Talk:Alexandros Schinas

Deletion

King George I is not only part of Greek history, but one of the founders of modern Greece. His biography should include more details about the people who directly influenced his life. As in this case, the mentioned assassin has ended that remarcable life, so his life (and death) is important as well. --J. Cosmos 14:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

This comment presumably was meant for the AFD discussion, which is at this link, not here. GRBerry 03:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I removed the sentence "After his death, the greek regime tried in vain to extinguish all information concerning the assassin of their king." because it is uncited, in accordance with WP:V. Technically, the whole article should go, but that sentence struck me as particularly problematic. GRBerry 03:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, the entire article has been rewritten since I wrote that comment. With references! Much better now. GRBerry 12:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Where

Hi bogdan. You said Schinas called the greek people his countrymen. Could you please help me finding where he has said that? Thanks --J. Cosmos 15:57, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by where. That article from NY Times uses the information it got from a friend of Schinas, from the time he worked in New York (that is, before returning to Greece). bogdan 16:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Question

How was the Greek government able to close a school in a city not under it's control? As can be seen from the article, Serres was under Ottoman control until October 1912, then was captured by the Bulgarian army and remained under Bulgarian control until July 1913, after Schinas' death. Of course, if he was really from Volos, there wouldn't be a mistake. Kostja (talk) 19:58, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Dates

Schinas cannot have killed the king on May 18, 1913 if he himself died on May 6, 1913, can he? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.239.130 (talk) 04:55, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Schinas not an Anarchist?

The "Πολιτικές δολοφονίες στα πρώτα χρόνια της Ελληνικής Δημοκρατίας" episode of the Greek documentary series "Η Μηχανή του Χρόνου" claims that at the time of George's murder, criminals were often branded as Socialists and Anarchists. Moreover the archives of Greek anarchist and socialist organizations do not list him as a member of the aforemntioned political circles. Schinas himself claimed to be from Serres but the local records were destroyed by the retreating Bulgarians, so his true identity is a mystery.--Catlemur (talk) 16:59, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

It is a joke, that he was an anarchist. In the more history books it is said that he was a thug and killed the King cause he took money or cause King has laws against gambling. The most sources are from newspapers (primary sources) from the myths-makers journalists of 1913. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 22:20, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

The NYT cites him as an anarchist. If you have a reliable source that claims otherwise, we can discuss how best to reflect that. (not watching, please {{ping}}) czar 04:03, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Czar, the NYT of 1920 cites him as an anarchist. A primary source of the time, is not a RS. Here you can see an example of friendly-anarchist English literature that cites him primary as a mental sick English literature about Schinas see page 184. I will provide more Greek RS that cites him as a madman or a thug who was paid from secret forces of Germany. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 08:48, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

In Greek 1 Schinas as a weird person.

from the work of Univerity professors 1. it says that the rumors said that (Schinas) was a German spy. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 09:08, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

youtu.be/S-taxSTqwDE?t=1056 in Greek language: police said then that he was an anarchist and socialist as it was a common place then. Just to mention that in Greek civil war, the convicted to death Greek communists were accused as anarchists. Yanis Kordatos said that he wasn't a socialist at all. The Greek journalist says that he was weird person. Also there is the rumor that he was a spy of German forces. And for that the Queen and the (little) Prince Nikolaos blamed the Germans. In this documentary prominent historian Rizas speaks Ριζάς, Σωτήρης and says that this story is a weird story (probably he believe that schinas wasn't mad or anarchist at all, but something else more intelligent..). Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 09:59, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

The best available sources claim he was anarchist, this must be stated in the article, but with the proper attribution unless stronger sources make a likewise claim. "Η Μηχανή του Χρόνου" is not a RS though. Cinadon36 (talk) 08:17, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Source: Rumors that he was a spy ----> text: According to historians he was a spy

There is a blatant misrepresentation of the source in this addition [1] The source talks about rumors that he was a secret spy, and the editor (Αντικαθεστωτικος) upgrades rumor as it is a historians's opinion. Cinadon36 (talk) 09:40, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Ok correct the sentence. I put it for that reason in Greek. Write it in your words dear friend :)Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 09:56, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

In this edit Αντικαθεστωτικος strikes out that he was anarchist and claims that he was weird. The source is sourcing other primary sources claiming that A. Schinas was weird and was spreading socialist weird ideas. Cinadon36 (talk) 09:50, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Feel free to contribute, and correct me. But as far i see you just forbid. Take your time. I will put ten more historians. I have great patience. Anarchist lies will die. If they die today or in a few weeks, it won't change anything. Ten historians- AT LEAST- against your newspapers :). I think it is a fair fight. Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 09:56, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Censhorsip in EN:WP

You forbid again historians and you leave primary sources. This is my last warning. I will inform the community that 2 users claim that primary sources from newspapers of...1920 are secondary sources, and they forbid historians as primary sources.Αντικαθεστωτικός (talk) 10:02, 1 December 2018 (UTC)