Wikipedia talk:GLAM

Wikipedia:GLAM getting started

I was going to draft an email to my university's archives after reading this blog post, but when I went to Wikipedia:GLAM getting started, there's really nothing on why an institution should collaborate with us – it's only about why the archivist, etc. in question should start editing... just thoughts for improvement. Does anyone have some good ideas to pitch to the archivist I'm going to contact as to why uploading digitized material to Commons would be more beneficial? Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 17:37, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Fremantle QR mapping

The Fremantle Society, a 40 year old community group in Western Australia, will start the huge project of QR mapping all the significant heritage buildings and sites of the city, planning to use WIKI as the source people will be directed to via their smart phones when zooming in on the QR code tiles attached to buildings.

This should be a great way for tourists to the city to find out all the relevant information, in a way creating a virtual tour guide to the city.

Roel Loopers ---- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roel loopers (talk • contribs) 08:15, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I'll leave a note about QRpedia on Roel's talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:36, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

(I'm working with Roel and the Freo Society on this.) We'll certainly be using QRpedia, it's totally brilliant!  :-) One thing I was wondering about was using the Wikipedia logo on the plaques. Is this okay? Do we need permission? I think (Roel, do you know more?) they might be stainless steel, so I'm not sure what the reproduction of the logo will be like. Oh, and the other thing is: can we create a page here for organising the list of articles that we want to use? And sort out the other bits and pieces? Thanks for your help! Sam Wilson 12:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words about QRpedia. We've been *cough* using the logo *cough* so far, with no problems (there's no free alternative that says, without text, "this links to Wikipedia"). For large projects like Monmouthpedia], clearance was obtained from the Foundation. You can create pages in the Wikipedia: namespace. See, for example Wikipedia:WikiProject QRpedia, and please feel free to use that project, or contact me, if you need help. And do sign up! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:18, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, we'll just go for it I reckon!  :-) I'll come and add a note to the wikiproject. Sam Wilson 01:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Actually, a QRpedia code with the text "From Wikipedia" (in plain text) is not only permissible, but just plain polite. I unofficially ran this by the WMF lawyers (but they only can officially advise the Foundation) and they didn't raise any objections. You can start a project page on Outreach such as [[1]]. I'll leave a detailed note at WT:QR. Smallbones (talk) 16:36, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Automated message link errors

I receive automated messages about GLAM events in the UK. The current message invites me to "a workshop and exhibition tour at the British Library on 10 September, and an exhibition tour at the British Museum on 13 September." However the internal links don't work. Axl ¤ [Talk] 18:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Conservation and Collection Care Proposal

I have recently submitted a new WikiProject proposal that ties-in very closely with GLAM. The proposed project is WikiProject Conservation and Collection Care which, if approved, will aim to create new articles, as well as to gather existing articles, concerning conservation and collection care at museums, libraries, historic locations, archives, and other relevant sites into a collaborative project. While, technically this group could be considered a subcategory of both WikiProject Museums and WikiProject Libraries, many of the relevant pages are not specific to one group or the other. For example, historic landmarks and houses are not necessarily included in either group. Additionally, the connections to the overall goal of the GLAM project are obvious. I am therefore writing to your group to inform you of my decision to request a seperate group, as well as to inquire if a collaboration might be an option. Given the obvious close connection between the two projects, and my own inexperience with starting a WikiProject, I am open to suggestions, collaborations, and advice from a well-established group such as your own. Thank you.- AngelKelley (talk) 23:52, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

GLAM/GibraltarpediA up for deletion

Strangely, nobody seems to have felt it important to inform the larger project that Wikipedia:GLAM/GibraltarpediA has been nominated for deletion. The discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:GLAM/GibraltarpediA. Ryan Vesey 14:31, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Collections Care

Please see the new WikiProject Wikipedia:WikiProject Collections Care. I would have added a link to it on Wikipedia:GLAM or one of its subpages, but I am not sure of the best place for it.
—Wavelength (talk) 15:15, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I'm one of the people heading up Wikipedia:WikiProject Collections Care and as I'm sure you noticed, it is definitely a work in progress. I had posted something here a little while back about the proposal for the project, although the name then was Conservation and Collections Care. In any event, I would love to collaborate with members of GLAM on this project or even just receive feedback as the project progresses. I hope to hear from you all in the future. AngelKelley (talk) 18:17, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Residence at Ladd Observatory, Brown University

I'm organizing a residence at Brown University's Ladd Observatory in Providence, Rhode Island. A draft of the project description is at Outreach:Wikipedian in Residence/Ladd Observatory. Any feedback, suggestions or help spreading the word would be greatly appreciated. (cross posted to Commons talk:GLAM) --mikeu ^talk 14:50, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Accession numbers

I've just added accession numbers, in the form of a reference, to Shakes versus Shav, which mentions four objects at Staffordshire County Museum (one of the group where I'm currently Wikipedian in residence). Do GLAM folk thank that kind of addition useful? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:49, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedian in Residence at the Józef Piłsudski Institute of America, NY

I thought you'd like to know a new position has appeared. Please see the announcement at here for details.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 17:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

How to solicit from cultural institutions, and what to solicit for.

Forgive me, this is my first time visiting this project, so I may be missing the obvious, but I have some questions. I realize that this project is geared towards encouraging people directly involved in a cultural institution, but what are the methods of attracting their attention? For example, in my province of my country, there are about 200 museums listed on the relevant Wikipedia page. Assuming they all have content suitable for including in Wikipedia, I have two questions:

What content are we asking institutions to give us? How are we going to convince them to give us that content?

If the idea is to ask cultural institutions to write articles for us, I do not think it will be met with great success. I think the goal is to remove the barrier between us (article writers) and the cultural institutions (content holders), and create as many simple and headache free methods for them to prove access to content for us. Other than someone at the institution posting a picture to commons or editing an article, what methods do they have to provide us with content?

Do we have a centralized list of cultural institutions that have been contacted, and the results thereof? I would hate to duplicate effort if someone has already made contact with contact an entity.

Are we attempting to solicit municipal, regional and federal governments to create open avenues for content to make their way to the wiki? That might go a bit beyond the current plans of this project, but it might be an avenue worth investigating. I would welcome any answers. --NickPenguin_(contribs) 00:14, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Moved to a village pump discussion due to low page views here. --NickPenguin_(contribs) 15:45, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I've dabbed your link, as the discussion is now archived. Unfortunately, it was hijacked by trolls partisan commenters. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:50, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedian in Residence at The New Art Gallery Walsall

I am pleased to announce that I have just been appointed Wikipedian in Residence at The New Art Gallery Walsall. We'll be running a series of public events, to which all are invited. Details on the project page Wikipedia:GLAM/NAGW. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:14, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

GLAM organization work

Greetings, fellow GLAM folk. I have been working on an overhaul of GLAM-related content here at English Wikipedia. Please read the following thoughts, which I have broken into sections for easier discussion:

• I created the categories Wikipedia GLAM by country and Wikipedia GLAM collaborations by institution. Currently, subcategories of the country category include Category:Wikipedia GLAM in India and Category:Wikipedia GLAM in the United States. The category for institutions can contain subcategories for each of the collaborations that have taken place on Wikipedia. These subcategories should be named consistently, such as "Wikipedia-X Institution collaboration" and should be categorized in the institution parent category as well as the category for the institution itself, if one exists (see Category:Wikipedia-Smithsonian Institution collaboration for example). We might also consider adding the country category for GLAM, such as "Wikipedia GLAM in the United States" for the Smithsonian category. Thoughts?

• Please take a look at the Category:Wikipedia GLAM in the United States category to make sure all pages are actually US-centric. I am specifically questioning the Bookshelf page, which seems more universal than just the United States. Perhaps this page should be moved to just Wikipedia:GLAM/Bookshelf--feel free to discuss on the page's associated talk page.

• Also, I have been moving GLAM pages, changing abbreviations to reflect the full names of institutions. For example, "AAA" to "Archives of American Art". I am also creating categories for each collaboration, for example Category:Wikipedia-Archives of American Art collaboration or Category:Wikipedia-District of Columbia Public Library collaboration. Please feel free to create similar categories for other partnerships, or help move pages (be sure to include all subpages associated with the collaboration).

By creating categories for each collaboration, we can easily find related pages for each partnership. Categorizing partnerships and pages for each nation will gauge activity within any particular country (again, here I go with metrics...) and also allow residents of a country to find related pages and resources. I hope this helps the project, and please let me know your thoughts, questions or concerns. Much more work remains (especially page moving), but these changes should result in a much more structured, organized project over time. Thank you. --Another Believer _(Talk) 23:01, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Update: I have also created categories for the UK, France, Norway, Israel and Spain. --Another Believer _(Talk) 17:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

UK link

The "find local contacts" link for the UK goes to http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cultural_partnerships - that's a page on the UK chapter wiki, about the chapter's GLAM collaborations, but that excludes other UK collaborations in which the chapter is not involved, such as my residencies at Staffordshire Archives and Heritage Service, Queen Street Mill and The New Art Gallery Walsall. How can we ensure that such initiatives are not excluded? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:44, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

You would probably want to create a local UK GLAM page (including both chapter and non-chapter initiatives) to which that link could be directed instead. Ideally such a page would be created for all participating countries. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

RfC on new library search tool for Wikipedia

We have a new tool, Forward to Libraries, which helps readers find books at their local library related to the articles they are reading. There is an RfC at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Linking subjects to books at your local library (Forward to Libraries) to determine how this tool should be used on Wikipedia. Users that are interested may wish to comment there. 64.40.54.57 (talk) 00:45, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:WikiProject Library of Congress

Wikipedia:WikiProject Library of Congress, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Library of Congress and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:WikiProject Library of Congress during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Kumioko (talk) 21:53, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

US GLAM projects and WikiProject US

Greetings all, I'm not sure who is actively watching this page but I would like to add the rest of the US related GLAM projects to the Joint projects list of WikiProject US unless someone here has a problem with doing that. I don't want to change anything with the projects or replace the projects banners. I just want to add these as supported joint projects like was done with Archives of American Art, SI, SIA and a couple others. If you want to see an example please look at how the Smithsonian Institution or Archives of American Art projects are supported. Please let me know if you have any questions. Kumioko (talk) 19:49, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Is there any way that Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads could be added to this list at all? I joined this project because I thought I could get more sources to use on editing Interstate, U.S. Highway, and state route articles, among others. Thanks. Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 20:07, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Not likely. To state this as delicately as I can, some of the members of the US roads project can be very sensitive toward other projects. They take it very offensively to have their project approached for collaborations and have, in the past, been very vocal and harsh towards users who have suggested collaborating. I would supect that some of the GLAM projects would be happy to look for information though. NARA is one that comes to mind but I don't know if there are any Wikipedians in residence there at the moment. Kumioko (talk) 20:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't understand what the problem could be. Could you give me a link to the "NARA" project? Thank you for trying to help (and for being so prompt in replying). Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 20:18, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Here is a link to the NARA project: Wikipedia:GLAM/National Archives and Records Administration. Is there something you are looking for specifically? Kumioko (talk) 20:31, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Not exactly. Georgia just doesn't seem to have much resources for roads, including GDOT's website. I just was wondering if anything could be found, since I'm not good at research. Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 20:43, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh ok, well I would suggest maybe leaving a note on the Georgia WikiProject. That might help. If you were to start a working list maybe updating some of the sections under Wikipedia:WikiProject Georgia (U.S. state)/to do that might help some too. You could also try leaving a note at US roads, they are pretty active so they might help. Kumioko (talk) 23:04, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Then they need to be gently reminded that this is a collaborative project, escalating to ANI or RfC if neccessary. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:47, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Easier said than done I'm afraid. Kumioko (talk) 20:50, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Since there were no objections so far I added the rest of the US related GLAM projects to the Joint supported projects list of WPUS here except for the Cross border project between US and Mexico and the World Digital library one. I think these have too much multinational content to be appropriate to add the the WPUS supported projects list. I have already added some of these to the WPUS template but I will work on getting the rest added in the next few days. Kumioko (talk) 17:19, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Suggestion to remove all GLAM projects from the WPUS template

A user that is not affiliated to GLAM or WikiProject United States has started a discussion at Template talk:WikiProject United States#Suggestion to remove GLAM projects from WPUS template to remove all of the GLAM projects from the WPUS template. Since the user notified WikiProject United States but not this one I wanted to let you know. Kumioko (talk) 16:56, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Based on the discussion mentioned above I have removed all the GLAM projects from the WikiProject United States template and from the joint projects list of WikiProject United States. I have removed all the appropriate project entries from the WPUS template except the Library of Congress. That will be done in the next couple days. Kumioko (talk) 02:59, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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WiR GLAM Info booklet

User:OR drohowa and I were discussing the value in composing a relatively standardised information booklet for GLAM employees and volunteers. As WiRs we have both noticed that having a condensed, tangible source of information is something which many other WiRs have developed for their institution, and we thought that it might therefore be useful to develop one that was not affiliated with any organisation and ideally had input from a number of different GLAM representatives and Wikimedians. We also thought that making such a document more visible on Wikipedia itself, or making the GLAM:Wiki space more visible, might help introduce Wikimedians to the potential mistakes that GLAM reps might make when first contributing, and encourage them to offer assistance rather than reverting any COIs or non-neutral contributions.

At the moment, I have developed an information booklet for the National Library of Scotland's collaboration with Wikimedia UK, and I have adapted this booklet to remove any specific information or references to the Library. Unfortunately, I can't upload an easily editable file (i.e. txt or .doc or .docx) to any Wikimedia platform that I am aware of, and at about 30+ pages I feel that it is somewhat too long to translate into Wiki syntax. Eventually I'd love to transfer some of the more relevant information into the Contribute section or a similar Wikipedia section, but right now the aim is to develop a downloadable PDF file that future or current WiRs and other ambassadors and Wikimedians can download for GLAM training events or to help persuade GLAM organisations to collaborate with Wikimedia.

Input and thoughts on the most efficient way to do this, or other, similar ideas are much appreciated! The non-affiliated PDF file of the booklet I've created is available on commons as well:

Information booklet designed to be distributed to GLAM employees and volunteers in both digital and print formats as part of training events. Covers introduction to Wikimedia's mission, basic editing, open licensing, Wikimedia Commons, as well as some GLAM-Wiki specific information and more detailed advice in the appendix.Contributions and revisions very welcome!

ACrockford (talk) 16:05, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Update: I have uploaded an editable version of the booklet to Google Drive and made it publicly available - I welcome any/everyone to contribute and edit as they see fit! ACrockford (talk) 11:26, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

GLAM-Wiki Section in Manual of Style?

I am interested in creating manuals of style for institutional pages, library entries, and archival/museum collections entries to aid the GLAM-Wiki initiative. Perhaps they could even be written under a section title GLAM-Wiki in the Manual of Style or the Visual arts Manual of style. Or do people think that it would be better if another article titled something like Wikipedia:Manual of Style/GLAM was created to house these kinds of GLAM-specific templates, and that could be referred to in GLAM learning resources. Thoughts? Conversation can also be continued at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Visual arts#GLAM-Wiki Section OR drohowa (talk) 16:49, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I would glad to help build a new Wikipedia:Manual of Style/GLAM, or perhaps to begin by fleshing out some of these notions in the existing related guideline pages (and glad to see this conversation getting off the ground!).--Pharos (talk) 02:18, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd be interested too, although I think we need more people and would like to see an outline before people start writing in detail. -- kosboot (talk) 03:07, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I wonder whether the best way to approach this would be for someone to start a draft in their userspace and share the link so we can all work on it and build it up that way? I think that it is an excellent idea to have a Wikipedia:Manual of Style/GLAM article that is clearly labelled for GLAM representatives and volunteers and which would be visible to non-GLAMWiki contributors as well. I'm happy to start up a draft page in my userspace if this sounds like a good plan, although it's quite a daunting start so I'm not sure where I would begin other than by transplanting some of the guidelines from Wikipedia:GLAM pages. ACrockford (talk) 16:06, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Or perhaps it could be started on a subpage of the GLAM pages. I think an initial step would be to define the reasons and scope for a MOS. -- kosboot (talk) 16:35, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I like the idea of starting with the reasons and scope. Should we do this here, or perhaps I could make a page called Wikipedia:GLAM/MOS/Draft that we could work from? OR drohowa (talk) 14:15, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

To start, I think a summary of possible topics for such a section should be presented here in this talk section, to see what the project would involve. Then editors can decide whether it is worth proceeding with it and how. --Bob K31416 (talk) 17:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Gotcha! Here is my draft of Justifications for GLAM Manual of Style OR drohowa (talk) 18:40, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

1. The GLAM-Wiki movement is rapidly growing and more GLAM professionals are searching for resources to help guide them in adopting editing policies everyday.
2. There are dozens of GLAM-Wiki resources dispersed throughout Wikipedia, with similar, overlapping content. By synchronizing these resources, there could be more understanding and common language within the GLAM community.
3. Though there are dozens of GLAM-Wiki resources, new Wikipedians-in-Residence often still feel the need to generate more guides because there is no definitive set.
4. The Manual of Style already includes information and templates that speak to the GLAM-community, but it would be helpful for GLAM editors and Wikipedians-in-Residence if they were aggregated together. See: Wikipedia:Manual of Style and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts.
5. GLAMs have a lot of documents and artifacts, such as museum collections, catalogs, finding aids, and archival materials, that can be difficult to put into the current templates provided, and questions about these materials are extremely common among GLAM professional Wikipedians, especially in the early days of their involvement with GLAM-Wiki.
6. Adding GLAM content to the manual of style would help WiRs and GLAM editors resolve disputes by having particular pieces of MOS code to cite on talk pages
7. It would be helpful for private, non-GLAM editors to have a GLAM manual of style so that they could help monitor and regulate GLAM editing and watch out for COI
8. GLAM-Wiki editors have a unique set of conflict of interest concerns that could be laid out in the Manual of Style and/or a page addressing those concerns could be linked to in the MOS.

The closest things we have now are: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts#Museums and collections, red links in outreach:GLAM/Model projects, and a whole lot of different learning resources in the GLAM Bookshelf, as well as some resources floating on user pages, GLAM pages, etc. OR drohowa (talk) 18:52, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks but I was looking for a list of topics, rather than a list of justifications. For example, from your link Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts#Museums and collections would come the following entry in a list of possible topics.

1. Describing location and ownership of works that are in museums and collections.

--Bob K31416 (talk) 19:11, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

IDEAS: GLAM Manual of Style Sections to Include:

Ok, in response to your request, here's a preliminary list. Some of the sections in this list are already on the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts page or the Wikipedia:Manual of Style page, but it would be nice to see these sections either be adapted to specifically suit GLAMs, or, the idea that I like best, to draw from these sections to create a GLAM-page in the MOS. See MOS directory: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Contents

1. Describing location and ownership of works that are in museums and collections. (include/revise entry in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts#Museums and collections
2. GLAM Institution Pages- adding department, archive and institutional library sections
3. Creating ‘highlights of the collection’ sections
4. Lists of collection items
5. Galleries of Images on institution pages (include/revise entry in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts#Galleries
6. Lists of Exhibitions on institution page
7. Articles about exhibitions
8. Citing Museum catalogs and digitized collections
9. Citing Internal Documents and Museum publications
10. COI concerns for GLAM-Editors (when WiR is present/ when WiR is not present)
11. Creating categories for your institution and its collections
12. Wikipedia:GLAM organizational pages- when to create
13. Uploading images from your institution into Wikimedia Commons
14. Batch uploading/large volume uploading (include/revise entry in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts#Uploading
15. Using infoboxes and templates (include/revise entry in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts#Using infoboxes and templates
16. List of curators (history)
17. Board of Trustees list (notability guidelines)

OR drohowa (talk) 20:36, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. That's what I was requesting. It looks like too much for a section in MOS, so creating a subpage of MOS might be considered. However, after the subpage is created, a section in MOS might be considered for creation that is a summary of the subpage. --Bob K31416 (talk) 23:55, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Agreed - this looks like a fantastic outline for a GLAM MOS subpage, and the material/model could also be included in the GLAM namespace to enhance and better present the existing materials that OR drohowa described above (Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts#Museums and collections, red links in outreach:GLAM/Model projects, learning resources in GLAM Bookshelf, resources on user pages and GLAM pages, etc). On a slightly related note, I've uploaded the GLAMWiki Information Booklet into an open, editable document which is publicly available on Google Drive, and encourage any/everyone to contribute and edit it as they see fit; perhaps as relevant material is being added to the GLAM MOS, it could also be drafted into the info booklet. ACrockford (talk) 10:54, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

• What is now Wikipedia:GLAM/Contribute, which is supposed to be the starting point for GLAM pros, used to be under another name & much longer (and better imo), with stuff covering many of these issues. I think the list above is a good starting-point (or restarting point), but stuff relevant to articles on institutions should be separated from other stuff - these pages are a good deal more sensitive for COI. Johnbod (talk) 11:27, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I think that Wikipedia:GLAM/Contribute is a good resource in a way as a starting point (although I would wonder whether this kind of more simplified page is needed when there's also the Beginner's Guide available. But I would agree that there needs to be a separate approach to articles on institutions; within the context of a GLAM MoS I wonder whether that would be better placed under a larger COI category? I've found that aside from workload, COI concerns have been the most significant sticking point for curators and librarians I've dealt with, so I think that this section in particular needs to be extremely clear. ACrockford (talk) 12:10, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I've now found it I think - Wikipedia:GLAM/Getting started - which nothing much seems to link to. There's still good stuff here, & less of a bullet-point style. I remember it being even longer though. Johnbod (talk) 12:18, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I remember this page! Came across it by chance and then lost it. I think that the MoS either should incorporate or build on this material, perhaps with some more specific information as well. Also will try and link this up a bit better for the time being. ACrockford (talk) 13:40, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Below is a list all the places we've mentioned as spots that serve as GLAM beginner guides that can possibly be compiled and/or benefited by a GLAM/MOS. My original reason for proposing working on a GLAM section in the MOS of style was because there are so many of these beginner guides on GLAM pages that all have good but slightly different information- that things seem a bit disorganized and it's hard referring interested people to a complete page. The current GLAM beginner guides that we have mentioned are listed. Are there others I'm forgetting?

1. Wikipedia:GLAM/Contribute - project guide (v. basic) John, do you have any sense of why the page you mentioned that was similar to this and longer/under another name was deleted?
2. Wikipedia:GLAM/BeginnersGuide - basic editing guide
3. Wikipedia:GLAM/Getting started
4. outreach:GLAM/Get started - I'm not sure what the difference between this page and the GLAM pages on Wikipedia are but its pages seem a lot less 'fleshed out' than the Wikipedia:GLAM pages.

Compiling these pages so they're consistent is a good place to start. I personally feel that it would be easier if the info on the contribute page was added to the beginner's guide, and then was deleted. Thoughts on all these beginner guides? I also like Bob's idea of creating a subpage of the MOS for GLAM-specific information, especially information about editing institution pages. I think this is a sound idea, but I also would like more input from more of the GLAM Wiki community. I've started a userspace page to draft the MOS/GLAM subpage User:OR drohowa/sandbox/MOSdraft. Please contribute if you'd like to help write this, and refer other GLAM participants to this conversation so we can get more people involved. OR drohowa (talk) 14:48, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

• I have been around since day one of these discussions around GLAM guides, and have a lot of reasons for the way things are organized now. However, I no longer have the time to maintain these pages, so I can't really help if my work is wiped out. This conversation seems to be going in that direction. That said, I totally am in agreement about a GLAM:MOS, I just don't think that the current structure of the GLAM:US Consortium page, the GLAM:Contribute page, and the GLAM: Contacts page, which myself an others have worked very hard on, need to be replaced. I think there's a good reason to have both.

I first want to make sure that what you're looking at in the GLAM:Contribute page is actually the full page -- there are many "show" tabs that list many more details as GLAM professionals work through the questions. I was an educator in my past life and I spent many hours developing this page in a way that would not be overwhelming, and that would allow GLAM professionals to go step by step in understanding what works best for them. If you have feedback about how these "show" buttons could be made more clear, I'd definitely appreciate it. I would, however, hope that it wasn't just deleted. It was decided at multiple GLAMcamps over the years that the prior "Getting started" page was one long narrative that no one would actually read. It used to be even longer but a few of us took some of the sections out and made them into sub pages, since the nuance of the guides was becoming too detailed to have all on one page. I also was involved in creating the FAQ's and Guides that are linked off from the Getting Started page, because we were trying to make it more digestible. Again, I know that we're all working to improve the documentation here. But I'd hope that there could be some discussion before things are just deleted.

I agree and see the need for more resources for Wikipedians in Residence, however I will point out that the Wikipedian in Residence page on Outreach is very digestible and a great resource, especially for GLAM professionals looking to understand what a WIR does. If there is a separate guide for Wikipedians in Residence themselves, that may be good. But I wouldn't remove what already exists.

All of that said, again, I'm absolutely thrilled with the prospect of a GLAM:MOS. We absolutely need one and I love the prospect of there being established standards. Can we just please do this in addition to the resources that already exist, rather than deleting them? In particular, we had a very specific purpose for the Contribute page. I present about it everywhere I go, and GLAM professionals always tell me that it was a great place to start. It'd essentially make me a liar to all of those I've presented at in the past (including last weekend to 50 archivists), if it suddenly doesn't exist.

Thank you for considering the past work of others. Your continued, great work in GLAM really is truly appreciated. LoriLee (talk) 20:43, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

'Going dark' and impact on GLAM projects?

A colleague of mine at the National Library of Scotland sent me an interesting conversation regarding this and other articles on hidden traffic that took place on a Museums Computer Group mailing list. She sent it to me because there was a specific mention of whether or not the proposed change to https for all all Wikipedia users would impact on GLAM projects' ability to monitor impact via web statistics, and whether this would in turn impact the desire for GLAM organisations to contribute as extensively. I wasn't entirely sure how to respond, as I don't really recall seeing anyone discussing it on the GLAMWiki mailing list. That said, the announcement seems to have come early in my residency when I was still very much getting settled, so it's possible that I missed out. Would appreciate any thoughts - might take this to the mailing list as well if there's interest. ACrockford (talk) 14:55, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Here's the Wikipedia page on https- Though I don't think this page really answers your question. OR drohowa (talk) 15:40, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! It doesn't really, unfortunately, so I think I might pose the question to some various mailing lists this week, at risk of exposing my technological ignorance. ACrockford (talk) 11:57, 30 September 2013 (UTC)