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== Choosing task categories ==

SuggestBot should only suggest articles that actually need help.  To do this we have a set of "task categories" (e.g. "cleanup" or "stub") in SuggestBot's configuration.  Each of those task categories corresponds to a specific set of Wikipedia categories.  This configuration is unique for each Wikipedia we support.  On the English Wikipedia we have eight categories in total and you can read more about them in the [[:en:User:SuggestBot/Documentation/Task categories|task category documentation]] (in English).

I now need some help to decide these categories for Russian Wikipedia. Through the language links from English Wikipedia I have found some candidates. Note that grabbing articles from sub-categories is not a problem, either direct sub-categories or restricted by name (for instance our search for stubs is restricted to categories matching "stub" in their name).

I am looking for feedback on how to prioritise these, suggestions for other categories to add to these task categories, and suggestions for task categories that I am missing.

{| class="wikitable sortable"
|-
! Task&nbsp;category
! Wikipedia&nbsp;category
! Article&nbsp;count
! Notes
|-
|| Merge
|| [[:Категория:Википедия:Кандидаты на объединение]]
|| {{formatnum:511}}
||
|-
|| Stubs
|| [[:Категория:Незавершённые статьи по темам]]
|| {{formatnum:380148}}
|| Looking 5 levels down, restricted to categories matching "Незавершённые статьи"
|-
|| Wikify
|| [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи к викификации]]
|| {{formatnum:23469}}
||
|-
|| Add sources
|| [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи без ссылок на источники]], [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи с утверждениями без источников]], and [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи без ссылок на источники]]
|| {{formatnum:74422}}
|| Searches immediate sub-categories of the latter two categories, excluding "Википедия:Статьи с сомнительной значимостью"
|-
|| Expand
|| [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи с незавершёнными разделами]]
|| {{formatnum:15441}}
||
|-
|| Orphan
|| [[:Категория:Википедия:Изолированные статьи]]
|| {{formatnum:23047}}
|| Searches immediate sub-categories.
|-
|| Objectivity
|| [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи, нейтральность которых поставлена под сомнение]]
|| {{formatnum:1623}}
||
|-
|| Images
|| [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи без иллюстраций]]
|| {{formatnum:46562}}
||
|-
|| Cleanup
|| [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи к переработке]]
|| {{formatnum:7168}}
||
|-
|| Update
|| [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи для обновления]]
|| {{formatnum:3168}}
||
|-
|| Translation help
|| [[:Категория:Википедия:Запросы на перевод]]
|| {{formatnum:5863}}
|| Also searches immediate sub-categories.
|-
|| Reliability
|| [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи, достоверность которых требует проверки]]
|| {{formatnum:5813}}
||
|-
|| Notability
|| [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи с сомнительной значимостью]]
|| {{formatnum:3463}}
||
|}

There are some task categories for SuggestBot that I could not find categories for in Russian:

* Cleanup (for general article cleanup)
* Update (an article might need update with newer information or is out-of-date)
* Translation help (articles that have been poorly translated to Russian)

As mentioned, feel free to add suggestions of your own if there are some that I have missed. And again, feedback on which categories to keep and which to drop (for instance there might be a translation category but it has few articles and is well-maintained) is particularly helpful.  Regards, [[User:Nettrom|Nettrom]] 18:41, 15 апреля 2014 (UTC)

: {{Reply to|Rubin16}} Sending you a ping so you get a notice about this discussion, posted as mentioned on enwiki yesterday.  Cheers, [[User:Nettrom|Nettrom]] 18:44, 15 апреля 2014 (UTC)

Gathered article counts Apr 16-17 and added those. [[User:Nettrom|Nettrom]] 15:52, 17 апреля 2014 (UTC)

When I sort the table by article count I get the sense that there are 6 obvious categories (Stubs, Sources, Images, Wikify, Orphan, and Expand), followed by 5 fairly large categories (Cleanup, Translation, Reliability, Notability, and Update).  Objectivity is also quite large, while I'm not sure the Merge category needs SuggestBot (it might be something the Russian Wikipedians want to run a project for instead).

How about we skip the Merge category and have SuggestBot suggest 3 articles from each of the remaining ones?  That will give 36 articles per set of suggestions, should be plenty to work with!  Pinging [[User:Rubin16|Rubin16]] just in case, if others have thoughts I'd be happy to hear them!  Regards, [[User:Nettrom|Nettrom]] 16:00, 17 апреля 2014 (UTC)
* [[User:Nettrom]], I completely agree with you to skip merge category :) [[User:Rubin16|rubin16]] 18:53, 17 апреля 2014 (UTC)

: @[[User:Rubin16|Rubin16]]: I configured SuggestBot with the 12 larger categories from the table and got it to do a test post in my sandbox, see [https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Участник:Nettrom/sandbox/suggestions&oldid=62650701 this revision].  Looks ok?

: There's a bit of translation work left before it's ready to go (the two templates used for posting, various system messages, parameter names and values). I have a Russian collaborator I'll ask to help me with that, but it should be ready for testing some time next week.  Regards, [[User:Nettrom|Nettrom]] 21:55, 20 апреля 2014 (UTC)

== Translating SuggestBot to Russian ==

To localise SuggestBot to Russian, several pages needs translation:

{| class='wikitable' |
|-
! Page
! Translated?
! Notes
|-
|| [[Участник:SuggestBot]]
|| Yes
||
|-
|| [[Участник:SuggestBot/Шаблоны/Запросы]]
|| Yes
||
|-
|| [[Участник:SuggestBot/Шаблоны/Регулярные]]
|| Yes
||
|-
|| [[Участник:SuggestBot/Запросы]]
|| Yes
|| 
|-
|| [[Участник:SuggestBot/Регулярные рекомендации]]
|| Yes
||
|-
|| [[Участник:SuggestBot/юзербокс]]
|| Yes
||
|}

If any of these pages should be moved to have better localized titles, please do so and I will update SuggestBot's configuration to handle it.

I have uploaded the relevant parts of SuggestBot's configuration to my bitbucket repository, it's a Python file that can be found here: [https://bitbucket.org/nettrom/suggestbot/src/3fe41b3a2d716f9489c4cb71e0decba957000c34/suggestbot/config/Config.py?at=master Config.py] The following parts of the configuration have strings that can be translated to Russian:

{| class='wikitable'
|-
! Key
! Notes
|-
|| EDIT_COMMENT
|| The edit comment SuggestBot uses when posting suggestions
|-
|| REPLACE_COMMENT
|| Edit comment used when SuggestBot removes a template from a user page, e.g. when the user adds the request template to their user page instead of their talk page.
|-
|| TEMPLATES
|| Must be updated if template titles are localized.
|-
|| CONFIG_TEMPLATES
|| Same as for TEMPLATES.
|-
|| TEMPLATE_STOPLIST
|| Same as for TEMPLATES.
|-
|| REQUEST_TEMPLATES
|| Same as for TEMPLATES.
|-
|| EMPTY_PLACEHOLDER
|| Used by the bot to save an otherwise empty page after removing the request template.
|-
|| TEMPLATE_PARAMETERS
|| Names of template parameters for the "config" and "userbox" templates.
|-
|| ONCE_MONTHLY
|| Parameter value for "frequency" to request suggestions once a month.
|-
|| TWICE_MONTHLY
|| Parameter value for "frequency" to request suggestions twice a month.
|-
|| WEEKLY
|| Parameter value for "frequency" to request suggestions once a week.
|-
|| RE_YES
|| Regular expression to match a parameter value of "yes".
|-
|| RE_NO
|| Regular expression to match a parameter of "no".
|}

Let me know if there are questions and I will help out! [[User:Nettrom|Nettrom]] 15:48, 26 апреля 2014 (UTC)

== Sending suggestions via wikimail ==

Hello. Could you enable your bot to send the suggestions via wikimail to subscribers who do not want their interests to be public? As for me, I would like to get the suggestions via wikimail as I'm going to do some political editing and I don't want my political interests to be displayed on my talkpage. --[[Участник:Синкретик|Синкретик]]/[[Оу:Синкретик|связь]]/[[Служебная:Вклад/Синкретик|вклад]] 17:54, 4 октября 2014 (UTC)

: Hi, and thanks for asking!  I've scheduled some time to look into that in the coming week, hopefully it should not be too difficult to make possible.  In the meantime, if you do not want the bot to post to your talkpage, you can create a subpage in your userspace (e.g. "Участник:Синкретик/suggestions", but if can of course be any name you want) and put either the [[Участник:SuggestBot/Запросы|request]] or [[Участник:SuggestBot/Регулярные рекомендации|subscription]] template there, and SuggestBot will put the suggestions there instead.  Regards, [[У:Nettrom|Nettrom]] ([[ОУ:Nettrom|обс]]) 15:43, 5 октября 2014 (UTC)

== [[Википедия:Портал_сообщества/Задачи|Community portal/Opentask]] ==

{{ping|Nettrom}} hello, is it possible to update this page automatically with SuggestBot? С уважением, [[Участник:Iniquity|Iniquity]] 20:37, 22 января 2017 (UTC)

: {{ping|Iniquity}} Hello! Yes, having SuggestBot update those lists is definitely possible! On English and Polish Wikipedia we have the bot pick five articles at random from a set of categories, so I'm thinking you'd be okay with doing the same thing here? I went and had a look at the categories that are linked at the bottom of each list, there were a couple of categories that I had some questions about:

:; [[:Категория:Статьи, требующие проверки на грамматические и орфографические ошибки|Copyedits]]
:: There's currently only 4 pages in this category. Is there a different category that contains articles that need copyediting, or will this category fill up? If it continues to be very small, maybe consider a different category altogether?
:; [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи,_подозреваемые_в_наличии_оригинальных_исследований|Original research]]
:: This category has subcategories by month and year. What SuggestBot will do in this case is to grab all the articles from all the subcategories and randomly pick five of them.
:; [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи_с_короткой_преамбулой|Lead cleanup]]
:: This category is quite small (currently 88 pages), but that might not be a problem (unless someone comes around and fixes all of them).
:; [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи без иллюстраций|Add images]]
:: We could do the same with this category as we do with "original research" (grab all the articles in the subcategories), or we can skip this category. On the English Wikipedia this category is maintained manually, because there it is difficult to grab a random set of articles. I noticed that here on Russian Wikipedia the subcategories are by subject, and I'm not sure if that complicates picking some articles at random.

: The remaining categories should be fine as they all contain plenty of articles: [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи_к_викификации|Wikify]], [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи_для_обновления|Update]], [[:Категория:Википедия:Очень короткие статьи|Stubs]], [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи, достоверность которых требует проверки|Verify]], and [[:Категория:Википедия:Плохой перевод|Translate]].

: Let me know your thoughts on the categories I had questions about. Once we have the setup figured out it should be easy to get the bot running since as mentioned it already maintains the list on the English and Polish Wikipedias. Regards, [[У:Nettrom|Nettrom]] ([[ОУ:Nettrom|обс.]]) 16:31, 23 января 2017 (UTC)

::{{ping|Nettrom}} thanks for your answer and your questions!
::; [[:Категория:Статьи, требующие проверки на грамматические и орфографические ошибки|Copyedits]]
::: I think we can change it to [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи без категорий|Nocat]];
::; [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи,_подозреваемые_в_наличии_оригинальных_исследований|Original research]]
::: Yep, you are fully right. Grab it all.
::; [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи_с_короткой_преамбулой|Lead cleanup]]
::: Is it possible to change it later?
::; [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи без иллюстраций|Add images]]
::: I have been change it to [[:Категория:Википедия:Изолированные_статьи/сирота0|Linkless]].

:: I have change the ID of ''stub'' section to ''empty'' section, also. If we will have some problems with categories or if community will want to change this cats, is it possible to change it by request? С уважением, [[Участник:Iniquity|Iniquity]] 22:06, 24 января 2017 (UTC)

::: {{ping|Iniquity}} Thanks for your help with this! I have updated the configuration to reflect the changes you made. And yes, changing the configuration is usually not a problem at all. There are some cases, for instance "add images" on English Wikipedia, where it would require a lot of programming to solve so we skip those, but we can figure that out if there is a problem. BTW, the configuration is a simple JSON file that maps the IDs on the page to the categories used to update them, and you can find [https://github.com/nettrom/suggestbot/blob/master/opentasks/ruwiki-taskdef.json the current version in our GitHub repository]. Let me know if there are any questions, if not, I think we should be ready to test this, maybe tomorrow? Regards, [[У:Nettrom|Nettrom]] ([[ОУ:Nettrom|обс.]]) 16:21, 25 января 2017 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Nettrom}} thanks, again! Yes, we can start to test it tommorow. I have no questions right now :) С уважением, [[Участник:Iniquity|Iniquity]] 17:08, 25 января 2017 (UTC)

::::: {{ping|Iniquity}} I've run some tests, the first ones offline to see if there were any problems. I moved one of the <nowiki></span></nowiki> tags so the list for "linkless" was updated correctly. Once it was working I had SuggestBot actually save the page and I don't see any obvious problems, [[Special:Diff/83300789|here's the diff]] so you can check.

::::: Is there a community process for approval needed? SuggestBot already has a bot flag here on ruwiki, and from my reading of [[Википедия:Заявки на статус бота]] it seems I won't need to apply again to get approval for it to update the opentask page. Regards, [[У:Nettrom|Nettrom]] ([[ОУ:Nettrom|обс.]]) 16:26, 26 января 2017 (UTC)

::::::{{ping|Nettrom}} It's OK for me, I don't see any obvious problems too. Yes, you shouldn't need approval for it, and we can start. С уважением, [[Участник:Iniquity|Iniquity]] 20:01, 26 января 2017 (UTC)

::::::: {{ping|Iniquity}} Sorry for not being able to get this set up yesterday, but I have now set the bot up to update the task page every hour (at 25 minutes past the hour), similarly to what we do for Polish Wikipedia. If you want it updated more or less often, that's of course possible, just let me know, although every hour is probably often enough. Cheers, [[У:Nettrom|Nettrom]] ([[ОУ:Nettrom|обс.]]) 15:34, 28 января 2017 (UTC)

::::::::{{ping|Nettrom}} Thanks a lot for help! I think 1 hour delay is good decision for this template, too. Thanks again:) С уважением, [[Участник:Iniquity|Iniquity]] 16:41, 29 января 2017 (UTC)
:{{ping|Nettrom}} Hello, may you update the Opentask path: [[Википедия:Портал сообщества/Задачи]] -> [[Википедия:Сообщество/Задачи]]. Thanks! :) С уважением, [[Участник:Iniquity|Iniquity]] 06:41, 21 июня 2017 (UTC)

:: {{ping|Iniquity}} Thanks for getting in touch about this, sorry for not noticing the change and the errors in our logs! I've updated the configuration and SuggestBot has successfully updated the page again, and should keep updating it every hour from now on. Thanks again! Cheers, [[У:Nettrom|Nettrom]] ([[ОУ:Nettrom|обс.]]) 14:37, 21 июня 2017 (UTC)

== Замена вместо добавления ==

На [[Участник:SuggestBot/Регулярные рекомендации]] указано с примером, что параметр <code>заменять</code> может быть просто указан словом. [[Участник:Neolexx|На ЛСУ]] так и сделал: <code><nowiki>{{User:SuggestBot/userbox|частота=дважды в месяц|заменять}}</nowiki></code>. Однако очередное обновление бот добавил, а не заменил старое: [[Обсуждение участника:Neolexx]]. Это ошибка в документации или баг бота? --[[У:Neolexx|Neolexx]] ([[ОУ:Neolexx|обс.]]) 07:41, 18 февраля 2018 (UTC)
: Hi [[У:Neolexx|Neolexx]], thanks for reporting this, and sorry to hear this is not working! It sounds like it's a bug with the bot, because the parameter should work the way you describe it. I'll look into it! Regards, [[У:Nettrom|Nettrom]] ([[ОУ:Nettrom|обс.]]) 17:46, 18 февраля 2018 (UTC)

== [[Википедия:Сообщество/Задачи]] ==

[[Участник:Nettrom|Nettrom]]. [[Участник:SuggestBot|SuggestBot]]. This page don't update from [https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Википедия:Сообщество/Задачи&action=history 30.11.2019]. This page used in [[Википедия:Сообщество]]. Please, fix it. Thanks. [[У:Oleg3280|Oleg3280]] ([[ОУ:Oleg3280|обс.]]) 11:02, 1 апреля 2020 (UTC)
: Hi [[У:Oleg3280|Oleg3280]], thanks for letting me know about this! I apologize for not yet having the bot updated to fix this, I should have it running again in about two weeks. Regards, [[У:Nettrom|Nettrom]] ([[ОУ:Nettrom|обс.]]) 18:30, 12 апреля 2020 (UTC)
: [[У:Oleg3280|Oleg3280]]: This is now working again with the bot updating the page every hour. Let me know if something seems broken and I'll look into it. Regards, [[У:Nettrom|Nettrom]] ([[ОУ:Nettrom|обс.]]) 21:38, 24 апреля 2020 (UTC)

== Problem with categories suggests ==
As I understand, if I tell the bot what categories he must search articles in, he will search only in typed categories. I typed "автомобили по алфавиту", but he also showed me Taiwan boxer and 2 other things not related to cars and not in categories of cars. Is that fixible? (sorry for bad English) [[User:Jack Pomi|JP]] ([[UT:Jack Pomi|обс]]) 16:04, 10 июня 2020 (UTC)

== «Развлекайтесь!» ==

Hello. I'm afraid that this word misleads newbies: it can create completely wrong impression about what do people do in Wikipedia. [[У:Sneeuwschaap|Sneeuwschaap]] ([[ОУ:Sneeuwschaap|обс.]]) 08:46, 18 июня 2020 (UTC)
* I agree with you. Wikipedia is serious project, no humor. [[User:Jack Pomi|JP]] ([[UT:Jack Pomi|обс]]) 08:48, 18 июня 2020 (UTC)

== Change category for one topic ==

@[[У:Nettrom|Nettrom]], hi! :) Can you change plz wikify category from [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи к викификации]] to [[:Категория:Википедия:Статьи с проблемами в оформлении]]? С уважением, [[Участник:Iniquity|Iniquity]] 19:49, 9 мая 2022 (UTC)

*@[[Участник:Iniquity|Iniquity]]: Thanks for letting me know about this! I've updated the wikify category in all the places it's set. The update to the bot's database is running so subscribers will start getting them, and the list of open tasks will use the new configuration starting with the next update in about 45 minutes. Thanks again! Cheers, [[У:Nettrom|Nettrom]] ([[ОУ:Nettrom|обс.]]) 13:47, 12 мая 2022 (UTC)
** Thanks! :) С уважением, [[Участник:Iniquity|Iniquity]] 18:48, 12 мая 2022 (UTC)