Talk:Inheritance (Paolini novel)

Trilogy?

How can it be a trilogy if there are four books?65.223.58.226 (talk) 23:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

That's why it's called the Inheritance cycle instead of the Inheritance trilogy. Una Laguna^Talk 06:39, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Look at the top of the page. It says Inheritance Trilogy, not Cycle.[[Special:Contr
ibutions/65.223.58.226|65.223.58.226]] (talk) 19:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

It was orginally going to be a trilogy, but was later expanded to a four book cycle. Some things may simply not have been updated.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

I am glad that Christopher Paolini is writing a fourth book. Not only do I love the Inheritance Cycle, but now he's put another difference between himself and LotR!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.193.95.114 (talk) 19:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC) "Isn't it possible that when Angela says that he will leave Alagaesia (sorry if wrong spelling) forever, couldn't Eragon change and that former Eragon will leave? Ex. His changing at the elvish celebration where the spectral dragon touched him? or another Ex. His true name might change? Response please.

He already had. LotR was a six book series put together in groups of two for simplicity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.247.122 (talk) 04:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC) ===

No, LotR is ONE novel sometimes published as three or six volumes due to its length. The parts are called "Book One", "Book Two" etc. but this is a common way of dividing long works, going right back to the Iliad and Odyssey, and does NOT imply that they are separate novels. 91.107.133.40 (talk) 16:48, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

You're right. Sorry my bad. I assume about LotR not being a trilogy is correct though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.217.247.122 (talk) 04:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC) ===

??? LotR is NOT a trilogy??? I thought it was because all the people who have talked about it talk about them as three books and three movies. I've only seen the movies and I'm not going to read the books. (Except their official prequel.) Mr Kirby XIII (talk) 20:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

you getting a bit off topic with lotr, but that was a trilogy, the other books were seperate from the original trilogy. like how star wars had the original trilogy, but theres hundreds of books, comics, games, ect. about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.204.217 (talk) 13:14, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

I forget where I saw it exactly but i know for sure LotR was made as one long book. When Tolkien couldn't sell it at all, he split it into three parts so people wouldn't say it was too long to even bother reading. Then I suppose it's further divided into Books 1-6 by the major sections of the storyline. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.241.5.38 (talk) 02:58, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

"Wyrda"

Found "Wyrda" being being talked about as the title of the 4th book. Anyone know if there is any authenticity in it?

Armuk (talk) 16:46, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

What is the link to your source? It's unlikely to be true, given that the third book hasn't been published yet, but it would be interesting to know if it comes from a source that could be official, or if it's just a fansite. MelicansMatkin (talk) 19:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps Empire? That's what the 3rd book was gonna be called before he decided to make 4 --Alreajk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.0.200 (talk) 01:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

He didn't exactly CHOOSE to split the third book into two seperate books. After all, he had planned to much for Book 3. And it shouldn't take TOO long seeing as he worked on Book 4 a bit already as if it were apart of Book 3 when he first made the first draft. (I bet he knew it was too big without his editors or who ever needing to tell them so. Hehheh) Mr Kirby XIII (talk) 20:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I have heard of it being named Empire but not Wyrda, but it is possible because there has not been any confirmed reports on a fixed name.96.246.17.157 (talk) 21:20, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

• • the working titles are EMPIRE and ERIDOR. The name of the Green Dragon will supposedly be called ERIDOR, (see inheritancw wiki for more on that) and the front cover will have the green dragon. it is expected out in 2010/2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.78.247.72 (talk) 04:33, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

you shouldnt use inheriwiki for a sorce, as anyone can edit it. try using sources they give. and the rumor that empire would be next, its unfounded. there was a picture on face book of eragon(the book) colored green and with empire written on it. paolin also said it wouldnt be empire in a statment. though he saidthe next book will be green. any names are that are talked about are nothing more than rumor because paolin hasnt stated the next title yet. i hope this clears it up. 69.115.204.217 (talk) 13:19, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

2011 estimated Release?

if we estimate 2 1/2 years as average release time which is about what the first two sequels took. i have put 2011 with a "?" to indicate possible release if any one has any objection one may take the time to change it back and chastise me. Weaponbb7 (talk) 19:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

We can't include this on the page as it is speculation and original research. Information added to this article should be from reliable sources only. Una Laguna^Talk 19:29, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I think that this would be incorrect because by the time that he diceded to split the books, 1/4-1/2 were already done, it might take a year and a half but not more than 2 years96.246.17.157 (talk) 21:16, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Regardless, WIkipedia cannot post a guess as fact, even if you put a ? next to it. Leave "release date" blank until you find a reliable resource. Spinach Dip 07:46, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

the title of the fourth book will be ,fenrir tyer, [christopher paolini —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.217.125 (talk) 18:37, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as Christopher was working on it a lot while creating what is now Book 3, I say that Book 4 ("Fenrir Tyer") will be coming out in late 2009 to early 2010. I may still be wrong, though. (I hope its not later! I just can't wait for it!) Mr Kirby XIII (talk) 20:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Random House will announce the book's release date 5 or 6 months in advance (they want those advance sales!). Keeping that in mind, 2009 is not going to happen. 2010 is much more likely, but not definite.

Regardless, we cannot put anything of that sort in the article until a release date is officially announced. Spinach Dip 01:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

As of Wednesday 23rd March, the official inheritance website has announced the title to be Inheritance and releaed on 8th November 2011 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.32.132 (talk) 13:26, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Spoilers

<< Two spoilers were released on the cycle's homepage Alagaësia.com, the first stating that "In Brisingr, Eragon will meet a god", and the second spoiler said that "Eragon will meet a terrifying new enemy; one who likes to laugh a lot, but not in a good way." >> Both spoilers appeared in the book, Eragon met the Dwarf God and the painless enemies are the ones who laugh a lot. Eragon met the lone men laughing at Orrin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.191.9.22 (talk) 11:08, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree that those spoilers were confirmed be the painless enemies and the meeting of the Dwarf God. Please post any more spoilers!96.246.17.157 (talk) 21:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

In the fourth book, the Varden's attitude towards Nasuada's position as leader of the Varden might change. this has aleady happened with the test of the long knifes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.81.250 (talk) 17:20, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Sloan's real name

This was revealed in book 3 and should be removed from what is upcoming in book 4. 67.40.85.193 (talk) 04:14, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. Spinach Dip 05:30, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Claims In Unresolved Plot Elements

Some of these look like guesses to me. Also, claim in first paragraph: "in which Eragon discovers that Galbatorix is his grandfather" looks a bit dodgy to me. Any references? Fairweather01 (talk) 00:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

it's unfounded and has never been said by paolin. and almost deffinatally untrue, as we know both of his parents. his mother lived in carvahall, and was the sister of garrow. they would hav eknow if galbo was there father. then brom was from a isolated city. not much is know about him, but its highly unlikely of galbo being his father.69.115.204.217 (talk) 13:32, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Things to Happen in Book Four

Does the tribe leaders questioning Nasuada's leadership not fulfill the "Varden may question Nasuada's leadership" line? Just seems like this has already been dealt with in book 3. 138.162.8.58 (talk) 15:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

It is impossible to know for certain. For that reason, it is safe to say that the Varden may challenge Nasuada's leadership in book4.

Spinach Dip 00:54, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Heres what i can tell. It is obviouse that Arya will be the next rider, of that there is no doubt. But i have been wondering, Does Paolini insist on putting Eragon with Arya as a mate? or will he soon find another mate, that of which will be found around Galbatorixs' hideout areas. And also, it seems unlikely that the title will be Empire. It doesnt fit in with Eragons journey and what Paolini has announced about the fourth book. I think it will be something more along the lines of Arya's dragon or possibly even something of Islansadi(cant remember how to spell the elf queens name).

i also used this paragraph in another section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.195.134.179 (talk) 00:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC) 

i think some one is confused. the varden completly support her, the desert tribes were the only ones who really werent fully behind her, and she did a traditional competition where each person cut there arms, and won. she beat a tribal leader who was overall leader of most of the tribes, and by deafating him, she became leader of most tribes, and the rest seemed to accpet her rule as well. and after taking the city in the southwest, theyd be more loyal becasue they have not only deafeat the empire, but are now taking citys from them. 69.115.204.217 (talk) 13:57, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Tenga

how do they know tenga has any significence? Inkworldluver (talk) 07:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

First, it is Paolini's style to introduce a character or concept, then elaborate on it in further books. Second, he stated in an interview about a year ago that, "every character will have a part to play."

Spinach Dip 01:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Scene description in Book 1

Has Paolini commented upon this scene? In the chapter "Deathwatch", it begins by describing one of Eragon's dreams, where ... a group of people on proud horses approached a lonely river. Many had silver hair and carried tall lances. A strange, fair ship waited for them, shining under a bright moon. The figures slowly boarded the vessel; two of them, taller than the rest, walked arm in arm. Their faces were obscured by cowls, but he could tell that one was a woman. They stood on the deck of the ship and faced the shore. A man stood alone on the pebble beach, the only one who had not boarded the ship. As it faded, the ship glided down the river, without a breeze or oars, out into the flat, empty land. The vision clouded, but just before it disappeared, Eragon glimpsed two dragons in the sky.

I won't speculate about who this may be talking about but i'd like to know if Paolini has made any comments or intimations toward this paragraph. It seemingly involves the third egg and Eragon leaving Alagaesia, although it may not. 98.235.95.60 (talk) 00:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

He hasn't commented on it to my knowledge, but in Eldest (I can't remember which chapter), Arya tells Eragon about premonitions. Presumably, this scene from "Deathwatch" is a vision of the future, but there is no way to be certain.

Spinach Dip 01:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

she also told him that they might not always come true, and it says nothing about an egg. 69.115.204.217 (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Unresolved plot elements section

Originally what was there was a continuation of the "Known details" section there used to be at Brisingr. It listed the plot points which Paolini said he was going to put into Brisingr before he split it into two books. This was sourceable. It was useful content. A couple of examples are:

• In the fourth book, the Varden's attitude towards Nasuada's position as leader of the Varden might change.
• In the fourth book it will be revealed if Saphira ever finds a mate.

But now, a host of details of various plot strands which may or may not be resolved have been added to the section. There has been no official word as to whether many of these points will indeed be resolved: they are nothing more than speculation and original research. A couple of examples:

• The significance of Tenga (Angela's mentor), if any, will be revealed.
• What really happened to Brom's sword might be revealed.

I think the section in its current form is doing more harm than good. The points which are speculation should be removed and the points which have been confirmed by Paolini should be sourced. Una Laguna^Talk 21:11, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I am a user unfamiliar with this material; when I read the section, it appears to be fully unsourced and filled with trivia. I do not see anything about this section that would inform me about this subject, or that would make the encyclopedia more reliable. I agree that it should be removed, unless there are sourceable and useful items which can be kept and integrated into the text. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

It was nothing more than trivia. Even trivia can be sourced. *SIGN* 23:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Lonely God

does anyone get the Lonely God walking by the sea of time (I don't thing I quoted it right so I didn't put quotation marks)thing, or does it get revealed in the end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bows&Arrows (talk • contribs) 22:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

It is a reference to the TV show Dr. Who, if I recall correctly.

Spinach Dip 01:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Isn't there another Dr. Who Reference (I forget exactly where) when Solembum talks about rooms that are bigger "on the inside than the outside?" (The TARDIS) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.200.162.193 (talk) 20:52, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

King Cat

Chapter 4(king cat) of the new book was relased on April 14 2010l . In it Eragon and Nasueda meet the ruler of the were-cats and some interesting new implications are made.

Newsletter

I added a needs citation note to the mention that Paolini is hard at work on the next book, as I can't find a March newsletter on Alagaesia.com that was published after Brisingr was released. Looking through the other newsletters, Paolini mentions in one that he plans to start working on the fourth book soon, but he never says he's actually working on it. It's possible, however, that a new newsletter did go out, and that it just wasn't placed on the website. --Arew264 (talk) 02:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

the next book might be called empire I searched it on google images —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sponge21 (talk • contribs) 23:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

You probably stumbled upon a fan-made mock cover for Book 4, such as this or this. That Book 4 "might" be called Empire is pure speculation, and Wikipedia is not a place for unfounded speculation. Una Laguna^Talk 09:27, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from 79.76.125.246, 18 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} an excerpt for book four is avaliable at

http://www.theeveninghoot.com/king-cat-book-4-inheritance-cycle

79.76.125.246 (talk) 22:21, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 22:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps a sectence or two announcing that the author is releasing excerpts before publication? It may be relevant to verifying that the book is on its way to being finished. --Stripy Socks (talk) 18:06, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

King Cat?

I think it would be important to mention the new released fourth chapter of book four( king cat) (Boekholt gregori (talk) 07:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC))

Edit request from Jdillon11235, 3 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

Uncited Claim; Last Paragraph: "In May 2010, Paolini stated in a newsletter to his fans that he was hard at work on the story, but the holidays had kept him busy with family and friends. He also stated that he was working on a interesting section of the book and it was shaping up to be the most action packed of the series."

Relevant Source:

Jdillon11235 (talk) 10:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

 Done BejinhanTalk 11:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Rioda94, 20 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

Additional information provided by shurtugal.com :

http://www.shurtugal.com/n/759

http://www.shurtugal.com/n/760

"I am not going to give any true names verbatim in the series."

"No no, I'm not planning on putting any true names in explicitly although they may be referred to. But I'll never actually right it out."

"M: So we should be wary of any premonitions.

C: You should be very wary. I just killed a character in the manuscript, you know."

--Rioda94 (talk) 21:58, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: Please express your request in a 'please change X to Y' manner and supply reliable sources for factual changes. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 23:55, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Rioda94, 21 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Ok, I was not sure on how to amend my previous edit request because I'm quite new to Wikipedia (well, I've been using it for years but only recently decided to start contributing) so I hope I'm getting this right.

To sub-section 1.3 (2010) add:

On August 17th Christopher Paolini attended the 100th Boy Scouts Jamboree in Washington DC where he discussed some spotlight points of the fourth novel, during the meeting he also updated fans on the status of the story claiming that he was starting to "see the light at the end of the tunnel". He stated that he has a title in mind for the this installment although refusing to disclose it to the audience. He finally confirmed that there will be a green dragon figuring on the cover while also mentioning his plans beyond the cycle and revealing that he had completely planned and outlined a total of six further books which may or may not take place in Alagaesia, although if they did it would be from a different perspective.

On August 18th he attended the Comic-Con where he paticipated in an interview with Shurtugal.com's staff members during which more information was revealed. It has been disclosed that the true names of characters will never be explicitly spoken during the story ("although", me said, "they could be referred to). More details on the nature of true names were also revealed "True names [of my world] actually involve more then just a simple word; it could be a phrase or a paragraph could be your true name. It could be a book. I mean it could be a very involved thing and it would be a rather clunky and obtrusive within the pros to be using something like that all the time." During this session the meaning of Arya's message in Eldest on page 216 "That which she once hoped for—and feared—has occurred; the wyrm has bitten its own tail." The Elf was informing his friend that Saphira's egg had hatched. Paolini also confirmed the value and importance of premonitions and how they shouldn't be underestimated. Several other minor details or gaps in the story were also briefly discussed.

http://www.shurtugal.com/n/760 (17/08/10)

http://www.shurtugal.com/n/760 (18/08/10)

Rioda94 (talk) 11:48, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

 Done Welcome. Nicely summarized. That level of detail is probably excessive for this article, but that's for you and the other editors involved in this page to work out. Thanks for contributing, Celestra (talk) 15:55, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Release date and title book 4

{{Edit semi-protected}}

As of Wednesday 23rd March 2011, Paolini announced on Shur'tugal that book 4 will be called Inheritance and will be released on November 8th 2011

217.41.32.132 (talk) 13:32, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

 Done Thanx I am excited The Resident Anthropologist (Talk / contribs) 13:58, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with naming conventions, but surely a better title for this article would be "Inheritance (book)"? "Inheritance (Inheritance Cycle)" looks rather naff if I'm honest. Una Laguna^Talk 21:30, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, none of the other books in the series has the cycle name in brackets. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 21:36, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

I am actually surprised I though thought there would be more book called Inheritance on Wikipedia; lacking such a book the move needed to be done The Resident Anthropologist (Talk / contribs) 21:39, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Book Length

I see that for other articles on books, the number of pages the book has is included. If you think it would be relevent, could you do that for this book? On both Borders.com and Amazon.com, the number of pages for the hardcover is listed as 704. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.12.74.88 (talk) 19:32, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

We should include the page count when it has officially been announced, but 704 is only a placeholder figure used by stores. The final page count will only be known after editing of the book is completed. Read this for more details. Una Laguna^Talk 13:51, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I was just curious. Thanks for straightening me out! :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.12.74.88 (talk) 14:16, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Synopsis

Currently, the Synopsis section is in shambles. It starts out fine, but then suddenly and jarringly ends with this "The Green Rider is Arya, and her Dragon is Firnen. Eragon will leave and Arya is going to be the queen." While that is true, it's not reasonable at that point in the synopsis; most of the book has been skipped entirely. It's also quite vague: "Eragon will leave and Arya is going to be the queen." OK, where is Eragon going? Which queen (we haven't said anything about Islanzadí's death, and there are a few other monarchs)? What about the whole book that seems to be missing? I'm going to remove the sentences entirely and add an {{expand-section}}. --NYKevin @767, i.e. 17:23, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Worst comes to worst if no one else gets around to writing a decent one I can do so once I've read the book (although I really hope I don't have to given my summarizing skills are somewhat limited), which I hope will be soon but could be as late as Christmas break. I myself added an {{refimprove}} template because half the stuff on the page has no reference. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 19:05, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I guess the original synopsis author didn't want to spoil the ending. --Xijky (talk) 19:14, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

The purpose of a synopsis is to tell you what happened WITHOUT having to read the book. I guarantee you, no one is going on wikipedia in the hopes that it won't spoil anything.

Speaking of that, and having just reverted an IP blanking the synopsis section due to spoilers, I should point out for anyone watching this page that {{Uw-spoiler}} is a great warning template for such situations. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 01:57, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

• I feel it's a bit too long now (just looking at the page), but I'm not reading all of it until I've finished the book ! --Xijky (talk) 11:25, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

Inheritance (book) → Inheritance (novel) – All of the other pages for books that require clarification after their titles say [Title] (novel), not [Title] (book). The current page for Inheritance (novel) is a redirect to a book that is mentioned in a list of books in another series. However, since this book actually has its own article and is probably better-known, it seems like it should occupy that page, rather than the redirect. Alphius (talk) 16:52, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

• Support per above. Alphius (talk) 16:52, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
• Support this seems sensible. --Xijky (talk) 17:41, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
• Support per WP:NCB. Jenks24 (talk) 02:41, 12 November 2011 (UTC)