Talk:Avenged Sevenfold

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The Deathbat

The deathbat IS!!!! on the cover of City of Evil, but not on Sounding of the sevnth Trumpeth, or Live LBS & Diamonds in the Rough.... change that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Deathbat is a rip-off of Tiger Army's Logo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.193.225.125 (talk) 22:43, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

No Way is A7x heavy metal

Who thought it would be funny to put them under heavy metal? They have just about no characteristics or anywhere near the heaviness to be called any kind of metal. Maybe alternative metal. I'm calling for it to be edited out. They're just flat out hard rock and they've STATE that they are NOT metal nor try to be. THAT is blatant rule breaking of that point of view rule we have around these parts.

Pantera, Children of Bodom, Anniahaltor all could be classified as heavy metal (even though Children of Bodom is more power metal). A7x is closer to being under the guns n roses-ish category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TapOut 013 (talk • contribs) 02:51, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Recent events

The "Recent events" section is mentioning events from 2006 and 2007... is this really considered recent? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.251.119.68 (talk) 07:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

The origin of the band's name should be changed

The exact line from which the band's name originates is line 24 of Genesis, Chapter Four, of the King James Bible. "If Cain shall be 'avenged sevenfold', truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold. " Iamtheram (talk) 00:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Missing a Song M Shadows was featured in

M Shadows sings on the song Like Always by Kiss for Kings (Formerly A Permanent Holiday) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.53.69 (talk) 23:20, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Gage C.

alrity there is an error on the Band name and lyrical content. Cain would suffer "vengeance seven times over" should be or (in a different version) (if you prefer) should suffer "vengeance sevenfold"

Matt Wendt?

I've been a fan of A7X for quite some time and I have read this page many times and I was curious who the heck is Matt Wendt and when where they added because I don't recall anyone of that name being in the band.

Genre Change in opening paragraph

You can't pinpoint A7X as only a metalcore band in the opening paragraph, therefore, I have changed it to read "heavy metal/hard rock with hardcore influences". If you wish to dispute it, please show your evidence that A7X ONLY represents metalcore before reverting it. --Supercodes (talk) 22:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Sell-outs?

"Reasoning behind their change in style can be attributed to the fact that they weren't making near as much money being heavy metal, so they completely cut screaming out of their music, thus making the change from heavy metal to hard rock, in order to slip into the mainstream and make more money. They are often labeled as sellouts because of this." Who wrote this? It just seems wrong to put this and seems like the author is bashing the band —Preceding unsigned comment added by Titan50 (talk • contribs) 17:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreeing with above post; that section needs serious rewriting. RWyn (talk) 00:33, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

if you are nodding your head with the guy who says they are sell outs then you are obviously an idiot, Avenged Sevenfold stopped screaming because the lead singer blew a vain in his throat while screaming so he cant scream anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MacNJack (talk • contribs) 21:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

O.K............ M. Shadows can screm better than ever proof are songs like walk and blinded in chains (blinded in chains he holds a long scream for like 3-5 seconds) he can scream they just realized that they can do more then just scream —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dld6661 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

WTF'N F?

Who put in all of those fuckin genres like hardcore punk alternative metal power ballad and THIRD WAVE SKA?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? >:o

Thrash???

I noticed some of their new material has thrash elements. Would it be appropriate to say they are thrash? They have speed metal elements, and they have a couple occasional shouts and screams in a few of their songs. Wut do you think? RaikiriChidori 12:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

There is a "genre" section describing a7x's apparent variations in their genre and styles. You should feel free to contribute to that section by showing examples of songs of theirs that demonstrate thrash or speed metal.

Andrew Nutter (talk) 01:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm. I always thought that having a genre argument on here was a bad idea. Anyway the point with A7X is that they don't want to get put into a specific genre. They want to evolve constantly so they can't get "typecast". I think that should be included somewhere. I'll come back with a reference. The thing is if you start showing examples of different genres your going to have a very, very long page of pretty much meaningless information. P'sInTheShadows (talk) 14:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

They have death metal elements would it be pertinent to write it? I think they're fuckin' emo too but the latest album was more from power metal thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.201.169.202 (talk) 16:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

holla

You people take the genre of this band way too seriously. Who gives a fuck.

Its true who cares what genre they are just enjoy the music.

I think personally that A7X perposally makes they're music sound unique just to drive stupid people that have to put a label on everything insane.

Um....their music is definitly not unique sounding. Obviously you've never listened to any of the bands they completely steal their "unique sound" from.. 74.67.202.89 21:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey mr. 74.67.202.89. please quit wasting everyones time attacking a band in their discussion page. Zanders5k 21:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Almost all of there songs are different.I know,i own all 38 currently released,and they are all about change,they don't stick to one genre,so the best decision would be just to classify them as rock.4.235.189.179 03:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

74.67.202.89, you must be pretty dumb aren't you. EVERY band "copies" other bands if they even affiliate with any genre at all. Avenged Sevenfold just happens to "copy" far less than everyone else by just using elements from multiple genres to create music that is truly their own, rather than just finding one genre they're good at and sticking to it; that would really be copying. And yeah, person who started this thread, you have a good point in that genre really doesn't matter, which is why I started the little section saying how, to Avenged Sevenfold, genre really means nothing and all that stuff. And just because it isn't something to judge music by or whatever, it doesn't mean it isn't something worth thinking about, does it? I think that would be a bit ignorant.

Andrew Nutter (talk) 01:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

You don't care what genre they are. You only care about the music. Good for you! but really, are you really gonna write to an encyclopedia "Dude, you called my favourite band a genre. And you had a section about what genre elements are in their music. I don't give a fuck what their genre is, so take it out!" there is a place for that kinda stuff, and Wikipedia is not it.Xanthic-Ztk (talk) 10:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

origin of the band's name

I noticed that the article mentions that the name "avenged sevenfold" comes from Genesis 4:15, which says "therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold...." I was wondering if the person who wrote the article (or anyone who happens to be reading this) knows if that is really true. Since their name contains the word "avenged," which implies vindication, it seems incorrect to say that their name came from a verse that has "vengeance," meaning punishment more than vindication. Instead, the actual phrase shows up in Genesis 4:24, which says "If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold." I wonder if their name actually came from the story of Lamech than specifically the story of Cain?

Kkhunziker 01:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)kkhunziker

I'll have to see if I can find the interview - or whatever I read this in - again, but I know I read somewhere that Avenged Sevenfold said themselves that, that is where the band's name came from. Sunrise55 21:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)SPLEEEEEEEENNNN!!!!!

It's in All XS. Goes over the band name in quite alot of detail although I would'nt know how you could reference it.P'sInTheShadows (talk) 14:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I also saw that in Genesis and I think that it is from Genesis 4:24 and not 4:15. I'm not going to change it because I'm not sure but it makes more since as Genesis 4:24. Ziggy55 (talk) 04:21, 30 January 2008 (UTC) Wow I didn't know the members where Christian but their music isn't right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.33.172 (talk) 20:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Well... YES IT ACTUALLY COMES FROM THE FRICKING BIBLE, YES IT COMES FROM CAIN, YES THEY ROCK AND YES YOU NEED TO GET OVER THE WHOLE OVER ANALYZING THING

All bibles are different, mine doesnt say "avenged sevenfold" but "suffer vengeance seven times over" and in the case of Lamech if Cain is avnged seven time, then Lamech seventy seven times." I think he Matt either had to revise what hed written, or his bible says "avenged sevenfold", straight up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.158.15 (talk) 03:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

In checking this, the New American Standard Bible, the New King James Veresion, and the King James Version, specifically use the term "avenged sevenfold" in v24, and NOT v15. So while v15 describes the initial protection for Cain, it does not use the specific term. Verse 24 is actually entirely about Lamech, as has been noted, but specifically states in the abovementioned versions, "...if Cain is avenged sevenfold, Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold." So it makes the most sense that the band took it from 4:24. I am unaware of the phrase "avenged sevenfold" being used in any other common translation anywhere else other than v24.--12.104.137.226 (talk) 20:56, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Templates for the talk page

First of all there's too many. And the to do is empty. and what does this have to do with california??? Lg1223 20:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

City Of Evil

I think City Of Evil's main genre is Punk Metal (but not Metalcore). It fits in with its contemparies like Eighteen Visions etc. It is quite punky at the same time as being metal thats why I call it Punk Metal.

i'm going to pose a question here... i;m just putting this out there... WHO CARES what the genre is... just enjoy the music

If you guys check out my topic about genre disputes a few sections down, you can contribute your idea as to what the genre should be. --BoaDrummer 06:53, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

• Zacky Vengeance owns his own clothing line, called "Zacky V. Presents..." It features the popular "Vengeance University" line, featuring shirts, belt buckles and hoodies. Each of his items are labled with 6661 which is upside down for the year that the band Avenged Sevenfold started. [1].
• Synyster Gates also has a clothing line, titled "Syn Gates Clothing."
• The Rev and Synyster were both members of the band Pinkly Smooth, formed with members of the now-extinct band Ballistico. The Rev sang and also recorded drums. Former Avenged Sevenfold bassist, Justin Sane, was also in the band.
• The Rev and former bassist Justin Sane also used to be in the ska/pop/rock band Suburban Legends, also from Orange County.
• The group won "Best New Artist" at the 2006 MTV Video Music Awards, despite not truly being a new band. The band themselves gave an incentive to those who voted for them (live, unreleased videos for "Seize the Day" and "Bat Country")
• Synyster Gates' father, Brian Haner plays some of the acoustic guitars on City of Evil, including the first acoustic solo on the song Sidewinder and Strength of the World. He is often referred to as the band's official acoustic guitarist.
• The song "Beast and the Harlot" was featured in 2006 PlayStation2's Guitar Hero II under the setlist Face-Melters. It also appears in the Xbox 360 port of the game.
• The idea from the song Beast and the Harlot, and many of the lyrics, were taken from the Book of Revelation, the final book of the Bible. Much of the song appears in chapters 20-25.
• Zacky V came up with 6661 which represents the year the band was formed, inverted; Zacky can be seen sporting on stage his 6661 belt buckles.
• In an episode of Bones you can hear the song "Bat Country" in the background of a party.
• In the movie Big Momma's House II you can hear part of the song "Bat Country" in the back ground at a night club.
• In The Playstation 2 Game Burnout Revenge, an edited version of "Beast and The Harlot" is a soundtrack song
• In an episode of Always Sunny in Philadelphia, you can see an Avenged sticker in the bathroom at their bar.
• In the music video for "Before He Cheats" by Carrie Underwood you can see a woman in the background wearing an A7X tank top.
• Avenged Sevenfold's vocalist M. Shadows will be appearing on country rapper Cowboy Troy's new CD.
• The Song "Bat Country" is heavily influenced by Hunter S Thompson's Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. The music video starts off like the actual movie, quoting "He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
• M Shadows says only 10 out of 18 songs made it to the new album, which they co-produced. See the full interview here [2], while they were in Singapore for music festival SingFest. Some performances here [3]

Per the Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles guideline I have moved this section to talk page so that it can be sourced, then integrated into the article where and if appropriate. Yamaguchi先生 01:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Just another addition to the trivia section that could be integrated somewhere on the main page but the song "Almost Easy" appears on the soundtrack of Need For Speed:Pro Street. Annoyingly I'm at work and can't access games sites so I can't get a reference.P'sInTheShadows (talk) 15:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

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Associated Acts

Although the Good Charlotte article mentions that M. Shadows is a guest vocalist on one of their tracks, I don't think this qualifies as associated acts. Plus this isn't even mentioned on this page. Random89 06:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

All Excess DVD.

How come this isn't mentioned anywhere? You can check their website.--Lynx Austin 18:35, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

It's "ALL EXCESS" not "Access"... Just making sure it's spelled corectly...--LockedUpInside

Article is better but needs improvements

Okay, I read the article, and it's pretty decent, far better than what was there previously. First, information about the band should be first in the band history, not in the second paragraph after descriptions of Waking the Fallen and City of Evil. Personally, I'd have "Band HIstory" (and under that, give a history) with subheadings below that for "Member History" and "Album History." It would accomplish a greater sense of organization and professionalism. I won't make any changes because (1) I'm completely incompetent when it comes to Wiki markup language and (2) I'm all for democracy on this, unless we're voting for something entirely stupid. --CanesOL79 04:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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Codes

I think people might want to leave the edits in the code for the chart history and singles history tables to people who actually know what they're doing. I just spent a half hour fixing up the codes. --BoaDrummer 20:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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Organized page.

I messed around with the organization a little bit, the whole huge chunk of text always seemed a bit overwhelming to me. I broke it down into a few smaller topics. If anyone has any issue with that, feel free to comment. --BoaDrummer 18:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Yet another genre dispute.

We're having some issues on the page with a particular user, namely User:Mehicdino constantly changing the genre of the band from hard rock/heavy metal to only metal. I think a while back we'd agreed that the genre should be listed as both hard rock and heavy metal. I've warned him a number of times to not change the genre, but my warnings are unnoticed or ignored. Does this call for a sort of reporting for vandalism or something else? --BoaDrummer 05:18, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

It would be better if a link to this discussion can be provided. That way some community consensus can be shown to the users that change the genre or propose to change it. I think if the link cannot be provided then the community should again discuss the genre providing sources where appropriate. Because in the warnings you placed on the talk page you say that a discussion has taken place but no links were provided to the discussion. As this apparently is disputed there should be community consensus as to what genre is to be listed.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 00:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Although I know we've had this discussion before, I can't find a record of it, so I think we need to have another consensus. I say that we classify the band as heavy metal and hard rock, since that is what the genre is listed as on the band's official MySpace page. They are also listed as metal/hard rock on their entry in AllMusic, and AOL.com music. MTV.com also lists them as a metalcore band that is trying to shed the -core part of the name.[4] --BoaDrummer 06:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, A7X should be listed as hard rock, heavy metal and metalcore under genres but be described as a metalcore band in the opening paragraph. This is because, even though A7X are more hard rock and heavy metal than they are metalcore now, the bulk of the material the band has released has been metalcore. City of Evil is still heavily influenced by the band's previous metalcore style, even if it is more hard rock/heavy metal. The metalcore sound is present in all three albums A7X have released, albeit to a small degree in City of Evil, whereas hard rock and heavy metal are practically non-existent before the last album. Chances are, if somebody didn't know what genre Avenged Sevenfold are and had a random playlist of their songs, they would hit one that is metalcore over one that is from City of Evil. There is my argument, I know people will disagree with me because "metalcore" is a bad word and probably considered insulting by some, but I'm a huge fan of metalcore and this band and I believe they should be listed by their most influential style and what they are most known for, which is metalcore. After the band's next album, maybe this could be changed if their sound continues to progress. James25402 15:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I most definitely do agree with this. I'm still trying to figure out a way to get the guy who's constantly changing the genre to stop. --BoaDrummer 00:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I would say the best way would be to direct them to this current discussion and ask them to participate and if they still do not wish to discuss then perhaps it's best to bring this to the attention of an administrator. I however, would say adding hard rock, heavy metal, and metalcore to the infobox would be best. I also agree with calling them metalcore in the opening paragraph. I also have moved the html note about the genre into the genre part itself of the infobox.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 03:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Think about it, we can't just go around calling it "heavy metal" or "hard rock" because that's how the CD came labeled or they label themselves on myspace or because everybody likes calling their favorite band heavy metal because it sounds cool. Heavy metal is "heavy" metal because of "heavy" bass use, something Avenged Sevenfold does not employ. It's metal, but it's not "heavy" metal. I don't care what kind of metal you call it, but I know it's not "heavy" metal, so don't label it as such just because the band likes calling themselves that. They're not the first band to innaccurately call themselves heavy metal because they don't know the difference. I mean, it makes sense that they would too, since who's going to be impressed by a band that simply labels themselves as "metal" because they lost their "core"? They're only using the term because they don't know what it really means and it sounds cool. If Avenged Sevenfold said that suicide is a good thing, would you do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xanofar (talk • contribs) 22:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Avenged Sevenfold doesn't have a genre. Sure, list them as metal and hard rock because most of their music fits somewhat in that genre, but the whole point of the genre section is to identify their lack of a real genre and how they vary between genres so much, due mostly in part to the fact that genres aren't really clear cut groups, there is A LOT of overlap.

Andrew Nutter (talk) 01:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

drug use

in revolver magazine they admited many times that they do drugs and do things with groupies. maybe we should put that in the article...

How recent was the article? They've said many times that they've gone back on those statements. --BoaDrummer 20:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirection of Pinkly Smooth?

Why does the page Pinkly Smooth redirect to Avenged Sevenfold? Theyre are not the same band at all, its Syn's and the Rev's side project. CJDunne89 23:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

It redirected because there was nothing relevant on the page. --BoaDrummer 00:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Beast and the harlot

Their first song off of city of evil is a song using words from the book of revelation. WaltDaMan 16:11, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Walk.

Just so everyone knows, A7X's cover of Walk is not on Punk Goes 90's. I would delete it myself, but I can't. someone change it, eh? 75.162.120.84 07:11, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Genres, again...

Who keeps calling them Heavy Metal? ME!!! ...IM DARK MESSIA If theres one genre I know, it's heavy metal, and Avenged Sevenfold, at least it's City of Evil album, is *not* heavy metal. It's either power metal or speed metal or something else, but it's definatley *not* heavy metal. While heavy metal can be played fast, it's usually slower than this album, but that's not the main point, the main reason is that heavy metal is called "heavy" metal because of it's "heavy" bass use, whereas City of Evil does not do this, and thus, is not heavy metal. Please research genres before changing it. While City of Evil may be of a genre that is an off-shoot of heavy metal, it is not heavy metal itself, and should be more accurately labeled as a different form, I would recomend power or speed metal, but those are just my suggestions.

STOP F@#!ING BAGGING THEM OUT AS@ H#LE

Also, before this, it was labeled as techno/country, which is absolutely the most reciculous thing ever. This page dissappoints me, because it really shows the problems of a website that can be editted by anyone.

Also, I think what the band labels themselves as is irrelevent. Motorhead labels themselves as Rock & Roll, and the Gorillaz are labeled as many, many different genres depending on where you buy one of their CDs from.

Xanofar 19:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps one of the best solutions would be to simply label them as metalcore as they used to, the influences are there, after all, and the label the band uses for themselves is a stretch, at best.

Xanofar 19:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It was agreed months ago as to what the genre should be. It was labeled heavy metal/hard rock, and that's what I've reverted it to. --BoaDrummer 02:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Prince Of All Saiyans 16:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prince Of All Saiyans (talk • contribs)

How bout let's call it "music" and call it a day. And OK I guess the genre section is good to explain how they don't fit in a genre.Andrew Nutter (talk) 01:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

K I recommend the following for each album:

Sounding the Seven Trumpet - Waking the fallen: Metalcore
City of Evil: Hard Rock, Speed Metal
Self-titled album: Speed Metal, Thrash Metal, Heavy Metal
Anybody disagree? RaikiriChidori 03:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Lets leave it at the agreed genres. Inhumer (talk) 01:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

- Agreed, leave it as it is. --Louis EX (talk) 06:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

errn,.. fuck guys, Avenge Sevenfold is pure death metal. Even M Shadow admitted this! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.150.240 (talk) 18:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok,are you guys out of your minds?Death metal,thrash metal,speed metal?Avenged sevenfold were never any of these,first of all,they don't even have distorted guitars,nor does m. shadows death growl,so they're not death metal,second of all,there not all that fast,they are definetely not speed metal.And what the fuck,how is their self-titled album thrash metal,have you ever listened to thrash metal.Slayer,megadeth,anthrax,and (once)metallica.Avenged sevenfold do not sound like either of these.They are influenced by metalllica,but that doesn't make them thrash,in fact their not even metal,they were metalcore on their first and second albums.But city of evil is just hard rock,and their self titled album is definetely not metal,damnit,have you listened to dear god and a little piece of heaven,they're not metal,critical acclaim is the only song on that album that could even be considered metal,almost easy is hard rock,afterlife is somewhat softer,dear god is a country rock song,and a little piece of a heaven sounds like panic at the disco,so i'd label it pop.Seriously,what the hell,you really need to research metal more if you think avenged sevenfold is metal.4.235.189.149 (talk) 01:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Death metal? "Even M Shadow admitted this!" any references? By the way, interviews are not reliable source and they are not death metal. Hard rock, Heavy metal & Metalcore are just fine.--Jpkmaster (talk) 16:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

A7X Not releasing all songs

Avenged Sevenfold Made about 30 songs but only put 10 on the Cd that just came out October 28 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.240.166.113 (talk) 00:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Genesis 4:15

Made a minor change to the section talking about the origin of the band's name - there was a slight logical flaw. As worded, it said (paraphrasing) "The man who killed Cain would be avenged sevenfold." The essence of the Bible verse is that CAIN will be avenged sevenfold, not the man who kills him. In other words, Cain's killer will be killed seven times. Applejuicefool (talk) 20:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Names

M. Shadows is Matthew Sanders Zacky Vengence is Zachary Baker Synyster Gates is Brian Haner Jr. Johnny Christ is Johnathan Seward The Rev is James Sullivan

That would be handy to put by the stage names in the article. Though most people know the names.63.98.171.184 (talk) 19:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Crossroads - Single

Hey I noticed that the single "Crossroads" was not on this page surprisingly so I tried to add it and I think I kinda screwed it up so sorry about that but if anyone does know how to do that I would appreciate it if they would put "Crossroads" on there. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 11watkins (talk • contribs) 05:52, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

"Crossroads" Single...i fixed it :)

Hey i think i just fixed that whole crossroads thing but there is still no article about the song on wikipedia altogether so if anyone can get that up there than that would be great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 11watkins (talk • contribs) 06:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Crossroads wikipedia article

hey i just started a new article about the Crossroads (Single) (i think that link will take you to the page) but anyway i didn't do a very efficient job at it because i dont kno much about it so if someone wants to go on it and fix it up a bit id appreciate that alot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 11watkins (talk • contribs) 06:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, as someone who came across this page in a 'six degrees' kind of way, I'm wondering what the justification behind having an entire sub-title about 'screaming' is for this article. Not criticising the band in any way, just was wondering if that section could be cleaned up to specific albums/songs etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Very neant (talk • contribs) 16:48, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

GENRE

Nu metal. (DARK MESSIA) ITS KICK ASS METAL THATS WHAT IT IS

Album information

Nu Metal.

No distortion?

Can somebody who claims Avenged Sevenfold don't use heavy distortion please give me a sensible argument of why they can't come under the genre of heavy metal? I've seen it written several times as a reason why Avenged Sevenfold are hard rock, I personally think they use elements of both. They don't use heavy distortion throughout their entire songs, that I will admit, but they do use heavy distortion in almost all of their City of Evil songs onwards for at least parts of the song, some for most of the song and some for only part, just as they did in their metalcore days. Even Seize the Day, towards the end of the song, has some heavy distortion coming in. How heavy does the "heavy distortion" really have to be to be considered heavy metal? Because Avenged Sevenfold are sure as hell leaps and bounds heavier than so-called hard rock bands like Bon Jovi, Van Halen, Aerosmith and tons of others that I can't be bothered to list for at least parts of all their songs. James25402 (talk) 10:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

People can't handle the fact that a band they may not like is still a metal band, because they're elitist nerds that no one with a brain ever pays attention to. It's just the way it is.24.125.253.129 (talk) 18:05, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Whoever said that is an idiot. Two facts bear to mind. 1) Avenged Sevenfold does have pretty heavy distortions on their guitars. To say otherwise... is hearing what you WANT to hear. You're delusional if you don't think so. and 2) early heavy metal bands such as Motorhead, Deep Purple, Bang, etc. didn't really have heavy distortions either and in the 80s a lot of bands got away with being labeled metal while having relatively thin guitars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.156.166.47 (talk) 21:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

The band members trivia

who here thinks this should have there real names on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by A7x008 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't really think it's relevant to anything, so I've left it off in the past. I don't think it needs to be on here. --BoaDrummer 17:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Someone got basically out of hand with the genres.

Avenged Sevenfold's early material is not post . Post is stuff like Thursday, Chiodos, ect. Basically taking emo/ punk and adding a slight experimental edge to it. Avenged Sevenfold's first album is pretty straightforward metalcore. Chug guitars, punk influence, breakdowns, and screamed vocals. There really shouldn't be any debate. Their "mid-career" was more or less metalcore with groove metal influence. City of evil was basically hard rock/metal and their new album the same. A7X have never been nor ever will be Nu metal. If I can't even hear the bassline in their songs it's not nu-metal. Christ every time a metal bands begins to get popular someone has to go and drop the word "nu". It's stupidity is what it is. I'm not going to even comment on the power metal tag. That's basically just unquestionably wrong. Anyone with a basic knowledge of heavy metal knows this. So I'm changing the tags to something more appropriate: Metalcore Hard rock Groove metal

Eve Not Adam

It says that one of the songs is in refernece to Adam eating the apple.... it was Eve who ate the apple. Thats going to bug me forever as long as that stays there. SamJamGoose (talk) 20:55, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

It's still there. They both ate from the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, which was not mentioned to be an apple. If you don't take my word for it, check the Bible. 129.137.159.241 (talk) 15:24, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

i guess both of you are talking about the lyrics to The Wicked End? it goes, " Dust the apple off, savor each bite, [and] deep inside you adam was right". it seems to be saying to rejoice in your wicked actions even though you know its wrong. i guess its in the prospective of Eve —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.182.144.23 (talk) 06:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Ex-Members and Logo

Just a note. I don't know much about this band at all. I came to this page for two reasons... One, I wanted to find out what happened to the girl who used to be in the band, and Two, to see if there was any information on the "winged skull" logo that is tattooed onto the bodies of hundreds of fans. Can't see mention of either. 80.42.227.177 (talk) 12:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I never thought about the Death Bat up to this point, that should really be in here, and as far as the girl goes, she wasn't a member of the band, she is Valary Di Benedetto and she used to be the manager and she only screamed on one song The Art Of Subconscious Illusion. Well she also does the scream at the beginning of Scream. NTurner —Preceding unsigned comment added by NTurner42 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Valary is M. Shadow's fiance, she is also in the video seize the day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.182.144.23 (talk) 06:42, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

GENRE

Their genres are:

• Metalcore
• Post-hardcore (early)
• Hard rock (later)

If anyone disagrees, just say so here. --↑ɻ⅞θʉɭђɥл₮₴Ṝ 23:49, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I disagree, they definitely used a form of heavy metal on City of Evil, as well as to a degree on Avenged Sevenfold. James25402 (talk) 10:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

While I don't personally feel they qualify as heavy metal overall, I will for one acknowledge that City of Evil had enough of a metal influence to warrant mentioning it in the info box. Metalcore doesn't fit, because not everything that in -some- way blends metal and hardcore is metalcore. Sludge metal bands often blend the two, yet they're not classed as metalcore. Personally, I'd say "post-hardcore" and some kind of "rock" tag are suitable, as is a basic "heavy metal" tag to go with their later works, I suppose. Prophaniti (talk) 17:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I would say their Genres are Metalcore, Heavy Metal, and Hard Rock. On the first two albums they were Metalcore, before that they were a Hardcore Punk band, on City of Evil they made half the songs Speed Metal and half the songs more Heavy Metal. The Self-Titled album was Hard Rock with Critical Acclaim being Heavy Metal and showing some symptoms of Nu-Metal. They are not and never were Post-Hardcore! Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 12:56, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

matt wendt

who the hell is matt wendt? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.95.140.215 (talk) 01:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Matt Wendt was Avenged Sevenfold's original bassist, he only recorded on the early demos though. NTurner42 —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Jef?

Why are Bat Country, Beast And The Harlot and other single cited as "Jef Country", "Jef And The Harlot" and such? I'm reverting it back to normal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.48.246.9 (talk) 21:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Someone was vandalising! Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 12:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Discography: Diamonds in the Rough

The link for Diamonds in the Rough in the Discography section of the Avenged Sevenfold page directs to the professional wrestling stable "The Diamonds in the Rough." I don't think it should be leading there...I'm just saying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bspinebuster (talk • contribs) 01:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Sleze?

Who called a7x Sleze metal? removing —Preceding unsigned comment added by A7xTheRev (talk • contribs) 20:36, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Why would anyone think of such a label!Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 12:47, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Credited for renewing interest in hard rock/heavy metal?

They are highly credited for bringing the traditional hard rock/heavy metal sound (that bands like Guns N' Roses and Metallica created) back to the public eye.

Would someone care to back this statement up with a citation? As far as I can see, a great deal of people still don't like the band due to their metalcore past and the fact they are pretty mainstream for a metal band, while a great deal of the band's detractors still believe the band have nothing to do with traditional heavy metal. I like the band, but it seems that a statement like this cannot go unsupported.

Also, how exactly did Guns N' Roses and Metallica create the (or even A) traditional hard rock/heavy metal sound? Surely that would be bands like Deep Purple, AC/DC, Thin Lizzy, Black Sabbath... Making unsubstanstiated claims like this make the article look weaker. Metallica were never a traditional hard rock/heavy metal band, even though their sound from the early-late 90s resembled this style more than anything else. While they were closer to heavy metal than anything else, their form of heavy metal had more to do with slowed down thrash metal riffs than actual heavy metal. Their supposed 'hard rock' also had a great deal of influence from alternative music. James25402 (talk) 19:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Someone said they were pop rock. That would give them the same genre as the Jonas Brothers. They sound totally different so I changed the sentence stating that they were. Please don't vandalise the page like that! Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 12:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Johnny christ

Johnny Seward Aka: Johnny christ is the 4th bassist of avenged Sevenfold He has been with them from 2001-pressent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.227.37 (talk) 23:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Why isn't there a Johnny Christ page?

Every band member has a wikipedia page but Johnny. Am i the only person that things that is dumb? Haha. i think he should have one :) Thankyouuu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.29.121.86 (talk) 00:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah! Who The heck deleted it!There was one!Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 12:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I just had to fix the band members which someone completely vandalised. Don't vandalise! Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 13:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, why are their 'stage names' being used as the band member names? Unless they have legally changed their names in a court of law, their names need to be listed on Wikipedia as their given names, the names they were born with. These fake stage names might be just great, and fans or not, it doesn't matter, you shouldn't put fake names up there, they need to be their actual legal names. I'll be making this change later, but I'm hoping one of you who works on this page a lot will do the right thing.

Just so you know, most of them have legally Changed their names! Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 16:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Back to the first post, why does Johnny not have a page??? He's a member of the band and he plays bass, therefore he is very nessecary... right? 67.142.161.28 (talk) 03:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

when are avenged sevenfold back in england

Some say Febuary but its inconclusive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slayne66 (talk • contribs) 02:28, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Diamonds in the Rough

Why hasn't anyone put the diamonds in the rough on the discography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddr-freak101 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC) It was but someone removed it! BlueGoat (talk) 13:43, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Dick Charlotte —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.114.160.199 (talk) 06:44, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Bassist Johnny Christ

He is the third bassist, unless I'm mistaken. Not the fourth, which it is listed under the Inception category under history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antmanx24 (talk • contribs) 18:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Recent Single

{{editsemiprotected}} In the single's section,a single should be added. Avenged Sevenfold has come out with a recent single titled "Crossroads"

 Done Please consider the benifits registering an account. Best, HiDrNick! 20:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

New album planned

When Avenged Sevenfold recently played at my college, UCF, they announced that they'd be taking time off in the future to work on their next studio album. Should this be in the article? I don't have any solid sources, just what M Shadows said on stage that night. --CanesOL79 (talk) 08:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

It should not, because hearsay is not a solid reference by Wikipedia's standards. PhoenixAscendant (talk) 03:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)