Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tanbe10

Tanbe10

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Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines and WP:BAND. All of the sources are social media and blogs even, as far as I can tell the Persian ones. There is not even a claim they have charted on a national chart and the Top50songs.org caused my computer to open an email window to send some bogus "virus report" so if there is a legitimate claim there, which seems doubtful, it should be referenced elsewhere. Jbh ^Talk 17:02, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Jbh ^Talk 17:41, 23 October 2016 (UTC) [reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Jbh ^Talk 17:41, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Underground music in Iran is a forbidden act in the country due to political and religious laws and keeping good record of the history of these kinds of movements is not as easy as in other places. there are very few lucky Iranian underground musicians that made their way abroad to be able to tell their story in reliable sources. But, that being said, as the writer of the article, I did base the article on some good sources too like SPICEE media or TV interviews and I will do my best to find better sources as I complete the article. I will also include links to charts and albums from Radiojavan (the number 1 source of Persian music). Wikipedia is an open encyclopedia so I also think that people will contribute to this article by providing better sources by time. Thank you. Pourya fa (talk) 10:18, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Pourya fa: I thought a lot before nominating this article. I agree that it is a significant achievement for any pop music band from Iran to be known outside of the country. It is, however, the fate of most underground music to be, well, underground and not get much mainstream coverage. The issue is none of their coverage, as far as I can tell, meets the criteria for being reliable sources. The requirements that the source have good editorial control and have a reputation for fact checking and accuracy disqualifies the blogs, Instagram, Facebook, portal, etc sources. Much of the other material links to copyrighted works on sites like YouTube so it is hard to assess whether these are RS or Vlogs.

If you would make some specific arguements pointing out two or three independent reliable sources which have signinficant coverage (say a few paragraphs of text or three or so minutes of comentary) I would be more than happy to reconsider my nomination. Jbh ^Talk 13:29, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Jbhunley: Thank you for the answer. It is not the fact that they are underground musicians like other places, in some countries like Iran, hip-hop is forbidden and can not be signed. it is a political movement that I am trying to track down for everybody in the world who seeks the history of these movements, and this is just the begining. I understand wikipedia's policies so I added new references and edited the article a bit. there are links to other significant artists like Alireza JJ, Atour, Bahram Nouraei, Erfan that fled the country...some of the sources were translated like the interviews. not all of the references were blogs and facebook pages and as I am writing the history of these bands and musicians I think that they are really significant and we can not compare them with other underground groups from around the world. they introduced Justina, a rapper girl. she is famous now because singing is forbidden for women in the country there are documentaries about her. there are links to her interviews and articles about her that she points out the begining of her fame and Tanbe10. I propose you to give this article a chance if possible and other RS will be added by time. thank you again.Pourya fa (talk) 16:37, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:01, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

keep The article is well written, neutral in tone, and does bear some measure of cultural and artistic significance. The artists do seem to have achieved some notoriety and the sources do seem to support the material, albeit of somewhat dubious quality. A closer examination may be justified. I do think the article would be less a candidate for deletion if it had been written in the larger context of, say, political persecution or the underground movement as a whole. As currently written it comes off more as a sober sales pitch than an encyclopedic entry. Despite this subjective flaw I do think it meets minimum standards, barring any future revelations about the truthfulness of the claims. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:445:8002:BC40:D881:6C8:35AC:EA7C (talk) 13:57, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@2601:445:8002:BC40:D881:6C8:35AC:EA7C: Thank you for your kind contribution. I agree with the flaws that you mentioned and made some changes to the article regarding the "political persecution and underground movement" relations to the matter. Also added some other sources and references. I will continue to improve it over time. still waiting for this nomination to be withdrawn and not be relisted forever. thank you again. Pourya fa (talk)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 01:20, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 02:35, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I think a fair amount of leeway should be given to band foreign bands -- it's hard to get English sources for Iranian bands. That doesn't mean they're not at least somewhat notable in Iran. WP:BAND #5 wants two albums, and they have two. Whether those are major-label albums I'm not sure. It's hard to know what is a major label in Iran. But let's give them the break and assume they meet WP:BAND #5. And you've got a decent article with a fair amount of refs. Keep. Herostratus (talk) 00:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]