User talk:Flyer22 Frozen

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Welcome to my talk page. I have been editing Wikipedia since 2007. If you want to know more about me, see my user page. My work on Wikipedia, like a lot of others, has been complimented and criticized. And in March 2012, I was blocked; see the block cases. It's during that first block case that I learned a lot about WP:Assume good faith and who you can count on to be there for you; that experience has made me more acrimonious towards Wikipedia, and this feeling was intensified with my second block case (again, refer to the block cases link). Still, I believe that it's best that I help this site, seeing as many people come here for information (Wikipedia is almost always ranking highest in search engines, and that type of thing is always going to bring in a lot of readers) and a lot of those people trust what they read here. So it's my job to make sure that any topic I am heavily editing is as accurate as possible. Especially see User:Flyer22#Main type of editing style for why what you consider neutral, or what you consider needed with regard to images, likely differs from my view; don't know about you, but I'm following Wikipedia policies and/or guidelines in that regard. If you have any questions, compliments or criticism concerning my Wikipedia work, feel free to leave me a message here on my talk page or email me. If you leave me a message here, I will usually reply here.

Archive

• Archive 1 (from May 8, 2007 - June 20, 2007)
• Archive 2 (from June 24, 2007 - November 3, 2007
• Archive 3 (from December 20, 2007 - November 4, 2008)
• Archive 4 (from November 10, 2008 - June 6, 2009)
• Archive 5 (from June 10, 2009 - October 9, 2009)
• Archive 6 (from October 9, 2009 - March/April 2010)
• Archive 7 (from April 2, 2010 - January 20, 2011)
• Archive 8 (from January 21, 2011 - July 27, 2011)
• Archive 9 (from July 27, 2011 - March 20, 2012 )
• Archive 10/block cases (from March 21, 2012 - July 24, 2012, for block case 1; December 12, 2012 - December 19, 2012, and to December 24 concerning extra comments, for block case 2; 2014 for block case 3)
• Archive 10 in general (April 25, 2012- August 31, 2012)
• Archive 11 (September 4, 2012 - April 3, 2013)
• Archive 12 (April 5, 2013 - September 10, 2013)
• Archive 13 (September 14, 2013 - December 29, 2013)
• Archive 14 (December 30, 2013 - May 5, 2014)
• Archive 15 (May 6, 2014 - May 27, 2014)
• Archive 16 (May 29, 2014 - September 21, 2014)
• Archive 17 (September 20, 2014 - December 30, 2014 )
• Archive 18 (December 31, 2014 - April 3, 2015 )
• Archive 19 (April 3, 2015 - July 14, 2015; this archive has a lot of Cali11298 material, especially WP:Sockpuppeting material)

Todd Manning

Hi Fly, I know we haven't spoken for a while, but I have been keeping an eye on your always entertaining talk page, so I know you've been busy this summer. Things have been busy with me as well. I wish that I had more time for article development; it seems that all I've been doing is maintaining existing articles and community stuff. Good work on your sock puppet diligence.

I would like to, though, move forward with Todd's article. To sum up, you wanted to create a storyline section--something I didn't think was entirely necessary, but out of respect for your knowledge of all things Todd, I acquiesced and agreed. I still feel the same, and was waiting to improve the lead until you completed a storyline section. As I've said, I think that the article, in its current state, is ready to submit to FAC. I'm willing to wait a little longer, but not much. Are you still committed to writing a storyline section? If so, do you think you can complete it in the next month, like mid-August? If not, I'll go ahead and improve the lead, then submit it, and take the lead for dealing with the reviews.

I'm a little sorry that I told you to watch The Flash based on Howarth's appearances. I doubt that his character will be back, alas. It was nice seeing him on the show for a while. With Tony Geary leaving GH this summer, Howarth has been rare there as well. Ah well. ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 03:05, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Christine (Figureskatingfan), I've been meaning to get back to you on the Todd Manning article. Sorry for the wait. As you know, I am very lazy these days when it comes to Wikipedia articles I've set my mind on improving. Yes, I am still going to do the Storylines section and will be finished with it this month. As for the lead, I thought you were done with it. What more do you want to do with it? There are other parts of the article that need minor tweaking, but that can also be done during the WP:FA review.

As for The Flash, I'm glad that you and Bignole recommended it to me; as you can see, it's currently listed on my user page as one of my recent favorite television shows. I also talked with Bignole about the season finale. Flyer22 (talk) 05:09, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

I was done, but I was waiting for you to include your storyline additions. I'll definitely look over the entire article before submitting it to FAC, especially the lead. I'm looking forward to what you include this month, thanks. I just looked at that conversation with Bignole; how fun. I love Tom Cavanagh, too, so I was also happy to hear that he'll be back. Do you watch Arrow, too? In some ways, I like The Flash better. Although my husband says I like Arrow because it's full of hunky men engaging in what's basically sword fighting. Our joke is that if a TV show or movie, no matter how bad it is, has ships (space or sailing), he's all in, and if it has swordfighting, I'm in. But anyway, I digress. Glad to reconnect with you again, pal. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:26, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Christine. And, no, I don't watch Arrow; I might someday. Flyer22 (talk) 00:47, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Re:Thanks for the pictures

For me it is a pleasure. Thank you for the compliments --Bart ryker (talk) 15:44, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. Flyer22 (talk) 15:46, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Disappearance of Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon

Hi. I'm looking for help in writing Disappearance of Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon‎. I was born many years after the event, but from what i can gather, the Ratcliffe-Gordon disappearance is second only to the Beaumont children disappearance for South Australians and ranks alongside the Beaumonts and the Disappearance of Eloise Worledge for Australian child crime history. Paul Austin (talk) 19:41, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Paul Austin, I'm not interested in working on that material. I see that you contacted others about it. Maybe one of them will/can help you. Flyer22 (talk) 02:12, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

@Flyer22: I'm sorry. I was feeling kind of desperate. Paul Austin (talk) 09:53, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Grammar lessons (or, follow your own advice and quit acting like you know commas...)

Your own example of "His father, Jeremy Bieber, is characterized in..." is EXACTLY the same as, "The 2007 film, Cougar Club, was dedicated to..." so stop taking out correct commas. Wikipedia is a collaborative project where we should all collaborate to keep things correct. Thus, we don't want errors like the ones you've been making. I'm glad we were able to have this talk, I've also gone and cleaned up your "mess." Have a good day.Cebr1979 (talk) 09:25, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Cebr1979, the last time you visited my talk page, I was clear to you that you are a highly problematic editor that I do not want to work with. Considering that you have been repeatedly told by others that "Wikipedia is a collaborative project," it is ironic that you are stating that to me. And given that you continued on that problematic path, as is clear from postings to your talk page since then (you know, the ones you delete), it's clear that nothing has changed. "His father, Jeremy Bieber, is characterized" is not the same thing as "The 2007 film, Cougar Club, was dedicated to" wording. As you know by now, I've taken this matter to the article talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 09:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't remember ever being to your talk page before, (<--look! a comma!) you clearly weren't worth remembering. Peace out! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cebr1979 (talk • contribs)

Cebr1979, as various Wikipedia editors know, I have a very good memory. So don't take it to mean that you are special because I remember you, especially since, as is well known, problematic editors are quite easy to remember. The day you are indefinitely blocked will be a good day for Wikipedia. Flyer22 (talk) 09:47, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

You're just a wiki God, Flyer. Thank the Heavens we have you as the "experienced editor" you seem to love reminding everyone you are. Gag. Don't ping me anymore, I'm busy trying to forget you again.Cebr1979 (talk) 09:51, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Cebr1979, considering that you are roaming outside of your usual soap opera areas and popping up in areas where I edit and I see you behaving in a WP:BATTLEGROUND way each and every time, with multiple editors trying to talk sense into you, I can't promise that I won't WP:Ping you again. Not any more than you can promise to stop your WP:BATTLEGROUND behavior, WP:Personal attacks and WP:Edit warring at every turn. Flyer22 (talk) 10:12, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Yep. 'Cause I totally and absolutely went to the Cougar (slang) page just to see you, Flyer. Like, I totally knew that's a page you edit. <--that's all sarcasm, by the way - you may not know what that is but, wikipedia has a page for it--> I'm curious, Flyer, should I check with you in advance when deciding to edit a non-soap opera page or are we in agreement that this is https://en.wikipedia.org/ and not flyer22.com?Cebr1979 (talk) 10:19, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

SOS !

Hello Flyer22! Have you had the time in your busy life to check this [1] ?

It is impossible to add anything decent to article: all work is being immediately rejected/reworded/reverted by my *opponent*! Is there a way to put a stop to it?

Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 20:42, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Blue Indigo (talk · contribs), of course there is something we can do. That is why I made this comment offering my assistance. Your response surprised me a bit, considering that Aubmn is not an editor one can work with (not for long and without serious and/or frustrating complications anyway), as is demonstrated all over that talk page. I will see about getting him banned from that article (an article ban) since he is completely WP:OWNing it. Given what has occurred at that talk page, that he has been blocked for his WP:Disruption at that article, and taken to WP:ANI for it, it should not be difficult to get him banned from editing that article. In my opinion, he shouldn't be editing Wikipedia at all. Flyer22 (talk) 03:13, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22, thank you for returning to me. I did not jump on your offer to step in immediately because, after my last long post at MA's talk page [2] I thought that our dear friend might decide to behave a little bit more courteously by stopping his (1) insulting manners on the talk page; (2) disruptive behavior editing the article; and it is what happened from 10 June to 17 July; at which date the situation began to escalate [3]. Ever since, attempting to edit has turned into a duel, which I am sure you could foresee (!) Anyway, that's where we are now & I have come to the conclusion that trying to bring any amelioration to the article is a waste of time, with the added dumb risk of being blocked for edit warring, which I am sure is his goal. His edit history seems to follow the same pattern he has been using at MA's article: arming himself with the misinterpreted rules & regulations of Wikipedia to always find something wrong with other contributors, forcing his opinion down our throat, and, on several occasions, giving a source that says exactly the opposite of what he is putting in the article. Finally, the habit he has of jumping on last editor's last edit robs that editor of the freedom to check his latest entry & correct it, if necessary. It also comes across as total surveillance.

Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 09:30, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

With editors like that, my WP:Assume good faith usually leaves quickly. I have no more faith in them after a certain early point, WP:Newbie or not. Years ago, my faith in other editors would last longer. Not these days. Too much experience with problematic editors; too much bitterness there for me. I know very quickly if an editor is the type of editor who is at all good for Wikipedia. Some such editors are good for Wikipedia in certain ways, but not in other ways; that goes for a lot of us. For example, an editor might state or feel that "Flyer22 is not patient enough to deal with this particular matter." It's true that I have had enough of certain types of editors and might be quick to want that editor gone because I can see the net negative there, even if I don't yet have enough evidence to ensure that the editor is indefinitely blocked or banned. Sometimes that makes me look like a bitch, but I call them like I see them. I don't like affording a second chance to people it will be wasted on. And with Aubmn, I'm not seeing any net positive there. He's had more than one chance to reform.

I see that Aubmn's first block was a result of Thomas.W's report: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive243#User:Aubmn reported by User:Thomas.W (Result: Blocked 36 hours). His second block was a result of Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive880#User:Aubmn and sockpuppetry. Again, I will get around to proposing a WP:Article ban for Aubmn, if someone else doesn't beat me to it first. Flyer22 (talk) 10:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

What I was referring to RE his edit history was an article in which Aubmn practiced his talent, albeit on a smaller scale, at what was be done later to MA's article. His first edit [4], some descriptive on 20 Sept. 2014, which led to back & forth reverts thru Oct 2014->January2015, vocabulary & tactic used later at MA [5]. Then there was the Napoléon period which he ran thru with his Panzerdivision, blowing up whole sections, "trimming" them to the bone. Someone quickly put a stop to it [6]. It is about that date that he came full time on MA's article. Of course, the above has nothing to do with the Marie Antoinette case, but it does show a pattern of extremely disruptive behavior.

Between us, I can hardly wait for him to move here [7].

My apologies for the sarcasme on your talk page. --Blue Indigo (talk) 13:18, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22, I waited that long to call your attention back to this *SOS* and this [8] is proof that trying to achieve anything on article IS mission impossible - which you knew. There is no use wasting any more time on this poor article as long as other editor is standing guard over it with his refusal to accept anyone's contribution. By the time you read this, he probably will have again reverted me, then will not return to article & leave it as is until someone else tries to edit it. That is his game. Also, I will not accept his 'invitation' of discussing anything with him on article talk page: the page is filled with months long discussions with other contributors & myself that lead to nowhere.

Have a good day, --Blue Indigo (talk) 08:26, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

P.S. This is where article was at when I began note to you [9]. It has since been reverted. --Blue Indigo (talk) 08:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Anilingus discussion

I have started a new discussion, which seems related to a 2013 discussion you were part of. Feel free to weigh in, or not. Peter Chastain ^{[habla, por favor]} 00:23, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) User:Peter Chastain, please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Viriditas (talk) 00:46, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Viriditas, I appreciate the feedback. On the other hand, I was trying to fix a problem in the article. Can we please continue this discussion on the article's talk page? Thanks. Peter Chastain ^{[habla, por favor]} 00:59, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Peter. I think you misunderstood what "talk page stalker" (tps) means. Since you started this thread, you're not a talk page stalker. Since I'm stalking this page, and I responded to a question asked of Flyer22, I'm the tps, which is why I used the template. In any case, I have no interest in taking part in the talk page discussion, which is another reason I identified as a tps. Viriditas (talk) 02:38, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Peter Chastain, I'm not interested in that matter or discussing it. I've mentioned before that the Anilingus article is one of the articles I'm least interested in; that's still the case. But I'll go ahead and discuss your intentions a little... As for you creating a section at that article called "Slang synonyms," make you sure that it is appropriately sourced...per WP:Reliable sources. IMDb, which you've mentioned at that talk page, is generally regarded as a poor source on Wikipedia; see Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites#IMDb. Also consider combining your slang section with the barely-there Etymology section, so that the section is titled Etymology and terminology; I propose that because the Etymology section is a single sentence, and, per MOS:Paragraphs, "The number of single-sentence paragraphs should be minimized, since they can inhibit the flow of the text [...] Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading." I also propose it because, in my opinion, "Terminology" is more encyclopedic than "Slang synonyms."

On a side note: I remember we talked before; see Talk:List of paraphilias/Archive 3#Update for DSM-5. Flyer22 (talk) 08:24, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

And Wikipedia talk:Gender-neutral language/Archive 1#Transsexual, transgender. Flyer22 (talk) 08:43, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Viriditas, yes, I did misinterpret the tps template. I was trying to figure out the mechanism whereby something that you wrote here resulted in my receiving a notification. I guess the software must do that automatically, when it sees a User wikilink. Thanks for the clarification.

Flyer22, yes, our paths have crossed a few times, and I have seen you on WP even more often. There being so many editors, that always surprises me. Thanks for your suggestions, all of them both useful for the article in question and helpful in my quest to become a more proficient editor. Peter Chastain ^{[habla, por favor]} 05:01, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Periods

Yes periods may begin as early as 8 among normal girls. Your wording is still fine. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 08:16, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Doc James, regarding this, this and this edit at the Menstrual cycle article, the reason that I changed the text, other than to correct the typo, is because I thought that the "They may occationally start as early as eight and still be normal." sentence was stating that the girls may still be normal. That's why I stated, "And whether or not the girl is normal is not exactly the issue; it's the process." My point was that a girl might have an irregular/non-normal period, but that doesn't mean that the girl is not a normal girl. I was stating that the focus should be on the period. I then realized that the focus was already on the period. The "they" part is about the periods. Flyer22 (talk) 08:32, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Sure. Yes the girl may be normal and still have periods that may or may not be normal as early as 8 years of age. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:41, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

WLIT-FM Edits

Hello! I recently saw you undid my edits to WLIT-FM. I understand you feel that my edits to the format and the music it plays were unconstructive and incorrect. However, in footnote 6 of the page, the station pushing a Hot AC format is mentioned with the station's updated playlist. It is also mentioned in the Adult Contemporary page on Wikipedia that: "Hot adult contemporary radio stations play a variety of classic hits and contemporary mainstream music aimed at an adult audience. Some Hot AC stations concentrate slightly more on mainstream pop music and alternative rock to target the Generation Z audience, though they include the more youth-oriented teen pop, urban and rhythmic dance tracks."

WLIT-FM's format is heavy on current/recurrent music, and therefore its playlist is closest to the Hot Adult Contemporary format. The My FM branding is also used on other iHeartMedia owned HOT ACs such as WLGX in Louisville, KY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.22.241.115 (talk • contribs)

Feel free to restore your material then. I wondered if I should have simply reverted your edit as a WP:Good faith edit. Flyer22 (talk) 23:59, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

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Sorry for the template, Twinkle templated automatically. CSD'd it because the same already exists with the MOS:NEO shortcode, and the convention is all caps I believe. | Naypta^✉ opened his mouth at 08:04, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Naypta, that redirect doesn't need deletion. It matters not that a completely capitalized version of it exists, just like it matters not that a completely capitalized version of WP:Neo exists. Some of us get tired of capitalizing a policy or guideline throughout and/or feel that the lowercase version makes more sense. WP:Redirects are cheap. Flyer22 (talk) 08:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough, I wasn't aware of how cheap redirects were! Will remove the CSD. :) | Naypta^✉ opened his mouth at 08:15, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Naypta, thank you. Flyer22 (talk) 08:17, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Welp, @RHaworth: deleted it just as I hit save to remove the CSD. | Naypta^✉ opened his mouth at 08:18, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

And restored it: "(Deletion log); 08:19 . . RHaworth (talk | contribs) restored page MOS:Neo ‎(2 revisions restored: redirects are cheap)." Flyer22 (talk) 08:31, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Todd Manning, Part 2

Trevor St. John never portrayed the character. I'll get that info removed.Cebr1979 (talk) 23:05, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Hmm... it looks like a case of owning and not fully realising what you're doing. I'm going to go re-link those characters you unlinked (as per standard wikipedia linking) and also change the cast members page name back to the right one. As for St. John, that'll be a discussion. I already know what the consensus will be. Everyone agreed about Drake Hogestyn being taken out of Roman Brady's infobox. Talk soon.Cebr1979 (talk) 23:09, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Another example would be like when Kelli Giddish was hired to play Dixie Cooney on AMC but, then turned out to be a new character named Di Henry. Or when If you like, you can start consensus talk. I'm okay with that. I'll wait a bit and see what you decide.Cebr1979 (talk) 23:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Cebr1979, I knew it was a matter of time before you started editing one of the few soap opera articles that I edit. Per our latest previous interaction noted in the #Grammar lessons (or, follow your own advice and quit acting like you know commas...) section above, I am not interested in discussing this matter with you at all. You are wrong...again. This case is not like the Kelli Giddish/Dixie Cooney matter at all, since Kelli Giddish was never officially Dixie Cooney. Flyer22 (talk) 23:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Note: I altered the heading of this section with ", Part 2," so that editors are not taken to an identical section heading above when editing this section. Flyer22 (talk) 23:28, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Sure. It's your talk page.Cebr1979 (talk) 03:08, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Cebr1979 (talk) 03:07, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Good luck. Flyer22 (talk) 04:43, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Previous account

I managed to dig up my previous account on Wikipedia. Here you go Userpage and contributions --Iady391 (talk) 12:25, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Iady391, do you think I'm a fool? Does what I outline on my user page about knowing when an editor is a non-new returning editor sound like I can be fooled on matters such as these? There is no way on this Earth that the Typehumor (talk · contribs) account gave you enough experience to edit Wikipedia in the experienced way that you edit it. I stand by what I stated in our previous discussion. You remind me of one editor in particular, and you will have no luck throwing me off that scent. Flyer22 (talk) 23:49, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't think you're a fool, but I do think that this conversation is getting unproductive. I'll just leave it now. Iady391 | Talk to me here 21:54, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

apology

I am here by to make my guilt..... my edits won't dissapoint u in near future.... sorry for those Edits..... Jannat khalsa (talk) 08:25, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

derek shepherd

i have no clue if i'm doing this properly (sorry) but derek is actually referred to as mcass quite a bit, especially in the fandom. i wasn't trying to be offensive in any way, i just thought it could be added. Katerpleena (talk) 13:42, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry for what I wrote on the RfA talk page. I mentioned the whole outing thing because I wanted to stop the incorrect accusations of lying that were flying about, but I felt uncomfortable about the possibility that I could have been revealing personal information that Liz would not have wanted revealed. As a result I overreacted when you asked how they found out her identity. Sorry about that. Brustopher (talk) 21:02, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Brustopher. I accept your apology. I understand how trying to accurately convey one's meaning and intent via text can come across muddled and/or completely inaccurate. That is what happened between you and me. Seeing your reply and Liz's reply, I also understand that my questions on the matter were not the best for her well-being, especially if someone had revealed something that could have caused her harm. So it would have been better had I not asked. Sorry about that, Liz. Flyer22 (talk) 21:13, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

It's an RfA, Flyer22, it's a stressful situation all around. Pass or no, I'm looking forward to Tuesday morning. I hope you're having a good weekend. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:19, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Liz. You're handling that matter very well, outwardly at least. As for me, I just got back from my youngest brother's wedding (the one who used to edit Wikipedia, and probably still does as IPs or under a different account). It's 11:21 PM where I'm at right now. But, hey, it was a nice cap to my weekend. Hard to believe he's married at 21, though. Married before me, and to a lovely young woman, and the first of my four siblings to get married. Flyer22 (talk) 04:21, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Who are u mate ? Do you know anything about operation blue star

Tell plz Pritmaan128 (talk) 09:36, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello: Math

Are you a mathematician? (or a physicist etc.). I have several questions about some articles on mathematics in English wiki, but I don't know whom can I ask my questions. --Tamtam90 (talk) 17:55, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Tamtam90 (talk · contribs), I reverted you here because your edit was inappropriate. As for math, as noted on my user page, I generally stay away from editing Wikipedia math topics.

On a side note: I added ": Math" on to your heading so that it is clearer as to what this section is about, and will be easier to locate once archived. Flyer22 (talk) 18:25, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

As for where you can go to ask about math on Wikipedia, you can query the matter at the talk page of Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics or Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Mathematics. Flyer22 (talk) 18:28, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! --Tamtam90 (talk) 19:00, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

SOS 2

Flyer22 - you may not have read the post + PS I left earlier today, as you are a very busy person. [10]; [11]. However, since you had written this: Again, I will get around to proposing a WP:Article ban for Aubmn, if someone else doesn't beat me to it first. Flyer22 (talk) 10:26, 21 July 2015 (UTC), and since no one else has beaten you to it, I am asking you to (please) step in because this situation is insufferable and, as is, Wikipedia might as well blank out or lock the Marie Antoinette article - which is turning out to be the worst piece of wiki Mumble Jumble. This afternoon (afternoon in my little village in Europe ([12]), Aubmn has added another piece of his literary & historical talent here [13]. Yesterday, I had managed to bring the article down to around 112000 & was planning to get it much lower after having gone thru last sections & removed more unnecessary verbiage; but A has brought it up to over 115000 with a bunch of unintelligible rehashed tear jerking material. In addition, when he reverted me earlier today, he put back some huge inexactitude(s) of his - that I had corrected -, which shows his total ignorance of the workings of the French government in the Ancien Régime: using a title that never existed and, to boot, for someone who would have never been able to have such a title because of his low birth and the fact that he was a foreigner - unacceptable in an encyclopedia. All that is left to say is that I tried... and ended up like everyone else before me. Dommage!

If you feel your talk page is not the place to bring this up, please let me know, or move discussion somewhere else. Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 17:06, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I saw it. It's just that I'm currently not in a proactive mood to deal with this case. Yes, I know this is a change from how I previously was regarding this editor. But, on Wikipedia, when I see others not caring, I can sometimes cease to care. He's been disruptive for months, and the problem has yet to be dealt with as successfully as it could have been. You can go ahead and write up a report at WP:ANI about this disruptive editing and WP:Ping the relevant parties (including those who complained about Aubmn) there. I would support your commentary on this there. If you do this, make sure you point to the past and current problems regarding Aubmn's editing (such as WP:Copyright violations, falsifying text, WP:Edit warring, WP:Socking, the WP:IDIDN'THEARTHAT behavior, and the fact that he's been blocked before for editing disruptively at that article). Be clear about how it has driven away editors. I would recommend that you be concise with your report, since people's attention spans are often poor and they have a WP:Too long; didn't read mindset (including those helping out at WP:ANI), but a thorough report is fine in this case. If your report is significantly long, then consider using Template:Collapse. Flyer22 (talk) 00:31, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22, thank you for returning to me, also hoping that you are not putting me in the category of those who do not care :( as caring is what this has been all along with me. It is just that I wanted to amass enough (additional) evidence, which I believe I have succeeded in doing.

Thank you for pointing out to me the marche à suivre and I will contact others when they are back from their summer holiday.

Best regards, --Blue Indigo (talk) 07:18, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

P.S. Let me know if you change your mind:)

No, I know that you care. Flyer22 (talk) 07:32, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Merci! :)

Have a good day! --Blue Indigo (talk) 07:59, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22 - waiting for others to come back from holiday was not that good an idea after all[14] as, in the meantime, I put myself at risk of being blocked or kicked out of Wikipedia, which would be quite ironic!

Anyway, all was done on my part for the good of the cause, and if I get blocked because of trying to save an article from ruin, well! that's that! Will get back to articles whose main contributor is waiting for my review & editing - also to my own work with a deadline at the doorstep.

Cordialement, --Blue Indigo (talk) 19:42, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Reported at WP:ANI. Flyer22 (talk) 01:28, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22, I want to thank you for this, you handled it much better than I would know how to.

Best to you, --Blue Indigo (talk) 12:17, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22, thank you again. --Blue Indigo (talk) 13:25, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

SpaghettiCali

Good call. Thanks for helping me put the pieces together. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:25, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. And thanks for trusting me on that. Flyer22 (talk) 08:26, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Yunshui, he might also have WP:Sleepers; just noting that in case you didn't do a sleeper check. Flyer22 (talk) 08:37, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

There's nothing else on that IP or the IPs of the other Cali socks I matched it to. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:41, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. Flyer22 (talk) 08:42, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

KTC, regarding this, mind letting me know what he stated? Feel free to email me the details if you'd rather not repost the material here on Wikipedia. And don't worry; I'm quite used to his abusive language; see the "05:44, 28 May 2015 (UTC)" post in that link. I like to be in know when it comes to these things so that I might cite them and/or use them against him in the future. Flyer22 (talk) 13:51, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, policy does not allow me to release the information either publicly or in private. For that matter, I no longer actually have access to the edit since it has been oversighted. All I can tell you is that it was a highly offensive personal attack against another editor. -- KTC (talk) 14:31, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

KTC, thank you for taking the time to reply. I have been sent oversighted material before. I don't see where the oversight policy is clear that you are not allowed to send me details on this matter. If the attack were about a different editor, I would understand you not releasing the information. But seeing as the material was about me (I'm sure it was), I don't see the problem with you informing me of what was stated. I suppose I should imagine it was worse than his "05:44, 28 May 2015 (UTC)" commentary. Anyway, again thanks for replying. Flyer22 (talk) 14:48, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

No, the statement were made against a different editor. -- KTC (talk) 14:52, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Surprising. I appreciate you letting me know. Flyer22 (talk) 14:53, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Note: For documentation, Password12 (talk · contribs) is a WP:Sleeper account related to this case; the account tried to save one of the Cali articles I tagged as WP:G5. See the talk page commentary for evidence; only WP:Administrators/higher-ups have access to that now that the article is deleted. Flyer22 (talk) 02:06, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

On the look-out for sock puppetry

Hi, you do not know me but I am Darkknight2149. On this site, I mainly edit articles pertaining to fiction (esp. the subject of comic books). I recently noticed a sock puppet of Cali11298 edit the article, Prometheus (comics), which you reverted. After doing my homework on this user, I reverted two of his edits here and here. If you know of any comic book related articles that this user has been known to edit (I already know about Merlyn (DC Comics)), I can keep an eye out for possible sock puppets. If I see any suspicious activity, I'll let you know, as you are much more experienced with this user than I am. Darkknight2149 (talk) 04:20, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Darkknight2149. Thanks for the offer to help. This editor has a portion of my life that I can never get back; I've dealt with him so often now that it has seemingly overshadowed all the other sock cases I have worked on. I'm now "the catch Cali11298 editor" to some people. I seriously would have moved on from this editor by now if it weren't for the fact that he keeps editing in places that I edit, is aspiring to be a WP:Administrator, and is learning more and more about how to appropriately use WP:Policies and guidelines by watching me and others; this has made it so that he is starting to blend in with the good editors better than he previously did. I mean, his run as Spaghetti07205 (talk · contribs) shows some improvement as an editor. But clearly not enough to have kept off JzG (Guy)'s radar as a problematic editor. The last thing Wikipedia needs is Cali11298 blending in well enough to be seen as a decent Wikipedian; and I state that because I don't think he can ever be improved enough to actually be a decent Wikipedian. He will always be a wolf in sheep's clothing to me. If he were to prove me wrong on that, then at least Wikipedia would no longer be at risk with him editing it. As for reverting his edits per WP:Block evasion, yes, you made a good call here. I likewise didn't revert all of his edits; this is because some of them were improvements that should stay (like sourcing uncited material) and because others were caught up in intervening edits (edits by others). I reverted enough of them, though (improvements included), and I had his articles deleted per WP:G5, so that he continues to get the point that he is not supposed to be editing Wikipedia and, because of that, his edits have a higher chance of being obliterated. I also meant to take care of this bit you took care of. Flyer22 (talk) 05:38, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

On a side note: What makes you think he edited the Merlyn (DC Comics) article? Flyer22 (talk) 06:00, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't mean to contribute to the perception that you're the "catch Cali11298 editor." I'm just concerned that if he shouldn't be editing on Wikipedia and has made disruptive edits in the past, he may make them again in the future. My goal is always the betterment of whatever article I edit, so you can understand why this is a concern.

As for the Merlyn article, I double checked the revision history and a Cali sock puppet didn't edit it after all. I thought I remembered seeing one of the sock puppets edit it when I was researching him but I guess I must have it confused with another article. Darkknight2149 (talk) 17:17, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

You reverting an edit of mine (4 August, Civility)

Hello. I challenge a recent edit of yours, in: Wikipedia talk:Civility#Incorrect revert. --Corriebertus (talk) 12:34, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Please use edit summaries correctly

You removed Spaghetti's edits from Chris Christie but removed other people's, too. Do not use inaccurate edit summaries. This can confuse you for a vandal, who sometimes uses inaccurate edit summaries intentionally to hide vandalism. Thank you. No names left!! abcd (talk) 18:26, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

No names left!! abcd (talk · contribs), you are referring to this revert. I feel that it was a correct edit summary, though I agree that it failed to note what else I reverted. I noted in the #On the look-out for sock puppetry section above that I was careful about reverting that WP:Sock's edits. With regard to your edit, I don't see that it was needed. So that it got caught up in the WP:Sock's edit didn't seem problematic to me. And as you can see from this edit, another editor doesn't see your addition as necessary or an improvement. Flyer22 (talk) 21:41, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

No names left!! abcd is a confirmed sock. Was obvious to me at first glance, but I don't always have the leeway to accuse a person on the spot. Flyer22 (talk) 13:52, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Good job, but not good faith edit in first place. Yours, Quis separabit? 13:12, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

William Lynch speech

That was copyvio, it's found on a number of websites but this is its origin. Doug Weller (talk) 14:05, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know about that, Doug Weller. Flyer22 (talk) 14:07, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Dubious edit by anon on humoral immunity

I'm investigating the following suspicious edit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Humoral_immunity&diff=prev&oldid=624707821

in which

Humoral immunity, also called the antibody-mediated immune system ...

became

Humoral immunity, also called the antibody-mediated beta cullularis immune system ...

On a quick search, I can only find echo-chamber articles containing "beta cullularis" or "beta cellularis". It appears to be completely made up.

A while back you reverted the following edit as "good faith".

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transamination&diff=prev&oldid=608577987

which you attribute to 59.96.232.143 but which my subject (69.50.69.34) also appears to have made.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transamination&diff=prev&oldid=550195949

First things: both versions of this statement are probably wrong as (apparently) authoritative sources tend to include proline on this list.

Second thing: I lack enough knowledge of this subject to pursue this investigation further, as to whether this user's edits in general are fully constructive.

Here's another one that is perhaps a step in the wrong direction:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Circulatory_system_of_the_horse&diff=prev&oldid=443612550

I've now taken this as far as my time permits, so I would be pleased if you could pick up the thread. — MaxEnt 14:12, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

MaxEnt, I can see why you find the "beta cullularis" addition suspicious. So do I. I could ask about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology and/or WP:Med if you like. Biological terms are things I'm very familiar with, but not that "term."

I think it should be pursued, if you are willing to do so. It's scary how eclectic neologisms inserted into Wikipedia instantly permeate a Google results page, seemingly from many different places, but not at all. Beyond my scope. My formal biology ended with a high school AP. — MaxEnt 19:48, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

As I wandered off from that last edit, something in brain began to wonder if Flyer22 pertained to the Mike Knuble Selke award. After skimming your user page, my stray hypothesis seems less likely. I had Non-24-hour sleep–wake disorder for thirty years (25.5 hour circadian day) until a year ago I discovered that sustained-release melatonin packs an extra punch over any formulation I'd previously tried. I was teetering on the cusp of victory, then I added 20 minutes of the Philips goLITE BLU pointed at our translucent shower curtain during my morning shower, and that seems to have finally nailed it. Oh yes, I also dabble at creative writing (definitely not a novel) and I have a page in my personal wiki titled "writing sex" where I collect the attitudes of various writers to the problem of writing a sex scene that advances the narrative. There's an entire group of writers who advise saying as little as possible so as to leave the reader alone with their prurient thoughts—how could the author possibly improve on that? This is not a model of story telling that I endorse. David Schnarch in Passionate Marriage (simultaneously a mind-bogglingly weird / illuminating book) says that people fear sexual intimacy because it's fundamentally too revealing. But then you see so many novelists (novelists who strive to reveal) discretely turn out the lights before the reader becomes scared stiff about their own hang ups. It's totally weird if you ask me. With all your other skills, you really find grammar difficult? The only place grammar is difficult is when we try to gussy up constructs of Saxon or Celtic origin as make-believe Latin, and the debate degenerates into foolish consistency. Elsewhere on your user page you seem well fortified against foolish consistency, so I don't quite get this self evaluation. Anyway, if you'd like to continue with any of these threads IRL, drop me a note. We have more than a few things in common. — MaxEnt 20:31, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

As for the "facial artery" edit at the Circulatory system of the horse article, that is fine. Like our Facial artery article states, it is called "external maxillary artery" in older texts. See this and this Google Books search. Besides, if it had been wrong, Montanabw would have reverted. Flyer22 (talk) 14:22, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

On a quick inspection, it resembled an unsophisticated editor having a bias toward unsophisticated-but-possibly-incorrect language. As a attempt at a quick triangulation on this editor's modus operandi it left me wanting. Thanks for the double check. — MaxEnt 19:48, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't know

who you mean at[15] - if you want to email me about it, feel free. Doug Weller (talk) 14:46, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Doug Weller, what are you confused about? You interacted with that editor, and also commented in the thread I linked to in that post. Flyer22 (talk) 14:51, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, very tired for some reason. Either my sleep apnoea or a very painful arm at night. I've figured it out. Doug Weller (talk) 15:34, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Kingshowman

I recommend disengaging. Clearly this user has a grudge against you, and nothing you say will change that. Other users may be able to walk him off the ledge (doubtful), but I fear that you're just fuel for his fire at the moment. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:40, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

WikiDan61, thanks. I have disengaged more than once when it comes to him, but he does not make it easy to do so. And I did tell him that if no one indefinitely blocks him, I will see to it that he is indefinitely blocked. I stand by that now as well. Any editor trying to reason with him is wasting their time. That is also clear from User talk:24.46.196.22. Flyer22 (talk) 17:49, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Robert Sirico

Dear Flyer22, I wrote a message to you here (on Robert Sirico and his "work" but it appears to have... dissapeared... Am I making an eror saving? Did you get it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.24.244.15 (talk) 18:02, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

I reverted your vandalism; see WP:Vandalism. I don't know what you mean by "I wrote a message to you here" unless you mean that vandalism of yours. Flyer22 (talk) 18:12, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, in a previous message that I wrote 10 minutes ago, here in this talk page, (a message that was probably not saved correctly by me since it dissapeared) I was just saying that you were indeed right to make that modification. My comment was not "constructive". But it was true. Also you can call that "vandalism", but it was just a legitimate reaction at a person who dares calling names to entire nations in the most abject way. I think that such a brutally injust and injurious nazi type declaration such as Robert Sirico's Acton Institute paper calling one entire nation as "a nation of sex trafficking" should not remain without proper reaction. It seems, that you are a little overreacting to my "vandalism".. don't be so harsh. Anyway you might want to help Acton Institute as well since all their webpages seem to be down as we speak. I can only express my delight that the poison is not spreading for the time being. I strongly believe that all these insults to entire nations should not remain without reaction, even if you call it "vandalism". Anyway, congrats on your work on Wiki, you are really doing a great job. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.24.244.15 (talk) 18:27, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Coal

Hi Flyer22, I reverted your repeat of Kingshowman's mass delete, because he deleted contributions from several editors, including myself in addition to his own contributions. I am currently trying to get a discussion going on what exactly should be in the lede and what sources we can rely on for estimates of additional deaths due to coal-related pollution. I'm not happy with the current sourcing, but I doubt that the figure given is the wrong order of magnitude. Based on what I can find, several hundred thousand additional depths per year seems very likely, but I am hoping to find a usable source that actually states this. Mikenorton (talk) 21:54, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Mikenorton, the vast majority of this content you restored should comply with WP:MEDRS. Flyer22 (talk) 03:05, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Flyer22, re: coal and your needlessly antagonistic position towards me and my edits, thought reading this might be helpful for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Admitting_you%27re_wrong

Sometimes, admitting when you've been wrong is the first step to moving forward. Best wishes!Kingshowman (talk) 03:45, 12 August 2015 (UTC)Kingshowman

Kingshowman (talk · contribs), various editors at this site know that I admit when I am wrong. But to state that I was wrong about your edits is to go back on my statement that your edits were poor. They were/are poor, as others have also told you. I was clear here and here. I told you, "You don't listen to anyone about how poor your editing is (whether we point out your unsourced additions, poorly sourced additions, WP:Lead violations, WP:Synthesis, WP:Editorializing, WP:Activism or whatever else); it does not align with Wikipedia's ways. And you WP:Edit war to maintain that poor editing." All of that is true. On the point that you don't listen, take this wannabe gloating post, for example. Some of your edits got restored for reasons I already made clear to you: How WP:Patrollers work, and that you had deleted others edits with yours. And yet your latest gloating post is making it sound like your edits were just fine and dandy. They were not. And still are not. You also proceeded to blame me for your WP:Disruptive editing.

I am not interested in discussing anything with you, considering the way you behave and your vile WP:Personal attacks against me, which started with User talk:24.46.196.22. You will eventually be indefinitely blocked. Those trying to mentor you are wasting their time. Flyer22 (talk) 04:01, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

You began with vile personal attacks on me and on my editing, calling all of my edits "poor, pure and simple" without any reason whatsoever. I don't even understand what the hell your problem is, from the instant I got here and changed anything on your beloved "childhood" page. And you keep threatening to "infinitely ban" me for no reason. You're obviously a paragon of civility. Kingshowman (talk) 04:04, 12 August 2015 (UTC)Kingshowman

Kingshowman (talk · contribs), my so-called personal attacks against you consist of me calling your edits poor (while pointing out why, despite you stating that I have no reasons for why) and noting that you are a disruptive editor; these so-called personal attacks pale in comparison to what you have stated about me. I suggest you cease and desist from commenting on my talk page. I've left your talk page alone so that you can gloat in ridiculous fashions. Flyer22 (talk) 04:09, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Not surprised: Aubmn again... multiplying

Flyer22, English not improved. Same tactics:

[16]

[17]

--Blue Indigo (talk) 18:50, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Blue Indigo (talk · contribs), it seems that you are stating that Whiteflagfl (talk · contribs) is Aubmn (talk · contribs). It is not surprising that he would move to a different account after the latest WP:ANI thread about him. Take the matter to WP:Sockpuppet investigations, since this a WP:Scrutiny matter. If you feel that you do not yet have enough evidence for a WP:Sockpuppet investigation against him, or would rather have more evidence than you have, then do what I do: Wait. Gather more evidence. Even if it takes months. Patience is often a virtue. Not much evidence is needed in this case, though. No long wait needed.

On a side note: I altered the heading of this section with ": Aubmn again" so that it is clearer as to what this section is about and will be easier to locate once archived. Also, I've been meaning to tell you that there is no need WP:Ping me at my own talk page. Same goes for WP:Pinging others at their own talk pages. Since it's my talk page, I get an alert without you WP:Pinging me. When you WP:Ping me at my own talk page, I needlessly get two alerts. Flyer22 (talk) 23:02, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22, side note first: I think that I finally got a couple of things straight. (1) Whenever your name is mentioned somewhere, you automatically get an alert. (2) WP:ANI page, only when you "open a case" against someone, must you go to that person's talk page & tell him/her. I figured it out after I had done my boo-boo.

You are correct, it seems that I am stating the obvious: he opened a new account on 12 August & has been following me, reverting me & getting reverted by others, which seems to ruffle his feathers a bit.[18] He began with accusing me of seeking "self-promotion" by editing the article on Chartres, which he has decided must be the region where I live - his statement is confused/confusing: does he mean that I am promoting myself or doing ad-promotion for Chartres? If he knew what my work outside Wikipedia is - and he could easily guess if he went thru the history of my edits - he might feel like a fool for speaking about me the way he does.

Did I mention somewhere that I participate at Wikipedia for relaxation? Did I write that? Well, one gets to do interesting things with interesting people also. However, getting things done can be quite a challenging affair!

Thank you for the advice. --Blue Indigo (talk) 00:00, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22,

[19], [20], [21]

You may have to go back or forth as guy(s) [22] [23] working very fast & links may not be up to date by time you get there.

Have a nice day, --Blue Indigo (talk) 11:27, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

1+2=3+1=4 [24] --Blue Indigo (talk) 14:56, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Further to the above, you may be interested to know that I have raised the issue of edit warring at the Chartres article at WP:ANI. There is also a sockpuppet investigation related to the edit war that has been opened, linked from talk:Chartres. Feel free to comment. Mjroots (talk) 18:32, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Mjroots. I reported him at WP:ANI again. Flyer22 (talk) 21:26, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!

Hi, here is a glass of bubble tea for you. You did very well in the face of the harassment by a blocked user. -- Rsrikanth05 (talk) 18:37, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Rsrikanth05, thanks. Though I could have done things differently that wouldn't have made that situation worse. Flyer22 (talk) 20:53, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

It's alright. What has been done has been done. The best thing to do is to apply what we've learnt from it when a future vandal pops up. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 21:15, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

a question about the JR Chandler and Babe Carey article

I saw you reverted some vandalism and I looked at your user page. On your user page you said you created the JR Chandler and Babe Carey article. Curious who these people are I looked at the article. And read the lead paragraph. I was struck by the word "dock". What is a ship's "dock"? Ships don't have docks. Ships do have decks. Is this a typo? Also, I looked at the revision history for this article. Something has happened where all the revisions from September 2014 back to 2008 are crossed out and can't be seen. I have never seen this before. How did it get this way? -GroveGuy (talk) 08:37, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

GroveGuy, the JR Chandler and Babe Carey article is not my best work; it was created when I was a WP:Newbie. Feel free to work on it, if you don't already. As for why so much of the edit history was wiped out, see WP:Revision deletion and WP:Oversight (privacy issue). Flyer22 (talk) 10:31, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

May I ask what article you noticed me at? Flyer22 (talk) 11:41, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the "POV" issue on Effects of Pornography article

Hello Flyer22,

I apologize for the POV tag mistake which you had to revert twice, unfortunately. And as you have mentioned I am not a newbie and I am well aware of the Drive by tagging policy. But the second time you saw me putting the POV tag above that specific article was not intentional by any means. It was actually due to an application error on my device (android tablet). I must also inform you that I personally always try to talk about an issue before tagging it with a template. I hope you understood what I am trying to say here. And thank you for the reminder. Happy editting!

Sincerely, Roshu Bangwal Roshu Bangal (talk) 14:06, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Rivera- The submission was totally true-as written by this egomaniac in his 1991 autobiography. Is the truth inconvenient for you?

Rivera- The submission was totally true-as written by this egomaniac in his 1991 autobiography. Is the truth inconvenient for you?– — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.167.93.226 (talk) 15:09, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Please look at my talk page

User talk:LL221W —Preceding undated comment added 05:38, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

LL221W, I've looked at your talk page. Your user page/talk is on my WP:Watchlist. But I don't see how what you've stated about advertising is validated. Furthermore, as you surely know, what is seen here (what I stated, not your revert), here and here has caused me to distrust you as an editor. I am tempted to look through all of your contributions to see if I find any more inappropriate editing. Flyer22 (talk) 05:45, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Your presence is appreciated at Talk:Brian Austin Green

While there has been consensus gained at the talk page for Brian Austin Green, it seems a newly-established anonymous editor is wanting to ignore consensus, so I am reopening discussion and given our mutual respect of each other, I'm inviting you to come to the talk page to discuss matters concerning biographies of living persons and its policies concerning names, etc. livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 22:03, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

LL221W

And odd case. I found LL221W's "...Sorry for causing this. I will not vandalise Wikipedia again or sock..." puzzling. I also find Huggi's communications quite unclear sometimes. However, I just looked through lots of their edits. I don't think they are the same person. I see the double dashes you referred to, and I see similar comma usage styles. I see three articles in common. Other than that, there are really no similarities in edit summary styles or article preferences. I also see no convincing dovetailing in their edits. In fact, the opposite. Sometimes it is nice to give a user an "out" by asking for honesty. In this case, it was not well received. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:18, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Anna Frodesiak, as you know, I appreciate you having looked into this matter after I did. That Huggi and LL221W might not be the same person is why I asked Huggi instead of accusing Huggi. If I had been sure that they are the same person, I would have accused instead of ask (for example, in this fashion). Granted, sometimes I ask in such cases even when I'm sure. As for LL221W's "I'm sorry" comment, you are aware of this socking matter regarding LL221W, correct? There was also the deceptive edit summary matter and the falsifying matter. So I think that LL221W was referring to all of that. The reply was still odd, given what I had just stated before that. I've seen accounts who are the same person edit slightly differently or very differently. WP:Good hand, bad hand is just one example. But I'm not going to pursue this Huggi/LL221W matter. In this case, I'm more concerned about LL221W's problematic editing; LL221W's WP:Advocacy is strong. Flyer22 (talk) 06:48, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'll keep an eye on L's contribs too. Anyhow, I should have phrased it "Are you..." and not "You are, right?..." Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:10, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Having dealt with so many WP:Sock cases, I can safely state that your comment on Huggi's talk page was entirely appropriate. Trust me. You asked. Yes, the tone had doubt that they are unrelated, but questions are usually about doubt anyway. Flyer22 (talk) 07:16, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, next time I will not fail to assume good faith, and I will practice a bit more due diligence before making inquiries. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:23, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

LL221W, per what has been stated above in this section, there was no need for this revert at Huggi's talk page and this comment there. Now that Huggi has reverted again, do not revert Huggi in return. Read WP:Talk. That is Huggi's talk page. If Huggi doesn't want that material there, Huggi is free to remove it. Flyer22 (talk) 08:50, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Flyer22 :) --huggi - never stop exploring (talk) 08:56, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Jacob Bertrand filmography

Hi there :) I've noticed you removed some information from Jacob Bertrand as 'unsourced' (I was watching the editor before you blanking most of the page, not you). So I looked for some sources and tried to restore what seemed significant enough. For example, major roles in a long-running series and that movie are worth mentioning from my point of view. Reliability of web sources aside, it's easily verifiable that he had those other roles. Actually, I only know that guy from his Nickolodeon appearances because my brother's kids watch those shows. If you like to, please have another look at the current state of the article; I tried to make it clear in the prose which roles were major or minor, so that it's easier for future editors to decide what needs more reliable sources and what could be removed completely (ex. the guest appearance in iCarly - but so far it's just one minor role and doesn't bloat the article). Thanks. Rh73 (talk) 11:07, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Avatar Rollback

Hi, thanks for taking a look at my edits at Avatar (2009 film). I was well aware that Reddit is not a reliable source. What I was trying to do was provide some type of web-based proof that that article does exist. The St. Petersburg Times (now Tampa Bay Times) has their archives behind a paywall and even searching it, I couldn't find the article exists. So I kept the original source with the dead link and put the Reddit link beside it for verification. I thought that would have been the best way to answer the talk page in regards to verification of that dead source. Anyway, your edit didn't hurt my feelings but hopefully my work was enough to satisfy the original query. I haven't had much experience trying to edit material that has mostly disappeared from the web, so if you have any pointers I would be happy to listen. Thanks and keep up the hard work. Inomyabcs (talk) 12:39, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Inomyabcs, thanks for explaining. Yeah, I reverted you (no use of WP:Rollback) because I did not see that edit as an improvement. I went ahead and noted in the edit history that you explained. Flyer22 (talk) 06:48, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. Sorry for the confusion between revert and rollback. I usually deal with vandals making many edits in a row and got it wrong when I typed up the section header. Inomyabcs (talk) 07:09, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Please delete my ID photo

Since the dispute is cleared, can you please delete my ID photo here? File:LL221W --LL221W (talk) 08:54, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Watch it

Eyes Wide Shut — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.145.112.168 (talk) 10:53, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Take a look

If you find time for it, please take a look at the article about the transgender actress Saga Becker. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:48, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

I think I made a mistake before. She is not transgender she is transsexual. I am no expert but is there a difference.. and does transsexual consider themselves born male if so?. If that is the case change it back, and if not then let it be. Thanks :)--BabbaQ (talk) 23:54, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, BabbaQ. Did you come to me about this because you've seen me at the Transgender and Transsexual articles? Anyway, as you know since you thanked me for it via WP:Echo, I tweaked one part of the Saga Becker article. I changed your text away from "having been born male" because transgender people (and I mean transsexual people as well) usually prefer "assigned sex" instead of "birth sex," "born male," "biologically male," "genetically male," etc. (though "birth sex" is more acceptable than the others). To transgender people, using such words usually implies that their birth sex is their true sex and that their true gender is their assigned gender. For example, see what happened when I referred to myself as genetically female at the Transsexual article's talk page, even knowing that a lot of transgender people would prefer I state "assigned female." Not all transgender people object to those words, but they do on average. I see that you contacted others about helping out with the Saga Becker article as well. -sche is someone else who might be willing to help out with that article.

As for the distinction between transgender and transsexual people, see what those Wikipedia articles state on that if you haven't already. Transsexual people usually prefer to be called transgender, but some transsexual people reject the term transgender. There was recently a debate about this at the Transsexual article's talk page, seen here and here (those are WP:Permalinks). Flyer22 (talk) 01:24, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Question

Could you use your sock identifying powers and take a look at this. [25] [[26]] A user [[27] has had a series of blocks, and now a one year topic ban. Immediately after being banned a new user appeared at the previous page and picked up where the banned user had been active just before. The new user seems to me to have a real similar flavor to the edits. The "new user" is really, really good with editing after only 10 minutes. I am not the only one thinking this, here is a discussion of "quacking" at the blocking admin's talk page [[28]]. I am very suspicious but ...could you take a look if you have a moment? Thanks! Capitalismojo (talk) 01:48, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Capitalismojo, I'll get back to you on that. I'm also currently looking at another case (this case appears to be a relatively experienced Wikipedia editor acting like a WP:Newbie). But, yes, any new Wikipedia editor that is good at editing Wikipedia after only ten minutes is no new Wikipedia editor. Flyer22 (talk) 15:46, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Edit on Spectrophotometry

Hey Flyer22, Awesome that you contacted me on that edit. I believe the editing of the picture description from "spectrophotometer" to "UV-Vis spectrophotometer" contributed positively to the understanding of the article. The reasoning is to differentiate the UV-Vis from the infrared spec. Not all people reading about these machines, actually know how they look like. Thus when reading about the UV-Vis, visual learners, now, have an image to associate with the UV-Vis and subsequently can visually imagine what this apparatus is able to do. It aids by having a framework from which to build understanding.

Do you agree with this line of reasoning? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.192.24.27 (talk) 15:38, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Look at your edit; I reverted you because it messed up words. Flyer22 (talk) 16:01, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, Line 6 was definitely not intended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:708:110:201:1430:49AE:42B1:423B (talk) 11:47, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

On Transsexuality lead

I don't feel it is appropriate to discuss genital surgery in the lead of transsexuality because as surprising as most people may find it, genital surgery has very little to do with transsexuality. Transsexuality is mainly about gender social roles, and insofar as a transsexual person desires physical changes to conform with their identified role, it is their visible features that are generally of greatest concern to the person. Of course to the rest of the population, the subject of genital surgery is of great curiosity, but the involvement of a transsexual's genitals is of no more importance than what a homosexual does with their genitals even though the public is greatly curious about that subject as well. Try mentioning genitalia in the homosexuality lead and you'll see what I mean. Frankly, I'd like to greatly reduce the corresponding section in the body of the article for the same reason though clearly the controversy requires that it be addressed. Cutelyaware (talk) 09:17, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Cutelyaware (talk · contribs). When you made this edit, I was clear about why "sex reassignment surgery" should be noted in the lead; I told you "per WP:Lead; this is a significant aspect of this topic that is addressed lower. The words 'cosmetic surgery' are vague." I then compromised by removing "sex reassignment surgery" and replacing it with "sex reassignment therapy," which covers "hormone replacement therapy (HRT) to modify secondary sex characteristics, sex reassignment surgery to alter primary sex characteristics, and other procedures altering appearance, including permanent hair removal for trans women." And yet you removed that as well, and I reverted you. We should not be vague to our readers about what medical assistance means regarding a transsexual person aligning their body with their identified sex or gender. We are not vague about it lower in the article, and we certainly should not be vague about it in the lead, which is often the only part of an article that a reader reads. The lead is meant to summarize the article (its most significant aspects).

As for stating "because as surprising as most people may find it, genital surgery has very little to do with transsexuality," you can see from this section of the article that some transsexual people would disagree with that. There are also posts at Talk:Transsexual showing people with different definitions and views of what it means to be transsexual. Similar can seen at Talk:Transgender; WP:Permalinks for that are here and here. And wanting to "greatly reduce" these aspects (factors, including disagreements) in the article, when they should be adequately addressed in the article, is not how Wikipedia is supposed to work.

On side note: You should take this matter to the article talk page, so that editors of that article know about this dispute (in case they somehow overlook it from their WP:Watchlists, or in case new editors come along), so that they feel more welcomed to comment on it, and so that passerby people (general readers and/or editors) can readily weigh in on the topic. Flyer22 (talk) 10:40, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

I took your suggestion of expressing my concerns on the Talk page. I had been hoping to avoid the need to expand the discussion by contacting you directly, but since you want it that way, so be it.

And yes, you were clear about why you felt that SRS deserved to be mentioned in the lead, but I feel that you are wrong. Your argument is that it's important to mention what transsexuals do with their genitals because it's what the general public thinks about when the hear the term. While it's true that that makes it an important part of of the political discussion around the subject, it is completely untrue in the psychological sense. That's why I suggested you try to add a similar mention to what gays do with their genitalia to the lead for Homosexuality. The general public has a similar fascination there but it's simply not pertinent to the subject of homosexuality either.

Telling me that SRS is important to "some transsexual people" doesn't affect what I am saying about the general public. Obviously it's important to many of us, which is the main reason it belongs in the article body. If we're going to keep the article focused on the medical and psychological aspects of the topic instead of the sensational aspects, then SRS should always take a back seat to HRT. My attempt at compromise was to remove mention of both. Your attempt was to substitute an umbrella term. That was a good idea but unfortunately its a term that is generally unknown and unused. Since you want to avoid being vague, I suggest we find a phrasing that people will immediately understand and which mentions HRT before SRS since HRT is the most highly sought therapy by transsexuals. FFS for MTF, and top surgery for people transitioning in either direction are of middle importance whereas SRS is pretty low in comparison to any of the above. Cutelyaware (talk) 12:10, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Cutelyaware (talk · contribs), my argument is not that "it's important to mention what transsexuals do with their genitals because it's what the general public thinks about when the hear the term." And I don't see how you came to that conclusion. My argument is exactly what I stated above. And I will reiterate that in the section you started at the article's talk page. Your homosexuality and transsexual comparisons are completely off in this case, and I'll leave it to others to decide how valid your arguments on that, and the rest of what you stated, are. Flyer22 (talk) 14:13, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, I see that you didn't actually start a section there; you posted in an old thread there. I moved your post down into a new thread, for reasons explained there. Flyer22 (talk) 14:31, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

The reason I concluded that you care so much about transsexual's genitals was because of your original insistence on elevating the subject of genital surgery into the lead even though it is a far less sought after form of therapy than HRT. When you switched terminology to the more general SRT, I was largely mollified but still concerned by the use of a relatively unknown term which is easily confused with SRS. Hopefully we now have a wording that satisfies all three parties to the discussion. Cutelyaware (talk) 21:26, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

No, I don't care a lot about transsexual people's genitals, unless it's the topic of sex reassignment surgery gone wrong (by that, I mean medical aspects gone wrong can upset me), or unless it's a Wikipedia article specifically addressing transsexual people's genitals because it should be addressing that topic; the Transsexual article is obviously one such case. I was abiding by WP:Lead on this matter. The lead of the Transsexual article still needs expansion and ideally should mention sex reassignment surgery, including the fact that many transsexual people do not get the surgery. The "far less sought after form of therapy than HRT" aspect that you mention is, as you know, more so the case for trans men (as also noted in the Transsexual article). But I am fine with this edit you made. Flyer22 (talk) 00:03, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm not going to beat a dead horse especially as you've agreed to the latest compromise but I will say one last time that transsexuality is not largely about genitalia, as difficult as that is for some people to believe. Certainly transmen seek SRS less frequently than transwomen, but you may be surprised to learn that most transwomen never seek SRS even though it's what most of the general public expects us to want. And of course many of us do want it very much, but it's almost never our primary medical desire. That's because transsexuality is about gender role, we tend to overwhelmingly care about those medical aspects that affect what everyone sees rather than what our lovers and doctors see. On articles about the medical or political aspects of transsexuality, you can go nuts, but it's almost an inappropriate subject in a psychology article, and especially in the lead. Nothing about WP:Lead suggests that it belongs there as far as I can see. Cutelyaware (talk) 02:12, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

You are indeed beating a dead horse; see WP:Dead horse. And there is nothing about the topic of transgender or specifically transsexual that you could teach me, except for your own experience. With several years of experience editing Wikipedia, I also know what I am talking about when it comes to designing a Wikipedia lead. WP:Lead specifically states, "The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies. The notability of the article's subject is usually established in the first few sentences. The emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources. The lead is the first part of the article most people read, and many only read the lead." So, yes, "The lead of the Transsexual article still needs expansion and ideally should mention sex reassignment surgery, including the fact that many transsexual people do not get the surgery."

I'd rather this discussion not continue both here at my talk page and at the Transsexual talk page; continue it at the Transsexual talk page only if you must. Flyer22 (talk) 12:16, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Devin Funchess

Hey the Devin Funchess edit that I made was correct. I put the right numbers for his height and weight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Batman5846 (talk • contribs) 05:04, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Depression(Mood) Page Image

I saw that you deleted the image that was posted on the Depression Mood page. Can you please add some other image? The page looks really boring. Thanks Wasickta (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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Male rape

[29] Actually, I just read a blog that says that incidences of male rape (where the man is the victim, including sexual coercion) outnumber female rape. If I find a source to back that up I'll add it to the article and mention it in the intro since that is a significant fact, if it turns out to be true. Cla68 (talk) 05:54, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Cla68, it's not true. And if you add it to the Rape article, then expect to be reverted by me, per the WP:Undue weight policy. Nblund (talk · contribs) and I recently got through discussing a similar matter, and I am quite fed up with male editors, especially men's rights activists, trying to put forth the notion that there are more male rape victims than there are female rape victims and/or that there are more female rapists than there are male rapists when the data on rape and male aggression is so far from supporting any of that. Same goes for supposed female privilege; Ivanvector was right when he called the term female privilege "a bullshit phrase used by men's rights activists to attack the women's rights movement" at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 25#Female privilege. Just about everything from men's rights movements and those who think like them can be adequately called "bullshit." If you want to play "the males are the actual victims" card, then I'll play. Flyer22 (talk) 06:23, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Bisexuality

I see we are both editing this, and you seem a pretty thoughtful editor too. Basically like many articles, the section organization isn't really that good. I'm trying to improve it. If you don't like it, can we discuss - maybe here? - in case there's good reasons one way or the other (I'm fine with that) instead of undoing? Thanks! :) FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 10:34, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

FT2, see where I stated in my edit summary that we should discuss this at the article talk page? That's the place to discuss this, especially since there are other active editors who watch the Bisexuality article and will want to comment on your changes and/or proposed changes. There are a number of your changes that I do not like. Flyer22 (talk) 10:38, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Way ahead of you - saw your edit summary and was already working on it. FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 10:38, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Done FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 13:48, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

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Any ideas

Following a previous move of main article there is a question of what to do with Category:Sexual and gender identity disorders which is also associated with a less psychologically focused content at Category:Sexual disorders

I've put in a tech move request re Gender identity disorder in children and am looking at redirects but am unsure what to do with the cat. GregKaye 12:19, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

GregKaye, regarding this move, given what is stated in this discussion by me and Zad68, what made you and Jenks24 think that moving the Gender identity disorder in children article to Gender dysphoria children would be non-controversial? If you had taken the time to read up on gender identity disorder in children, you would know that it is significantly different than gender dysphoria in pubescent adolescents and adults; many children (I mean non-pubescent children) are gender variant at some point in their lives, and the vast majority of children with gender identity disorder/gender dysphoria "grow out of it" by the time they are pubescent. Furthermore, "Gender dysphoria children" is a bad article title; if you were going to move the title, it should have at least been moved to "Gender dysphoria in children." Even "Gender dysphoric children" would have been better. James Cantor, what is your take on this article move? And, BD2412, can I get your take as well? Flyer22 (talk) 22:07, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Re: it should have at least been moved to "Gender dysphoria in children."[30] Apols if the move was unsuitable and, if so, I would appreciate an admin moving the page back. GregKaye 00:21, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Addressed at the article talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 00:22, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppet/WP:SNEAKY vandal?

Flyer22, do you think that User:Tortle is a possible sock puppet? This three-week-old account has already made over 2000 edits, and has made two major WP:COMPETENCE mistakes/actions that have caused a mess that took a lot of time to be cleaned up.

The first was to bulk nominate and review articles while ignoring WP:WIAGA and WP:GAI instructions; see WT:GAN#Bulk reviews and nominations by new editor for more details. The second mistake was the unilateral move (including categories, templates, etc.) of a WikiProject and creating a new WikiProject that duplicates another existing project. See WP:ANI#Disruptive editing by User:Tortle.

However, Tortle's activity also suggests that he may be a sockpuppet or vandal. Tortle is very good at wiki markup and styling, which can be seen in his user pages (e.g. his talk page editnotice) and his deleted WikiProject creation. He can also cite essays such as WP:RANCOR. He often claimed that he edited Wikipedia "a few years ago", although he stated that he was still in school. I am asking for your help because of your experience with identifying sockpuppets. Do you think Tortle is an editor who is trying to cause major damage to Wikipedia (a la Legolas2186) by pretending to be a WP:NOOB? What can be done? Thanks in advance! sovereign°sentinel (contribs) 14:13, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

sockpuppet of Theman81?151.224.47.129 (talk) 14:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

I mean, I think that Tortle may be a very sneaky vandal whose aim is to cause trouble to Wikipedia editors, while pretending to be making edits in good faith. sovereign°sentinel (contribs) 15:07, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

well block him then151.224.47.129 (talk) 18:42, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

As for the few years ago and being in school, I was a young editor in high school five years ago so I dont really understand why that is an issue. I mean,

• I proposed a redesign of the community portal on it's talk page but only one user responded so far. And that was doing things the right way. Heres the talk page and heres the draft I suggested. I actually mainly did the redesign in order to fix a gitch that could occur with some users like me where half of the stuff was off the page.
• I spent a lot of time so far on copyediting for the Backlog elimination drive and am currently in first.
• I redid the lead sections by hand on about 500 literature pages with the help of two other experienced wikipedians due to the fact that the previous version made little sense. Bmcln1 (I think thats his uername) was the only one with an issue during the process saying the new leads were too vague and I responded but after a couple days and I think another message to him, I noticed he was still making other edits and didnt respond so I went on with it because others didnt have issues and two wikipedians were with me on the change. So I handled that situation ok and the lead makes more sense than the last one so if I was a vandal, why would I do almost 500 pages by hand.
• I made WP Wikipedia because I saw the design flaw in the community portal and I realized that there was no wikiproject for the upkeep and orginization of the Wikipedia namespace. The project although implemented wrong, was still of good intenions and I spent a lot of time in creating it. One day, I plan on reimplementing it but using the mistake that I learned rom in the end. Also I helped to revert the mistakes I made, a vandal would just leave them.
• I brought WP:Job Center back to life from pretty much a year of inactivity.
• I spent quite a bit of time on Lego amassing around 50 edits on that.
• I expanded the Agate Desert from a stub.
• I expanded Nembrotha cristata from a stub.

So please reconsider sovereign°sentinel (contribs). I might have done a couple things the wrong way but in the end, I have good intentions. I was sick of the sctutiny but that isnt as bad as being accused of being a vandal. So maybe you should keep an eye on me and give me a chance. I felt like I put those incidents behind me and I want a fresh start with the newfound knowledge from those mistakes. Thanks, Tortle (talk) 19:27, 4 September 2015 (UTC)