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Did you know... that the Shiba Inu memes of NAFO have been called "an actual tactical event against a nation state"?

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Relevant for Wikipedia article?

Is this website now Know Your Meme? 80.4.45.119 (talk) 17:14, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If a meme is notable, then I see no reason for Wikipedia not to have an article on it. Kleinpecan (talk) 17:30, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That was my first thought. I really do not see why this needs to exist. Kx253 (talk) 04:15, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't meet the notability standard. Unless it can be proved that this group is not temporary and has significant coverage from reliable resources it should not stand. There are likely other places NAFO could be referenced (perhaps under a Ukrainian relief category) but not on its own. RedKaladin (talk) 23:50, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not temporary, and NAFO did receive "significant coverage from reliable resources" such as Politico, The Economist and The Washington Post, among others. If you think otherwise, you should nominate the article for deletion. Kleinpecan (talk) 00:02, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any other non-biased sources? 2A02:8070:A88:9A00:802F:4A46:E81C:F285 (talk) 22:01, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Bunshun explanation

I’m fond of this passage from the Bunshun article because I think it’s actually an excellent explanation for anyone who is not Extremely Online but still is curious wants to understand. That said, I acknowledge that it is (a) relatively long, and (b) in Google Translate English from Japanese, which is not ideal!

I’m leaving it here in case someone else wants to try to clean it up and reincorporate.

A Japanese weekly explained the NAFO phenomenon as a kind of unique counterdisinformation: "Worthlessness has meaning. For example, let's say that a Russian-backed operative account is spreading information on the Internet, such as 'Ukraine is a neo-Nazi regime' and 'the Ukrainian government is committing genocide,' for the purpose of confusion and anger. NAFO throws a stupid Shiba Inu fucking post there and ruins it. Then all will be fine. It's a chabudai-gaeshi [table flip], so to speak, that cuts through the flow up to that point. There is no need to take information that is intended to confuse you seriously."^[1]

url=https://bunshun.jp/articles/-/57123 |access-date=2022-09-04 jengod (talk) 14:37, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We need to be judicious about our use of quotes for copyright and other reasons. Much of my recent edits have been trimming them. Is there a way we can paraphrase it? -- Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 19:10, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Guerillero, does copyright protection extend to unpublished Google translations to English of content published in another language? Sincerely asking, not to be snarky. Dgndenver (talk) 04:20, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ 竜仁, 石動. "ウクライナ国防省が「柴犬兵士」の雑コラに感謝を表明？注目される「NAFOの戦争」とは何か". 文春オンライン (in Japanese). Retrieved 2022-09-04.

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I would like the article to have a link to the NAFO website as well as talk about it. the website is nafo-ofan.org, and I think it would be a good source of validity. feel free to contact them in case you need some more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iloveeditingthingsc (talk • contribs) 15:20, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is already linked in the 'external links' section. If you can find reliable sources discussing the website per se, you could mention it in the article body. –jacobolus (t) 18:09, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please add info about the "Donbass Devushka", in relation to the 2023 Pentagon document leaks

This is from the recent Wall Street Journal article, here:

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/social-media-account-overseen-by-former-navy-noncommissioned-officer-helped-spread-secrets-a4b5643b

The fact that Donbass Devushka isn’t a Russian from Donbas, as she presented herself online, but an American residing in Washington state, was first disclosed by pro-Ukrainian online open-source intelligence analysts and activists known as NAFO.

Thank you. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 03:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's a Wall Street Journal article, not a Washington Post article. – dudhhr^talk _contribs (he/they) 18:08, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oops! Corrected. 72.14.126.22 (talk) 03:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism of NAFO

Why is there not, at the very least, a paragraph in the Reception section regarding the dehumanization of Russians with the term "Vatnik" and "Orc", mockery of Russian KIA such as videos on the site TikTok, Twitter and Reddit in which videos containing Russian soldiers being drone bombed are overlayed with music, and defense of acts of terror such as the St. Petersburg café bombing and the death of Daria Dugina? This article is incredibly positive towards NAFO with little to no criticism offered in response.

Part of the want for "reliable sources" should be put down considering that many news articles will ignore these in the vein of remaining in support of Ukraine, and the few that do are left out due to being seen as unreliable or unreputable. Vilo2023 (talk) 23:42, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why there aren't reliable sources about this topic sounds like a good topic for a blog post or academic paper. Wikipedia's guidelines are pretty clear on this point though. Using Russian state newspapers, tabloid news websites, or self-published blogs/social media posts is not really allowed as the basis for claims in Wikipedia articles. –jacobolus (t) 04:04, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's awfully convenient. 136.30.84.99 (talk) 00:48, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedias's consensus policies about acceptable article sources certainly have their trade-offs and limitations, but something similar has been found to be more or less required for building an encyclopedia. Otherwise the site gets overrun with nonsense and disinformation from various flavors of trolls, conspiracy theorists, fringe ideologues, and propagandists. You can read the relevant policies (WP:V, WP:RS, WP:OR, WP:NPOV, WP:NOT, etc.) and argue for policy changes if you want. If you are convincing enough you might be able to move the needle a bit. –jacobolus (t) 02:17, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:

NAFO fella 01.jpg

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 23:53, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This should probably be hosted at Wikipedia rather than Commons; while the original dog photo is copyrighted, its inclusion here is almost certainly fair use under US copyright law. The dog is named Balltze (nickname "Cheems"), and lives in Hong Kong with owner Kathy (at twitter: https://twitter.com/balltzehk). Someone could try to directly ask the owner for a copyright release if they want to publish the image on Commons. –jacobolus (t) 00:37, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2023

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Please add info about Dominik Hašek to the "Recognition" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TarmoFella (talk • contribs) 09:39, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dominik Hašek ("The Dominator"), former Czech hockey goalie, joined NAFO today. His honorary avatar (fella) was created by volunteers from the Czech-Slovak NAFO as a thank you for his unwavering criticism of Russian aggression in Ukraine, Russian propaganda and the participation of Russian and Belarusian athletes in global sport and the upcoming Olympics.

See https://twitter.com/hasek_dominik See https://twitter.com/hasek_dominik/status/1657869242769764352?s=20 See https://twitter.com/ArthurDentZarq/status/1657862696316837890?s=20 TarmoFella (talk) 08:54, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callme mirela 🍁 12:16, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so you're telling me that unless someone writes an article about it, no mention of Mr. Hasek can be added to the Wikipedia article?

By the way, at the end of the article you have a section called "Non-independent references". Are you saying these are credible sources? TarmoFella (talk) 12:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. See WP:V and WP:OR. You may also want to read WP:RS. Kleuske (talk) 14:40, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, these "non-independent references" are related to subjects directly discussed in the article which are included based on analysis in independent "reliable sources". The links to tweets, etc. are not (in and of themselves) sufficient support for verifying material by Wikipedia's standard, and are included mainly for readers' convenience. –jacobolus (t) 19:59, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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In the recognition secion, add Lithuanian Prezident Gitanas Nauseda. Adding this tweet by the President as proof: https://twitter.com/GitanasNauseda/status/1659878208068624384?s=20 Glodex15 (talk) 19:40, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a "reliable source" (per Wikipedia's criteria, that means an independent secondary source such as a newspaper article, academic paper, or published book, not just a tweet) mentioning this? –jacobolus (t) 19:54, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callme mirela 🍁 21:38, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recentness?

Isn't there a template to warn about "recent things"? Maybe it's a good idea to put it here. --Bozz (talk) 06:01, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What precisely are you worried about? This is not a breaking news story, if that's what you are asking. –jacobolus (t) 16:48, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion versus fact

I would like Wikipedia to stick to facts not expressions of political opinion. 2601:147:C000:D6E0:20A1:EBA5:15BB:F72D (talk) 13:21, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have some specific criticism or is this just a general "I don't like it" kind of remark? Kleuske (talk) 13:57, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The fact there is no mention that the originator of NAFO, who is cited in the article, @Kama_Kamilia has a history of Nazi idolization (proof linked below) as well as the far-right orientation of many members of NAFO involved in minimizing the role of Ukrainian nationalists and Nazi collaborators in perpetrating the Holocaust in Ukraine and dehumanizing Russians collectively as “orcs” is frankly absurd. I don’t think I’ve ever come across such a blatantly partisan and biased article on here. https://twitter.com/mossrobeson__/status/1581069641945784320 HoodGoose (talk) 16:15, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[bunshun-1] 竜仁, 石動. "ウクライナ国防省が「柴犬兵士」の雑コラに感謝を表明？注目される「NAFOの戦争」とは何か". 文春オンライン (in Japanese). Retrieved 2022-09-04.

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 :Do you have some specific criticism or is this just a general "I don't like it" kind of remark? [[User:Kleuske|Kleuske]] ([[User talk:Kleuske|talk]]) 13:57, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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+The fact there is no mention that the originator of NAFO, who is cited in the article, @Kama_Kamilia has a history of Nazi idolization (proof linked below) as well as the far-right orientation of many members of NAFO involved in minimizing the role of Ukrainian nationalists and Nazi collaborators in perpetrating the Holocaust in Ukraine and dehumanizing Russians collectively as “orcs” is frankly absurd. I don’t think I’ve ever come across such a blatantly partisan and biased article on here.
+https://twitter.com/mossrobeson__/status/1581069641945784320 [[User:HoodGoose|HoodGoose]] ([[User talk:HoodGoose|talk]]) 16:15, 1 September 2023 (UTC)