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More Chesterton Academy shenanigans

[1], any chance for a revdel and block? Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:48, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2601:201:4201:A4B0:0:0:0:0/64

That does not seem to be their comment they are editing, rather someone else's. Johnashu originally added the message saying, "now people assume that raa raa the noisy lion has a season 4", meaning they are saying other people are incorrect. The same user also edited the article, changing it from four seasons to three seasons. The IP range changed the user's talk page comment, seeming to try and make it sound like there is four seasons. The same IP range is the one who had been manually reverting my cleanup on the article last month, reinstating claims of a fourth season & reintroducing errors ([2] [3] [4]). From what I can tell, Johnashu and the range are not the same person and they are not editing their own comment. The IP range also later made an account continuing the disruptive reverts, which was ultimately blocked indefinitely.

This is not really a show I am familiar with, but when trying to cleanup the article, I had found barely any sources to help confirm anything. However, I did check Peacock and the show is indeed available on there... with just three seasons. After trying to look up/find sources to help add to the article, the only thing I could find supporting a fourth season was IMDb, which of course is not reliable. Magitroopa (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – September 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2021).

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Miscellaneous

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:44, 3 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Indian Premier League

Hi. Could you please strike out this edit? Clog Wolf Howl 17:45, 4 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Women jazz singers category

I don't know where to proper venue is to ask this question, but perhaps you can advise. Since the renaming of [[Category:Female jazz singers]] to [[Women jazz singers]], are juvenile female jazz singers intended to be excluded from the category? Or are 10-year-olds to be considered young women? The issue has come up at Baby Esther. Thanks for your consideration. Ewulp (talk) 05:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish New Year & Tachash

The Jewish year 5781 is ending soon. Would it be OK to ask that this draft article about Tachash be given as a new year present to Wikipedia's readership? Pi314m (talk) 00:11, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

At the time that this was posted, it was 1 Tishri 5782 in Jerusalem, London, and New York. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You've got mail!

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DYK for Hanneke Kappen

On 7 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hanneke Kappen, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Dutch radio and TV presenter Hanneke Kappen (pictured) presented the second Dutch radio show dedicated to heavy metal music? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hanneke Kappen. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Hanneke Kappen), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda's September corner

September songs

Omas gegen Rechts - enjoy strong women, - nice match to "yours"! I thought of Yoninah on the first day of Rosh Hashanah. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rich Main page today: first TFA by promising author, pictured DYK by my friend LouisAlain who is discouraged by an AN discussion, and one of the Recent deaths. Enjoy! - The promising author is also mentioned (at least indirectly) here (pending unblock request), in case you have time for "in dubio pro reo" even against odds. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:43, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for Clara Leiser! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

today: the day of bold red and black, for Dante who died 700 years ago, and Peter Fleischmann who died recently, leaving us films full of vision. Dante: just heard Inferno, imagined by a woman, the main character both speaking and singing with an inner 4-part voice! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Whitman and Lincoln (updated(again))

Hi Drmies, thought you might be interested to hear that Walt Whitman and Abraham Lincoln just passed FAC. I'll see what I can do with the remaining four articles in the topic... Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 12:44, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Holy moly Eddie891, you are just a FA writing machine. Thanks for the note. Congratulations, and thank you for contributing this quality content. Drmies (talk) 14:57, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Eddie891, that was a pretty quick and smooth review. Well done. I'm in awe, really. Drmies (talk) 13:51, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks Drmies, it means a lot, especially coming from an editor I greatly admire (yourself). Most of the credit should really goes to those around me, who were so kind in helping me prepare the article for FAC. I couldn't have done it without such a great community. In fact, your encouragement in early January caught me at a time go I was feeling really stressed out and demotivated on-wiki and really helped me get the energy to continue the project. Thanks for that and for not minding the past couple updates I've posted over here-- it makes a world of difference to feel like someone's noticing your content. Best wishes Eddie891 Talk Work 02:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks! That's really nice to hear, though I feel I don't deserve it. I did see, in the review and elsewhere, that others worked on the article too, but that's exactly the way it should be done. And sometimes when I'm not feeling it, Uncle G drops by or some other editor and nudges me this way or that, or I see something that makes me go "yeah, we should do more of that", and that gets me going again. I had a pretty long slew of lynching-related articles and since then I've not been feeling it, but I've also been busy with other things. (Just now, a whole bunch of discussion posts in an online class, about the poetry of Anne Bradstreet.) But one of the things that always makes me feel better is being part of a community that produces quality stuff like you and so many others do, and some of those editors drop by on this page every now and then, and then I have faith in the world again. So thanks again for doing all this good work: thousands and thousands of readers, of students and teachers, all kinds of people benefit from it. Drmies (talk) 03:12, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

sep 2012 not helpful

you put a wrong comment on my page about 1 article it wasnt helpful

also

oh you claimed that "consists mainly of" was wrong,

but this is incorrect, you didnt even do your research and you said that this was wrong

you also make the article better, and all you did was remove this phrase without asking or anything GovGuide (talk) 02:23, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to tweak your archiving parameters ... (?)

Hi Drmies, I for one have a hard time following your talkpage via watchlist because most all of the edits now are done by Lowercase sigmabot (so that's what shows up on my watchlist), which cleans the page much more often than anyone else's -- often every single day. People would better know what was going on your talk if you changed the "minthreadstoarchive" to a higher number than "1", which is where it is at now. At a higher number the bot wouldn't archive every single day, but would wait until there were at least that number which needed archiving. Seems like your talkpage used to be a more talkative place; now I think things are archived before some people see it on their watch lists because the biggest participant on your talk is the bot. If you catch my drift. In any case, just thought I'd make that suggestion, which you can ignore. Softlavender (talk) 07:23, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Softlavender, any drop-off in excitement is probably completely my own doing--I used to have more interesting ideas than I do now, and I feel like there are so many things (meta things, policy things, technical things) that are going way over my head. I don't use watchlists myself so I don't know what shows up and how, though I do know that archiving is not signaled for me as a new talk page message/edit by Echo (I think it's Echo that does that, these notifications?). I didn't set up the archive myself: I used to do it by hand but a kind soul set it up for me. I didn't even see that it archived every day, but looking at the (recent) history I see that you're right. I really don't care one way or the other, and you're welcome to change it for me to whatever you think is right. One week, two weeks, a month, that's all fine--thanks! Drmies (talk) 14:18, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • OK, I slowed it down slightly. Thanks! You don't use a watchlist??? How does one operate on wiki without a watchlist? Softlavender (talk) 01:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Alright, let's see how that goes. Watchlist? We don't need no freaking watchlists! I looked at it one time and deleted everything on it, years ago. I just looked: it says "You have 37,387 pages on your watchlist". Yeah, I'm not going to check that. Thanks for the tweak! Drmies (talk) 01:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, right now I'm going to one-click archive the posts on this TP that lack normal date-stamps, because the bot will never archive them and some of them are from ages and ages ago. You gave me this permission at some point previously, but now there are more of the offending posts. Softlavender (talk) 06:20, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you clear the watchlist piecemeal, the server won't time out. Softlavender (talk) 04:46, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also of note is the fact that, since several months ago, items put on watchlist (or auto-added by tools such as Twinkle) are not permanently on your watchlist unless you choose that option. So, if you place a Twinkle-warning on a vandal's TP, that page will fall off of your watchlist at some point (which I haven't determined but brighter minds than me might know). Softlavender (talk) 01:24, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That bit of clothing that fits between your feet and shoes...

Here is an account that was new in late August yet seems to understand how to do things around here, ButterSlipper [5]. Perhaps a child of SkepticAnonymous? Anyway, just doesn't seem quite right. Hope all is well! Springee (talk) 04:41, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) He does an endless amount of (misused) wikilawyering and policy-linking. Either he's merely getting better at being endlessly disruptive and searching for policies to faux-quote, or he is a you-know-what. In the past four days since his last block expired, he has been endlessly disruptive -- battleground statements and PAs, faux wikilawyering, and IDHT, across many pages and at many people, over one single issue (which is a subset of his overarching raison d'etre on wiki, which is pushing a pro-Communist agenda). The things that mitigate against his possibly being a sp are the facts that he didn't learn to create a diff until today, and he still doesn't know how to do a ping (he uses square brackets and thus they don't work). Cheers. Softlavender (talk) 05:03, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pardon me ma'am, for "casting nasturtiums"

DYK for Clara Leiser

On 11 September 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Clara Leiser, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that American journalist and activist Clara Leiser traveled to Nazi Germany frequently, and documented the plight of families of political prisoners? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Clara Leiser. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Clara Leiser), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Third opinion

Hello Drmies, may I ask you for a third opinion? There is a request for help from Aziyade Gil on my talk page. Since I am the same opinion, I addressed the user concerned on his talk page. Unfortunately with no success. Catalans are actually no ethnic group and therefore they should be considered Spaniards. At Basques, UK (Welsh - Scottish), Kurds, etc., the corresponding, partly for nationalist reasons, will be revised immediately. I hope you can help there or correct my opinion. Many thanks in advance --Serols (talk) 14:39, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hey Serols--it may be that you asked the wrong person. First of all, I will tell you that I am not actually sure what policy dictates here, if anything. I do know that we see English, Scottish, Welsh etc. as adjectives before people and their professions, and I'm sure you've seen that too. Personally, I am really not in favor of fetishizing nationality over ethnicity or whatever one wants to call it: reality is always more complicated than the labels. I have seen "Catalan" in various articles over the years and I've not felt the urge to replace it--but I'll freely admit that I am less inclined to give "Quebeqcois" the same status. I myself am probably not consistent with these appellations, and it matters considerably per region and per time period. In many parts of Africa, ethnicity matters more than nationality; in some articles in some contexts it's more important to say "African American" rather than "American". Whether in this case "Catalan" is less clear to an international audience is a valid question, though one could counter that the wikilink helps with that.

    I'm not sure what you mean with the Basque, Kurdish, etc. examples--are you saying that "Kurdish" gets reverted to "Turkish" for nationalist reasons? But Abdullah Öcalan is described as Kurdish (and see Talk:Abdullah_Öcalan/Archive_2#Nationality_and_ethnicity_confusing.). Of course doing this in Balkan territory is a huge can of worms, so let's stay out of that for now. Anyway, I think these matters should be handled carefully. I do not think nationality or citizenship should override ethnicity, and to that extent I disagree with MOS:ETHNICITY (which doesn't unequivocally mandates mention of nationality, but leans towards it), but it seems that most editors do follow that guideline.

    Some of the complications and the nationalist/ethnic interests are evident in Danilo Kiš. In 2013 he was "Serbian" and "Yugoslav", whatever that means. I kept that, maybe against my better judgment, but since he was a writer I thought his language was more important. I agree with this edit, which indicates how complicated the matter is. Here he was Montenegrin for a while, here he becomes Serbian again, here I'm making my fetish point again (I'm a broken record, but I try to be consistent), and this is based on what I know about him. Here is the fetishization of language, and this will return a few times--what's the point. Here is the return of the nationalists. I agree with this change, back to Yugoslav, though I wonder what the edit summary means. And here, after "Serbian" was reintroduced, the language is removed. It's very tiresome, and in the last few years "Catalan" has also become contentious--but in that case, I'd not bother myself with it. That's not good advice in terms of our guidelines, maybe, but it is what I would do. Good luck. Drmies (talk) 16:30, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just happened to be passing by and I would say that you should respect how people view themselves. I only looked at one example [6], imposing a Spanish identity on someone who identifies themselves as Catalan is rather rude and an example of the very nationalism you seem to be railing against. On a more serious point, the appeal for help seems to an outsider as an example of vote stacking, where you have ganged up with other editors to impose your view. Personally I would be included to revert you but I can't be bothered to argue over nationalism, which I consider a pox on wikipedia. WCMemail 16:40, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
User:Wee Curry Monster, I appreciate you stopping by: I like company. But please don't sling mud at Serols, who came here, I don't doubt it for a moment, to ask for a third opinion. First of all, they're not getting involved in any conflict that I know of where a vote (or "vote") of mine would matter--and Serols is not known for holding such debates. Second, I don't think that Serols had any kind of way of knowing which way I would lean, and if they thought I'd simply say "yeah sure revert", they were certainly disappointed--but I don't think that is what they were looking for. Serols, rather, is an editor of the status quo, not a rebel of some sort. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Drmies, I could add a sigh emoticon but I always feel they're a little twee but instead I'll draw your attention to the note at the top of my talk page. It's all too easy to infer a meaning not intended to communication in text as we lose the context of non-verbal communication. I didn't intend to sling mud at anyone OK. I don't for one moment think they were asking you to take action, I know you wouldn't, I would imagine they knew that too. But I will draw your attention to the fact that another editor came to their talk page and from an outsider it seemed a fairly blatant attempt to involve them in a revert war; sadly Serols did act on that solicitation. So as I said it had the appearance of vote stacking even if that were not their intention. My wording was probably clumsy and for that I apologise but mud slinging wasn't my intention. However, as someone of Basque/Scottish heritage I do understand the frustration and irritation when someone imposes labels upon you. WCMemail 07:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello User:Wee Curry Monster, I think you did not understand what it's about. Wikipedia is an Enzklopedy which must be neutral. Here's an example: The Kurds live in 3 different states, Turkey, Iran and Syria. To write in nationality he is Kurd is nonsense. He is either Turk, Iranian or Syrians from the ethnic group of Kurds. For the example of Catalans: All Catalans have a Spanish passport, paying to Spain their taxes and get their pension of Spain. They are legally all Spaniards. There are virtually daily attempts to change nationality in Kurds or Catalons, which is definitely wrong. Nothing else is here. Regards --Serols (talk) 15:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But Serols, the larger question is what was being edited, and what does that mean. Is this edit about nationality? Ethnicity? Regional identity? And MOS:ETHNICITY doesn't mandate nationality: "In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory, where the person is a citizen, national, or permanent resident"--so this edit would pass that test. But the most important question, for me, is why nationality (citizenship, residency) is favored over ethnicity. What is more important for Ocalan? That he is a legal resident or whatever of Turkey, or that he is a Kurd born in Turkey who is fighting for an independent Kurdistan? Nationality is no more "neutral" than, for instance, ethnicity--or, if it is, it's only in the sense that it's more easily documented. And I don't think we're talking about clearly defined infobox parameters here, are we? Drmies (talk) 16:32, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Drmies, at Antoni Gaudí I was also asked - see here, please note my answer. I personally prefer this editing, that's correct neutral and would fit for all ethnic groups in the corresponding states. In my opinion, neutral Ocalan is a Turk with Kurdish background. Regards --Serols (talk) 17:32, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No that wouldn't necessarily be more neutral or more correct and could well be favouring a non-neutral POV. To put it into a sharp perspective I would invite you to a Glasgow pub to tell the assembled throng that they are British with a Scottish background. How long do you think you'd be alive afterward? WCMemail 17:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello User:Wee Curry Monster, that's exactly what needs to be prevented in Wikipedia and nobody needs - Nationalism. --Serols (talk) 18:17, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I fear the point about nationalism is going over your head, its as much nationalist editing to deny someone their Catalan heritage and insist they be labeled Spaniard. Think about it. WCMemail 19:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Drmies, thank you for your detailed explanation, you helped me a lot. Wish you a nice week --Serols (talk) 17:12, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edits by 93.143.125.29

This is very complicated but somehow I ended up trying to give advice to this IP because he felt you were attacking him. Which edits were the problem? This person's edits look good to me.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:22, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

have sent an email

In a moment, anyways - please have a look if you are able - trust you are well and in good working order at your end

JarrahTree 08:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

HaughtonBrit

Since you've been active on the case before, could you take a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/HaughtonBrit please? It relates to an open report at AN3, so an early resolution will be best I feel. Thank you. FDW777 (talk) 15:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Taking "ANI 2.0" literally

Hi, Doc. When I returned to editing last year, I vowed I wouldn't file at ANI if I could ever help it. And yet I'm in a situation where an account has done something above the paygrade of AIV but not fit for any specialized venue. As the (tragic) creator of WP:ANI 2.0, I thus feel within my rights to come bother you and/or your talk-page stalkers with this:

All the best -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 18:55, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Floquenbeam--that's DR. ANI2.0, haha. Did I miss anything exciting? I was making squash, stuffed with sausage and kale. Drmies (talk) 00:18, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You know, you came up in conversation with a few wiki-friends the other day, and not one but three said that it had taken them years to realize it wasn't /dərmaɪz/ dər-MIZE. So maybe Floq is like them and just never realized it's "Dr" as in "Dr". And no, nothing exciting, other than someone showing a decent way to speedrun an indef without vandalizing. (P.S. Thanks for finally getting Samay Raina the indef semi it needed. I think I've reverted close to 400 edits there now, across its gaps in protection.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It came up at my RfA! Floquenbeam is an old man, older than me, and should know everything better. (I follow Raddad on Instagram and I'm sure he's in half the photos.) As for that article, sure thing: there's quite a few for which that is necessary, and I have no qualms at all about infinite semi-protection.

You said "tragic"--I'm glad you're here so I can share tragedy too: Turgut Alp is leaving Kayi tribe and the service of Ertugrul. I can understand it (the death of Aykiz haunts him, of course, and then to lose Wild Demir, it's enough to make any person break), and it's true that Ertugrul, now in his 174th episode, is becoming a bit of a ... zealot? but still, it's sad--really, it's tragic. He won't even stay for Mother Hayme! Thanks for listening--I appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 02:43, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... are you okay? Do you need the real kind of doctor?
(P.S. Might I interest you in {{pb}}? I know MW auto-closes the <p> but I can't help but twitch at it. More broadly, you may be interested in my additions to WP:*: a few months ago, regarding such things. Improvements welcome, as I'm not sure my advice for this exact scenario was the optimal answer.) -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 07:29, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No more trolling

Hey, I'm that user you blocked for 1 week due to trolling. I've learned a lesson and I'll never do this again. Thank you. KnowledgeMastermind (talk) 08:41, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think my vision is getting cloudy after reading too many pages. Did I just read above: "Hi, I'm back and don't want more attention, but I decided to ask for more anyway" ? - jc37 11:31, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me? No, I don't want attention, all I said was that I learned a lesson about why you shouldn't be trolling on Wikipedia, I got a 1 week block for that, I said I have actually changed. KnowledgeMastermind (talk) 12:30, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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