Wikipedia:Requested moves

For requested mergers, see Wikipedia:Proposed mergers. For removals, see Wikipedia:Guide to deletion.

Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.

Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

• Technical reasons may prevent a move; for example, a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves.
• Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
• A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
• A page should not be moved and a new move discussion should not be opened when there is already an open move request on a talk page. Instead, please participate in the open discussion.
• Unregistered and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus to move the page is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will carry out the request. If there is a consensus not to move the page, the request will be closed as "not moved". When consensus remains unclear, the request may be relisted to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion may be closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

• Making an uncontroversial move – if you can, be bold and do it yourself! If you can't, see § Requesting technical moves.
• Renaming a category – propose the move at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.
• Renaming a stub template – propose the move at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion.
• Renaming an image or other file – see Wikipedia:Moving a page § Moving a file page.
• Moves from draft namespace or user space to article space – Unconfirmed users: add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the article. See Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Confirmed users: Move the page yourself.
• Merging two articles – make a request at Wikipedia:Proposed mergers, or be bold and do it yourself.
• Splitting an article – make a request at Wikipedia:Proposed article splits, or be bold and do it yourself.
• Requesting that page histories be merged – list them at Wikipedia:Requests for history merge.
• Contesting a move request close – use the Wikipedia:Move review process.

Undiscussed moves

Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

• No article exists at the new target title;
• There has been no previous discussion about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
• It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with a prior bold move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move yourself. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Uncontroversial proposals

Only list proposals here that are clearly uncontroversial but require administrator help to complete (for example, spelling and capitalization fixes). Do not list a proposed page move in this section if there is any possibility that it could be opposed by anyone. Please list new requests at the bottom of the list in this section and use {{subst:RMassist|Old page name|Requested name|Reason for move}} rather than copying previous entries. The template will automatically include your signature. No edits to the article's talk page are required.

If you object to a proposal listed here, please re-list it in the #Incomplete and contested proposals section below.

• Paul Moriarty (rugby) → Paul Moriarty (dual code rugby) — As before, slight tweak on the rename per request. — Londo06 05:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• David Watkins (rugby) → David Watkins (dual code rugby) — As before, slight tweak on the rename per request. — Londo06 05:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Andrew Walker (rugby) → Andrew Walker (dual code rugby) — As before, slight tweak on the rename per request. — Londo06 05:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
• Keep A Child Alive → Keep a Child Alive — Caps, latter redirects to former — —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Babylon 5 Novels, novelizations, short stories, and comic books → Babylon 5 novels, short stories and comic books — Another editor performed a move of the former to the latter (quite rightly), but only did a cut-and-paste job, therefore leaving the editing history of the article in that of the now-redirected original title. To retain full compliance with GDFL, this history should accompany the article at the new title. — Steve ^{T • C} 07:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Incomplete and contested proposals

With the exception of a brief description of the problem or objection to the move request, please do not discuss move requests here. If you support an incomplete or contested move request, please consider following the instructions above to create a full move request, and move the discussion to the "Other Proposals" section below. Requests that remain incomplete after five days will be removed.

• Mike + the Mechanics (1985 album) → Mike + The Mechanics (1985 album) — Caps, latter redirects to former —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC) — —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:37, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Or to Mike and the Mechanics (1985 album), and Mike + The Mechanics to Mike and the Mechanics? (WP:MOSTM) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Sure Wherever the band name ends up, the two albums (1985 and 1999) should have the same name. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Their 1999 album's article is currently at Mike + The Mechanics (1999 album). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

• Yan Zi (tennis) → Yan Zi — The latter already redirects to the former. Chanheigeorge (talk) 10:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Or Yan Zi (disambiguation) to Yan Zi? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Office of Fair Trading → Office of Fair Trading (United Kingdom) —(Discuss) — As per the example of National Audit Office, distinction should be made for institutions which carry the same name, as far as English language is concerned, across several countries. A disambiguation page under OFT already exists, and it indicates that there is an "Office of Fair Trading" also in Australia and Malta, aside from the United Kingdom. While an article is not yet written on the two former ones (and Australia's is structurally different, state-based rather than national), the subject matter will be better encircled for the future if a distinction is made by this time on each Office. -- Cretanforever (talk) 17:12, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Incomplete. JPG-GR (talk) 18:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• KBKO (AM) → KBKO — Several call signal changes via FCC which now leaves KBKO (AM) as the only station by that name. Please delete the current KBKO page for the move, preserving the correct history by GFDL. — Latics 23:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I disagree with this move. KBKO-FM just changed yesterday and people will still be typing in "KBKO" looking for the recently moved station and not be able to find it. IMHO it should remain a disambiguate page pointing to the AM station and the former KBKO-FM. That's how we generally handle these types of situations. RobDe68 (talk) 00:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
    • I truthfully don't know how to handle this type of situation as I've just recently become a part of it. But I suppose we have the {{for}} template for a reason. Surely this would be sufficient to place at the top of the (AM) page, similar to my edit here. Latics 08:27, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• Volumes 1 & 2 → The Desert Sessions, Volumes 1 & 2 - {Discuss}
  • And likewise other pages whose names start with "Volume" listed in Special:WhatLinksHere/Volumes 1 & 2
    • The images of the covers of these albums show "THE DESERT SESSIONS" at the top and a volume number at the bottom, or similar. These together can be treated as the complete name. Calling something merely "Volume number" is too indefinite: there are countless books etc with numbered volumes. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• Spyro: Year of the Dragon → Spyro 3: Year of the Dragon -(Discuss)— The one before it is called: Spyro 2: Ripto's Rage!, so this should be called Spyro 3: Year of the Dragon. --Caitlin202 (talk) 19:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Incomplete. JPG-GR (talk) 23:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Other proposals

17 August 2008

• The Golden Age of American animation → Golden Age of American animation —(Discuss)— Per WP:THE. But the entire "Golden Age" title might be POV/OR, so another title might be more appropriate. --Quuxplusone (talk) 20:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• The Amazing Spider-Man (comic book) → The Amazing Spider-Man —(Discuss)— Since this article details the primary use of the name "The Amazing Spider-Man" this article should be given the title "The Amazing Spider-Man" with all other uses moved to "The Amazing Spider-Man (disambiguation)". --Darknus823 (talk) 18:26, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• LEGO Rock Raiders → Lego Rock Raiders —(Discuss)— Per MOS:TM: "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official"". --Mika1h (talk) 15:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Chris Taub (House) → Chris Taub —(Discuss)— I think this should be at Chris Taub which is currently a redirect to List of House characters. There is no disambiguation problem, so let's move to there. --Deamon138 (talk) 01:14, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• 6PPM-FM → 6PPM —(Discuss)— The naming conventions state that since 6PPM doesn't share the callsign with anything else, and since it is not known exclusively as 6PPM-FM, that it should be 6PPM only. Was a moving error of my own, but after creating the redirect I can't move it again. --Silivrenion (talk) 04:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

16 August 2008

• Names for Germany → Names of Germany —(Discuss)— The prepositions "for" and "to" have the same meaning in this context. "Names of Germany" is more in line with other "Names of country" articles, such as Names of Japan, Names of Iceland, and Names of India. --Neelix (talk) 13:27, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• The Great One → The Great One (disambiguation) —(Discuss)— Discussion to determine whether this term has a primary topic. --Muchness (talk) 11:43, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• Minorities in Japan → Discrimination lawsuits and incidents in Japan —(Discuss)— Current title does not accurately reflect content; other articles, such as Racial issues in Japan and Demographics of Japan#Minorities far more appropriately address the topic of "Minorities in Japan". --LordAmeth (talk) 11:05, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• Ysgol Gyfun Gymraeg Bro Myrddin → Bro Myrddin Welsh Comprehensive School —(Discuss)— per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English): "Use the most commonly used English version of the name of the subject as the title of the article..." --Xn4 (talk) 05:33, 16 August 2008 (UTC) Xn4 (talk) 05:33, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• Dreamtime (Heroes) → The Butterfly Effect (Heroes) —(Discuss)— The NBC press release lists this episode's title as "The Butterfly Effect." --75.17.196.150 (talk) 04:28, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• Skid Row (American band) → Skid Row (band) —(Discuss)— The American band Skid Row is a far more common search term than the Irish band Skid Row. --Xnux the Echidna 01:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

15 August 2008

• Frederick Baron → Fred Baron — "Fred Baron" is the name apparently most commonly used by this person and most commonly used by the press. The "Fred" version of his name returns about five times as many hits as the "Frederick" version. I can't imagine anyone objecting. — Kelly ^hi! 21:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Do we use a common newspaper short form (likely often used merely to make it typeset into less space), or his formal proper name? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
    • I thought we title as the most common usage - cf Al Gore. Also, this person is referred to as "Fred" at his own foundation's site.[1] Kelly ^hi! 11:51, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

• WP manual of style recommends the use of contemporary names. A series of these new articles has been created, and per consensus measured in discussion at Talk:Indian Territory in the American Civil War and at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/American_Civil_War_task_force#Requested_move_discussion_for_new_American_Civil_War_article, I'm requesting the wholesale move of each article involving US territories created before or during the conflict. --BusterD (talk) 20:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  • New Mexico in the American Civil War → New Mexico Territory in the American Civil War —(Discuss)
  • Montana in the American Civil War → Montana Territory in the American Civil War —(Discuss)
  • Colorado in the American Civil War → Colorado Territory in the American Civil War —(Discuss)
  • Idaho in the American Civil War → Idaho Territory in the American Civil War —(Discuss)

I request that we do not make this move. It adds confusion. Also, the War does affect the states after the war's end and the areas become states; making it territory seems to imply we can't add anything about it afterward. Unlike Oklahoma/Indian Territory, there is no confusing name changes, so let it go. For simplicity's sake, avoid adding "territory"--King Bedford I ^{Seek his grace} 21:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• TiMidity → TiMidity++ —(Discuss)— The article talks about TiMidity++, which is the current name of the software. --Some Person (talk) 19:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• National Parks of New York Harbor → National Parks of New York Harbor branch of the National Park Service —(Discuss)— To be honest, I don't think it should but another editor disagreed so I brought it here. The current name is the organization's proper name. Dispute centers around whether we follow what the NPS calls itself or whether what we think is more accurate. I think the reader will search on its proper name, i.e. original title. WOuld like more input --TravellingCari 12:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• California (province) → Las Californias —(Discuss)— "California (province)" basically duplicates "Las Californias." Las Californias is the term that was used historically before the division into Baja and Alta Calif. "California (province)" is more ambiguous, so that's why I left it alone and expanded "Las Californias." --TriniMuñoz (talk) 05:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
  • This is a merge request, not a move request. — AjaxSmack 02:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Delist and move to WP:PM, as it's not a rename request. 70.51.11.210 (talk) 12:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

• Joan Lluís Vives → Juan Luis Vives —(Discuss)— The Spanish form is overwhelmingly more common in English. --Srnec (talk) 05:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• House of Commons of the United Kingdom → House of Commons, Westminster —(Discuss)— This House of Commons has a continuous history of nearly 700 years, most of it under the Parliament of England and the Parliament of Great Britain, long before there was a United Kingdom, and the present article covers all of it. The location may be the best common strand. --Xn4 (talk) 01:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

14 August 2008

• Violet Blue (author) → Violet Blue —(Discuss)— No need for a disambiguation page; the author is by far the most well-known person by this name, and the other person once using the name no longer uses it. Violet Blue has been turned into a redirect to Violet Blue (author), but the page should actually be at that title. --Terraxos (talk) 15:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• National Convention Centre → National Convention Centre Canberra —(Discuss)— There are many National Convention Center/Centres around the world. The official website calls it National Convention Centre Canberra. The official name of the Olympic Green Convention Centre is National Convention Centre, which is used in the 2008 Olympics as a venue. This should be renamed to make way for a dab page. --70.51.11.210 (talk) 10:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Disagree. The name is well known in Australia. Please leave it where it is. Put a disambig line at the top of the article if you have a problem with it. JRG (talk) 12:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Clan MacRae → Clan Macrae —(Discuss)— This clan is labelled with a lowecase "r" on its 'official'/main society website, as well as the Standing Council of Scottish Chiefs website. --Celtus (talk) 09:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Qal'at ar-Rum → Rumkale —(Discuss) — The place is in Turkey and the official name is Rumkale. I had made an entry into the article's talk page on 1 May for a proposal for a name change, and the request is thus made now. Cretanforever (talk) 08:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Graphics → Wikipedia:WikiProject Images and Media —(Discuss)— This would broaden the scope to include all uploaded material, as well as bring the naming more in line with similar WikiProjects. --~ JohnnyMrNinja 07:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• The Oresteia → Oresteia —(Discuss)— WP style, since the trilogy is the Oresteia, not The Oresteia --Quuxplusone (talk) 04:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Sir David Li → David Li —(Discuss)— This article was moved on July 28, 2008 without discussion. Also, using "Sir" in the article name for disambiguation purpose is not recommended, per WP:NCP. --supernorton 02:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

13 August 2008

• Diagnosis (medical) → Medical diagnosis —(Discuss)— Proposed name is simpler & more elegant, it's generally better to avoid parentheses when a better option is available. (I would have made the move myself, but "Medical diagnosis" has been used as a redirect page.) --Cgingold (talk) 23:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC) Cgingold (talk) 23:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Frederick I of Austria (Habsburg) → Frederick III of Germany —(Discuss)— He was a king of Germany, so the current title is non-intuitive, as is the parenthetical disambiguation. He is called "III of Germany" in other encyclopedic sources. --Srnec (talk) 21:27, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• China at the 1952 Summer Olympics → People's Republic of China at the 1952 Summer Olympics —(Discuss)— At the time the PROC was not yet called "China" by the IOC, the ROC was called "China", and two "China" teams were accepted to the 1952 Games --70.55.86.69 (talk) 07:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
  • In the official report for those Games, the team was referred to as simply "China" for all but one instance in that document. Also, the ROC team withdrew from the Games, and did not compete, per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of China at the 1952 Summer Olympics. See talk page discussion. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 06:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Backlog

Move dated sections here after five days have passed (November 2 or older).

• Dhaka Nawab family → Dhaka Nawab Family —(Discuss)— According to WP:CAPS, proper nouns are to be capitalized. The current title has a highly irregular way of capitalization, as "Nawab" is capitalized and "family" is not. --Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 16:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• Hypertext Transfer Protocol over Secure Socket Layer → https —(Discuss)— I'm requesting to rename this article back to "https", like it used to be until May 2008, when User:Ziggymarley01 moved it to its current name. This move was done without sufficient prior discussion and contrary to WP:COMMONNAME; people rarely write out "Hypertext Transfer Protocol", much less when referring to the secured variant. Furthermore, Secure Sockets Layer has been deprecated, and RFC 2818 actually calls this protocol "HTTP over TLS". Alternatives also include "HTTP/TLS" or "HTTP over TLS", although I am leaning towards https. ---- intgr [talk] 11:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• (Discuss) Restoring this old request since it seems it was removed as "already completed" on 2 August, whereas in fact it had not been completed, it only looked that way because the original request was strangely formatted (specifying the moves which were to be reverted, not those requested). Anyway, here it is again with the moves actually being requested:
  • Sandomir Governorate → Sandomierz Governorate
  • Podlyase Governorate → Podlasie Governorate
  • Kholm Governorate → Chełm Governorate
  • Suvalki Governorate → Suwałki Governorate
  • Keltse Governorate → Kielce Governorate
  • Sedlets Governorate → Siedlce Governorate
  • Petrokov Governorate → Piotrków Governorate
  • Lomzha Governorate → Łomża Governorate
  • Plotsk Governorate → Płock Governorate
  • Krakov Governorate → Kraków Governorate
  • Kalish Governorate → Kalisz Governorate

--Kotniski (talk) 18:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• • • Relisting. JPG-GR (talk) 00:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Historical regions in Spain → Nationalities of Spain —(Discuss)— (1) It is the word used both by the constitution and by reputable academic publications in English; (2) the constitution distinguishes between "nationalities" and "regions", and therefore the current title is confusing; for more details and a list of references see Talk:Historical regions in Spain --the Dúnadan 00:24, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Northern Areas (Pakistan) → Northern Areas —(Discuss)— Page was moved by copy-pasting, requesting move in line with WP:Move --Pahari Sahib (talk) 22:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

• Kulmerland → Bishopric of Kulmerland —(Discuss)— The article speaks about a former Teutonic state that was called Bishopric of Kulmerland created by William of Modena among other Teutonic ecclesiastical states like Bishopric of Samland, Archbishopric of Warmia, Bishopric of Courland etc. Renaming would keep it in context with the rest of the similar articles on WP since the name Kulmerland is simply too ambiguous and creates misunderstandings like it's evident at the talk page --Termer (talk) 09:01, 9 August 2008 (UTC)