got a lot on my plate right now tho, including potentially failing a class (a new experience for me), which will prevent me from getting my degree, which will prevent me from getting a job, which will...and it goes on.  :-/ Tomer ^TALK July 6, 2005 09:43 (UTC)

• Thanks for the speedy reply. Please take care of your personal needs first. Unfortunately, too many Polish editors (like most of the pro-Arab ones and many English-speaking ones) seem to be outright revisionists of history, (I am being nice here), and cannot face up to their own guilt and liability by trying to hide under the cloak of "victimization", a nice trick they must have learnt from America's false "culture of victimization". None of them ever give respite to the Jews nor do they respect Jewish history, ...but hey, that's all in day's (volunteer) work on Wikipedia, so enjoy it, what the heck... IZAK 6 July 2005 09:53 (UTC)

Evil decree and response

Thanks IZAK for your work on wikifying Alhambra decree and Abravanel's response thereto. I've been meaning to get to it, and they could probably still find room for a few more links, but you've done an excellent job of legitimizing part of my long-ago rationale for keeping both texts here rather than summarily moving them to wikisource. Tomer ^TALK July 6, 2005 09:54 (UTC)