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Ali Sina

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  • Strong Keep. As Ali Sina says himself, his credentials are not relevant to the truthfulness of his claims. And these claims are true. And truth should be voiced. When Muslim countries will start to treat religious minorities as it should be, there could be a talk about "Islamophobia". For now, it is only the "Kafirophobia" that is strongly present. If there is an article about Islamophobia here, there should be one about Kafirophobia as well. Also, Mr. Sceptre should know that "best friends" cannot change Quran and Ahadith. And one person does not represent "one fifth" of the world. So this vote is not based at all.--Aleverde 15:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no proof that Ali Sina is who he says he is. He might just be an a group of islamophobes with an agenda. There is no way to objectively determine who or what Ali Sina is, all we have is "his" own words and "his" hatefilled website م 11:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

NOTE I suspect that the editor who put the page up for deletion is a sockpuppet , only a few edits in Wikipedia.--CltFn 13:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep: Just that a section of people finds it offensive doesn't mean we silence the voice. It is 21st century, we are not barbarians and just that I disagree with him doesn't constitute reason enough to delete.
  • Strong Delete: Very strong attack on a sixth of the world. One of my best friends is Muslim, and she even wished me a Merry Christmas, so I highly doubt Islam is a religion of hate. Sceptre(Talk) 12:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Very controversial character but he does exist in some form. With the same logic we should delete number of other articles about other religious commentators who use similar rhetoric. Article is relatively NPOV - Skysmith 13:02, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep did you even read the page, most of it is criticism of him. Needs a cleanup tag added though, and possible NPOV'ing - FrancisTyers 13:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I feel we need to focus on the importance of the Website here. We may strongly disagree with what it says, but that's not an adequate reason for deletion. Dlyons493 Talk 13:14, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Alexa rank >40,000, Wikipedia is the top site linking in according to Alexa. Thgere is no practical limit to the number of bigots out there, we are not obliged to cover every one. Existence and content are both verifiable, though the sources generally fall well below reliable. Of course this could just be my wishy-washy liberal side coming to the fore. Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 14:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Delete Attack page. --Pboyd04 16:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete a person who runs his own webpage to attack a religion. Agree with what Just zis Guy, you know? said about every bigot having an article. --a.n.o.n.y.m t 17:35, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You are misrepresenting Ali Sina with your generalizations, I wonder why? Here we see the true face of Anonimous editor , not the one he presents at his request for adminship. Ali Sina is a humanist and stands for human rights and freedom of religion , freedom of thought and speech. He has taken a couragous stand against human oppresion of the vilest kind. I wonder why you omit to mention that? --CltFn 13:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

keep! - why are people worried whether he is ex-muslim or not? does his charges aginst islam become void in that case? it is not right to censor thoughts, everyone has a right to express his ideas. so keep this article and try to improve it!

Comment Wikipedia isn't the place for people to express their ideas, it is an encyclopedia--a collection of knowledge. Logophile 01:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete --NaconKantari 01:55, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This clown exists and seems to have a strong following. What better way to disabuse him of his disgusting notions than to hold his feet to the flame of public exposure? Denni ☯ 03:28, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'll definetely vote Keep but only if the article is cleaned up from too much detail from his website and his opponents' sites. We should summarize both his views and his opponents w/o quoting large chunks of comments or writings from both sites! The second point is that refrain from quoting him in all relegious articles as his notability is contested. He's no different than Israel Shamir (though Shamir is not a pseudonym but a real person) and the treatment should be no different! Only then I would vote Keep. Therefore, I'd appreciate to know if the Keep votes above agree about this. Cheers -- Szvest 17:17, 31 December 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up&#153;[reply]
  • keep Nickbee 06:50, 1 January 2006 (UTC)nickbee[reply]
  • Delete Doesn't seem very notable. Yuber(talk) 07:21, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. We don't know whether he's one man or half a dozen schoolgirls, because there don't seem to be any credible third-party sources either about the website or about Ali Sina. The article is a violation of WP:V. SlimVirgin (talk) 09:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    I wouldn't push that analogy too far. Deap throat was known only to woodward but he still deserved an article. Although, Ali Sina is no Felt. I think this is more of an issue of non notable... while verifiability is making sure you write the article letting users know that the only source about him is him. Not that I really need to tell you that... gren グレン 10:51, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Deepthroat was written about by journalists in reputable newspapers. Ali Sina has no credible third-party sources that have written about him, so far as I know. If he really is the only source of information about himself or the website, the article shouldn't exist, because the lack of third-party sources speaks to lack of notability as well as verifiability. SlimVirgin (talk) 08:06, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, his wikipedia account would often make comments such as "We are all Sina". Yuber(talk) 17:09, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Could use some chopping of quotes, but I fail to see how the contents of the article are unverifiable. Further, the original move to delete seems to have been by someone with no name. I smell an intent to suppress and censor. rudra 11:05, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, this guy is allowed to express his point of view even if many find them offensive, and there are plenty of anti (put you favorite religion here) hate site out there. On the other side we just can't pretend he doesn't exist and burry our head in the sand. We better have a strong NPOV entry about this guy which can balance his radical and personal views.--Khalid hassani 20:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He's a published writer and is notable enough. It also seems that the article has recieved a fair amount of interest from Wikipedias readers, and it has been edited maybe around 6 or 700 times since it was created around a year ago. -- Karl Meier 22:25, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That might be because every week he(or the people he trains for publicitizing his views on WP) add a lot of praise to him . The article is a continuous battle field b/w him/his followers & people who want to keep it NPOV (see talk page). F.a.y.تبادله خيال /c 22:38, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Both Ali Sina and Faithfreedom.org are notable. Faithfreedom was quoted in a report by the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment on the murder of Theo van Gogh. -- Kwnl 0:36, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Rudra, I'm just not very computer-literate, I thought I did sign my comment if not my user name is (م). My intention is not to censor anyone. My objection to this racist's entry are basic. First, I don't know how popular this "guy" is, but the first time I heard about him was on wikipedia. His name was constantly thrown around by someone on the Islam discussion board. That user has since been blocked for his racist/hatefilled/islamphobic comments (Gren I think you know who I am reffering to ;). Hence, I do not want wikipedia to be used as a platform for "his" hatred. The second reason has to do with "his" identity. I know that bios are done on everone, good or evil. But no one knows who this "man" is. He could be one person, he could be an entire hate group. Wikipedia can not rely on this idiot's words for its main source. By the way Kwnl I wonder if the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment realizes that this bigot(s) main, and stated, purpose is to eliminate all muslims from off the face of the Earth.م 06:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Calling Ali Sina a "racist", a bigot" and whatever else without substantiation only reveals your motivation more clearly. This is not the place to debate his views, nor the place to enforce your personal opinion of them. rudra 22:00, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Admins plz see the history . Anon IPs are deleting delete votes . Thanks . F.a.y.تبادله خيال /c 09:00, 2 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep There is enough interest on this subject to be included. There is no reason why the content cannot be improved to be impartial. However, there's evidence of 'conflict of interest' by certain editors.
  • strong Keep He is a published author and the leader of the ex muslim apostate movement. If the article was not notable then why all the interest, why all the edit wars. And I wonder why a particular group of editors has been toiling incessantly to denigrate Ali Sina and his work.--CltFn 13:21, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Notable --Kefalonia 14:30, 3 January 2006 (UTC

strongly delete


  • "Strong Keep" Everybody is entitled to have their own views, we might agree or disagree, but disagreement is not the basis for deletion. It is censorship.
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