Talk:Barry Bonds

misleading intro, looks biased

Bonds admittted to using steroids, only that he didn't know they were steroids at the time. The intro conflates two different issues: number one: his using steroids which is NOT alleged but factual, with 2. allegations he LIED under oath about such usage. The lies are alleged, but his steroid usage is not. Completely NPOV. Where is the untro mention of the actual steroid use which he has mentioned?66.190.29.150 (talk) 13:30, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Entire intro has a massive pro-Bonds anti-truth bias. The man is a cheater, a liar, and a criminal. All of these are objective facts and should be mentioned. Wetman88 (talk) 17:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

thanks for sharing your opinion. however, this is wikipedia, not wikipinion. if you have some material from WP:RS to contribute, please do. but spouting your opinions here isn't helpful. for example, bonds has not been convicted of any crime, therefore by simple logic, he is not a criminal until such time as he is. your opinion that he is so is noted. but meaningless to this article. Anastrophe (talk) 17:58, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Major premise: Taking steroids is cheating (MLB rules) Minor Premise: Barry Bonds admits to taking steroids. Conclusion: Barry Bonds is a cheater.

Major premise: Saying something that isn't true is lying. Minor Premise: Barry Bonds untruthfully said that he had not taken steroids. Conclusion:Barry Bonds is a liar.

Major premise: People are indicted by federal grand juries for committing crimes. Minor premise: Barry Bonds was indicted by a federal grand jury. Conclusion: Barry Bonds is a criminal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wetman88 (talk • contribs) 18:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

highly recommend not pursuing a degree in law. an indictment does not make him a criminal.Anastrophe

And an acquittal does not make him innocent of the crime, it just means he was not convicted. p.s. Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Jrgilb (talk) 04:28, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

(talk) 18:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Barry Bonds has never admitted to knowingly taking steroids. There is no proof, other than that he got a little bigger since his early 20's. I have also gotten bigger since my early 20's, does that mean that I have taken steroids? Innocent until proven guilty, kids. Undervenued (talk) 18:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Public opinion clearly supports the notion that Bonds deliberately juiced for many years, and the circumstantial evidence of Bonds' cheating is overwhelming. His performance trajectory -- natural career arc until 1999 (basically, a rich man's Eddie Murray), when it bends back upward in a freakish manner for the remainder of his playing career -- is a smoking gun, just like it is for Clemens. His growing hat size -- canteloupe grows into a watermelon -- is another smoking gun. His obituary will mention the words steroids and non-Hall of Famer in the first sentence. Suggest that contributors stop trying to whitewash this jackass, and find "reliable sources" that tell the true story of his career, which is well known and not really debated by anyone except Bonds' family members and sycophants. Jrgilb (talk) 04:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Cheating:

1. "Barry Bonds:Cheater" from CBS, yea I kinda think that is reliable. [1]
2. "Dear Barry Bonds, You are either an outright cheater or very stupid" from the USA Today [2]
3. "Yes, Barry Bonds is a cheater. He is a cheater of the worst sort" [3]

Lying:

1. "It's clear, Barry Bonds' a liar" New York Daily News, another pretty freakin' reliable source. [4]
2. "Barry Lamar Bonds is a bad man" Baseball Digest [5]
3. "but Bonds is a liar, a cheater, a whiner and a bad influence on America's youth" Mark Barnes —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wetman88 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

You can't tell me that you believe everything that you read. Who are you, David St. Hubbins from Spinal Tap? Just because some horrible reporter from the New York Daily News says something, doesn't make it fact.

all of which are opinion pieces. not reliable sources for claims of fact. what's your hurry? if bonds ends up being convicted of lying, cheating, etc, then it can go in the article. until then, your opinions are noted, but not admissible to this WP:BLP.Anastrophe (talk) 18:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I've been reading this article and a lot about baseball (actually I have some questions about wins and runs that I'd like answered, but anyway) and I can't believe that the word cheat isn't mentioned in this article once. The man is involved in a trial and it has been asserted by numerous individuals who had no reason to lie that he has taken illegal steroids to gain an unfair advantage over his peers and gone to extreme lengths to cover it up and deny it. It seems that the article is attempting to whitewash the fact that he violated the rules and turn it into something were the steroids just slowed down his ageing and kept him good. He's been publcly labelled a cheat numerous times and there is considerable controversy about it, which this article goes to great lengths to minimise. 86.8.176.85 (talk) 05:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

He isn't involved in a trial. People always have reason to lie: personal gain. These people could be placing all of their heat onto Barry to take it away from others, or even themselves. There is no thing as a selfless act. Undervenued (talk) 18:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

No evidence? This entire page is literally so bias lol. This is literally the prime example of why Wikipedia isn’t viewed as a credible source by universities. Barry Bonds has admitted to unknowingly using steroids. That is a fact. It’s not an allegation or a suspicion. Just because he unknowingly took them, doesn't mean he didn’t take them. Joeblacko (talk) 06:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2020

it dosent state anything about his ingle season record of, 73 24.216.125.132 (talk) 12:50, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:28, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

"He holds many MLB hitting records, including most career home runs (762), most home runs in a single season (73, set in 2001) and most career walks.[9]" ... Bonds's slugging percentage was a major league record .863[72] (411 total bases in 476 at-bats), and, most impressively, he ended the season with a major league record 73 home runs.[73]" ... "On October 4, by homering off Wilfredo Rodríguez in the 159th game of the season, Bonds tied the previous record of 70 set by Mark McGwire – which McGwire set in the 162nd game in 1998.[74] He then hit numbers 71 and 72 the following night off Chan Ho Park. Bonds added his 73rd off Dennis Springer on October 7.[74]" – Muboshgu (talk) 15:37, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Reggie's cousin?

The trouble with the often repeated claim that Barry Bonds and Reggie Jackson are cousins, distant or otherwise, is that Reggie himself doesn’t know about it. In his book Going Yard: The Everything Home Run Book, Lew Freedman writes:

“Reggie Jackson, whom Bonds claims as a distant cousin even though Jackson could never figure out through what family tree...[said]...‘He swears we’re related, that my family’s somehow related to his mother. He says it all the time. I finally decided it’s fine.’ “

With all due respect to your citation from the Encyclopædia Britannica, I should think Reggie would know. In any event, genealogies involve real people, who have names. I'd like to see some. 71.162.113.226 (talk) 02:42, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12th February 2022

Under Bonds' career distinctions, he is listed as sharing the record for most home runs in a single postseason with 8. This record was broken by Randy Arozarena when he hit 10 home runs in the 2020 postseason. (https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=arozara01&t=b&post=1#6-25-sum:batting_gamelogs_post)

The text "Home runs in a single post-season (8), 2002" should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.91 (talk) 18:28, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done In the 2002 post season, he and Beltran held the record. This information should not be removed, because this doesn't imply that they still hold the record, just that they held it at that time: [6]. Thanks, Heartmusic678 (talk) 16:37, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Bias on steroid wording

Barry Bonds using steroids isn’t an allegation or a suspicion. He and his lawyer have admitted to it under oath. They admitted to unknowingly using steroids. Just because he “unknowingly” used them doesn’t mean that he didn’t use them. Joeblacko (talk) 06:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)