*'''Oppose'''. Opposition parties changing leaders is not unusual(it might be more notable if it was the ruling party and would change who was PM, much like [[Conservative Party (UK) leadership election, 1990|this election]]). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:05, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. Opposition parties changing leaders is not unusual(it might be more notable if it was the ruling party and would change who was PM, much like [[Conservative Party (UK) leadership election, 1990|this election]]). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 20:05, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
==== Trinidad and Tobago general election ====
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*'''Support''' per ITNR upon improvement in sourcing. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 18:50, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per ITNR upon improvement in sourcing. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 18:50, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' once again, for those voting "support, per ITNR, pending sources" are wasting time here. It's ITNR, we need to qualify it once the update and article quality are sufficient. Right now it's far from sufficient. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:09, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' once again, for those voting "support, per ITNR, pending sources" are wasting time here. It's ITNR, we need to qualify it once the update and article quality are sufficient. Right now it's far from sufficient. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:09, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Considering the highly deficient prose quality on the Singapore election, how is this worse?[[Special:Contributions/120.62.13.218|120.62.13.218]] ([[User talk:120.62.13.218|talk]]) 02:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - ITNR, and some improvements overall. --[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 21:52, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - ITNR, and some improvements overall. --[[User:BabbaQ|BabbaQ]] ([[User talk:BabbaQ|talk]]) 21:52, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
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A PKK car bombing on a checkpoint kills two Turkish police officers and injures five others in south-eastern Turkey. Also, Turkish security forces impose a curfew in the region's largest city, Diyarbakır. (Reuters)
Japan's Fire and Disaster Management Agency (消防庁) advises 2.8 million people to evacuate due to heavy flooding in the eastern region of the country. (CNN)
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Doctors at Salamanca University Hospital in Salamanca, Spain implant a 3-D printing-produced artificial titaniumsternum (breastbone), and a portion of the ribs (as opposed to the current standard, a non-customized, flat piece of titanium, which can loosen over time) in a patient who had numerous cancerous tumors in that area, the first use of 3D printing technology to take the place of these specific body parts. (Quartz, via MSN)
Chinese and Indian troops face-off in the Burtse region of northern Ladakh after Indian troops crossed the mutually-agreed patrolling line to dismantle a disputed watchtower the Chinese were building close to line. (Economic Times)
The Egyptian Armed Forces claim that an offensive against ISIS militants in northern Sinai over the past week has killed at least 164 insurgents with the loss of eight troops. (AFP via Sky News)
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Comment I seem to be the most recent editor of the article though my contributions to it are relatively minor. There's no question that Frutiger is one of the most influential type designers of the twentieth century, maybe the most of all. I think the article is a bit flowery and needs to be made more concrete (it talks about Frutiger's ideas of "letter construction, unity, and organic form" without any details of what they are). Adding more citations shouldn't be hard (in fact maybe there are so few because large chunks of his autobiography are on Google Books), but I have a limited amount of time today. Blythwood (talk) 19:09, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article is a complete mess and as we're objecting to "stunt pilot" as a field, we should object to "typeface artist" as a field too, for consistency. Both are niche, and for what it's worth I'd be happy with both, but some here clearly have agendas that I simply don't understand. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - important enough within his field. Article could need some improvements surely but that is not a reason to decline ITN RD here.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:51, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have tagged most of what needs support in the article. Unfortunately, links to MyFonts don't provide the necessary substantial backing for the claims being made, and a link to the MyFonts page for Serifa, for example, does not cover the entire paragraph, although the cite was placed at the end of the paragraph. μηδείς (talk) 22:17, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm out of time. Unsourced claims are almost certainly from his very detailed autobiography, much of which is available on Google Books - anyone who wants to improve the citations should go there. But I certainly wouldn't call the article that bad. Blythwood (talk) 22:50, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominated by [[User:120.62.18.210 (talk) 12:45, 12 September 2015 (UTC)|120.62.18.210 (talk) 12:45, 12 September 2015 (UTC)]] ([[User talk:120.62.18.210 (talk) 12:45, 12 September 2015 (UTC)|talk]] ·[{{fullurl:User talk:120.62.18.210 (talk) 12:45, 12 September 2015 (UTC)|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5BLabour+Party+%28UK%29+leadership+election%2C+2015%5D%5D§ion=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=Labour+Party+%28UK%29+leadership+election%2C+2015&preloadparams%5b%5d=nominated}} give credit])[reply]
Nominator's comments: While it's not ITNR, such a far-left leader (possibly future PM?) as leader of a major party is quite darn notable. As the source says the first in over 30 years. Symptomatic of a system on the verge of breaking, perhaps? Another step in hyper-polarized global politics? (I imagine certain people to be scared shitless at the new Tony Benn120.62.18.210 (talk) 12:45, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There are no unusual circumstances regarding the election of Jeremy Corbyn. He was nominated by 36 members of parliament of his party, and then elected by the majority of members of his party. He is slightly more left than the average of his party, but your far-left claim is absurd - his political positions are only moderately left by continental European standards. LoveToLondon (talk) 16:15, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose a) shadow prime minister does not exist in the UK - it's leader of the opposition, which has no formal power. b) Leader of the opposition is an important role within British politics, but it carries little recognition and no power outside the Westminster bubble. For you Americans, his role is comparable to Nancy Pelosi's right now. We wouldn't post party leadership elections for any other country, even when they might one day become leader (we didn't post e.g. Mitt Romney's selection as US presidential candidate). c) He's firmly left wing, and in many respects more so than his predecessor, but he's not (by most definitions) far left. Smurrayinchester13:18, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
He is entitled to all-party meetings with your head of state and, hence, a voice there. Although would be darn interesting to see how an anti-monarchist goes about it.120.62.18.210 (talk) 13:21, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is quite a significant political development; a much bigger deal in the English-speaking world than the Guatemalan President scandal (which has been up at ITN for ages now). It's as if a maverick like Donald Trump won the Republican nomination... Andrew D. (talk) 13:56, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Probably this is a big step for him to challenge the present government. Other leadership elections didn't achieve consensus's approval, especially when David Cameron became the opposition leader in 2005. Of course, Ed Milliband's opposition leadership didn't attract consensus well. Perhaps Corbyn's Labour leadership might. --George Ho (talk) 14:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support it's an interesting one this; I strongly suspect that if Trump was elected as Republican Presidential candidate it would be posted here, so I don't see how a candidate on the other wing of politics being elected as the formal challenger for a Government of one of the major countries in the world is in any way less notable. Black Kite (talk)14:46, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely not. We've never posted the nomination of a U.S. presidential candidate by a major party (I assume that's what you're referring to, not winning the presidency), only the results of the general election. We're not gonna start because Trump. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:02, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I don't think that a political party's internal leadership election result warrant main page wikipedia news. I'm saying this as a Labour Party member and as someone who voted for Corbyn. It's not notable enough globally, it is a UK domestic story. Also it'd set a precedent. IJA (talk) 15:09, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
USA is not god almighty...and its exceptionalist comments like this making the USA the barometer that breed the anti-US comments Wikipedia gets. Anyways, criticize me away if that'll temper your reasons to see why the USA is criticized. (and I'm a fiercely proud TX son, btw)120.62.18.210 (talk) 16:27, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, one of those Bombay proxy Texans interested solely in UK Labour Party politics, I see. I don't think your actual problem is my comment. μηδείς (talk) 18:46, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose while it's parochially interesting, it's not going to change anything for now. The leader of the UK opposition party has been a joke for a while so this just changes the tune, not the theme. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:35, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support per WP:IAR. We don't usually post opposition party elections or primary results. That said this one is breathtaking. It is for Britain rather akin to the Democratic Party in the US nominating Bernie Sanders or even John Bachtell. Labour has elected a radical leftist as its standard bearer and it is getting front page attention all over the world. I am not sure we can ignore this. And yes, if either Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump (God preserve us) gets the nomination of their parties, I think we would have to post that too. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:17, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, given that this is obviously opposed, we're in a win/win situation now. Either Trump doesn't get nominated, or we don't post it if he does, per this precedent. Black Kite (talk)17:52, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This may be a domestic development (which is no reason to oppose per se), but it is global news - it is currently no. 1 in Google News Norway, no. 3 in Germany, no. 2 in France, no. 3 in the Netherlands, no. 3 in Greece, no. 2 in India among others. It has been covered extensively in other countries: it is the current lead story of Rádio e Televisão de Portugal and is a major story on the front page of this Argentinian news website. It is certainly having much more coverage than the Singaporean election and I daresay that it will have more impact than the "re-election" of Islam Karimov. This is a very unusual, as Ad Orientem put it, "breathtaking" development (and thus will set no precedent for any internal election to come), which IMHO cannot be simply dismissed as an internal leadership election with little impact - international coverage strongly suggests that this is of global interest and ITN-worthy. --GGT (talk) 18:04, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
CommentKim Kardashian's breathtaking ass was also a leading story all over the world, easily beating the coverage of Jeremy Corbyn. Either we set the precedent and add opposition leader changes to ITNR, or we do not put Jeremy Corbyn to ITN until he gets elected Prime Minister. LoveToLondon (talk) 18:27, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment not sure how it can be "breathtaking" when it's been slated as the result for the past six weeks. Labour party leadership has been in the doldrums for a while now, this is no surprise to most people who follow politics. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:19, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Election of the leader of a party that is not in government, not even change of prime minister outside of election (i.e. governing party changing leader out of election who then gets appointed prime minister). -- KTC (talk) 19:22, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is an internal election within a party which isn't even in government. To the people supporting this, have you actually stopped to think about the precedent running this would set? Something like this happens somewhere in the world almost every day. ‑ iridescent19:29, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominated by [[User:120.62.18.210 (talk) 12:45, 12 September 2015 (UTC)|120.62.18.210 (talk) 12:45, 12 September 2015 (UTC)]] ([[User talk:120.62.18.210 (talk) 12:45, 12 September 2015 (UTC)|talk]] ·[{{fullurl:User talk:120.62.18.210 (talk) 12:45, 12 September 2015 (UTC)|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5BTrinidad+and+Tobago+general+election%2C+2015%5D%5D§ion=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=Trinidad+and+Tobago+general+election%2C+2015&preloadparams%5b%5d=nominated}} give credit])[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Far more notable than that tin pot dictatorship that is singapore (yes I know ive lived there) Plus the only second PM from Tobago Not to mention the underlying racial implications in a highly diverse country...(as was in the Guyana election recently...although he did reach out to indians to break the monopolistic party of ramotar (even have a south indian pm)) \120.62.18.210 (talk) 12:45, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support as ITN/R once some more references are added. Would also be nice to have some prose on the campaign issues and the reactions to the vote. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:36, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose once again, for those voting "support, per ITNR, pending sources" are wasting time here. It's ITNR, we need to qualify it once the update and article quality are sufficient. Right now it's far from sufficient. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:09, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support once updated - the article is still talking future terse about when he returns to earth once his current mission is completed. -- KTC (talk) 19:17, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support - I like space stuff and I'm happy to see this posted, but it's just a little weird to post this now when he broke the old record in June. --Bongwarrior (talk) 19:27, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The guy in #3 is only 100 days behind and a typical expedition takes 6 months, so he would be the new recordholder if he were to go to ISS again. But it has been a slow news month too. Nergaal (talk) 19:51, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose while I'm interested in this story and I like it personally, it's not really in the news, it's not an adequately quality article, so I have to say no. Once again it's abundantly and sadly clear that some of the supporters haven't even checked the article for quality, V, BLP etc. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:12, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - record is notable indeed. ITN should give room to these kind of stories as well. and so what if he broke the previous record in June... he now has an even better record... --BabbaQ (talk) 21:54, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Burundi's army chief General Prime Niyongabo survives an assassination attempt after armed men attacked his motorcade on a busy road in the capital, Bujumbura. Six people are killed in the attack. (BBC), (The New York Times)
At least three people die, 27 are injured, and 26 people are missing, the majority of them in and around Jōsō city in Ibaraki Prefecture, as a result of floods and landslides in Japan after heavy rainfall caused by Tropical Storm Etau. (Reuters)(The Independent-UK)
U.S. District Judge Gary Feinerman sentences a Federal Aviation Administration contractor, Brian Howard, to 12 years in prison for willfully destroying a Chicago-area air navigation facility using a September 26, 2014, fire which caused $100 million in damage. (AP)
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Nominator's comments: Film pilot for several major Hollywood movies as well as the founder and president of Helinet Aviation, a company which "provides aerial surveillance technology to government agencies and law enforcement". Died in a plane crash on the set of a film. 117.192.190.21 (talk) 13:57, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Meh. I know elections are technically ITN/R, but Singapore is to all practical purposes a one-party state (opposition candidates have an awkward habit of being locked up), and I'm not sure if "result of vote goes exactly the way it was pre-scripted" is really news. Wikipedia has never really developed a policy with how we handle this kind of "election"; we had exactly the same problem with Uzbekistan (I think) a few months ago. ‑ iridescent21:39, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of it depends on news coverage, I think. Even if this technically is ITNR, if it isn't getting a decent amount of coverage in the news, we can't really say it is "in the news" and thus don't need to post it. If this was top level news around the world, it wouldn't matter that the outcome was essentially known in advance. I will say this doesn't seem like it is a top story. 331dot (talk) 22:02, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, the winner was predictable and the PAP has a lot of advantages in the political landscape, but the elections themselves are normally considered free and fair. HaEr48 (talk) 00:18, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Not a surprising result, but that has never stopped us posting such results before. It may not be top of the news, but it is certainly getting international coverage. Neljack (talk) 00:06, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support conditional on significant expansion of the article. We rarely link stubs on the front page and as it stands this one is not ready for prime time. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support once expanded – I share the same concerns as the above users. Notable event but the article needs expansion before this can be posted. A different blurb with a link to the actual article is also necessary. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Have added an altblurb and fixed the current blurb. The article has the bare minimum amount of text, but it's accurate and sourced. Support - waiting a little longer would be good but not essential. Smurrayinchester17:47, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Was going to comment on lack of article size earlier, but its clearly been expanded out, and ready to support incoming help from being ITN. Definitely the type of accident (location, timing, and numbers involved) we post for ITN. --MASEM (t) 18:49, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Widespread and destructive flooding across eastern Japan, from "unprecedented" rains. Search and rescue operations ongoing after a levee breach along the Kinugawa River in Ibaraki Prefecture. This marked the first time the river broke its banks in 66 years. At least 3 people are confirmed dead and 22 are missing; more than 90,000 people have been evacuated while more than 700,000 others have been advised to do so, including 410,000 in Sendai. Thousands of homes damaged or destroyed across the country. The Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant also spilled more contaminated water into the Pacific because of the floods. Although Tropical Storm Erika was posted recently (and only just left the main page) for its severe damage in Dominica, Etau has affected a far more developed nation and overwhelmed its extensive flood control network. Effects are widespread and disruptive and the death toll is likely to rise.
Weak support: Blurb should mention deaths. Widespread flooding and evacuations seems like a significant enough impact to merit ITN status, even if the death toll isn't overly high (which is a good thing, of course). -Kudzu1 (talk) 06:23, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support on improvements: The meteorological section just needs to get rid of that orange tag. In terms of newsworthiness I saw this yesterday on a TV but with no sound on, had come to nominate it but didn't realize it came from the tropical storm. Even if this ends up with only 3 deaths, the damage is significant. --MASEM (t) 14:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Cyclonebiskit's improvements to that section makes the article ready to go, at least for myself. (clearly room for improvement but from far unusable) --MASEM (t) 16:18, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Only 3 confirmed dead, 22 missing. In a country with a high-frequency of natural disasters, this tropical storm was, thankfully, not devastating enough to be significant international news. --Tocino07:53, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's significant in a relative sense, not a basin sense. China will always have more evacuation numbers due to the sheer size of its population. Evacuations there are almost always in the millions. Japan sees deadly/destructive storms far less frequently than other major countries in the Western Pacific. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:29, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
At least 30 people have been killed in the southeastern Turkish city of Cizre following clashes between Turkish security forces and pro-Kurdish Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) supporters. Locals say Cizre has been "under siege" since the military imposed a curfew. (BBC)
The United States Senate fails to pass a resolution blocking approval of the nuclear agreement with Iran, meaning it will be formally adopted on October 19. (New York Times)
Venezuelan opposition leader Leopoldo López is convicted and sentenced to 14 years imprisonment for allegedly inciting violence at anti-government rallies. (AP)
Nominator's comments: Lopez is described as "prominent" by both the BBC and the New York Times links above. Additionally, the sentence's length seems to make this story exceptionally significant, as does the fact that it is being covered around the world. Everymorning(talk)19:11, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Uncertain. This does seem like a notable event, but it doesn't seem surprising that Venezuela would jail its opposition leader, given the current government. I'm not yet sure how to balance those two points. 331dot (talk) 21:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sort of. We posted an item on the Maidan riots, which included Tymoshenko being freed ("Following demonstrations, the Ukrainian parliament restores the 2004 constitution and frees Yulia Tymoshenko, while Oleksandr Turchynov(pictured) becomes acting President." if you want the exact wording). The two aren't really comparable though; Tymoshenko was a former head of government of a major nation, while Lopez's only public office was as mayor of Chacao. "Opposition leader" is also stretching the truth to breaking point; while he is indeed the leader of an opposition party, it's a tiny party with all of one seat in the National Assembly, not the main opposition in any way. ‑ iridescent21:25, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Non-election related political events in Latin America tend to be ignored by ITN (with the recent exception of the events in Guatemala). If opposition leaders in the United States or Europe were sentenced to thirteen years in prison, you betcha it would be posted on ITN. The severity of this sentencing was unexpected and unprecedented even in Venezuela, despite the dubious government there. This news trended #1 worldwide on Twitter for quite awhile. --Tocino07:48, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If Barack Obama had Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, or Reince Priebus jailed on trumped up charges, it would merit posting because that doesn't typically happen in the US and would shock most of the US and world. It's different when it occurs in a country with essentially a one-party system that is hostile to opponents of it, as Venezuela has. 331dot (talk) 08:48, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I can't think of another recent instance where an opposition politician in Venezuela was jailed for more than a decade. --Tocino09:36, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose First, when the US-supported Egyptian president had the previous democratically elected president whom he had overthrown in a coup sentenced to death ITN said is sentenced to death for his role in. So the correct neutral ITN wording would be altblurb2. Second, the opposition leader claim is in reality leader of a minor opposition party. LoveToLondon (talk) 11:39, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Tocino, and objecting that this is "normal" for Venezuela smacks of patronization and historical ignorance. The article needs a good going over, however. I spent a few minutes on just the lead yesterday, and it was full of puffery and obvious POV. μηδείς (talk) 16:03, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Stale - The article states "H. naledi was discovered in 2013 in Rising Star Cave in South Africa." This news story is, shall we say, paleolithic.--WaltCip (talk) 11:27, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. A bevy of articles are about to come out about this. This represents a new Homo species and possibly pushes back the earliest instance of intentional burial, potentially making a twofer of firsts in the field of paleoanthropology.128.214.53.18 (talk) 12:01, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The finds, with multiple skeletons of a new hominid species, are spectacular. The number of fossils of this new species makes it much better known already than other species considered extremely important such as Ardipithecus with only a single fossil skeleton.·maunus · snunɐɯ·12:17, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There was almost 10 years between discovery and publication of Ardipithecus ramidus - there is a certainl correlation of the length of the lag period between discovery and publication, and the scientific robustness of claims about a discovery being a new species.·maunus · snunɐɯ·16:12, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Also notable for possibly showing first known example of ritual activity (burial at a single location)? And for being the largest number of such bones discovered in one place? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:30, 10 September 2015 (UTC)WaltCip, where have you been for the past two years - living in a cave?[reply]
Support but would suggest a blurb that would provide better context , along the lines of "a possible predecessor of homo sapians", or the like, as the word "hominid" I don't believe is necessary clear on the importance here. --MASEM (t) 14:27, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest alternative blurb: "Scientists announce the discovery of Homo naledi, a new species of early human." This avoids the passive construction, and specifies the significance of "Hominid" since this is actually classified as a member of the genus Homo - i.e. humans.·maunus · snunɐɯ·15:38, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support Because... Science, Yay! Yes, science is important and we must promote it. And anything that can add to the knowledge of evolution is an essential tool for enlightenment Tarquin Q. Zanzibar (talk) 18:52, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak Oppose - Obviously it is going to be well-covered (the British monarchy has world-wide interest) but I don't think this is an ITN item, it feels more like DYN or even a possible On This Day maybe? --MASEM (t) 00:32, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This is getting a decent amount of coverage over here in the former British colony in America. This seems to be a milestone we aren't likely to see again in our lifetime. 331dot (talk) 00:34, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose love the Monarchy, but this should have been timed for On This Day or a Featured Article. It's not really an ITN sort of thing, and what's the three-paragraph five-source updtae going to say? μηδείς (talk) 00:50, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support Honestly this feels a bit like royal trivia and normally I would probably not bite. It is debatable if this really meets ITN standards. But lately the news cycle has been drier than Death Valley in July and this is actually getting a lot of attention, so why not. It's a harmless feel good story that we can use to freshen the ITN feed, and it will give us a break from the endless run of blood and gore that seems to dominate ITN during more normal news cycles. So yeah, I will give a polite nod to the old girl. God save the Queen. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:59, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm not sure we should start posting countries' longest-serving monarchs/prime ministers/presidents. Such records do not have any substantive impact. Medeis's point about what the update would say is also a good one. Neljack (talk) 01:45, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Noting that it is featured, it was also TFA about 3 years ago. And there's almost no question that when she passes away that it will be a blurb. --MASEM (t) 01:58, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Given that Her Majesty does not view the occasion as worthy of exceptional note, I do not believe that we should be promoting stories of this sort in a time of great crisis across Europe and the Near East. RGloucester — ☎02:31, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Just because it's a "slow news period" doesn't mean we should start putting trivial, DYK-esque stories on to ITN. --Tocino04:03, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support – Straddling the border of DYK and ITN for sure...topic is of high interest to many and widely reported, but is the subject matter being covered all that notable? Arguably, it's not ITN-worthy but I share the same sentiments as Ad Orientem that there's no real harm in posting this. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 04:36, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support it is notable news if it receives international news coverage and may lead readers to linked articles and learning something new e.g. about constitutional monarchy or republicanism. Whizz40 (talk) 05:30, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I can't speak for anyone else, but I was looking at it from a content perspective rather than a policy one for DYK vs. ITN. The information conveyed is more appropriate for a DYK blurb as it's an interesting fact. It garners greater notability because of who it is and how far back the British monarchy extends. However, the article obviously can't be brought to DYK since it fails the expansion criteria. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 06:41, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. DYK isn't just a dumping ground for what ITN throws away, it actually has rules on what can be included, which continually seems to be overlooked here. GRAPPLEX07:49, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support This does not have to be posted to ITN in general, but considering that even the newest current ITN item is already 6 days old it is time for something new. LoveToLondon (talk) 07:12, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is global front page news even on sites like China Daily. The page is FA quality and is a heavy hitter – it gets more traffic on an average day than Tropical Storm Erika got at its peak. The mudslides have had their day. Andrew D. (talk) 07:59, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
May be ready, but I would suggest deferring until 17:30 BST (16:30 UTC) as that is the time accepted when she will break the record. (The precise time isn't known). — An optimist on the run! (logged on as Pek the Penguin) 08:36, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Clear consensus to post something, and most ITN items are getting stale. I'm posting original blurb now, because (a) it isn't wrong, (b) replacing a fairly long blurb with another fairly long blurb, and TFA is long, (c) shorter alt blurb was just proposed, so it would take a while to get consensus for it, and (d) the alt blurb can always be substituted in if it becomes a fan favorite post-posting, or if tomorrow's TFA is short, etc. I'm not going to have time to swap out the picture for an hour or so, if an admin skilled in main page images wants to. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:39, 9 September 2015 (UTC) (p.s. I wonder what the record is for number of times an article has been linked on the main page? QEII has been TFA, OTD a dozen times, and now ITN. Has any article hit a grand slam and been a DYK, TFA, OTD, and ITN? --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:39, 9 September 2015 (UTC))[reply]
Oppose So what? This isn't UKpedia. If she were the world's longest serving head-of-state then we could talk. Otherwise, Thailand's already surpassed that record. LavaBaron (talk) 18:56, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I do not support posting, as noted above, but if this is to be posted, I certainly cannot accept the phrase "British head of state". This sounds like a neologism or foreignism, or something. The correct term would be "British monarch". In addition, I'd argue that this should be changed to "Commonwealth monarch". Her record also applies to Canada, for instance. RGloucester — ☎19:05, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct that she's also Head of the Commonwealth (definitely not "Commonwealth monarch") but that's a secondary designation. "Monarch" or "Head of state" are better. Black Kite (talk)19:10, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak oppose at least until more reliable sources comment on this. The end of the Boko Haram insurgency is a no-brainer ITN posting, but as the nom says, the press were sorta taken in by a similar announcement last year, and I'm not seeing places like the BBC, NYTimes, or the like comment on this despite the story being > 8 hrs old. We should wait for better sourcing to support the claim to come out. Also, if this story is true [3] ( which is Bloomberg reiterating what Nigeria forces on twitter said) they also have the kingpins of BH in custody, which if also confirmed should be part of the story. --MASEM (t) 20:57, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Let's get a couple of reports citing western military/intelligence sources before we start taking Nigerian government announcements on this subject at face value. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:51, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wait: The Nigerian government should not be treated as a definitive source when we're considering posting news of this magnitude. -Kudzu1 (talk) 01:01, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wait – What one would assume to be a major achievement by the Nigerian Government and Military is not being covered by major news outlets. Makes the claim questionable at best for the time being. Leaning in favor of opposing this, but given that it could be real there's no harm waiting. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 07:38, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose No point in waiting - even the government does not claim that Boko Haram has surrendered. Even a verification of their claim that they destroyed all Boko Haram claims they knew about (their wording implies that this is likely not the same as all) would not bring that to ITN. LoveToLondon (talk) 13:07, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
U.K. Prime MinisterDavid Cameron confirms that two ISIS militants, UK citizens, Reyaad Khan and Ruhul Amin, were killed in Syria when a British drone attack hit their car on August 21, 2015. Both Khan and Amin had appeared in an ISIS recruitment video last year. They are alleged to have been plotting a terrorist attack on the UK. (BBC)(The Guardian)
New Zealand temporarily bans the sale or lending of the book Into the River by Ted Dawe, pending a review which could see the book restricted long-term. This is the first time in 22 years that a book has been restricted to this extent in New Zealand. (The Guardian)(Radio New Zealand Online)
Business and economy
German airline Lufthansa cancels 84 long-haul flights as pilots go on strike over a proposed restructure plan. (Bloomberg)
A massive sandstorm hits Lebanon and Syria as well as Jordan, Israel and Egypt. The Lebanese Health Ministry said the storm caused the deaths of two women, and sent hundreds to hospitals with breathing difficulties. Particularly hard hit were the 1.1 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon, many in flimsy tents in informal campsites. (Middle East Eye)(AP via CTV News)(Al Jazeera English Online)
During protests over a lack of mining jobs in South Africa's Limpopo province, demonstrators destroy 21 buses, a police station, and a municipal office as well as blocking roads from Lephalale to Marapong. (ENCA)
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Strong oppose This is a non-story, at least at the current stage. I can see this growing to be religious freedom vs gov't job requirements court case that could react the SCOTUS but right now, the wide coverage of this story is due to some groups using this as a pedestal for their various sides. It has little impact on the US presently, much less the world. --MASEM (t) 21:29, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose I agree with everything Masem said, and I add this: she's very likely to be going back to jail real soon. She's been released on the condition that she doesn't interfere with licensing same-sex couples to marry, and her lawyers have promised that she will. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Snowball oppose – Yeah, no. This is just the "flavor of the day" with the U.S. media. There's nothing better to talk about other than this one woman who refused to do her job because "religious rights". Nothing has been changed and nothing seems like it will change because of this. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:09, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, Huckabee was going to talk to her in jail and then rally for her freedom outside of it. His visit just coincided with a judge releasing her, so he got a photo op with her at the microphone instead. Still not gonna move him up past 4% though. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:16, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Turkish jets strike PKK militant positions across south-east Turkey and northern Iraq and deploy special forces to the Iraqi border following a deadly PKK attack which left at least 16 Turkish soldiers dead. (Reuters)
Business and economy
The patent office in IndiarejectsPfizer's petition for a patent on an arthritis drug, tofacitinib, re-affirming their rejection of the same drug in 2011. The drug is a chemical reformulation of the active compound in the medicine and thus the Indian Patent Office says that the company would have to establish that the compound for which it is seeking a patent is therapeutically more effective than the active compound. (Reuters)
Disasters and accidents
Five people are killed as a small plane crashes in western Colorado. (USA Today)
Hundreds of people, tired of waiting for promised transportation, broke out from Hungary's first migrant holding center near the Serbian border, past police overwhelmed by their numbers, to start the march north toward Budapest. The asylum seekers / migrants, now accompanied by groups of police, advanced along the edge of the main highway to the capital. (AP via Global News)
In Cass County, Missouri, a family of four is fired upon after they passed a slower vehicle, which then pulls up alongside and opens fire, hitting the father and a 2-year-old girl. Police believe the motive may have been road rage after flashing headlights. (KCTV5)
In an education scandal in Egypt, a top student, Mariam Malak, says she's a victim of corruption and fraud with the school or the examination board purposefully swapping her final exam papers with another pupil, while she is thus assigned "Zero"-grade for each of the seven subjects. 40,000 online rally for her via a Facebook support page while another top student reporting the same complaint. (BBC)
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Well-known and influential performer, director, and producer in the adult entertainment industry. Recognized in the AVN Hall of Fame, which is apparently a thing. Seems to have been at or near the top of her field, such as it is. Kudzu1 (talk) 06:15, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - For our purposes, recognition in the Porn Hall of Fame is about as useless an honor as there is - 98% of those names aren't going anywhere near the Main Page when they pass. Nothing in the article or the obits suggests she was particularly significant within the porn industry. She does appear to have been the first female director in the industry, so I guess there's that, but it seems like a pretty weak straw to grab. --Bongwarrior (talk) 06:29, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD. Article's in fine shape for appearing, and it does list her as being in two industry halls of fame, which is as good a benchmark as any. The "first female director" thing would be another qualifying factor but at the time of this comment it's not in the article and I think it would need to be to count. 86.188.148.242 (talk) 08:12, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Article doesn't seem to be in the greatest shape, but I've seen worse. It's short, but sourced. I'm also unclear on whether or not the HoF indicates she's important enough in her field. It would seem that it should? – Muboshgu (talk) 21:34, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the NYP article suggests she was famous as a friend of Annie Sprinkle and because she was shooting a now-unlikely to be released documentary on her search for the mother who abandoned her, and had died of the same cancer that eventually killed Candice herself at 64. μηδείς (talk) 21:55, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There are undoubtedly RD-worthy people in the porn field—if Ron Jeremy, Hugh Hefner or Traci Lords fell under a bus tomorrow I'd support them wholeheartedly for RD—but this one easily fails the "if I asked an expert in the subject to name the ten most important people in their field, would this person be on the list?" test. ‑ iridescent23:20, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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It's already discussed in the article talk page. As long as the article is frequently edited, registered editors would be aware of this. --George Ho (talk) 20:40, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
An Ongoing article is expected to be in a constant state of construction. There are indeed some neutrality and bias issues present, but it looks like they are actively being resolved. I would recommend keeping the article in Ongoing. Mamyles (talk) 23:44, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In Tampa, Florida, former University of South Florida football player Elkino Watson is killed and Desmon Watson, another former player, is injured after an early morning stabbing after an argument broke out outside a nightclub in Ybor City. (WFLA)
In the second police officer shooting in the city in three days, a man ambushed a marked police SUV stopped at a traffic light in Las Vegas by walking up and firing multiple rounds, striking one officer in the hand. The shooter was arrested. (Fox News)
Crystal Cortes of Dallas, Texas is charged with capital murder of dentist Kendra Hatcher on September 2. Her borrowed Jeep Cherokee was seen entering a parking garage on video. She told police she conspired with an unidentified man who paid her to drive him to the garage with the intention of robbery. (WFAA)[permanent dead link]
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Oppose it's not much more notable than any of the other races on the F1 calendar, and worse, the article itself doesn't have any prose update about the race. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:22, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – We include the Monegasque equivalent as it's part of a trio of races known among motorsport's community as the hardest of the lot. That's what separates it from the rest of the season. '''tAD''' (talk) 22:09, 6 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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