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Interhouse competitions

Who was the winner in 2002?

Haven't a clue, really can't remember, probably Wyatt Mbthegreat 22:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Copyrights

CWL, I am unsure about the copyrights, but here are the sources:

The Latymer school homepage is down at the moment, so I cannot provide the addresses for the the remaining images.Minglex 10:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

School song

There is no indication of copyright on the school's official site

wouldnt really take that as a source mate Mbthegreat 17:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bazaar

The section on Garbett reads: "This led to the annual Dolbé-Keats Bazaar charity event for the first time". Surely the strike lead to the cancelation of the bazaar for the first time. I tried to correct this, but it was changed back immediately. What's going on?

It got mixed up with vandalism; there shouldn't be a problem with changing it back nowMinglex 13:00, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

awkward prose

could we make the beginning of the article a bit more awkward please, perhaps we could crowbar in 'bastion' as well as 'canon' somewher

Rude Ness

Who vandelized this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.138.6.10 (talk) 19:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

HURR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.242.151.45 (talk) 18:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Admissions figures - Exam procedures section

The article states that about 18,000 pupils enter each year.

This is absurd - the school has 1400 students in total. What's the real number? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.149.203.91 (talk) 02:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This year around 2,000 people entered the first round, and 500 made it to the second stage (numbers approx). I assume your source was out by a power of 10 Derekman99 (talk) 18:02, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

School website

It seems that the school website have gone through an overhaul, therfore a lot of the reference links are dead and will be removed. They need to be replaced by the reference from the new school website at the same domain. --Ieatyou1 (talk) 16:12, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Copy / paste

Looks like much of this has been taken from the school's website, sometimes edited to make it make less sense.

Current version of the article has "Pupils were educated in "God's true religion" and reading English to the age of thirteen at existing petty schools. The boys had to wear the red Latymer cross on their sleeves and were under a duty to carry out the provisions of his will "unto the end of the world"."

The first sentence doesn't make sense, and I think the second half of the second sentence refers to the trustees rather than the pupils. In any case this seems to have been copied from the school's website, which has "In return for being educated to the age of thirteen at a "petty school" the boys had to wear the red Latymer cross on their sleeves. The trustees are under a duty to carry out the provisions of his will "unto the end of the world."". Tacyarg (talk) 20:00, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And none of that is encyclopedic content - sourced or unsourced, paraphrased or copy pasted. It's just a bunch of meaningless rhetoric. We publish facts, paraphrased from reliable secondary sources. Period. John from Idegon (talk) 20:30, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Issue with list of notable former pupils

WP:ALUMNI states that in lists of notable former pupils ‘Individual alumni need a citation to [...] verify that they did indeed attend the school’. That being the case, the following entries in the list currently seem problematic (in the order in which they appear in the current article)…

  • Ankers, long source about ‘Women in Horror Films’, I’ve not read it all, but it seems unlikely to note the schools which individuals attended. If it does mention Latymer then a page reference will be needed.
  • Ashitey, dead link.
  • Coster - does mention Latymer, but the link is to imdb, a non-WP:RS source. [already removed by user Scope Creep]
  • Scott, seems to be a dead link.
  • Woods, no citation.
  • Kamall, source does not mention Latymer.
  • Meltzer, too long, didn’t read.
  • Sarkar, no citation.
  • Walder, link is to the Wikipedia article for the ‘Times Guide to the House of Commons’ (no mention of either Walder or Latymer in that article). If Walder is mentioned in the book referred to, and it confirms that he went to Latymer, a page reference will be needed (and also edition number?).
  • Abrams, dead link?
  • Horlock, dead link.
  • Jolly, entry is a blog (non-WP:RS) and does not seem to mention Latymer.
  • Haynes, dead link (and an apparently unusual source. If someone as well-known as England captain Johnny Haynes went to Latymer then surely this is well documented at places other than ‘North Middlesex Referees’? If it isn't then there is a problem with the claim.).
  • Warburton, Latymer apparently not mentioned in link (and, note, Warburton is no longer the manager of QPR).
  • Chatto, no citation.
  • Blake, no citation.
  • Holtam, no citation.
  • North, no citation.
  • Rolls, no citation.

There are also a couple of citations to the webpages of the individuals concerned, which (if my understanding is correct) would not count as WP:RS under normal circumstances, but might be okay in this sort of situation. Axad12 (talk) 16:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking at this and setting it out here. I have added refs for Holtam and North. Can't immediately find a reliable source for Rolls. Will go through the others as I have opportunity, and update here. Tacyarg (talk) 16:58, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Chatto and Blake done. Tacyarg (talk) 21:12, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looked again at North. He actually attended Latymer Upper School, not this school. Have removed him. Tacyarg (talk) 22:14, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New ref for Warburton, but haven't updated the description of him. Tacyarg (talk) 09:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New ref for Haynes. Cannot find ref for Jolly. Tacyarg (talk) 17:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only links I can find for Jolly are on the School's website and social - see https://www.facebook.com/latymerlinks/posts/we-regret-to-announce-the-death-of-brian-binding-on-26th-december-2020-brian-was/3586807344765858/?paipv=0&eav=AfZQlOlHwjSiIVbdPkRXh_VJx5lTLzNg4rOfqMyNB3PZV5GC9OIBisCq3vXodTRmmcY&_rdr three posts from the bottom (not sure of the access). She was at the school with my brother-in-law (I know, not a citation). Stephen Way (talk) 10:16, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Citation for Ashitey - https://kids.kiddle.co/Clare-Hope_Ashitey (I won't edit as a COI) Stephen Way (talk) 10:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Additional citation for Tim Pope - https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/tim-pope-a-pupil-at-latymer-grammar-school-in-london-and-news-photo/1314622607 (Very definitely a COI as I'm in the photo). Stephen Way (talk) 10:09, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Issue with the start of this article

WP:WPSCHOOLS/AG#NPOV states that 'it is especially important [in articles about schools] to avoid vague praise'. As an example of this it gives "School X has consistently been ranked as one of the top public high schools in both the state and country."

The second sentence of this article currently reads "Latymer is one of the top state-funded schools in the country", which seems to be contrary to the relevant guideline.

As a general observation here, elsewhere in the article it states that the most recent Ofsted grade for this school (2022) was 'Good' rather than 'Outstanding'. Does that not bring into question the claim to be 'one of the top state-funded schools in the country'? For example, how many state-funded schools in the UK hold a better Ofsted grade than 'Good'?

In fairness, the article also states that in 2019 the school was rated 'as the top co-educational state school in London and fifth co-educational state secondary school in the UK'. That does appear to substantiate the claim (at least re: the situation in 2019), but does it agree with the more recent Ofsted grade? Even if the claim can be substantiated, however, the guideline seems clear in saying that the form of wording currently used in the article is inappropriate. Axad12 (talk) 17:04, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Upon re-reading I see that the article actually says 'According to league tables, Latymer is one of the top state-funded schools in the country'. That is certainly less vague, but would some citation be useful? Axad12 (talk) 17:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "league table" results the article refers to is apparently Parent Power, published by the Sunday Times. I'd update that section to reflect the most current rankings (seems like a reasonable RS to me), but it's behind a paywall, unfortunately. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 18:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that you were correct to remove the claim from the article.
The school’s own website (which presumably is up to date) states ‘Our results place us in the top 10% of co-educational schools nationally’.
I therefore wonder if the current ‘League Table Results’ section in WP article inadvertently gives a false impression through lack of an update (i.e. ‘In 2019, Latymer was listed […] as the top co-educational state school in London and fifth co-educational state secondary school in the UK’).
It wouldn’t be ideal to introduce a non-independent source. However, it might be helpful (for the sake of balance) if the quote from the school’s website was introduced to the ‘League Table Results’ section. E.g.: ‘As at 2024, the school’s own website stated that its results place it in the “top 10% of co-educational schools nationally”.[plus link]’. Any thoughts? Axad12 (talk) 06:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I updated the league table section with the most current data, was able to log into The Times. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 16:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks - the school is actually the top co-ed state school in London - the six above it are smaller single-sex schools. Stephen Way (talk) 10:06, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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