Talk:Vishvakarma

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Moved this excerpt that was posted to the main page here, so as not to lose it (I'm not the author of this excerpt):

In fact Viswakarma is not the son of Brahma, but he is the creator of the whole universe. Here the meaning of Viswakarma according to sanskrit is Viswasya Karmanah itiya Viswakarmanah.i.e The one who created this whole universe with his work. Here "Viswa" means "The Universe", "Karma" means work which refers to the Ominipotent creator. Also Viswakrma is also called as "Panchanan".i.e. Viswakarma with five faces. Also he is the creator of Brahama, Vishnu, Maheswara, Indra and Surya who are called as PanchaBrahmas. Any suggestions and clarification plese mail to viswazna_0@yahoo.co.in --Vivek 19:20, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Kindly read "Yajur Veda 4.3.2" I've changed the article. Kindly have a look at the same.BalanceRestored 05:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

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Ditto the above:

  VISWAKARMA, VISWABRAMAN, VIRAD VISWA BRAMAN.
                 

According to the mythology of traditional artisan like Black smith,Carpenter,Copper smith,Stone sculpter and Gold smith the viswakarma is the personification of Virad viswa braman,the ultimate reality. Viswabramapurana and Moolastambapurana is giving a picture of Viswabrama incarnated out of nothingness having five heads such as Sadyojatham ,Tathpurusham ,Akhoram ,Eeshanam , Vamadevam and ten hands weilding trident ,tools of creation,four vedas and fifth veda of Pranavam[vasthu shastram].Five prajapathies such as Manu ,maya ,Toshtwa, Shilpy and Viswagjna originated from his five heads .This concept of god of creation must have been crystelized during the formative period of arts and crafts in india and closily associated with the advent of metal technology . vedic period presented this concept with Brahmanaspathy and Brahaspathy. Later puranas giving a mutilated form of brama with four heads and his epithet [or the remaining head] became another viswakarma as a divine architect. In this phase of hinduism ,one can see the Brama is loosing his supreme[Viswakarma] status and Siva is metamorphosing as Kalabraman.This may be reflectng the social change such as supermacy of clericks and knights over creative working class.???.Any way now Brama temples are very less in India and Viswakarma in the form of Virad Visawa Braman is being worshipped by traditional artisans . In south india some them are still wearing sacred thred and following their vedic traditions.

DocWatson42 13:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Removal of image

The image on this page was removed as it did not belong to Vishwakarma but to Brahma !!

Shloka in "Vasishtha Purana"

OM Vishawakarma Parabrahma Jagada Dhaŕ Muklakaha | Tanmukhani Tuvai Pancha - Pancha Brahmo Tyuhradat (3.6.11)

This means Vishwakarm created 5 Brahma from each for his 5 Mukhas to create the Srusti (Universe)

BalanceRestored 11:51, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Vishwakarma and Tvastr are not different

There is a quote which says "Vishwakarma in later mythology sometimes identified with Tvastr". This is wrong. There is a clear narration in the Shrimad Bhagawatam(here deva shilpi is coated and not virat vishwakarma) ISBN 81-7276-376-X the following.

Page 162 Tvaṣṭā was very angry with Indra for having killed his son(vishwarupacharya). He performed a homa and the invocation was: "Arise! Indrashatru come out and kill your enemy"

after that Indrashatru starts to dictate his terms with devas and, then the devas after panicing meet Lord Vishnu

Page 163 For this lord Vishnu suggest to collect the devas to collect the bones of Rishi Dadhichi and tells to pray virat vishwakarma and take boon to guide and order deva shilpi.

"Out of his bones deva shilpi Vishwakarma created dreadful weapon and call it VAJRAYUDHA"BalanceΩrestored ^Talk 05:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

So, this makes it very clear that Vishwakarma and Tvastr are different deities if we refer Shrimad Bhagwatam. Now I do not understand what Monier-Williams is stating?BalanceΩrestored ^Talk 05:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

you did note, didn't you, the "sometimes"? It means that sometimes, they aren't identified. dab (𒁳) 09:17, 31 May 2008(UTC)

which publication of Monier-Williams is stating that. It will be great if you give a proper reference. Currently the reference is just stating Monier-Williams(1899). If you let me which book by Monier-Williams, it will help me read the exact narration, as it seems very interesting. BalanceΩrestored ^Talk 06:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Here is one ref which identifies both of them. [1][2]--Redtigerxyz (talk) 06:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

BalanceRestored, for how long have you been editing Hinduism-related articles? Monier-Williams is chiefly known because he "compiled one of the most widely-used Sanskrit-English dictionaries". If you are interested in any Sanskrit term, your first stop is MW. There is no excuse for not consulting MW, these days, because the full text is online. dab (𒁳) 06:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Rig Veda HYMN LXXXII. Visvakarman.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10082.htm Can someone help add/add details to the main content BalanceΩrestored ^Talk 12:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Vajra weapon

 Viswakarma is also credited with creating the missiles used in the mythological era, including the Vajra, the sacred weapon of Lord Indra, from the bones of sage Dadhichi. He is regarded as the supreme worker, the very essence of excellence and quality in craftsmanship.

vajara weapon was made by Tvastari is mentiond in hindu mythology, vedic and puranic by W.J Wilkins, page no.75. And the refferance of anand K coormaswamy is not about this. that is about virat vishwakarma —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajeshpn80 (talk • contribs) 12:09, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Sources

This article is appallingly sourced, where it is sourced at all. It appears to rely extensively on primary material and it also shows a disregard for the provisions of WP:NOENG, Can anyone fix these issues? - Sitush (talk) 09:13, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Quote Farm

Regarding the revert [3] citing overuse of quotes. The Wikipedia policy or guideline "WP:QUOTEFARM" says "While quotations are an indispensable part of Wikipedia, try not to overuse them". I guess those two quotes were the only ones in the article. So, why they felt to be an overuse of the WP:QUOTE. I intended to keep it for this reason "quoting a brief excerpt from an original source can sometimes explain things better and less controversially than trying to explain them in one's own words" Ganesh J. Acharya (talk) 17:16, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

We had what amounted to an entire section comprising mostly unintelligible quotes, shown both in English and in Indic script and using primary sources. No way. You want to read a page of quotes, go buy a dictionary of quotations. BTW, there is no need to tell me every time you post something here. In fact, I would rather that you did not. - Sitush (talk) 19:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

How can Ralph T.H. Griffith's Translation on "The Rig Veda" be considered a primary source? Ganesh J. Acharya (talk) 03:23, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

You are not quoting Griffith's opinion etc, but merely his translation. A primary source is primary in any language. And the quotes were meaningless/had no context. I suggest that you drop this: you are not going to get your way unless you massively adjust the contribution. - Sitush (talk) 08:56, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

You also edited this passage earlier [4] citing "remove gibberish". Which wiki policy was that? Ganesh J. Acharya (talk) 03:33, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Gibberish is gibberish and needs no policy. If it makes no sense, lacks any context or is merely a collection of indiscriminate "facts" then it has no place in the article. Even India-based contributors at WT:INB have noted that it is quite common to find abysmal writing in India-related articles, usually because of the language comprehension issues. People naturally think that they are ok writing in English but really they are not. Sometimes the writing can be copyedited, and sometimes it cannot. Occasionally, it is so bad that after a while the contributor finds themselves being guided towards one of the many Indic language Wikipedias, where their input might be of more benefit because they would be using their native language. - Sitush (talk) 08:56, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Vishwakarma Puja

On 17th September (Kanya Sankranti Day), every year.124.247.213.35 (talk) 08:15, 17 September 2012 (UTC)