Talk:Copenhagen

Hi. I don't know if this is a problem with the article, or with the new thumb markup, or with my browser (I'm running MSIE 6.0), but this article looks wrong around the 'See' and 'Do' sections, with text and pictures piling up in an apparantly random collision. -- (WT-en) Chris j wood 09:12, 11 Aug 2004 (EDT)

I know. I tried playing with the tags, but it did not help. But i hope it will look when there is more text. User:(WT-en) Elgaard

Tivoli

I think Tivoli should get its own article. (WT-en) elgaard 12:54, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Nah, it's not nearly big enough for that (WT-en) Sertmann 05:58, 13 September 2008 (EDT)

Check the new Indre By article, I covered Tivoli in a infobox, to separate the content. I'm not quite sure if we should cover the restaurants there - as i think adding restaurants to the infobox would break the lay out (WT-en) Sertmann 18:08, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

Kastellet

I think Kastellet should be merged with Østerbro (WT-en) Sertmann 14 September 2008 (EDT)

i merged Kastellet with Østerbro :-) , i also merged Christianshavn and Holmen, you can't sleep there, and it's much easier to build on the article this way - did quite a lot of work on the Christianshavn district too. (WT-en) Sertmann 17:49, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Merged Nord-Vest and Nørrebro, i tried expanding Nord Vest as a district in itself, but couldn't get it to work. And i think the new merged district, though a work in progress is turning out quite nicely. (WT-en) Sertmann 18:05, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

Wanted pictures

High quality pictures of...

• Copenhagen Central station (under Get in)
• Copenhagen Airport (under Get in)

OK, I will just some here for now. You can use the ones you prefer.

(WT-en) elgaard 14:44, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

More merging

I think the area surrounding Copenhagen is very messy, I would propose creating two new disticts in Copenhagen.

• Nothern Copenhagen Covering the northern part of Storkøbenhavn, from Østerbro to a ring of Farum, Holte, Søllerød and Vedbæk including Lyngby,Charlottenlund, Klampenborg and Skodsborg
• Vestegnen covering the south western part of Copenhagen, from Frederiksberg to a ring of Ballerup, Herlev, Taastrup and Greve (including Ishøj)

Vestegnen is incorrect. Vestegnen does not start at Frederiksberg at all, but after Valby and Sydhavnen. It includes the following areas: Albertslund, Ballerup, Brøndby, Gladsaxe, Glostrup, Herlev, Hvidovre, Høje-Taastrup, Ishøj, Rødovre, Vallensbæk

And in the Get out section list, and get some good articles on (and limiting work too)

• Humlebæk for Louisiana
• Helsingør Kronborg (merging with Nivå)
• Nordkysten a regional article covering the beaches and towns on the northern coast (merging with Hundested)
• Fredensborg for Fredensborg slot (including Nøddebo)
• Hillerød Frederiksborg slot
• Frederikssund For the Viking games
• Roskilde Roskilde Cathedral, Lejre and the Viking ship museum
• Køge For the old town and Vallø castle
• Malmö for Malm¨hus etc.

And then merging anything else in the north eastern part of Zealand, into a good Zealand article

That's the magic 9 :)

Thoughts? - (WT-en) Sertmann 08:07, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

not bad. We should not join Nivå with Elsinore, especially with Humlebæk between. I would prefer to have an Øresund Coast region from Tårbæk to Elsinore, Where do we put, eg Holte? --(WT-en) elgaard 15:07, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

I have no problem with that. But i still think a North Copenhagen district with Hellerup, Emdrup, Farum, Holte and Vedbæk or Klampenborg as it's corners - is the way to go. Even though it get's a bit large geographically, i think it's the best solution. (WT-en) Sertmann 21:02, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

OK, made the changes to the [[Copenhagen/Northern suburbs|Northern suburbs], and left Strandvejen north of Klampenborg for you to do an edit of (note i've included Dyrehavsbakken in the district) but everything north of that is yours. (WT-en) Sertmann 10:25, 6 November 2008 (EST)

guide

is copenhagen ready for a guide status? keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 14:51, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

No, not yet - I'm still like 5 districts down before I come close to guide status - besides the main article is a sorry mess, which i don't intend to improve before i finish the districts :o)

Oh, I know what you mean, get all the information into the districts first. yaya:)! I was just thinking, the article looked good, silly me, forgot to look at the districts. Hmm well have a great day...oh where you are it is...11:01PM right? So have good day tomorrow, heheheeh. Keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 15:01, 30 October 2008 (EDT)

help wanted: place to stay for a couple with a baby

Maybe this place can help with recommendations?

I am looking for a hotel to stay with my wife and a 4 months-old baby in Copenhagen for New Year (something like Dec 28-Jan 7). The key thing we are looking for is "a place pleasant to spend many hours per day". We always loved family-run small pensions and villas with distinctive character and charm--and it would be great if we can find a hotel of no more than 100 rooms (10-20 rooms is even better). However, if there's a huge chain hotel where someone had really wonderful experience of spending much time with a baby--it would be also appreciated. The budget we are thinking is something like 800-1000DKK, if we understand the prices right. And, if it can help: here are some hotels that we really loved in the past--and that can fit our present needs: , , . --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 18:10, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Hey Denis. Since I live here i don't really stay much at Hotels. But the warm owners of the tiny (16 room) Hotel Rye, always comes with the warmest of recomendations - although, the bathrooms are shared, it doesn't seem like that much of a deal, since it has a feel of staying in the owners home - it's hard to beat in terms of uniqueness and atmosphere.

If you want something a bit more upmarket, Hotel Fox is cool, stylish and personal, and i have heard good things about it. If you are looking for something else, please let me know, and I'll try to sort you out. Also if you need a local guide one of the days, give me a shout, and i'll be happy to help, if I can make it fit. Remeber to print the wikivoyage guide - im hard at work on making it a jewel, and it should be pretty much up to speed by the end of December :) (WT-en) Sertmann 18:29, 31 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks, Sertmann--your recommendations are great, you actually read my thoughts :-) Maybe only several things that I can add:

• it's my first time at Copenhagen, although my wife spent about 3 days there, several years ago
• as we'll move around with a stroller, it'd be ideal if we reach most of the sights by foot, and to be able to return to the hotel at a short notice :-) -- so living in the downtown is the best option. In this sense, Hotel Fox is excellent
• as for character and feeling, it's difficult to describe... Hotel Fox is bit urban and over-hitech/anime, uhm, cold?--more for younger people (iPod generation, you know :-) Rye looks personal, but may be on the other end of the age range, more for 50 years+? I mean, something more warm, personal, cozy than Fox (but not a grandma(?) style as Rye) would be just perfect.
• pitifully, private bathroom are essential when you stay with a young baby--as you need to visit it multiple times per night
• (and of course, EUR120 is better than 160EUR, but life is not always fair :-)

BTW, how (un)typical is it to expect warm breakfast (like eggs, bacon, porridge etc) in a hotel? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 05:23, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

Well what about this place I found while doing some research for updating Amager - it looks nice, but I don't know anything about it.

• <sleep name="House of Colors" alt="" address="Badensgade 2" directions="" phone="+45 32 97 71 97" email="info@houseofcolors.dk" fax="" url="http://houseofcolors.dk" checkin="2PM" checkout="10.30AM" price="580 DKK for 1 person, 680 for 2 persons per night, discount for stays of 1 week or longer. ">Not quite your ordinary apartment rentals, in a 19th-century house situated a quite neighborhood. Features nice colorful rooms as the name might give away, and a lovely little garden</sleep>

As for breakfast, don't expect it to be included unless explicitly noted somewhere - and DON'T expect warm breakfast. Except maybe for eggs, Danish breakfast is very much bread based - white bread with cheese or jam and Danish, is the most typical - typically served as a buffet. While a guess major chains would offer the standard French, English and continental breakfast sets. (WT-en) Sertmann 17:23, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Maybe the Bethel or Opera in Copenhagen/Indre_By#Sleep (WT-en) elgaard 19:06, 4 November 2008 (EST)

• House of Colors: I have stayed at House of Colors twice. The first time in 2002 when Gitte Kongstad was the proprietor and the second time this past summer (2009) under new ownership. Although the new owner is not as friendly and passionate as Gitte was, House of Colors is still a fantastic place to stay. It is 2 or 3 1 bedroom apartments w/ a full kitchen, dining table and a small living room. There is also a nice garden with tables and free use of old but serviceable bicycles. Within easy walking distance is the main beach, The Amager Center shopping mall with 2 grocery stores and other shops and the main street Amagerbrogade which has many small shops and restaurants including a great takeaway pizza joint run by Italians called Massimo The place is approximately 3 km from the town center. Walkable but a bit far to say it's an easy walk. There is a metro stop 100 meters away and frequent bus service. Christianhavn is a bit closer (1 to 1.5 km away) about halfway into the town center. But in Copenhagen, riding a bicycle is the way to go. Bike paths are everywhere and take you anywhere you want to go safely and quickly. Plus, when riding, you feel like a local and are inspired to ride all over the city and see things you never would walking or taking mass transit. I believe their website has been shut down and they are using facebook as their point of contact Make sure you book early as they fill up quickly.

not in general to copenhageen

but how do you get those colour tabs beside the districts to make match the map? hmm i saw there was a code...keep smiling, (WT-en) ee ^talk 18:45, 5 November 2008 (EST).

I'd rather wait explaining this, til I get some responses from my post in the pub (WT-en) Sertmann 10:26, 6 November 2008 (EST)

Ok I saw that. Anyways, I'd like to know. Maybe I should ask the creator of the map? Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee ^talk 16:49, 6 November 2008 (EST).

Well, that would be me... (WT-en) Sertmann 17:28, 8 November 2008 (EST)

I mean the creator of the Edmonton one...Shaund! Duh, heheheh. Happy first day of snow in Edmonton, (WT-en) ee ^talk 14:48, 11 November 2008 (EST).

Copenhagen district map

I've experimented a bit with using the region map template on Copenhagen's district map - And would love to get some feedback. (WT-en) Sertmann 14:55, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

I saw that, Sertmann and I actually learnt from it. It is very interesting and VERYVERY well detailed from geo features to the transit lines ( I don't know what you guys use there-Light Rail, Passenger Rail, Subway...) but yeah! Fantastic work! keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 15:02, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

Tis a work of art, looks really, really nice... good work! The only thing I think is missing is a scale that shows distance – (WT-en) cacahuate ^talk 21:15, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Looks really good. I was trying to do the same thing with Vancouver, but you've done it better! The only additional thing I'd like to see if I was using the map would be the names of some of the major streets. (WT-en) Shaund 21:35, 4 November 2008 (EST)

I second Shaund's comments. Great work Sertmann. (WT-en) Tarr3n 04:53, 6 November 2008 (EST)

Well thank you guys for the kind words, appreciated :) but what I really wanted a comment was using the region map template (i.e. the colored boxes before the district names and descriptions) on a city article. Does that confuse anybody? or is everything happy dandy? (WT-en) Sertmann 09:20, 6 November 2008 (EST)

Oh, Chicago already does that, and that's a star, so I think you're probably good to go. =) (WT-en) LtPowers 16:44, 6 November 2008 (EST)

How do you do that Sertmann? I would love that for Edmonton. Happy first day of snow in Edmonton, (WT-en) ee ^talk 14:48, 11 November 2008 (EST).

Main article and districts

Just wanted to tip my hat at the work being done on the maps and the districts, they're looking great. Alas, the main page still needs a lot of work, with tons and tons of pointers to top attractions etc needed... (WT-en) Jpatokal 03:12, 13 November 2008 (EST)

Why thank you Mr Patokallio. My plan is to get the districts up to speed first, and then attack the front page. Which is why i nominated this for Collaboration of the Month sometime next year, cause I haven't got the first clue on how to save the main page. Also in talks with Mark on doing the remaining district maps as a Opensteetmap.org import in connection with that. Who knows, maybe it can reach WTPress standard sometime in the future (WT-en) Sertmann 03:28, 13 November 2008 (EST)

I'd like to say some thing similar. Sertmann, you have done a splendid job and Copenhagen will be the best article-well articles, in the Eastern Hemisphere! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee ^talk 10:31, 13 November 2008 (EST).

I've noticed that a number of attractions listed (see Art for example) have been separated out of their bullet points, and that all relevant information, location, opening times, contact phone numbers etc. has been removed. The sections are much more difficult to read in this format, plus you need to buy a guide book, which seems to defeat the whole point of Wikivoyage! January 18th 2009 (WT-en) Spircle

Hmmmm I really don't know how to make it any clearer than writing "Complete listings can be found in the appropriate districts" and linking to the districts throughout the main article. Should that paragraph be copied into every subsection? a big disclaimer be written in the start of the article? or how do I make it more obvious? --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 13:13, 18 January 2009 (EST)

Apologies, I was used to finding all of the relevant information on the main page, and hadn't realised that it had since been sub-divided by district. There's an awful lot of text in the article, so it's easy to miss the link to the districts if you're only browsing one sub-section. I agree that it's probably best to leave it the way it is, rather than duplicating information, but if I get any better ideas, I'll let you know. (WT-en) Spircle 19 January 2009

Infoboxes

Swept in from the pub:

OK, this might be a bit specific for the pub, but I'd like some comments on the use of info boxes as I seem to be breaking the standard on some of my district articles

• Copenhagen/Indre By
• Copenhagen/Christianshavn
• Copenhagen/Northern suburbs

I don't think I've turned the article into something akin to wikipedia, which seems to be the main concern - the function is mainly to separate out content, that don't really warrant it's own article, but don't really mix well with the main content either. Christiania in particular is a special case, since it's essentially a city within the city, but doesn't offer sleeping options - and doesn't have enough content (as of now anyway) to work as a separate district (same case as the Vatican I suppose).

I'll sweep this into the Copenhagen talk page once I've gotten some comments, and please don't worry about the images on the Christianshavn district, They're there merely as a place holder, until I finish up the article.

--(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 13:10, 27 November 2008 (EST)

My take is as follows. The Tivoli infobox is appropriate, though I do think it should be trimmed down a little more. The Christiania infobox would work better as a district article of Copenhagen-- the "must-have-a-place-to-sleep" rule doesn't have to be rigid when it comes to districts with plenty to see, do and eat. The Mølleå river infobox could go either way-- if there is enough interesting information to be added it could potentially make an itinerary article. Otherwise it ought to be pruned and reworded a bit so as not to take up quite so much space. Hope that helps! (WT-en) Texugo 07:43, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Credit Card

Since I am lazy, can someone mention that credit card without embedded SIM card or PIN code does not work in Copenhagen, I've been there twice in 2008, very few stores are willing to accept my Master Card or Visa Card. (Excepts on the shops in Stroget the tourist area), simular experiences in Malmo, Roskilde, Helsingor, Hillerod. Luckily it's a nation with low crime rate on tourists, I always ended up carry lots cash, but with every meal cost about 200 Kr in the restaurants, buy transportation fare on cash, I ended up have to run to bank all the time. It is very strange, I talked to customer services on both Visa and Master Card, they said this is not possible and should be accepted, but it is. (WV-en) Kyle 10:10, 8 January 2009 (PST)

Denmark is pretty unique since the entire system is build around a unrivalled domestic card, the Dankort, which is universally used for domestic purchases - the card are usually a double issue Dankort/visa, where the visa part is only used abroad. Because of this the system is build up differently than in other countries, and this means - yes - pin only, and pretty much that other cards than visa/mastercard is only accepted very few places. However you should be fine at restaurants as they use swipe terminals, but that is pretty much the only place you can get by without a pin. (WT-en) Stefan 15:01, 8 January 2009 (EST)

What I meant was to mention this credit card situation in the Article page, so bring cash, tourists! (WT-en) Kyle 17:15, 8 January 2009 (PST)

Yeah, I realized, only thing is I'm not sure it should be included - so I left the explanation here, for others to use. Is Visa/Mastercards with[out] a pin a common occurrence anywhere? I've certainly never heard about it before. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 11:38, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Bump, anyone?

It's spreading like cancer in Europe, but pretty much unknown elsewhere. Looking at my recent travels, it was ubiquitous in Finland, very common in Ireland, and unknown in eg. Germany, Luxembourg or anywhere in the Middle East/Asia. Some Singaporean banks are introducing it now though. See also Money#Credit cards. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:06, 14 January 2009 (EST)

Just to clarify i meant withOUT a pin.... --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 13:38, 14 January 2009 (EST)

America still does not issue chip and pin and in fact many American cards are issues without a PIN at all, particularly business cards (presumably to stop people withdrawing cash with them). Unfortunately more and more places in CPH are switching to using the new black and red boxes that can only be used with a PIN. The clerk will have only two options - to let you enter the pin or to cancel the transaction. You used to be able to buy tickets from DSB (the train company) using a PINless card, but now they have also changed (late 2009).

Status

Work that needs be done before we can elevate Copenhagen to guide status

District	Status	Missing
Front Page	Star	Maybe write a theatre overview in DO section, though most performances are in Danish.
Amager	Star	copy editing
Christiania	Guide	a comprehensive understand section, map, plus research on Cafe Oasen, Marzbar, Sommerbutikken and Yak Celica.
Christianshavn	Guide	Section introductions
Frederiksberg	Guide	Expand and complete get in/get around + Værnedamsvej sections
Indre by	Guide	Could use some section introductions
Northern suburbs	Guide	Shopping section is the only remaining issue
Nørrebro	Guide	Section introductions
Vestegnen	Guide	Could use some introductions, map is missing.
Vesterbro	Guide
Østerbro	Guide	fix map

Currency

This article, and district-articles, is not according to MoS, regarding currency. (WT-en) ViMy 11:56, 15 May 2009 (EDT)

Damn you! I was really hoping no one would notice :) There is no established national standard for the Danish currency; Kroner/Kr/Kr./kr/,-/DKR/DKK are all used to varying degrees in local shops, but online DKK is almost exclusively used, so personally I think it's the one that makes most sense to use here. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 18:06, 15 May 2009 (EDT)

I just checked through a lot of other Scandinavian cities, and NOK,SEK,ISK and EEK seemed to be used in all of them, maybe it comes natural, as a way to distinguish what sort of kroner/kronor we are talking about. I'll put this up in the currency talk page. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 18:13, 15 May 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, to create a probem :) But it was a minor issue that had to be solved, since Copenhagen is soon up to Star-status. (WT-en) ViMy 11:35, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

There is an ISO standard. It is DKK (WT-en) elgaard 05:07, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

Literature

I was wondering what the literature section will be for. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] ^.T.A.L.K. 15:32, 23 May 2009 (EDT).

Womex

Want to incorporate something about Womex ? – (WT-en) cacahuate ^talk 16:44, 25 May 2009 (EDT)

Money

Shouldn't the "money" section of Cope be moved to Buy? (WT-en) Globe-trotter 06:24, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

Recent edits

Someone seems hell bent on introducing inaccuracies around the Copenhagen article; introducing false exchange rates and inflating prices unrealisticly, also it seems like the weird .com -> .co.uk changer guy is back. I may not be very keen on Wikivoyage anymore, but I'm not to happy about all my work being demoted either, So I'll try to check through the Copenhagen articles once a week or so, if unsure please leave edits unpatrolled and let me or Claus run through the changes. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^talk 09:56, 22 March 2010 (EDT)

Glad to see you're still checking in! I too would hate to see the great work you put into these articles fall into decline. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 15:43, 22 March 2010 (EDT)

EDIT: Swebus tickets can no longer be purchased on the bus. Source: http://www.swebus.se/SwebusExpress_com/Customer_Service/FAQ/Buy-a-ticket/

The name of the place

Say, should we not create a redirect for Kopenhaven or something? --(WT-en) Faust 15:06, 12 October 2010 (EDT)

Wonderful Copenhagen!

Swept in from the pub

OK now, the Eurovision Song Contest, the biggest live television event in Europe, is starting in Copenhagen TODAY (and will last for a week), with thousands of tourists arriving to the city already in its best season. Our articles on Copenhagen and its districts were once a paragon of high quality, but by now have sadly fallen behind and could use a little brush-up. I will be working on those all through the week and perhaps beyond it, also updating and researching what can be done on the spot once I arrive (I am the backing singer for Luxembourg this year - just joking). I could use some help on that though, as the amount of work is massive, so if you have some spare WV time on your hands and have not decided what to spend it on, here are a few proposals on what you can do:

1. Copyedit - some of the articles accrued a fair share of offhand comments, poor formatting and other sediment and need a good copyeditor's hand. You don't need to know Copenhagen at all to do this, moreover, you can learn about the city while copyediting
2. Add photos - we do not have as many nice photos of Copenhagen in the Commons as I'd wish (the weather in the city can often not be very conducive to taking nice pics), but still, we use precious little of even what we have. It is hard to get a good idea of what to expect from Copenhagen and the particular districts now, so I believe we should scour the Commons (and the CC-licensed photos of Flickr) and try to illustrate the POIs and other stuff our articles cover.
3. Update public transportation data - seems a bit tedious, but if you are planning on going to CPH, this can be worthwhile for yourself, and certainly adds a lot of value to the travellers. Movia's website is easy to figure out and doing a bit of research is a great way to wrap your mind around the city. We have to check ticket pricing, but also the line numbers, stops etc. and add/update info on how to get between certain parts of the city and POIs.
4. Update hours, prices and descriptions - many POIs were last added in the past decade, and their hours, prices etc. may not be correct anymore. Moreover, some of the descriptions are woefully inadequate. This is not hard and you can add value by spending just a fe minutes on research and editing.
5. Add coords and Dynamic Maps - CPH districts used to have brilliant static maps, but those maps got outdated as new POIs were added and some got closed, and now they are no longer relevant to their articles. While the dream thing would be for somebody to update the static maps, the more realistic expectation is for us to start updating the coords of the POIs and add Dynamic Maps while keeping the static variant as an option for those with JavaScript turned off.

To do any of the above, you do not have to know Copenhagen. This is all common-sense and actually exploring stuff may be a cool way of getting to know the city and inspiring oneself to visit it one day. The information is amply available online and the trouble is not with finding it, but rather with the sheer manpower required to put it into articles. The city is already well districtified and articles organized, so it is more about a lot of small tasks than a paramount piece of work requiring lots of conceptual thinking.
As I mentioned, I will keep on working, time permitting. Do let me know if you are joining the effort and what will be your focus, not to edit over oneselves. Mange tak! PrinceGloria (talk) 06:51, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Bump? PrinceGloria (talk) 10:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I guess the Eurovision Song Contest mystifies our American editors :) (Actually it should mystify us Euro people too, but we all watch it anyway) Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:58, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Ah, good old Eurovision! We definitely should put at least some work into our Copenhagen article, though aren't we running out of time? I think the final's tomorrow! (I would encourage any editors who aren't blessed with this annual Euro-delight to search for it on YouTube and discover the wonder/horror for themselves!) :) --Nick ^talk 01:53, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Good to see 'Donatan & Cleo' got to the final! Good luck PrinceGloria! Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:12, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

We did miss this opportunity (insert unpleasant words here), but being in CPH now I see that we DO need to do a lot of work on that. I hope we manage to rally popular support behind the effort in the way we did for Munich, because we have a good base to work on. I am here until Monday, so I can do ground research and such. User:Andrewssi2, User:Nicholasjf21, will you #JoinUs? PrinceGloria (talk) 08:47, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

PS1. This year it is far from horror, we were discussing in the enormous queues to B&W Hallerne with people from other countries how there is nothing to laugh about anymore, almost all songs are good.

PS2. That said, tonight's interval acts are embarrassing and prove the Danes have little idea about what is sense of humour, so you may skip that and take a loo break (I saw them yesterday in the dress rehearsal).

PS3. I don't root for Poland actually, I hated the song (it got popular before it was even considered for the ESC), but people here seem to love it. I root for the Netherlands, as the song is great and every reason to visit the country is good. But I guess we may be going to Vienna (the Wiener takes it all), which would be a good reason to give our guide a few finishing touches!

I think you'll find that most people outside Europe are largely unaware of the scope of the Eurovision phenomenon, even if they're aware of the contest itself. I myself had never heard of it until a few years ago, and then only on Wikipedia. It just doesn't get any media attention here at all. Powers ^(talk) 21:26, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Err, Umerica isn't "most people outside Europe" 86.29.147.167 21:26, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Whatever people outside or inside Europe may think of Eurovision Song Contest, it surely DOES draw a major influx of tourists to a city that hosts it, both during, before and sometime after it. Therefore, we certainly should take note and make sure our articles on Eurovision destinations are up to date. We now have a year to brush up Vienna (which has had much done recently, but is a truly huge city with many districts and countless POIs, so needs a lot of attention and work still), and there is still work to be done regarding Copenhagen. Please join me in the latter as I seem to be the only one doing anything to what was once our flagship city guide. PrinceGloria (talk) 22:04, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Eurovision is well known in Australia for sure. East Asia not so much. Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:27, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Our guide to Copenhagen deserves our attention and quality editing. Discussing Eurovision not so much. PrinceGloria (talk) 04:41, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

All our guides deserve attention and quality editing. Furthermore, I don't find the discussion of Eurovision to be impertinent at all: my reading of it is that we're trying to determine, given that there are huge swaths of the Anglosphere that have little or no interest in Eurovision, how high a priority sprucing up host cities' articles on English Wikivoyage should be. It's a perfectly valid question. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:52, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Cities that hosted Eurovision say that they experience a surge of at least 60% in the number of visitors when they host Eurovision, and those are almost exclusively leisure travellers (and not e.g. business travellers going on a short business visit who would have much less interest in our guides). They also see sustained interest in their city due to extensive media exposure in the year they host. Usually, tourist infrastructure sees a major update and expansion when the Eurovision is planned to be hosted in a city, and thus our guides could use an update anyway. PrinceGloria (talk) 05:11, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Metro and S-tog not showing up

They are no where to be found on the dynamic map. How come? Hobbitschuster (talk) 03:02, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Cars and parking

Even though this is a star rated article, I have still not found any information on how to get in with a car and how parking works. Philaweb (talk) 21:43, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Second map (with rails)

This is not very good. "Northern Suburbs" ? (Nordsjjælland covers the entire of north-east Zeeland). Valby station is located at two different locations ! (south of Frederiksberg, but als west of Frederiksberg; suppose Vanløse was meant by maker.

Get in by bus

I have been blocked from updating this section — most of the companies listed have disappeared, or been merged into Flixbus.

I suggest updating the section with this content:

===By bus===
[[File:Cph oresund.jpg|thumb|The 8-km Øresund bridge leading to Malmö in Sweden]]
Buses between Jutland and Copenhagen are only marginally cheaper than the train, although there are considerable discounts offered Monday to Thursday. International buses on the other hand offer considerably lower prices than the train, and destinations east of Berlin may also be faster by bus.

The new Copenhagen Busterminal (''Københavns Busterminal'') next to Dybbølsbro Station in the [[Copenhagen/Vesterbro|Vesterbro]] district opened in June 2024.

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[[File:Oslo ferry docked at the DFDS terminal on Østerbro.JPG|thumb|The Oslo ferry docked at the DFDS terminal in the Østerbro district]]

From and to [[Poland]] there are a host of different bus companies each with a few weekly scheduled departures. Unfortunately the market is very fluid and routes and operators tend to change rapidly. ''[http://agat.eu/ Agat]'' provides four round trips per week between Copenhagen and [[Katowice]] (20 hr) in Southern Poland, and ''[http://eurobus.pl Eurobus]'' for connections with [[Warsaw]] (20 hr via [[Hamburg]]) once per week. If any of these companies have shut down, try searching for alternatives, as there is a good chance someone else will have taken over the traffic.

Ƕ (talk) 13:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)