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Seen this cover up? [1] --87.113.177.162 (talk) 09:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They are not all the same person, even if some of them hold similar views. BritishWatcher (talk) 09:17, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you believe they dared label me as a sockpuppet of O Fenian? Mabuska ^(talk) 09:27, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

lol yes i dont quite understand why he included you in the list, although its obvious they aint all the same person anyway. BritishWatcher (talk) 09:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think because i was defending the implementation of the IMOS, i wonder who'll i be labelled as being a sockpuppet of next?? Lol Mabuska ^(talk) 09:38, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aghh the Derry/Londonderry issue. The name of the city sadly is the least people should be worried about these days here on Wikipedia and in the real world. Although as a participant of the British Isles dispute i guess i cant really talk lol. These issues have a way of becoming very addictive. BritishWatcher (talk) 09:59, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Funnily enough it wasn't that part of the IMOS that was the problem lmao. It was the use of other native languages in the infobox for places, i.e. Irish and Scots, though in this case you can guess which one caused the problem for said editor. Mabuska ^(talk) 10:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

lol i can understand people being unhappy about the Derry issue but i cant see the problem with native names in the infobox. :\ Although again, i cant really talk as ive discussed native names inclusion on the British Isles infobox because of the Cornish language issue lol. BritishWatcher (talk) 10:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's "Derry" in The Sash and Derry's Walls. Pretty dispositive for me! Ivor Stoughton (talk) 22:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So your idea of dispositive is the name of a place used in a song? Really intelligent that is! --87.113.91.136 (talk) 07:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

At a minimum it's a clear indication that "Derry" is used by both traditions. Ivor Stoughton (talk) 15:31, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody said it wasn't used by both traditions even today. The point however is that the city is officially and legally called Londonderry, not Derry. To state otherwise is to provide false information. Isn't Wikipedia supposed to be a quality encyclopaedia? --87.113.91.136 (talk) 18:49, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dunno - is it? Ivor Stoughton (talk) 21:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A very interesting point you pose. Is Wikipedia a reliable source of information and more to the point does it justify calling itself an 'encyclopaedia' when it so obviously reflects exaggerated political opinion. --87.113.196.244 (talk) 07:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The city is officially Londonderry yes, but we dont have to use the legal name on wikipedia, theres plenty of other examples where a non legal or official name gets used. Although a month or two ago the introduction of Derry made no mention of the fact Londonderry was the legal name. That was clearly problematic but thankfully that got changed eventually. BritishWatcher (talk) 21:20, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The name Derry is a term of endearment for the city and as such should come secondary to the legal name or have a separate article all of its own. --87.113.196.244 (talk) 07:41, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Before Irish republicans and nationalists made a huge issue out of the term "Derry" in the last century or two, which to be honest has huge hints of anti-British racism towards the term "London" as there is no complaints over other renamed places - the term was pretty uncontroversial and was frequently used by unionists. If republicans hadn't hijacked the issue and made such an issue out of it the term would probably not be causing so much trouble as it does now. Its only made unionists less likely to use or adopt the term Derry. And so what if a wheen of songs make use of the slang term Derry - the city charter states that it shall be "forever" known as Londonderry. Mabuska ^(talk) 10:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If it was not for lots of different UK media sources like BBC / Sky often using the term there would certainly be more justification for it being at its proper name Londonderry. Sadly i think this is one of those many issues where too much ground has been given in the real world, rather than just a problem on wikipedia. BritishWatcher (talk) 10:55, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Our new colleagues

I'm starting to think its time for a request for comment on these users. What do you think? The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick^t 03:00, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ps while you were asleep [2] The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick^t 03:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

An Rfc has also been suggested now on the talk page. Personally, I feel that when someone presents this [3] as a sign that the article is not stable, they're reaching. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 07:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Grrr i appear to have missed a lot, i was having a nice relaxing day offline lol. BritishWatcher (talk) 17:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well when the Derry/Londonderry naming issue concensus is reopened for a debate in a year or two, the arguement that Derry City Council gives the term Derry legal credence will be blown out of the water... if i can find the news article on this years judicial review that stated the councils name has no official status or affect the actual name of the city. Essentially the council is allowed to call itself what it wants - it will however have no official or legal bearing over the citys name. Mabuska ^(talk) 13:04, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think that source is already in the article or the naming dispute article. The council certainly does not have the ability to rename the city by itself, and the attempt to push for an official change has been rejected by both unionists and the moderate republicans of the council. Theres only one name with any legal status, that is Londonderry, but sadly lots of sources use Derry often. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:07, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Who has the authority to re-name the city? GoodDay (talk) 13:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think its Her Majesty's Most Honourable Privy Council from what i can remember the last time i read the articles, it is somewhere in Derry or the naming dispute article. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:40, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okie Dokie. GoodDay (talk) 13:41, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The council can petition for them to change the name, but they recently decided not to. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So it's still Derry. GoodDay (talk) 13:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The city council is called Derry, the City is Londonderry as the name has never been changed since it was given its city status centuries ago. They considered trying to get the city name to be Derry and thought by the council changing its name, the city changed to, but it didnt and they have decided against petitioning to change it to Derry for the time being. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh, what a mess up. GoodDay (talk) 13:52, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yep lol BritishWatcher (talk) 16:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There no mess up, rather a concerted campaign by Republicans to have the official name changed which suits their political agenda to have Northern Ireland reinstated wth an all Ireland Federal Republic...if only pigs could fly.