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Bustan al-Qasr

Clashes took place between the two sides in Bustan al-Qasr.SOHR Hanibal911 (talk) 10:29, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

And also please update this map on based of this map Hanibal911 (talk) 10:34, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Kallaseh

Pro opposition source said that rebels of al-Mujahideen Army targeted military bases of the pro-Assad forces in Kallaseh neighbourhood in the city of Aleppo, using heavy artillery. al-Mujahideen Army fighters targeted gatherings of the pro-regime forces in the Fire Department in Kallaseh neighbourhood.source Hanibal911 (talk) 10:56, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Military Research Center

It has fallen. Only YouTube and Twitter at the moment, but the mainstream media should catch up soon.--197.111.223.228 (talk) 20:41, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

News confirmed: http://eaworldview.com/2014/08/syria-daily-civilian-death-toll-spikes-125-killed-sunday/ --197.171.76.160 (talk) 06:45, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Also rebels are entering al-Assad Suburb in Hamdaniya[1][2][3] Time to finally update this long stalemated map! Moester101 (talk) 20:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

In regards to the military research center claim, youtube and twitter are forbidden as sources on Wikipedia (you did not even provide the links) and eaworldview is a heavily pro-opposition site which has already been banned per talk at the main map of the Syrian war as a source, unless it reports on government advances. Also, as far as I can see, eaworld view is also basing its report on a rebel propaganda video (not really reliable). Otherwise, feel free to make the area near the academy contested, seems that has been confirmed by SOHR. EkoGraf (talk) 15:37, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Military Academy

A neutral source [4] has surfaced stating the attack on the military academy was catastrophically repelled so please do not make further attempts to colour the area as contested. Thank you! EkoGraf (talk) 13:51, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

One more source saying the same http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/08/11/235982/moderate-rebels-face-worsening.html.Paolowalter (talk) 17:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

The same source states that Haidariah is government controlled. The area where fighting is going mentioned in the source on is likely to be that between Hanano and Owaja (See map http://wikimapia.org/#lang=de&lat=36.252649&lon=37.199879&z=15&m=b&permpoly=105540).Paolowalter (talk) 17:44, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

On the west, the rebels made a push last week to capture the city’s military academy, the major government-held installation in the city’s western quadrant. But attack, however, ended in catastrophe, exposing the rebels to repeated attacks from the air, even at night, that made it impossible to move men and weapons freely. Also government already controls, the industrial zone and the al Haidariah district in the city’s northeast. Ledger-EnquirerCharlotte ObserverThe TelegraphSun HeraldVC StarMcClatchly DCIdaho StatesmanMiami Herald I think that no one will say that it is not reliable sources. Hanibal911 (talk) 19:10, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

All those sources are of the exact same article which was likely relayed from the AP. While it only mentions Haidariyah in one sentence, if such a change in hands had occurred it would have been mentioned by SOHR at the least. Also, I don't see the logic in how the SAA can enter and control Haidariyah without first going through (and controlling) northern Hanano district [5] which wasn't mentioned at all. Can you blame me for being skeptical? Moester101 (talk) 04:33, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I see you completely ignore the data that have been provided from reliable sources! But you immediately changed Military Research Center under rebel control on the basis of only one message from the pro opposition source! You are editing a map in favor of the rebels on the basis of delusional sources but reject military successes that prove reliable sources. If you edit a card, you must not be biased and edited on the basis of data obtained from reliable sources, but alas you not do this! Also you deny the fact that the rebels themselves have recognized that the Haydarya district under army control. Hanibal911 (talk) 09:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I am not ignoring anything. All I said was that all those sources are actually counted as one because they are all the exact same article they retrieved from the Associated Press. Such a significant change as making Haidariah red would have undoubtedly been mentioned either by 1) SOHR or 2) in greater detail than the brief 1-sentence mention in the articles provided. Note that I did not say anything about the credibility of the sources provided. Don't forget that I've made numerous green-to-red and green-to-olive changes in the past, so claiming bias on my part is nonsensical. Finally you didn't respond to the fact that SAA can't possibly physically reach Haidariah without going through rebel northern Hanano. Moester101 (talk) 20:54, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Kalasseh

The source http://aranews.net/2014/07/islamic-rebels-attack-pro-assad-forces-aleppo-killing-five/ (thanks to Hanibal911) reports that SAA control all or part of Kalasseh neighborood, that is shown full green in the map. It must become at least partially red.Paolowalter (talk) 20:28, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

This info fits with the map https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsi8_1ACMAMCpc0.jpg:large that provides a picture quite different from the one from this map. It confirms that Bustan al Qasr is almost completely under SAA control. It should be used tp update our map.Paolowalter (talk) 20:42, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I already showed the flaws of Hanibal's source in my previous comment. As for the accuracy of PBS's map, the fact that they painted the Umayyad mosque and areas just south of the citadel (especially palace of justice) as red shows you how much these people know about the situation in Aleppo... Moester101 (talk) 04:40, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Zahraa

This is interesting, SOHR says Jam'iaat alZahraa is taken by Islamists, anyone else hear of this? [6]