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Database of quarries and surface mineral workings

I came across this when working on the Cardigan article; [1]. It has a much wider coverage than Cardigan with much in Pembrokeshire see page80. Beware though if your connection is slow as it is a very large article 54MB. It is useful as a source for position type and other detail as well as being a good read.SovalValtos (talk) 12:14, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

SV - thank you; looks very interesting and I will have a close look soon. I am fortunate in having a decent connection, but Wales as a whole is in a sorry state, connection-wise. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I was hoping this would lead to WP:RS for the location, status of quarries etc whether active or closed and the minerals concerned. I have not been able to find the individual extraction site detail I hoped for so far. I am sure it is about, if not as easily accessed as the wonderful National Library of Scotland map resource. Best wishes.SovalValtos (talk) 21:47, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I have (so far) not found much that I would add to articles, though the study could be mentioned in relevant geology sections as being a comprehensive study written for non-geologists, and in that respect it is helpful. Tony Holkham (Talk) 23:13, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

ISBNs

Dear Tony,
I hope you are keeping well? All is well here, apart from repeated bad colds, but now on the mend!
I have just reviewed Bibliography of Welsh history, since it has been stable for a few months now, and I wanted to wait before applying ISBN hyphens (and, indeed, ISBNs themselves) where they were missing. While I was at it, I also took the liberty of reformatting most entries so that all their 'cite' parameters were coded in the same order, as this might make it easier for other editors, especially if they fish them out for insertion into other articles. I hope you will approve of all this (largely unnecessary) work, but I thought it might help, as I was already editing there for some other purpose; ISBNs, in this case.
Also, on a related matter, I am copying below a section from my talk page of our exchange about ISBNs earlier this year; this way, it will be close at hand for you as a future resource. I did this because I will be archiving my 2019 talk page early next month. However, if you won't need this guidance anymore, then of course feel free to delete this section from your talk page.
Please keep well, Tony, with my seasonal best wishes.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(become old-fashioned!)} 17:54, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

[Start of section copied from Pdebee's talk page:]

Patrick, I am still unsure where to put the hyphens in these numbers. Can you advise (specifically, Petersfield#Further_reading, please? Sorry if I'm being dim. Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Dear Tony,

No problem at all; I have just updated it in the article itself, to: 978-1-4456-7261-8. I always consult the "Pattern for English language ISBN numbers", and here is how it works, step by step:

1. Look at the first digit after "978" (which is the prefix of all isbn-13 numbers); that first digit will always be either '0' or '1' for books published in English) and place a hyphen immediately after that single digit: 978-1-445672618.
2. Since that digit was '1' in your case, you will need to consult the columns nested under the heading: 1 – Registration group element (on the right hand side of the table).
3. Now look at the next few digits after the '1' in the ISBN number (i.e. '978-1-4456...') and consult the From and To columns (under the heading 1 – Registration group element); by scanning down the rows in the From column, you can see that 4456 fits in the range from '1-3980-xxxx-x', to '1-5499-xxxx-x' in the To column. Therefore, your ISBN number should have a hyphen after the 4th digit; so, place another hyphen there: 978-1-4456-72618.
4. The remaining 5 digits in that row's range (i.e. '1-3980-xxxx-x') show clearly that the next hyphen will go after the next set of 4 digits: '978-1-4456-7261-8', i.e. just before the check digit.

That's it! I hope I made it clear enough with this example; if not, then please don't hesitate to ask again, Tony. Basically, it is a case of 1) first selecting which part of the table to use (depending on either '0' or '1'), and then 2) finding the range within which the next few digits will fit, using the 'From' and 'To' columns. Once you've located where there is a fit, then you will see where the hyphens need to be inserted. Hope this helped.

With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 16:33, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for that; I'll try to get my head round it! I wonder why Google books don't hyphenate, though, as it's clearly important... Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

[End of section copied from Pdebee’s talk page.]

That's very thoughtful of you, Patrick, to put this here, and thank you for your good wishes, which I return wholeheartedly. I am rather hors de combat currently, but looking forward to more editing in the New Year, which can't come soon enough... Best wishes, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 19:50, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

TH your edits whilst hors de combat are of a stature and lasting value that the rest of us can only envy. Thank you for your patience and support this year and best wishes for a swift and safe arrival in the New Year. A SovalValtos (talk) 20:22, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

So kind, SV. And the same to you; you are a pleasure to work alongside. T Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:30, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Dear Tony,

I’ve just realised that it might appear to other editors that I (rudely) ignored your message above; so I am leaving this short post simply to state that we communicated via email the same day. And, since I’m here now (), I hope your recovery is making steady progress, Tony, and I send you my very best wishes, as always. Feel free to send me another email whenever you feel like it; it will be good to hear from you.

With kind regards for now;

Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(become old-fashioned!)} 12:37, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Patrick - No one in their right mind could accuse you, possibly Wikipedia's most polite editor, of being rude, but thanks for your kind message. I am still preoccupied with health matters and in some respects still bumping along the bottom, but going generally in the right direction, I hope. They said it might take a year to get back to (what I call) normality; it looks to me as though that will be the case. I am hoping the Pembrokeshire spring, when it comes, will have some added benefit. Thanks again, and the best to you, as ever. Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:06, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to reply to the above, Tony, and for your kind words. Yes, I am sure you're right that the return of spring in exactly eight weeks' time will do wonders, as I too am looking forward to long, warm, sunny days again! Please keep following doctor's orders and, until you're back here, feel free to write to me via email any time you feel like it.
With my very best wishes for a steady recovery, and kindest regards for now;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(become old-fashioned!)} 17:03, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks again, Patrick. T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:41, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Welsh People: revision history

ah cool thx TheOneAndOnlyMuffinCat (talk) 15:51, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Your help desk question

Did you find a answer to this question? I don't know whether WP:VPT would be the place to ask.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:38, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Vchimpanzee - very kind of you to suggest that - thank you.  Done here I would like to know the answer, but I suspect it would not be possible. T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 00:24, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

The Great Britain/Ireland Destubathon

Hi. The Wikipedia:The Great Britain/Ireland Destubathon is planned for March 2020, a contest/editathon to eliminate as many stubs as possible from all 134 counties. Amazon vouchers/book prizes are planned for most articles destubbed from England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland and Northern Ireland and whoever destubs articles from the most counties out of the 134. £50 available for most Wales destubs. Sign up on page if interested in participating, hope this will prove to be good fun and productive, we have over 44,000 stubs!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:00, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

I had rather hoped some of the other active Wales contributors would have shown an interest in this. Can you ask a few people, they might have missed it. I thought the Dragon contest was a wonderful thing! Sionk!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Doc -  Done - put on WikiProject Wales. Tony Holkham (Talk) 00:04, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Kosack and Deb are contributing but I'd hoped to see you, Ham and Fruit monkey. Sionk is most welcome too but he (obviously) dislikes me. Did Saint Dyfnog earlier!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Great to see you, hope you're feeling better. All entries will go on the challenge so don't worry about adding them to the 10k challenge ♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:55, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Doc - a little better; it's the lack of sleep that gets you. Thought I'd better get it in gear, though, before the end of the month. Tempus fugit. Best wishes, T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your email...

Dear Tony,
Just to let you know that I didn't see your email until yesterday (grovel, grovel), but replied to it at once. Welcome back!
With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(become old-fashioned!)} 18:02, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Patrick. Easing myself back in gently with some modest contributions. I've missed it. Best wishes, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 19:15, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Lasiocampa quercus info

in response to your request on [2] "article and task requests", please check out the Fauna Europaea entry at https://fauna-eu.org/cdm_dataportal/taxon/962668a0-71b8-47ec-a0eb-d2cd1254db4b and the Lepiforum.de entry at http://www.lepiforum.de/lepiwiki.pl?Lasiocampa_Quercus. These two websites are invaluable resources of moth information.

hope this helps. HKmoths (talk) 07:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

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50,000 Destubbing Challenge Focus of the Week

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Reassessment of Wales

Hi Tony, I've seen your attempts to trim the Wales article. Having scanned through it, it does feel a bit bloated in places. Personally I feel the section 'Composition of the Assembly' to be redundant. It is a history of the elections so far, and probably does not help anyone understand Wales much. The present leader is on the infobox, but the rest seems like waffle. What are your thoughts? FruitMonkey (talk) 22:11, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

FruitMonkey - agreed. I think a huge amount could be cut from the article. Do please join in! I think it's a shame someone forced a GA reassessment when there's a much simpler way of bringing the article up to date. Cheers, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 22:16, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree, Tony. It is a shame. Just disruptive and aggressive behaviour. Hope you are feeling stronger. With my best wishes, Gareth.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 12:59, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Gareth. Now the reassessment has been triggered, I guess we have to respond, though I can't see what the tag-bomber's interest is in Wales, all of a sudden. Not much advancement in my recovery as all diagnostics cancelled and treatment is on hold. Hopeful of some improvement eventually. T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:08, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

That is not good. You must push for an assessment. Keep safe! Gareth.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 13:14, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

GP & I juggling medication continuously - probably the most fun to be had at the moment... Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:59, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Who would have thought that we would be suffering this dreadfully frightening existence five months ago?! Gareth.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 17:16, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

We could do with a Welsh Debloatathon at some point, sort out all of those bloated inconsistently sourced core articles!† Encyclopædius 14:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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The dablink was intentional. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:22, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thankyou for your Pembrokeshire-related contributions over the years, if only we had an editor like you for all counties of Wales! † Encyclopædius 14:12, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

How very kind of you, Doc-no-more. Give me time, eh?? But seriously, it has been, and I'm sure it will continue to be, a pleasure to write about this beautiful area. Best to you and yours. Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:21, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Hear! Hear!
Best wishes to you and Tony, Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 15:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Gareth. I don't know whether I could ever be tempted very far away from writing about this area, until it's finished (I am aware of being just a little possessive about it from time to time); by then, I will be 127 years old and (if lockdown is not over by then) tripping over my own hair. :0) T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 17:36, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Ha, ha! Oh, I think we will be in lockdown of some fashion for the rest of our days. Long live Wikipædia! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:05, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Tony and other Wikipedians I hope it's ok for me to add my thanks here for the very warm welcome and helpful advice from Tony (and the rewording on Gumfreston) it's very encouraging to a new editor! I look forward to helping in any way I can and to learning from you all. Faktoj gravas (talk) 13:31, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Of course it's OK, Faktoj gravas; always appreciated. Good luck with your editing; lots to learn and lots to do! T. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:46, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Proposed Merge of Laugharne and Laugharne Township

Just a heads up on your suggestion of 6 years ago! Sirjohnperrot (talk) 06:21, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Tony, I'm Phil. Delighted to see your support for the above long-overdue merge, it proved a key contribution in getting it over the line. As a new editor I find your user page particularly helpful, thank you very much for the many insights and well targeted advice on policies. It seems we share a birthyear and also an interest in family history - "the science of fools with long memories"  :-) In my case it's that of my wife, whose earliest confirmed ancestor was from Laugharne (which is sadly where the evidence trail seems to have petered out.) I noticed that the quality rating for its article is currently on the lowest rung and thought I might have a go at gradually improving it, taking full account of your 'Aiming for B' and "Style" guidance. As the author of numerous articles on Welsh villages etc yourself perhaps you could recommend one of those, or possibly other examples from the Wales Project list, to follow as a model of good practice during my apprenticeship! Sirjohnperrot (talk) 10:02, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Phil. Virtually any article can be improved, so I recommend going wherever your interest takes you. Part of my "apprenticeship" was to work on the village where I live and by doing that learn about referencing and formatting. I probably went OTT with quantity, but learned a great deal. If you want to improve Welsh villages you could do no better than look for stub articles e.g. in Pembrokeshire and expand those. Another way to do it is look at Lists of places in Wales and look for red links. Dip into Wikipedia guidelines often, where you will learn much.

As far as genealogy goes, my family research stalled in the 18th century (bricklayers didn't leave much of a mark in written history!), but my interest in the name goes back to the Norman conquest.

Good luck. If I can help in any way, just ask. Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:08, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Narberth Forest

Is an article indicated for this subject? A combination of Canaston and Minwear. Maybe as an alternative a more general article on forests in Pembrokeshire?? If so I think you post on a Wales project page. A starter source is [3].SovalValtos (talk) 01:04, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

There is a little in the Pembrokeshire Agriculture section. Would that be a better place?SovalValtos (talk) 01:13, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

SV - Possibly there is an article. Good idea to suggest at Wikiproject Wales. It's not something I would be interested in creating, but you have made a start, so continue? Tony Holkham (Talk) 09:49, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

I need more experience before creating articles. Incidentally, I see you have come across a new editor on RNLI who is trying to run before they can walk. Copyvios with images seems to be a particular problem.SovalValtos (talk) 01:06, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

There's no better experience SV than doing (someone said). Yes, new editors: sometimes they engage; sometimes they leave. Who knows which? Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:50, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Hampshire County Council coat of arms

Hi Tony

Thank you so much for leaving a message. I work in Corporate Marketing at Hampshire County Council. The image of the Hampshire County Council coat of arms that features on a number of Wikipedia pages IS NOT the approved version of the coat of arms. I've tried to find the source and it looks like it has been uploaded by User:Fenn-O-maniC - this is not work officially commissioned by Hampshire County Council and we do not want it being circulated online as it misrepresents Hampshire County Council.

Please have it removed from all instances it appears, including wiki-Heraldry and Wikimedia Commons.

My email is corporate.marketing@hants.gov.uk if you wish to verify my comment.

Many thanks and I look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards Julia Gavin Julia.gavin@hants.gov.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julia Gavin at Hampshire County Council (talk • contribs) 16:30, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Julia Gavin at Hampshire County Council thanks for your message - Discussion moved to Talk:Hampshire. Please comment there, not here. Ta.
Tony Holkham (Talk) 16:46, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Tony, we have no objections to the Coat of Arms created by Fenn-O-maniC, as long as it is clearly labelled either a depiction or a representation of Hampshire County Council's Coat of Arms in the title and subtitle. Kind regards, Julia

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A new one on me, but delicious. I admit to having a sweet tooth. Thank you! (BTW, couldn't get your username to show; how do you type it?). T Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:54, 18 February 2021 (UTC)