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Centipede

Several articles mention that a particular city or line or station uses the conventional "sorokonozhka" or "column and tri-span" design, but I see no general architectural article that addresses this topic. Can someone write one? Jim.henderson (talk) 22:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I have proposed that the article History of the Moscow Metro is merged in to the history section of this article. The separate article is very short, far shorter than the history section of this article. I don't see that the topic merits a separate article as it currently stands Grunners (talk) 16:57, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, the original History article was started by me but I have never got round to expanding it to the scale it deserves. I hope to do so someday, but surely the main article will need a condensed form, whilst the history in expanded. --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 13:23, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

The right course of action is to expand the current article rather then merge or deleting it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.128.79 (talk) 17:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Vorobyovy Gory station description

The article states that Vorobyovy Gory station "is unique in the world being built into a lower level of a bridge". This is a grand claim to fame and I believe it is incorrect: as one counterexample, the Donauinsel station on Vienna's U1 metro line is on the lower level of a bridge. I'll leave it to others to decide whether to correct the article or not. Iperboreano (talk) 18:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Metro Passenger Numbers

It is possible that the claim about Moscow being the second busiest underground network in the world needs looking at. The article that it links to uses sources from 2008 and 2009 when quoting figures for Tōkyo's and Moscow's passenger figures. Following terrorist attacks, a report on BBC Radio 4 said that Moscow was the busiest underground network in the world. •• Fly by Night (talk) 11:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

L1

The table says L1 is L1, but it should be sorted as if it were line 12. What if one day a real line 12 is built and we want to know how it should be sorted?? Should it be 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-L1-12 or 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-L1?? Georgia guy (talk) 18:18, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-L1 looks natural to me. The table doesn't imply that L1 is some "12th" line, it just puts it right after all the "letterless" lines in a standard alphabetical order (first numbers, than letters A, B... L etc).--Sascha. (talk) 10:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Simply because we're using the sortable function of Wiki table. If we write "L1" instead of "12", the ascending sorting will sort the "L1" before "01", "02", etc. p.s. Moscow Metro has officially changed the title of Line L1 to Light Metro: Butovskaya Line (ЛЕГКОЕ МЕТРО: БУТОВСКАЯ ЛИНИЯ)[1]. Just discuss it before moving the article. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 11:04, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

«Simply because we're using the sortable function of Wiki table.» - and that's fully ok, I suggest we just continue doing thst.
«If we write "L1" instead of "12"» - we are not writing L1 «instead» of 12, it is MM who has designated the line L1 (Л1) and not 12, we are just reporting things as they are.
«Just discuss it before moving the article.» - that one I didn't understand, we should discuss moving which article where?--Sascha. (talk) 12:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Title of Line L1 currently is Butovskaya Light Metro Line. I'm suggesting moving it to either simply Butovskaya Line or Light Metro: Butovskaya Line (Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#Colons approves use of colon), though I prefer the shorter one. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 06:00, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Bank cards

Let's imagine a next condition: an average of 44-48 trips per month (40 on work days plus few times on weekends). The Transport Card for 90 days cost 3020 rubles. So it's going to be 24 160 rubles per two years. 48 trips per month cost 894 rubles with the bank card. That's 21 456 rubles. Plus you have to pay at maximum 1200 rubles for the card (2-year service in average). So you saves at least 1000 rubles comparing to 90-day Transport Card and over 4000 rubles if you use 20 trips tickets. Not everyone is able to pay 10000 once for a yearly unlim card. And, unlike with bank card you won't get refund if you lose it.

Therefore: in specific popular conditions the statement is dubious. Elk Salmon (talk) 07:51, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

1080/60=18 (This card is valid for 45 days, so we are easily fit even in 40-days area if you buy in advance before the weekends, for example). Addon: If you override 70 trips, it doesn't stop the charge and you hit 21.14 RUR insted of same 18.

18*48=864 instead of 894+for a card. 91.76.209.103 (talk) 19:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

(48*24)/60*1080 = 20736. Just slightly cheaper. And you won't get refund if you make under 60 trips in 45 days. For 1080 р. You buys up to 60 passes in 45 days. So it's not notably more expensive and still cheaper in some conditions. Elk Salmon (talk) 16:12, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup

The article contains a lot of language mistakes, most notably the Russicisms. I have tried to remove or verify the unsourced claims, but still someone unfamiliar with the topic has to place {{citation needed}} templates where appropriate. Artem Karimov (talk | edits) 10:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Correct color??

The map near the top of the article says that Line 12 (which I believe is the Solntsevskaya Line) is pink.

Moscow Metro map

But the line template says that it is light green.

Which is correct?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:39, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

No. Line 12 is supposed to be the Third Interchange Circuit. The official map uses orange stripe with dark-brown strokes.[2] -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 15:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

And Solntsevskaya will be Line 13?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

No again. The official map marks it as Line 8 which confuses me because it's supposed to be an independent line from Kalininskaya until 2017. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 15:54, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

And what then?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:55, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

The colors for future lines are copied from Russian Wikipedia by me. You can edit the {{MOSMETRO color‎}} for correction. And the map on Wikipedia was modified by IgorNsk. It is difficult to modify because it's raster image rather than vector. I would say we should always follow the official version rather than speculation. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 16:01, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

But the Russian Wikipedia still isn't official. If this info were from the Moscow Metro's official map, then it would be the official version. Georgia guy (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

True, we can compromise by using the map without proposed or constructing lines like file:Mosmetro2010.svg or File:Moscow metro map en sb.svg until someone has make an accurate one per official data. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 16:06, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

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