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:::My third thought was that there's currently no article about the new “[https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/downloads/EN/publikationen/2023/BMI23001.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=7 National Strategy Against Antisemitism and for Jewish Life]” (NASAS). In this strategy, almost everything you’ve gathered in the article is mentioned at least in passing. For instance, it calls for an expansion of the commissioner system, setting up corresponding structures at all levels of society. Antisemitism monitoring and documentation is to “build on the existing structures of the RIAS Federal Association” (on RIAS, see Moses 2023, p. 77 f.; [https://forward.com/news/557552/does-germany-offer-a-model-or-a-warning-for-how-the-us-should-fight-antisemitism/ Rosenfeld 2023]: This alone makes the AAS ideology a defining factor in the identification of antisemitism). BDS is effectively criminalized because “a boycott of goods and services from Israel could, under certain conditions, violate regulations of foreign trade law (§7 AWV)” (on BDS and NASAS, see [http://siba-ese.unile.it/index.php/paco/article/view/29062 della Porta 2024, p. 307]). Deplatforming by means of funding withdrawal (on this withdrawal, see [https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/germany-weaponised-antisemitism-eroding-democracy-how Engelke 2024]; [https://www.zeit.de/kultur/2024-07/bundestag-resolution-antisemitismus-schutz-juedisches-leben-verfassungsschutz/komplettansicht Löbbert 2024]) is a sub-goal within the “Education” action area: “Antisemitic incidents are increasing in the arts and cultural sectors … The federal government’s goal is therefore to promote and strengthen opportunities for critical self-reflection as well as antisemitism-critical art and cultural work.” And so on.
:::My third thought was that there's currently no article about the new “[https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/downloads/EN/publikationen/2023/BMI23001.pdf?__blob=publicationFile&v=7 National Strategy Against Antisemitism and for Jewish Life]” (NASAS). In this strategy, almost everything you’ve gathered in the article is mentioned at least in passing. For instance, it calls for an expansion of the commissioner system, setting up corresponding structures at all levels of society. Antisemitism monitoring and documentation is to “build on the existing structures of the RIAS Federal Association” (on RIAS, see Moses 2023, p. 77 f.; [https://forward.com/news/557552/does-germany-offer-a-model-or-a-warning-for-how-the-us-should-fight-antisemitism/ Rosenfeld 2023]: This alone makes the AAS ideology a defining factor in the identification of antisemitism). BDS is effectively criminalized because “a boycott of goods and services from Israel could, under certain conditions, violate regulations of foreign trade law (§7 AWV)” (on BDS and NASAS, see [http://siba-ese.unile.it/index.php/paco/article/view/29062 della Porta 2024, p. 307]). Deplatforming by means of funding withdrawal (on this withdrawal, see [https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/germany-weaponised-antisemitism-eroding-democracy-how Engelke 2024]; [https://www.zeit.de/kultur/2024-07/bundestag-resolution-antisemitismus-schutz-juedisches-leben-verfassungsschutz/komplettansicht Löbbert 2024]) is a sub-goal within the “Education” action area: “Antisemitic incidents are increasing in the arts and cultural sectors … The federal government’s goal is therefore to promote and strengthen opportunities for critical self-reflection as well as antisemitism-critical art and cultural work.” And so on.
:::But writing this article would require a lot of work. Especially regarding antisemitism-sensitive education, quite a bit has already been published since the publication of and in line with the strategy. [[User:DaWalda|DaWalda]] ([[User talk:DaWalda|talk]]) 21:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
:::But writing this article would require a lot of work. Especially regarding antisemitism-sensitive education, quite a bit has already been published since the publication of and in line with the strategy. [[User:DaWalda|DaWalda]] ([[User talk:DaWalda|talk]]) 21:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:DaWalda|DaWalda]] First off, many thanks for the NASAS and Rosenfeld links. I've added those to the External links and Further reading sections of the AASG article. The Rosenfeld in particular is excellent. Moses' points on RIAS are likewise well taken. (He mentions [[Achille Mbembe]] ... I don't know if you've ever looked at [[:de:Achille Mbembe]] and its talk page ... another case that would require too much work to put right in de:WP, at least for now, given that the article does not get all that many readers.)
::::As for BDS, the bizarre thing to my mind is that the July advisory opinion of the ICJ arguably ''[[ICJ case on Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories#Ruling|requires]]'' UN member states to implement some boycotts and sanctions, at least as far as Israeli settlements, production outputs and development projects in the occupied territories are concerned. Germans like to insist on law and order and Rechtsstaatlichkeit and all that, but precious little is heard of the implications of the ICJ opinion ([[:de:Gutachten zu den rechtlichen Folgen von Israels Besatzungspolitik]] in German political and media discourse (at least outside specialist venues like Verfassungsblog) as far as I can tell.
::::A de:WP article on NASAS would certainly be worthwhile. It would also have to give due weight to German mainstream opinion (and might prove really contentious and stressful to work on). Thanks again for your thoughts ... It's good to talk! Best, [[User:Jayen466|Andreas]] <small>[[User_Talk:Jayen466|<span style="color: #FFBF00;">JN</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jayen466|466]]</small> 22:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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Anti-antisemitism in Germany

Den Artikel finde ich sehr gut. Planst du, den auch noch in die deutsche Wikipedia zu übersetzen? Da fehlt etwas Entsprechendes ja auch noch.
LG, DaWalda (talk) 17:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo DaWalda, schön, von dir zu hören. Der Artikel war eine Kollaboration mit User:Buidhe, die ihn hier auch auf die Hauptseite gebracht hat. Eine Übersetzung ins Deutsche hatte ich bislang noch nicht geplant. Das Klima in der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia war da bislang nicht sehr günstig und die Erfolgsaussichten eher gering (siehe etwa die Löschdiskussion zur deutschen Übersetzung von Gaza genocide: de:Wikipedia:Löschkandidaten/13. August 2024#Völkermord-Vorwürfe gegen Israel (Gazakrieg_2023–2024) (gelöscht).
Geht inzwischen vielleicht besser, da der Groschen l-a-n-g-s-a-m bei einigen Leuten zu fallen scheint.
Man müsste das Thema in der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia wahrscheinlich im Rahmen eines weiter gefassten Artikels über die Staatsräson im engeren Sinne (also die der Bundesregierung bezüglich Israel) angehen, inklusive der deutschen Innensicht. Das Thema wird momentan glaube ich nur hier behandelt: de:Staatsräson#Israels_Sicherheit_als_deutsche_Staatsräson. Dort könnte man vielleicht als ein Anfang ein oder zwei kritische Stimmen basierend auf Quellen wie dem Artikel von de:Gert Krell einfügen. Das sind momentan meine Gedanken ... freue mich aber auch über anderweitige Vorschläge. LG, --Andreas JN466 12:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My German is sadly not good enough to contribute to de. wiki much at all.
I would agree that, while Wikipedia purports to be global and based on the viewpoints of sources, not editors, in fact, the viewpoints of the editor base not infrequently color content. I'm still surprised that the German wiki editors deleted the article "accusations of Gaza genocide" because they thought it was "disgusting BDS propaganda" (!) maybe notability works differently over there (t · c) buidhe 12:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then I tip my hat to you :) But you’d better stick with the English Wikipedia. Working on articles here is much more enjoyable, partly due to the climate surrounding Middle Eastern topics.
Ah, true, Andreas. Honestly, after that discussion, I wouldn't feel motivated to attempt another translation on the subject either. And that was also my second thought — that a German counterpart to this article would immediately be accused of POV-pushing.
My third thought was that there's currently no article about the new “National Strategy Against Antisemitism and for Jewish Life” (NASAS). In this strategy, almost everything you’ve gathered in the article is mentioned at least in passing. For instance, it calls for an expansion of the commissioner system, setting up corresponding structures at all levels of society. Antisemitism monitoring and documentation is to “build on the existing structures of the RIAS Federal Association” (on RIAS, see Moses 2023, p. 77 f.; Rosenfeld 2023: This alone makes the AAS ideology a defining factor in the identification of antisemitism). BDS is effectively criminalized because “a boycott of goods and services from Israel could, under certain conditions, violate regulations of foreign trade law (§7 AWV)” (on BDS and NASAS, see della Porta 2024, p. 307). Deplatforming by means of funding withdrawal (on this withdrawal, see Engelke 2024; Löbbert 2024) is a sub-goal within the “Education” action area: “Antisemitic incidents are increasing in the arts and cultural sectors … The federal government’s goal is therefore to promote and strengthen opportunities for critical self-reflection as well as antisemitism-critical art and cultural work.” And so on.
But writing this article would require a lot of work. Especially regarding antisemitism-sensitive education, quite a bit has already been published since the publication of and in line with the strategy. DaWalda (talk) 21:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DaWalda First off, many thanks for the NASAS and Rosenfeld links. I've added those to the External links and Further reading sections of the AASG article. The Rosenfeld in particular is excellent. Moses' points on RIAS are likewise well taken. (He mentions Achille Mbembe ... I don't know if you've ever looked at de:Achille Mbembe and its talk page ... another case that would require too much work to put right in de:WP, at least for now, given that the article does not get all that many readers.)
As for BDS, the bizarre thing to my mind is that the July advisory opinion of the ICJ arguably requires UN member states to implement some boycotts and sanctions, at least as far as Israeli settlements, production outputs and development projects in the occupied territories are concerned. Germans like to insist on law and order and Rechtsstaatlichkeit and all that, but precious little is heard of the implications of the ICJ opinion (de:Gutachten zu den rechtlichen Folgen von Israels Besatzungspolitik in German political and media discourse (at least outside specialist venues like Verfassungsblog) as far as I can tell.
A de:WP article on NASAS would certainly be worthwhile. It would also have to give due weight to German mainstream opinion (and might prove really contentious and stressful to work on). Thanks again for your thoughts ... It's good to talk! Best, Andreas JN466 22:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]