Talk:Alan Scott

Article name

Why don't we just title this "Green Lantern (Golden Age)"? It would be easier to search for in the database, especially for those who might not know who Alan Scott is.

I think "Alan Scott" is fine. This is why we have a section called "Biographies of the Major Green Lanterns" in "Green Lantern" article. Lesfer ☎ 13:15, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Still, it's rather confusing. The title works under the assumption that the character is most recognized by his secret identity (like, say, Guy Gardner). Solely titling it "Alan Scott" makes it hard to find. In comparison, all the articles related to Starman have modifiers at the end to indicate the articles are still talking about characters who bore the mantle of Starman. Something along the lines of "Green Lantern (Alan Scott)" or "Green Lantern (Golden Age)" would be more effective. WesleyDodds 22:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Wesley, per your above request, I've created a redirect under the title you requested that will point here. NetK 04:04, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Wives

can we get a section here regarding Alan Scott's two wives?ThuranX 02:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

We already have Alan Scott > Progeny. —Lesfer ^(talk/@) 03:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Zero Hour

Go back and re-read Zero Hour - Alan had already been rejuvenated to a youthful appearance before the JSA slaughter, and it was the Starheart that protected him from Extant's attempt to age him to his true age. I would like to correct that part of the article if no one objects. 12.162.189.80 19:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

If it's a correction, by all means. CovenantD 19:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Railroad Engineer?

Why do so MANY people keep making that mistake? Alan Scott was a CIVIL Engineer (he designed the bridge that was blown up), not a railroad engineer. He was on the train as a courtesy for a test run - he was not part of the train's normal crew.

Just pick up Golden Age Green Lantern Archives #1 and read the first story (Alan's origin). You'll see.

Maven

Lead image

The Alex Ross painting, while certainly prettier, lacks the information of the All-American cover, which shows Green Lantern's full head-to-toe costume on the first issue he appeared in. The Ross painting lacks any identifying context to tell the reader its source and significance for the character. This not only makes for a poor choice for illustrating an informative article, but undercuts the fair use rationale—the Ross painting is more decorative than informative. Postdlf 03:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

This is not about which image is prettier. Is about having a current image of the character in the SHB. I'm sorry, but all this thing about "painting lacks any identifying context to tell the reader its source and significance for the character" is nothing but blah-blah-blah and POV. Ross' image portraits the current Alan Scott, period. This is fact and is also what is supposed to be in the SHB. Note that I haven't removed the All-American Comics cover. —Lesfer ^(talk/@) 05:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

1. It doesn't represent "the current Alan Scott, period". Amongst other things, he's lost an eye OYL.
2. Alex Ross/other painted art isn't representative in 90%+ of comics-related articles. - SoM 07:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

That's a good point, SoM. Does anyone have a good 52/OYL image of GL with his one eye? Preferably glowing, cause that's damn cool and I'm apparently 6 this morning. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 13:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

1. You're right about the lost eye. But I wonder what would be the "other things". Please, let me know. Oh, and he didn't lost his eye OYL, but during 52.
2. Right again about the 90%. But this particular article is among the remaining 10% as Ross' painting is the cover to JSA #77. —Lesfer ^(talk/@) 14:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

1. 1. 1. Quit the points of pedantry, huh? He turned up in OYL sans eye before the relevant issue of 52 came out
      2. Ummm... why does that make it in the "other 10%"? It's one painted image, and even if we throw in the whole of Ross' painted Alan Scotts (including Kingdom Come, although the GL there was never IDed as Alan Scott even in Ross' endnotes. Only the Rossless sequel gave the KC GL an ID) - hell, throw in all the painted Alan Scotts by anyone published in/on a DC Comic - you're still at a tiny % of the pen/ink images of Alan Scott. - SoM 09:27, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Because this particular painting is not simply fan-art, but the cover to JSA #77. —Lesfer ^(talk/@) 13:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Ross's image seems more representive of the character than some very old comiccover, imo. But it would be nice if someone could find a OYL pic of him. --DrBat 02:13, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Quit the points of pedantry, huh? He turned up in OYL sans eye before the relevant issue of 52 came out

True, but 52 chronologically takes place before OYL, and showed how Scott lost his eye. --DrBat 02:13, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

(Chronologically, he first appears without an eye in the "One Year Later" titles. Those who have been talking about it in this way have been using an out-of-universe perspective.) --Chris Griswold 00:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Why exactly is it best to have the "most current depiction" as the lead image? We're dealing with a character that was first published 65 years ago—how is the "most current" necessarily the most important and the most informative the character? Even within the fictional universe, he certainly wasn't lacking an eye most of his superhero "career." Not to mention the issue of how a painting is the most informative about how a comic book character is portrayed... And Lesfer, please explain why you considered it appropriate to mark a reversion of the image being discussed on this talk page as a minor change and not to provide any edit summary?[1] Postdlf 21:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Mystic Eye?

His missing eye is currently replaced by a green glowing orb that, due to its mystical origins and connection to Jade, allows him to track astral and mystical energy forms such as ghosts.

Where exactly is this from? It wasn't in the last issue of JSA or JSA Classified. --Basique 23:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, in JSA 83 he was seen with two eyes, but being One Year Later, we can suppose he was using a trick, but check issues 85 and 86.

• In JSA 85, after Jakeem Thunder calls the ghost of Jade for help. Jade goes away, visiting her wounded father
• In JSA 86, Alan wakes with his "green orb eye" explaining that "Jennie left me a connection to her ghost. Enough to see traces of the spirit world".

At the end of the story arc, JSA is temporarily disbanded. JSA Classified and Checkmate starts from the destruction of JSA Headquarters to the present, so, the green orb he shows in Checkmate is the one he acquired in JSA 85. DrTofu83 13:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Powers and Abilities

Could a section be added detailing all the characters's powers and abilities?

Cool I get you Tofu thanks! It shouldn't be a problem adding that section, but let Lesfer and CovenantD know I think they are the ones actually maintaining the page, I was just passing through.

Trivia-Kingdom Come

In the collection of Alex Ross' art, called "Mythology" says that the "Green Knight" or just plainly, that continuum's Green Lantern is Hal Jordan, not Alan Scott as it says in this article. Also it would make sense that it's Hal Jordan, because during the time difference between the regular continuum, the character's age, and Alan Scott's Daughter is in her mid to late thirties by the time of the series, so Alan would at least be 70 during Kingdom Come, also, Alex had it set up so each character has been replaced by their children, with exception to the JLA Regulars, Aquaman remains in his kingdom while Aqualad has taken over as Aquaman, Avia has replaced Big Barda and Scott Free, There is Captain Marvel Jr. (Now King Marvel), Mary Marvel (Now Lady Marvel), and they're Child, The Whiz, representing the Marvel family while Billy is working for Luthor, and since Starfire is dead and Red Robin (Dick Grayson) hasn't returned to crime fighting yet, his daughter Nightfire (a character Alex Ross has created when he was much younger and has wanted to introduce into the DC mainstream) has taken over; so it could be entirely probable that while Alan Scott is old and Retired, his Daughter Jade and his son Obsidion has taken over and carry on his legacy.

And look at the other non-superpowered characters, they're silver age and they look like they're about to retire.

- No way is that Hal Jordan. It is absolutely clear both from context and from his appearance that the Lantern is Alan. 74.114.147.235 00:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

-- Dude, it is so Hal, he would be in his mid fifties to mid sixties, his hair would have turned grey, and why else would his own daughter Jade be surprised at what he looks like without his mask, and as I said, Alan is probably in his mid to late seventies!

---If it is Hal, why are his energy constructs destroyed by wood? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.59.57.56 (talk) 15:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

--Mark Waid wanted it be Kyle Rayner; Alex Ross wanted it to be Hal Jordan. Since they couldn't agree, they just chose to make it Alan Scott. This has been mention before and is reinforced by Jade moving to protect him as well as Oliver Queen's wooden arrows being able to hurt him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.85.53 (talk) 18:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

---Just read The Kingdom. It's written by Mark Waid, who wrote Kingdom Come. It's the crossover of Kingdom Come. It introduces Gog, who is now being used in the mainstream continuity. And in this comic, which is the sequel to Kingdom Come, which is written by its writer as its sequel, Green Lantern explicitly, by name, identifies himself as Alan Scott, and it is shown that his satellite is weak against wood. Green Lantern is Alan Scott in the Kingdom Come storyline. Why else would he be embracing Jade at the end of the storyline? She's his DAUGHTER. 74.13.58.80 (talk) 01:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge Alternate versions of Green Lantern

• merge/nom - The section that was split from original article by an ambitious editor to form a new "Alternate versions" article for all the characters. This section was already limited, and does not need to be split off to form a stub article. It's a detriment to the original article, and at this point the alternate versions article does not need to exist. 66.109.248.114 21:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

• support merge - these should have never been split, especially w/o discussion. Characters like Gardner and Stewart were never THE Green Lantern, only A Green Lantern -- 69.182.73.240 05:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• support merge -- User:Redhead911 unilaterally created article without discussion with other editors, circumventing the consensus process. --Tenebrae 19:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Support merge - As noted above, the characters are not alternate versions Green Lantern, they are other characters who have used the name green lantern. And based on the page's current criteria, it would eventually duplicate Green Lantern. - jc37 21:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Support - As per above. Also, as with most of the resent bold splits (lots of alts and other media), this took what could be seen as a relevant section and made it into what comes close to a "Trivia only" article. - J Greb 22:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

• Merge - there is no reason for the alternate versions entry as they all (rightly) have their own articles and the main Green Lantern article already holds them all together. (Emperor 22:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC))

Discussion closed with consensus to merge. 66.109.248.114 23:29, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

The Starheart

There is an error in the article regarding the Starheart: this was not a Post-Crisis retcon, it was established in Green Lantern Vol. 2 #110 (November 1978) several years before Crisis on Infinite Earths. I'm thinking on writing an article covering the history of magic in the DC Universe that would cover the Starheart in more detail. -Wilfredo Martinez (talk) 16:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

B-Class Assesment required

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Green Lantern (Alan Scott)

This is a clear case of naming conventions, most common names. Although the character was briefly known as Sentinel, the most prevalent name, across multiple mediums is Green Lantern. The character has a 70 year history, and the a brief name change would be similar to calling Superman's page "Clark Kent" due to his months as Gangbuster. The most common name for the character across the span of the course of the character is Green Lantern. -Sharp962 (talk) 03:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC).