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== Re: The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess ==

There are still outstanding issues at the recent PR. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<span style="color: #02b;">Gary&nbsp;<b>King</b></span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<span style="color: #02e;">talk</span>]])</font> 23:34, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
: All of them except for one or two. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<span style="color: #02b;">Gary&nbsp;<b>King</b></span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<span style="color: #02e;">talk</span>]])</font> 01:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:: I don't think you looked at the PR then. Starting from the ''Gameplay'' section down, none of the dozen or so points have been addressed. I worked a bit on the Infobox and Lead sections, so those are done. Also, if you want to get points for the WikiCup, an FAC won't help you as they normally take a month before they are passed. <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<span style="color: #02b;">Gary&nbsp;<b>King</b></span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<span style="color: #02e;">talk</span>]])</font> 05:27, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

== TNA Ustream ==

are you saying I can't post a ustream link because thats TNA Official ustream channel what they do is they make Pre and Post Shows the site tnawrestlinglive.com is just a short link to get to the TNA ustream the ustream embed is on TNA official site with the chat 
'''<span style="border: 1px black solid;background:#940000;font-family: Bedrock">[[User:kreyg|<font color="White">Kreyg</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:kreyg|<font color="maroon">Talk</font>]]</sup>''' 12:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:If it's official, I think it is allowed, provided it can be proved to be TNA's and not just someone else illegally steaming it (like Justin.tv). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== No, what? ==

Don't get [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WWE_Extreme_Rules&action=historysubmit&diff=342770674&oldid=342683314  your response] there. The main event(s) are split the same for Wrestlemania IX on the [[Wrestlemania|pay per view's prime page]]. One or the other should prolly be changed to match what was decided to do as they're ostensibly the same thing. So Mania IX would need an advertised / actual text addition as well, correct? [[User:Papacha|Papacha]] ([[User talk:Papacha|talk]]) 00:26, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

== ''The Wikipedia Signpost'': 8 February 2010 ==

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== Re ==

AFD it?<sup>--[[User:3bulletproof16|<span style="color:blue;">'''Unquestionable'''</span>]][[User talk:3bulletproof16|<span style="color:green;">'''Truth'''</span>]]--</sup> 21:36, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:Sure I mean all I'm saying is that you might aswell give other people a thought in the matter because it seems other WP:PW members have added to the page as well. An AFD would be good so that it doesn't look like you're the only one making the call.<sup>--[[User:3bulletproof16|<span style="color:blue;">'''Unquestionable'''</span>]][[User talk:3bulletproof16|<span style="color:green;">'''Truth'''</span>]]--</sup> 21:41, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Talk it out friend ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#WWE_Elimination_Chamber_.3D_No_Way_Out_in_Germany_notability.3F I want no wars].--'''''<small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;">[[User:Truco|<font color="blue">T</font><font color="black">ru</font>]]<font color="black">c</font><font color="blue">o</font></span></small>''''' [[User talk:Truco|<sub><font color="black"><small>'''503'''</small></font></sub>]] 23:44, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
== Killings ==

Why, exactly? I understand the week-by-week rule, but it's been months since Bragging Rights and not only is this the second PPV that he's going to be at, but he's also in one of the PPV's main event matches. [[User:PCE|PCE]] ([[User talk:PCE|talk]]) 00:06, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:So come after the Elimination Chamber, his qualifying match and involvement in the PPV's main event will be included? [[User:PCE|PCE]] ([[User talk:PCE|talk]]) 00:35, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::OK, cool. [[User:PCE|PCE]] ([[User talk:PCE|talk]]) 01:08, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== "Editing tests"? really? ==

Wow, you're patronising. How exactly is removing unnecessary and pointless spaces which have been shoved in the middle of references "editing tests"? Please explain, because I don't understand that. And more to the point, why did you re-insert them? That seems like editing tests, not my edit.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.43.209.60|86.43.209.60]] ([[User talk:86.43.209.60|talk]]) 18:47, 13 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

You must be reading the thing arseways. I removed white space in the middle of references. To take just 2 examples, I changed "<ref name="ExpressNightOut" />" (with white space) to "<ref name="ExpressNightOut"/>" (without white space) and "|date= 2008-09-18" (with white space) to "|date=2008-09-18" (without white space). And furthermore, I don't use IE, I use firefox, so that theory of yours is bollocks.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.43.209.60|86.43.209.60]] ([[User talk:86.43.209.60|talk]]) 19:00, 13 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Are you retarded or do you just not like being proved wrong? Again, I changed "|date= 2008-09-18" (with white space) to "|date=2008-09-18" (without white space). Please explain how that constitutes adding white space. Because, newsflash, it doesn't, it removes it.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.43.209.60|86.43.209.60]] ([[User talk:86.43.209.60|talk]]) 19:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

And how about me changing "|date=2009-12-10| accessdate=2009-12-14" to "|date=2009-12-10| accessdate=2009-12-14" in the professional wrestling career section, or me changing "irishwhipwrestling.com/images/results/result080804.html| title=Peaders Beer" to "irishwhipwrestling.com/images/results/result080804.html|title=Peaders Beer" in the Irish Whip Wrestling section (first paragraph). Were they all me adding whitre spaces too? A clue: no, no they weren't, and you're reading the diff things backwards.

Try answering my question instead of just warning me. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:86.43.209.60 |86.43.209.60 ]] ([[User talk:86.43.209.60 |talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/86.43.209.60 |contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:Apparently you aren't actually looking at the article because you are adding white spaces. Also, learn how to sign your comments (it's not that hard). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:11, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Well you just proved you're retarded quite frankly. A) I'm not adding white space, you are, you're just ignoring my examples of me pointing this out. B) I'm not British, I'm Irish, and you're a fucktard if you don't reailse there's a difference. and C) "I know not how Brits all rude like you" doesn't make any sense whatsoever. This is why wikipedia is fucked. It's editors can't even use proper grammar in conversations. Clap, clap, clap.
:I forgot that Dublin is in Ireland (I momentarily thought it was in Northern Ireland) and the "all" was a type, I meant to type "are". The rest of my comments are correct though. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:: Afraid not, TJ.  Your edits and reversions are adding whitespace back into references.  Take [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sheamus_O%27Shaunessy&diff=next&oldid=343783723] for example.  I've just looked at this in Opera, Safari and Firefox.  I think you may need to apologise to Mr IP Address. [[User:Xevious|Tim (Xevious)]] ([[User talk:Xevious|talk]]) 02:52, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

== The Magic Box: US Platinum Games Chart? ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best_selling_games 

I notice this page references [http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-USPlatinum.shtml The Magic Box] and I was wondering how reliable the source was? Why did we chose to go with that source? Can we use this source in other articles? They do not list their source for this chart (that I see.) Thank you for your time.--[[Special:Contributions/108.2.2.183|108.2.2.183]] ([[User talk:108.2.2.183|talk]]) 19:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:I am not 100% sure for the US numbers, but their Japanese numbers are from Famitsu. Try contacting one of the other regular editors of that article like ReyBrujo. There is no reason they can't be used in other articles too. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:22, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Orphaned non-free image File:TNA Wrestling.JPG ==

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== How do you upload TNA images ==

Today a Barnstar user decided to mess up all my images and got them reported to a wikipedia Admin im asking you how in the world do you upload a TNA arena image without getting it taken down however I noticed they haven't taken down not 1 [[World Wrestling Entertainment|WWE]] Image

'''<span style="border: 1px black solid;background:#940000;font-family: Bedrock">[[User:kreyg|<font color="White">Kreyg</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:kreyg|<font color="maroon">Talk</font>]]</sup>''' 04:40, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

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*14 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Against All Odds (2010)|Against All Odds]]'''
*21 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[WWE Elimination Chamber|Elimination Chamber]]'''

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**[[Tim Donst]] defeated [[Stupefied|Player Dos]] to win the [[Chikara Young Lions Cup]].
**At the [[Royal Rumble (2010)|Royal Rumble]] pay-per-view on January 31:
***[[Mickie James]] won the [[WWE Women's Championship]] by defeating [[Michelle McCool]].
***[[Adam Copeland|Edge]] made his return after injury to win the [[Royal Rumble#Match|Royal Rumble match]].
***[[Beth Phoenix]] became only the second woman in history to enter the Royal Rumble match.
*[[Jack Brisco]] died on February 1 at the age of 68.
*On the February 2 episode of ''[[ECW (WWE)|ECW]]'', [[Vince McMahon]] announced that ECW will be coming to an end. It will be replaced with a program called ''WWE NXT'', which will debut on March 2.
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*Independent wrestler [[Human Tornado]] announced his retirement on February 4.
*On the February 8 episode of ''[[WWE Raw|Raw]]'', [[Mike Mizanin|The Miz]] and [[Paul Wight|The Big Show]] won the [[Unified WWE Tag Team Championship]] by defeating the reigning champions [[D-Generation X]] and [[CM Punk]] and [[Drew Hankinson|Luke Gallows]] in a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic non-elimination matches|triple threat match]].
*Retired Canadian professional wrestler Charles Baillargeon died on February 10 following a [[stroke]] at the age of 92.
*On February 11, ROH announced that their television program, ''[[Ring of Honor Wrestling]]'', would begin airing on [[Dahlia TV]] in [[Italy]].
*[[Tyler Black]] won the [[ROH World Championship]] for the first time at ROH's 8th Anniversary Show on February 13 by defeating [[Austin Aries]].

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== A recent edit ==

Hello.  When you made [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cathexis_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)&curid=3591720&diff=344305229&oldid=341581023 this edit] was there a visible change in the article?  The reason I ask is because typically AWB [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser#Rules_of_use|isn't used for]] edits that this appears to fall under.  Mainly the fourth bullet point in that link.--[[User:Rockfang|Rockfang]] ([[User talk:Rockfang|talk]]) 00:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:My bad, I accidentally hit Save instead of Skip. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

== Request for a page to be made ==

I'm not very experienced with Wikipedia, could you make the wikipedia page for Ring of Honor's next PPV, Big Bang?  Here is a link confirming it as the next iPPV. http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/Article.aspx?id=3191 [[Special:Contributions/70.189.221.185|70.189.221.185]] ([[User talk:70.189.221.185|talk]]) 07:39, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

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== Some advice ==

You should stop taking everything so personally. It seems every time I question one of your edits, you immediately fire back and are usually rather nasty. It's just a website, calm down. Regardless of how you feel about the notability of the promotion, he did still found it, so why shouldn't it be noted? And you really can't compare it to holding a championship. -- [[User:Scorpion0422|<span style="color:#FF8C00;">Scorpion</span>]][[user talk:Scorpion0422|<sup style="color:black;">0422</sup>]] 23:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
:It wasn't even really a serious promotion. They used a fake title (claiming another organizations title, it would be like TNA saying they had the WWE Championship) and barely did any shows. It would be like noting that Terry Funk started a promotion called !Bang! or that Dusty Rhodes started one called Turnbuckle Championship Wrestling. IGF was a short-lived and non-notable promotion, not the least bit worth mentioning (and I find it off you keep wanting it in considering you complain when someone adds a major title like the IC or US titles to a wrestlers entry). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 01:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
::It's a relatively minor detail, so I really don't feel like edit warring with you. It's interesting to see that you have finally learned how to avoid a 3RR block (although it took you long enough). -- [[User:Scorpion0422|<span style="color:#FF8C00;">Scorpion</span>]][[user talk:Scorpion0422|<sup style="color:black;">0422</sup>]] 02:35, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== ECW Championship ==

Hello again, i need your help.  The ECW Championship is listed as deactivated.  This is wrong, as i have a source from wwe themselves saying that the title is retired. can we correct this on the list of reigns? thanks! here is the source: http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/results/13527692/ .  it mentions that the title is retired in the last paragraph of the christian vs ezeikiel jackson match results.  --JereMerr 05:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)--JereMerr 05:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)--JereMerr 05:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jeremerr|Jeremerr]] ([[User talk:Jeremerr|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jeremerr|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Sorting ==

'''Thanks''' Thank you for your note, but you are mistaken. <nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:TJ Spyke}}</nowiki> sorts ''before'' <nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:Ta}}</nowiki>. I suggest that you review [[WP:SORTKEY]]. Please post on my talk if you would like to respond. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 02:12, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:'''Correctly?''' "WWE Xtreme Home Video" should not come ''before'' "Way Back in Time Video". That is confusing and nonsensical. It only sorts that way due to a restriction in MediaWiki software. Again, see [[WP:SORTKEY]], which reads in part "For example, use "Dubois" in sort keys rather than "DuBois"." —[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 02:18, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::'''Again''' I have sorted according to [[WP:SORTKEY]]. If you continue undoing these, I'll have to post to some [[WP:AN|administrators' noticeboard]], not because you are being intentionally disruptive (I have no doubt about your good faith in this matter), but because you are unintentionally breaking the purpose of sortkeys. Please post on my talk if something is still not clear. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 03:05, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:::'''Contribs''' There are only 24 hours in a day. If you look through my contribs, you can see thousands of sorts for articles that start with two capital letters. That's what I've arbitrarily chosen to start with. If you want to sort other articles, that's great. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 20:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::::'''Bigger targets?''' If you're calling me inconsistent, that's one thing, but if you're claiming that I'm specifically singling out wrestling-related articles for some special treatment that's another. If I could snap my fingers and make all three million articles on the English Wikipedia sorted correctly, I would. Barring that, I've got to do what I can as I have the time and interest. I've arbitrarily chosen to do some sets of articles (recently, articles with consecutive capital letters and [[:Category:R.E.M. songs]]), and I may choose to do NFL-related articles (and categories) at some point. In the meantime, there are still literally a million things to do. —[[User:Koavf|Justin (koavf)]]❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯ 23:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== RE ==

Well TJ considering the championship was known as the ECW World Heavyweight Championship from '94 to '01 = 7 years while on the other hand it was known as the ECW Championship from '07 to '10 = 3 years, per [[WP:COMMONNAME]] the page name should be the ECW World Heavyweight Championship. Its the same reason the WCW Championship article is under the name [[WCW World Heavyweight Championship]] and not World Championship. You wanna take it to [[WT:PW]] ? <sup>--[[User:3bulletproof16|<span style="color:blue;">'''Unquestionable'''</span>]][[User talk:3bulletproof16|<span style="color:green;">'''Truth'''</span>]]--</sup> 19:46, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:BTW, despite our disagreements over the years, I've treated you with the same respect I expect from others. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jason_Reso&curid=438904&diff=344827073&oldid=344816863] That said, next time ''"[[Dwayne Johnson|Know your Role.... and Shut your Mouth!]]"''
::I apologize for that remark, I was just annoyed at what that other user was doing. Yes the title had the longer name for longer period, but I think it's arguable when the title was more notable. You can't deny that the title was seen by far more people even in 2 years in WWE than it ever was in ECW. The title was seen by millions of people every week in WWE and every month on PPV. As I mentioned about WCW, that one had the shortened name for only 6 months. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:07, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== [[:Template:WWEPPV]] ==

I'm having trouble trying to figure out how to handle the numerious name changes with [[:Template:WWEPPV]], and where to put events in current and former. Any suggestions? --<span style="border:1px solid;font-size:90%;background:#FFA142">&nbsp;<span style="background:#A85400">&nbsp;'''[[User:Oakster|<span style="color:#FFF">Θaks</span>]][[User talk:Oakster|<span style="color:#FFF">ter</span>]]'''&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;</span> 21:15, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:Actually, I was talking about the template. I'm pretty much unsure where to place the limbo events on it (namely Backlash, Judgment Day, The Bash and Breaking Point). As you've said, with November free, any of them could still potentially replace Survivor Series. --<span style="border:1px solid;font-size:90%;background:#FFA142">&nbsp;<span style="background:#A85400">&nbsp;'''[[User:Oakster|<span style="color:#FFF">Θaks</span>]][[User talk:Oakster|<span style="color:#FFF">ter</span>]]'''&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;</span> 21:23, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
::Done. I've moved the old events at the very end. I'm not satisfied with it, but I guess it will do. Thanks. --<span style="border:1px solid;font-size:90%;background:#FFA142">&nbsp;<span style="background:#A85400">&nbsp;'''[[User:Oakster|<span style="color:#FFF">Θaks</span>]][[User talk:Oakster|<span style="color:#FFF">ter</span>]]'''&nbsp;</span>&nbsp;</span> 21:34, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Sorry! ==

I'm really sorry, ok? I thought WWE NXT was a reality show/live event program. It does have WWE employees in it as pros, but I didn't know it was a [[WWE Tough Enough]] clone.  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Yugiohmike2001|Yugiohmike2001]] ([[User talk:Yugiohmike2001|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yugiohmike2001|contribs]]) 21:24, 18 February 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== <s>Warning: Potentially violating the three-revert rule.</s> ==

<s>[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] You currently appear to be engaged in an '''[[WP:Edit war|edit war]]'''{{#if:|&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:{{{1}}}]]}}. Note that the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] to work towards wording and content that gains a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request [[WP:PP|page protection]]. Please stop the disruption, otherwise '''you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing'''. {{#if:|{{{2}}}|}}<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> - [[User:Zhang He|Zhang He]] ([[User talk:Zhang He|talk]]) 16:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)</s>
:For what article? If you mean WWE NXT, I have been reverting a IP's vandalism. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:27, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
== WWE Online ==

Hello Oakster, I have a question, is it true that the PC game ''WWE Online'' was again renamed ''WWE Smackdown vs. Online Raw''?

Thank you.
--[[Special:Contributions/189.217.102.117|189.217.102.117]] ([[User talk:189.217.102.117|talk]]) 23:16, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
:Um, i'm not Oakster. I will put this on his page. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 23:24, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

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== Final warning regarding [[WP:NOTBROKEN]] ==

[[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px]] Please stop. Despite countless urgings to stop [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 9#Redirects and pipelinks|going back to 2007]]; [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive572#User:TJ Spyke using wikicleaner to bypass redirects contrary to WP:R2D|an ANI thread]]; and two [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 27#Curious|subsequent]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|reminders]] that harmless redirects should not by bypassed without good reason, you continue to make [[WP:Disruptive editing|disruptive edits]] contrary to the [[Wikipedia:Redirect]] guideline (specifically the section entitled [[Wikipedia:Redirect#Do not "fix" links to redirects that are not broken|Do not "fix" links to redirects that are not broken]]). Moreoever, you continue to use a misleading edit summary when doing so. The next time you bypass a redirect that is not broken, '''you will be blocked from editing.''' –[[user:xeno|<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:black;">talk</sup>]] 16:22, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
== Spoiler ==

The Women's title change was a spoiler.--[[Special:Contributions/74.235.5.144|74.235.5.144]] ([[User talk:74.235.5.144|talk]]) 23:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== WikiProject Professional wrestling newsletter ==

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'''''—Articles'''''
*'''[[NWA World Light Heavyweight Championship]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/NWA World Light Heavyweight Championship/archive1|(review page)]]}} is a current [[WP:FLC|Featured list candidate]].
*'''[[Debra Marshall]]''', '''[[Derick Neikirk]]''' {{small|[[Talk:Derick Neikirk/GA1|(review page)]]}}, '''[[Johnny Jeter]]''', '''[[Kenny Dykstra]]''', '''[[Nick Mitchell]]''', and '''[[ROH World Television Championship]]''' are current [[WP:GAN|Good article nominees]].
*[[WP:XFD|Deletion discussions]]:
**[[WP:AFD|Articles for deletion]]:
***'''Current:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Hudson (announcer)|Scott Hudson (announcer)]]
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monster Mack (2nd nomination)|Monster Mack (2nd nomination)]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mountain Wrestling Association|Mountain Wrestling Association]].
***'''Kept:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Naoki Sano|Naoki Sano]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WWE NXT|WWE NXT]].
**[[WP:CFD|Categories for discussion]]:
***'''Current:''' [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 February 23#Professional wrestlers by century|Professional wrestlers by century]]
***'''Renamed:''' [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 February 18#Pay-per-views|Pay-per-views]] and [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 February 18#Wrestling navboxes|Wrestling navboxes]].
**[[WP:TFD|Templates for discussion]]:
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 February 16#Template:Mr. Money in the Bank|Template:Mr. Money in the Bank]]
*[[WP:RM|Requested moves]]:
**'''Current:''' [[WWE The Bash]] to ''[[WWE The Great American Bash]]'' [[Talk:WWE The Bash#Move|(discussion)]]

'''''—Project'''''
*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of February 28, we have dipped below 10% for the first time at '''9.93%''', with '''469''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
*Based on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list|members list]], there are currently '''238''' members participating in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling|WikiProject Professional wrestling]].

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*5 - [[Dragon Gate USA]] presents '''[[DGUSA Fearless|Fearless]]'''
*12 - [[Asistencia Asesoría y Administración]] (AAA) presents '''''[[Rey de Reyes (2010)|Rey de Reyes]]'''''
*21 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Destination X (2010)|Destination X]]'''
*28 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[WrestleMania XXVI]]'''

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*[[Negro Casas]] defeated [[Hijo del Fantasma]] to win the [[CMLL World Middleweight Championship]] on February 14.
*On February 15, TNA announced that ''[[TNA Impact!]]'' will be moving to a Monday night timeslot to compete against ''[[WWE Raw]]''.
*On February 16:
**[[Dave Taylor (wrestler)|Dave Taylor]] was announced as the new TNA [[List of professional wrestling terms#A|agent]].
**On the final episode of ''[[ECW (WWE)|ECW]]'':
***[[Ezekiel Jackson]] won the [[ECW Championship]] by defeating [[Jason Reso|Christian]] in an [[Professional wrestling match types#No Disqualification match|Extreme Rules match]].
***The eight FCW wrestlers who will be competing on ''[[WWE NXT]]'' were announced as [[Bryan Danielson|Daniel Bryan]], [[Paul Lloyd, Jr.|Justin Gabriel]], [[Stu Bennett|Wade Barrett]], [[Heath Miller (wrestler)|Heath Slater]], [[Fred Sampson|Darren Young]], [[David Otunga]], and [[Tyrone Evans|Michael Tarver]].
*On February 17, it was announced that [[New Japan Pro Wrestling]] competitor, [[Kazuchika Okada]] had begun working for TNA.
*At the [[WWE Elimination Chamber|Elimination Chamber]] pay-per-view on February 21:
**[[Chris Jericho]] won the [[World Heavyweight Championship (WWE)|World Heavyweight Championship]] by winning an [[Elimination Chamber]] match.
**[[John Cena]] won an Elimination Chamber match to win the [[WWE Championship]]. Immediately after the match, however, he was defeated by [[Dave Batista|Batista]] for the championship.
**[[Sheamus O'Shaunessy]] suffered a [[concussion]] during his WWE championship defense in an Elimination Chamber match.
*On the February 22 episode of ''Raw'', [[Maryse Ouellet|Maryse]] defeated [[Gail Kim]] in the finals of a tournament to win the [[WWE Divas Championship]].
*The inaugural episode of ''[[WWE NXT|NXT]]'' aired on [[Syfy]] on February 23.
*TNA announced a [[pay-per-view]] deal with the [[Extreme Sports Channel]] in the [[United Kingdom]] on February 25. The first pay-per-view to be broadcast as part of the deal will be [[Destination X (2010)|Destination X]].
*On February 26:
**[[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) announced they had released wrestlers [[Gregory Helms]], [[Paul Burchill]], and [[Maria Kanellis|Maria]] from their contracts, along with [[Referee (professional wrestling)|referee]], [[Joseph James, Jr.|Scott Armstrong]].
**On ''[[WWE SmackDown|SmackDown]]'', [[Michelle McCool]] defeated [[Mickie James]] to win the [[WWE Women's Championship]].
*[[Davey Richards]] defeated [[Kenny Omega]] on February 27 to win the [[PWG World Championship]].

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This section is devoted to helping project members become familiar with the [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]] and general editing tips.
#Please consider helping out with the project's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|2010 New Year's Resolutions]], and help achieve one of the goals listed.
#Avoid using dirtsheets as sources. Adhere to [[WP:RS]] when adding information with a source to articles. For a list of reliable and unreliable wrestling-related sources see [[WP:PW/SG#Sources]].
#[[WP:TRIVIA|Trivia sections]] are discouraged in wikipedia articles. Information from such sections, if notable, should be merged into the main body of the article.
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== WikiCup 2010 February newsletter ==

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Round one is over, and round two has begun! Congratulations to the 64 contestants who have made it through, but well done and thank you to all contestants who took part in our first round. A special well done goes to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sasata}}, our round one winner (1010 points), and to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Hunter Kahn}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|TonyTheTiger}}, who were second and third respectively (640 points/605 points). Sasata was awarded the most points for both good articles (300 points) and featured articles (600 points), and TonyTheTiger was awarded the most for featured topics (225 points), while Hunter Kahn claimed the most for good topics (70). {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Staxringold}} claimed the most featured lists (240 points) and featured pictures (35 points), {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Geschichte}} claimed the most for ''Did you know?'' entries (490 points), {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Jujutacular}} claimed the most for featured sounds (70 points) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Candlewicke}} claimed the most for ''In the news'' entries (40 points). No one claimed a featured portal or valued picture.

Credits awarded after the end of round one but before round two may be claimed in round two, but remember the rule that content must have been worked on in some significant way during 2010 by you for you to claim points. The groups for round two will be placed up shortly, and the submissions' pages will be blanked. This round will continue until 28 April, when the top two users from each group, as well as 16 wildcards, will progress to round three. Please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup; thank you to all doing this last round, and particularly to those helping at [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, by email or on IRC. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]], [[User:Fox|Fox]], [[User:iMatthew|iMatthew]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] <small>Delivered by [[User:JCbot|JCbot]] ([[User talk:JCbot|talk]]) at 00:55, 1 March 2010 (UTC)</small>
== ROH Big Bang ==

I'm not very experienced with Wikipedia, could you make the wikipedia page for Ring of Honor's next PPV, Big Bang? Here is a link confirming it as the next iPPV. http://www.rohwrestling.com/news/Article.aspx?id=3191  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.193.130.120|72.193.130.120]] ([[User talk:72.193.130.120|talk]]) 04:04, 2 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== March 2010 ==

The site is credible and reliable, you're obviously having a problem with that for whatever reason, but you seem to be the only one with a problem. What makes you the decider of whether or not a site/source is reliable? Who died and made you king?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.204.45.10|68.204.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.204.45.10|talk]]) 21:54, 2 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I'm not asking a question, I'm simply stating that the site is reliable and credible and it is an investor call, if you don't know what that is, I suggest you look it up. The number came straight from Sony themselves, if they don't know the amount of consoles they have shipped, then I don't know who does. Do NOT insert the tag again.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.204.45.10|68.204.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.204.45.10|talk]]) 22:03, 2 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I'm going to let an administrator take care of this and decide. You are obviously wrong and vandalizing the article with your own bias and preconceived notions.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.204.45.10|68.204.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.204.45.10|talk]]) 22:06, 2 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

The burden of proof is on you to show me that the site is unreliable like you claim. I have reported you for vandalism as your bias is obviously getting in the way of objectivity. I'll leave the page as is for now until an admin takes a look at it. [[Special:Contributions/68.204.45.10|68.204.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.204.45.10|talk]]) 22:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

It's not my site, but the site is credible and reliable, you probably know this but refuse to accept it due to your bias. I don't live on wikipedia and have a life outside of it unlike you. You bolding a word or two will not make it more likely that you're right and I'm wrong. The burden of proof is on you, and you also thought I was vandalizing, so you obviously need to take a look at your history before acting all self-righteous. You obviously have a problem and accused me of vandalism when I provided proof. You don't get to decide whether or not a site is credible just because you want to or don't want to. The source and the material on the website is reliable and verifiable. As I told you in the edit summary, simple math should make you clearly see that the 60 million figure is correct. 55.9 million as of last quarter + 4.2 million as of quarter 3.[[Special:Contributions/68.204.45.10|68.204.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.204.45.10|talk]]) 22:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC) 
:Replied on IPs page. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 23:15, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

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== On the iPod touch and iPhone ==

It qualifies as a gaming handheld.
[[:Category:iPhone OS games]]

Also many gaming sites recognize the iPhone/iPod touch as gaming platform. Many of them have a section/sub-site dedicated to iPhone OS games. --[[User:Aizuku|Aizuku]] ([[User talk:Aizuku|talk]]) 07:00, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
== Wrestlemania ==

Please revert your edit and take the discussion to the talk page, where I have started it. If you do not participate, don't plan on your edit standing for long. –[[User:Turian|'''<span style="font-family: fantasy, cursive, Serif; color:#000000;">Turian</span>''']]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Turian|<small>(<span style="color:#002BB8;">talk</span>)</small>]] 00:15, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== Page blanking? ==

Why are you welcoming me to Paltalk?  You are well over four years too late on that.  Ha, ha, ha!  There was no page blanking.  Don't know what you are talking about.  Yes, it was the same thing I just did.  <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[User contributions:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 00:19, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Events ==

Hi TJ!  Just letting you know that a page you proposed for deletion in 2009, [[List of CZW events]], has been restored after the proposed deletion was contested at [[WP:UND|requests for undeletion]].  You are welcome, if you feel it appropriate, to nominate the article to [[WP:AfD|AfD]].  Cheers, [[User:Arbitrarily0|<span style='color:black'><b><u><i><big>A</big>rbitrarily<big>0</big></i></u></b></span>]]&nbsp;<sup><b>([[User talk:Arbitrarily0|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#FF4500;">talk</span>]])</b></sup> 13:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
== Help me, Please. ==

User:208.87.234.180 has been vandalising both [[WWE Raw]] and [[TNA Impact!]]. I don't know how to do blocking. Can you help me?--[[User:Yugiohmike2001|Yugiohmike2001]] ([[User talk:Yugiohmike2001|talk]]) 23:03, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Jackson ==

Zeke has only been billed from Guyana on TV. His WWE profile states that he was born in Guyana, but bills him from Harlem, which is why I removed the bolded "Guyana, South America" from his billing section. [[User:PCE|PCE]] ([[User talk:PCE|talk]]) 01:51, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:Well then why hasn't someone found an online source to fully back it up? [[User:PCE|PCE]] ([[User talk:PCE|talk]]) 02:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::I'll be on the lookout for sources as well. One report (may have been from PWTorch or another passable site) covering the Rumble stated that he was being billed from Guyana during his match against Christian. [[User:PCE|PCE]] ([[User talk:PCE|talk]]) 02:42, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

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== consensus ==

Apparently you do not understand what a consensus is. A consensus is an agreement. That means a group has agreed and a decision has been determined. No where at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Archive 75#Tag team names in title lists]] is an agreement made. Because there was a higher amount of people liking tag team names first, you have established that as a consensus. You are wrong. I'm all for discussing this again where we can actually have a consensus. If anything was established with the previous discussion, was editor's choice.--[[User:Wrestlinglover|<span style="color:red;">'''Will'''</span>]][[User talk:Wrestlinglover|<span style="color:blue;">'''C'''</span>]] 01:08, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:There was no agreement though. There was even a small discussion inside the section about there being no agreement. Read the section. There is no consensus, you have shown no agreement. It is all up to you sir. You are the only one claiming their is a consensus, and if there was one. You would not be alone.--[[User:Wrestlinglover|<span style="color:red;">'''Will'''</span>]][[User talk:Wrestlinglover|<span style="color:blue;">'''C'''</span>]] 02:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::A no there was no consensus. You can warn me all you want. Your track record is much wrose than mine. You being involved in a dispute hurts you. I've asked you several times, and still you have not shown where it says an agreement has been reached. The discussion died. I'm still waiting. If you can't show a consensus, then you have nothing to stand on.--[[User:Wrestlinglover|<span style="color:red;">'''Will'''</span>]][[User talk:Wrestlinglover|<span style="color:blue;">'''C'''</span>]] 04:37, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::First off no consensus was established because only 4 were actually involved in the discussion. Everyone else said they like something, and [[WP:I Like It]] is not an argument for formats. Thus those opinions did not go toward the final decision. TJ quit trying to own shit like you've done for too long. You disrupt wikipedia more than anyone. It seems you are the only one who sees a consensus.--[[User:Wrestlinglover|<span style="color:red;">'''Will'''</span>]][[User talk:Wrestlinglover|<span style="color:blue;">'''C'''</span>]] 22:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Because there never was a consensus. This project is so screwed up we need actual agreements, and not seeming agreements.--[[User:Wrestlinglover|<span style="color:red;">'''Will'''</span>]][[User talk:Wrestlinglover|<span style="color:blue;">'''C'''</span>]] 20:56, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== RE ==

Last night the project was being attacked by a vandal who kept moving pages. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Swagger44] My advice to you is don't worry about it.<sup>--[[User:3bulletproof16|<span style="color:blue;">'''Unquestionable'''</span>]][[User talk:3bulletproof16|<span style="color:green;">'''Truth'''</span>]]--</sup> 21:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Help me out here. ==

User Vjmlhds thinks the WWE title should be on both Raw and SD since Batista is holding because of a "business deal" with Mr.McMahon. Look on his talk page, I've been trying to tell him it's currently SD's title while it appears on Raw. Can you help me out here?--[[User:Yugiohmike2001|Yugiohmike2001]] ([[User talk:Yugiohmike2001|talk]]) 19:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

[[File:Nuvola apps important.svg|25px]] You currently appear to be engaged in an '''[[WP:Edit war|edit war]]'''&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:World Wrestling Entertainment]]. Note that the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]] prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|three-revert rule]]. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] to work towards wording and content that gains a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request [[WP:PP|page protection]]. Please stop the disruption, otherwise '''you may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing'''. <!-- Template:uw-3rr --> –[[User:Turian|<span style="font-family: cursive, Serif; color:#000000;">Turian</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Turian|<small>(<span style="color:#002BB8;">talk</span>)</small>]] 19:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Did you not see the warning I placed on your page? Revert your change or I will report this whole incident to 3RR. I took it to the talk page, now follow me there. –[[User:Turian|<span style="font-family: cursive, Serif; color:#000000;">Turian</span>]]&nbsp;[[User_talk:Turian|<small>(<span style="color:#002BB8;">talk</span>)</small>]] 19:54, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:I did not revert, so I did not violate 3RR. I came up with a compromise (something no one else seems willing to do). You want to state that it's a Raw title only (which is factually incorrect). WWE itself states that the title belongs to BOTH brands. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:08, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

== "Gentleman" Jerry Valiant ==

I found an article on PWInsider That, unfortunately, Jerry Valiant (John S. Hill) Passed away on thursday, March 11th.  i am working on confirming it with other sources, but here is the link to the article http://pwinsider.com/article/45870/former-wwwf-tag-team-champion-john-gentleman-jerry-valiant-hill-passes-away.html?p=1 .  can we edit the article with this information?--JereMerr 05:40, 13 March 2010 (UTC)--JereMerr 05:40, 13 March 2010 (UTC)--JereMerr 05:40, 13 March 2010 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jeremerr|Jeremerr]] ([[User talk:Jeremerr|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jeremerr|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== March 2010 ==

 
So in other words, you think it's up to you to say whether or not a site is reliable and credible. Gotcha! Fun little world you live in. [[Special:Contributions/68.204.45.10|68.204.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.204.45.10|talk]]) 00:44, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Surprise surprise the old source is credible, in the future, try to put your bias aside in favor of objectivity. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/68.204.45.10|68.204.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.204.45.10|talk]]) 02:10, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't the one trolling a credible and reliable source, you were. Had you used your damn brain you would've seen the source was mathematically correct also but a simple math problem turned out to be too difficult for you. Like I said, for future reference try to be more objective, that's the whole purpose of wikipedia, objectivity. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/68.204.45.10|68.204.45.10]] ([[User talk:68.204.45.10|talk]]) 23:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I should have read the discussion page for [[:List of best-selling video games]] about VG Chartz being an unreliable source and I apologize for the hasty entry. But, wow, your lack of tact is astounding. A simple "I fixed your error. Please check the discussion page before editing in the future." would have sufficed. Don't you dare insult my intelligence again. You can catch more flies with honey. Keep that in mind in the future. I appreciate the looking out. [[User:GoldThong|GoldThong]] ([[User talk:GoldThong|talk]]) 23:36, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

== WikiProject Professional wrestling newsletter ==

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'''''—Articles'''''
*'''[[IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship/archive2|(review page)]]}} and '''[[NWA World Middleweight Championship]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/NWA World Middleweight Championship/archive1|(review page)]]}} are current [[WP:FLC|Featured list candidates]].
*'''[[Debra Marshall]]''', '''[[Kenny Dykstra]]''', '''[[Nick Mitchell]]''', and '''[[ROH World Television Championship]]''' are current [[WP:GAN|Good article nominees]].
*[[WP:XFD|Deletion discussions]]:
**[[WP:AFD|Articles for deletion]]:
***'''Current:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/High-flyer wrestler|High-flyer wrestler]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of CZW events|List of CZW events]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MXW Pro Wrestling|MXW Pro Wrestling]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarona Snuka|Sarona Snuka]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/T-bone Funk|T-bone Funk]], and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tiger Raj Singh|Tiger Raj Singh]].
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnny Rich|Johnny Rich]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lutta corsa|Lutta corsa]], and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott Hudson (announcer)|Scott Hudson (announcer)]].
**[[WP:CFD|Categories for discussion]]:
***'''Current:''' [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 8#Category:Flagship professional wrestling pay-per-view events by promotion|Category:Flagship professional wrestling pay-per-view events by promotion]]
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 February 23#Professional wrestlers by century|Professional wrestlers by century]]
*[[WP:RM|Requested moves]]:
**'''Current:''' [[Matthew Kaye]] to ''Matt Striker'' [[Talk:Matthew Kaye#Requested move|(discussion)]].
**'''Moved:''' WWE The Bash to ''[[WWE The Great American Bash]]'' [[Talk:WWE The Great American Bash#Move|(discussion)]]

'''''—Project'''''
*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of March 14, we are at '''9.78%''', with '''463''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
*Based on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list|members list]], there are currently '''241''' members participating in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling|WikiProject Professional wrestling]].

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This section is intended to warn users about potential targets of [[WP:V|vandalism]] and [[WP:SPECULATION|speculation]]: professional wrestling events from major [[Professional wrestling promotion|promotions]] for the month of '''[[March]]'''.
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*21 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Destination X (2010)|Destination X]]'''
*28 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[WrestleMania XXVI]]'''

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*On February 28, WWE announced that [[Charlie Haas]] had been released from his contract.
*The inaugural episode of ''[[Wrestlicious Takedown]]'' aired on March 1.
*On March 4:
**[[Angelo Poffo]] died at the age of 84.
**TNA released [[Tracy Brookshaw|Traci Brooks]] from her contract.
*On March 5:
**[[Eddie Edwards (wrestler)|Eddie Edwards]] became the inaugural [[ROH World Television Championship|ROH World Television Champion]] at the ''[[Ring of Honor Wrestling]]'' tapings, by defeating his tag team partner [[Davey Richards]] in a tournament final.
**It was reported that [[Sean Morley]] and [[Nicole Raczynski|Roxxi]] had been released from their TNA contracts.
*[[Tigre Cota]] and [[Tito Santana II]] defeated [[Angel Dorado, Jr.]] and [[Sky (wrestler)|Sky]] (c) to win the [[AAA Northern Tag Team Championship]] on March 7.
*On March 8:
**On ''[[TNA Impact!]]'':
***The [[TNA Knockout Tag Team Championship]] was vacated. [[The Beautiful People (professional wrestling)|The Beautiful People]] ([[Ashley Lane|Madison Rayne]] and [[Velvet Sky]]) defeated [[Sarah Stock|Sarita]] and [[Shantelle Malawski|Taylor Wilde]] and [[Angel Williams|Angelina Love]] and [[Lisa Marie Varon|Tara]] in a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic non-elimination matches|triple threat tag team match]] to win the vacant championship.
***[[Rob Van Dam]] made his debut.
**[[Jillian Beyor]] was released from her [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) developmental contract.
*On March 10, [[Ring of Honor]] (ROH) announced the creation of a downloadable [[DVD]] website, which will allow fans to download out-of-stock DVD titles.
*On March 11:
**[[John Hill (wrestler)|John Hill]], better known as Jerry Valiant, died,
**[[Sandy Scott]] died at the age of 75 due to [[pancreatic cancer]].
*On March 12, [[Women Superstars Uncensored]] announced a television deal with with [[The Fight Network]] and [[InASecTV]].

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This section is devoted to helping project members become familiar with the [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]] and general editing tips.
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== Blocked for 72 hours ==

I have blocked you for 72 hours as you have chosen to continue bypassing redirects even after being blocked for 24 hours for the same.

I remind you that [[WP:R2D]] is a generally-accepted community guideline. You do not have to agree with it, you can petition to change it, but you must follow it until it is changed.

You have requests and warnings going back to 2007 asking you to adhere to this guideline; that you have chosen to ignore them is unacceptable.

The blocks will increase in length should you continue to make edits contrary to the redirect guideline. –[[user:xeno|<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:black;">talk</sup>]] 21:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
{{unblock reviewed|1=I don't think I have violated that guideline since the previous block, I just checked my edit log and see no violations (and the admin, who seems to have a problem with me, did not bother pointing out this supposed violation|decline=See below, you did indeed, and since you've been blocked before for this, further warnings are not needed since you are obviously aware of the issue. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 22:16, 16 March 2010 (UTC)}}
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serena_Deeb&diff=prev&oldid=350276589] - note also that in your exuberance to bypass this redirect contrary to the guideline, you left an error in wikicode. –[[user:xeno|<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:black;">talk</sup>]] 22:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wrestle_Kingdom&diff=prev&oldid=350112856 This], too. [[User:Tim Song|Tim Song]] ([[User talk:Tim Song|talk]]) 22:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
:::I have to say I find this extremely puzzling. Bypassing redirects is pointless, you've been blocked for it before, very recently in fact. It seems like it would be the easiest thing in the world to just not do it anymore, so why do you persist? [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 22:20, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
*For the record I have no 'problem' with this editor - other than his persistent disregard for [[WP:R2D]] and his ignoring of the many comments over the years he's received about this practice. I have no issue with the block being lifted and will do so myself if the editor agrees to adhere to the guideline in the future. –[[user:xeno|<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b>]][[user talk:xeno|<sup style="color:black;">talk</sup>]] 22:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
**Yeah, I don't really want any part in this, but noticed the situation on my watchlist. Even if he agrees to adhere to it, give him a month and he'll start back up again. A few months ago, he agreed to quit changing links and names from "SmackDown" and "ECW" to "Friday Night SmackDown" and "ECW of Sci Fi", yet every once in a while I and a few others have caught him still persisting to change them spite the consensus established at three different pages on the subject by several editors. To be honest, for the past 3 years, he has been given enough room to breath. He knows the rules, and yet he still continues to break them. This is his 4 block in like 6 months. I believe it is clear, he isn't stopping anything. He goes by his own rules.--[[User:Wrestlinglover|<span style="color:red;">'''Will'''</span>]][[User talk:Wrestlinglover|<span style="color:blue;">'''C'''</span>]] 03:33, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
== Hey ==

Hey TJ, how have you been? <span style="font-family: tahoma">''' [[User:Save Us.Y2J|<span style="color:blue">Save</span>]] [[User talk:Save Us.Y2J|<span style="color:green">Us.</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Save Us.Y2J|<span style="color:black">Y2J</span>]]'''</span> 12:00, January 20 2010 (UTC)

:I've been pretty good. I'm just playing Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 at the moment. <span style="font-family: tahoma">''' [[User:Save Us.Y2J|<span style="color:blue">Save</span>]] [[User talk:Save Us.Y2J|<span style="color:green">Us.</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Save Us.Y2J|<span style="color:black">Y2J</span>]]'''</span> 12:24, January 20 2010 (UTC)

::It is a great game. The game has got alot of controversy but it's still a good game. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare is a good game aswell. I finished that on regular and I finished Modern Warfare 2 on hardened. Special Ops on Modern Warfare 2 is amazing. <span style="font-family: tahoma">''' [[User:Save Us.Y2J|<span style="color:blue">Save</span>]] [[User talk:Save Us.Y2J|<span style="color:green">Us.</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Save Us.Y2J|<span style="color:black">Y2J</span>]]'''</span> 12:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

== ECW ==

I wasn't vandalisizing or test editing, i believe it should say "was" because its dead.. plus WWE made me vomit on what they did to ECW. the final nail in the coffin was when Vince McMahon decided to shit on Paul Heyman and make himself the ECW Champion. thats why i want it to say was... without me needing to make a critism section... which im tempted to do big time if there isn't one already. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dr. Pizza|Dr. Pizza]] ([[User talk:Dr. Pizza|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dr. Pizza|contribs]])  01:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
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== MXW Pro Wrestling ==

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'''''—Articles'''''
*'''[[IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship/archive2|(review page)]]}} and '''[[NWA World Middleweight Championship]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/NWA World Middleweight Championship/archive1|(review page)]]}} are current [[WP:FLC|Featured list candidates]].
*'''[[Debra Marshall]]''' and '''[[Nick Mitchell]]''' are current [[WP:GAN|Good article nominees]].
*'''[[ROH World Television Championship]]''' {{small|[[Talk:ROH World Television Championship/GA1|(review page)]]}} was not promoted to [[WP:GA|Good article status]].
*The following article appeared on the main page in the [[WP:DYK|Did You Know?]] column:
**[[Tiger Raj Singh]] {{small|March 21, 2010}}
*[[WP:XFD|Deletion discussions]]:
**[[WP:AFD|Articles for deletion]]:
***'''Current:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Senica|Mike Senica]]
***'''Kept:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward Chastain|Edward Chastain]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tiger Raj Singh|Tiger Raj Singh]].
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alternative Wrestling Show|Alternative Wrestling Show]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of CZW events|List of CZW events]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarona Snuka|Sarona Snuka]], and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/T-bone Funk|T-bone Funk]].
***'''No consensus:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MXW Pro Wrestling|MXW Pro Wrestling]]
***'''Redirected:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/High-flyer wrestler|High-flyer wrestler]]
**[[WP:CFD|Categories for discussion]]:
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 8#Category:Flagship professional wrestling pay-per-view events by promotion|Category:Flagship professional wrestling pay-per-view events by promotion]]
*[[WP:RM|Requested moves]]:
**'''Moved:''' ''Matthew Kaye'' to [[Matt Striker]] [[Talk:Matt Striker#Requested move|(discussion)]].

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*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of March 28, we are at '''7.85%''', with '''373''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
*Based on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list|members list]], there are currently '''242''' members participating in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling|WikiProject Professional wrestling]].

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**28 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[WrestleMania XXVI]]'''
*''April:''
**3 - [[Ring of Honor]] (ROH) presents '''[[ROH The Big Bang!|The Big Bang!]]'''
**18 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Lockdown (2010)|Lockdown]]'''
**25 - WWE presents '''[[Extreme Rules (2010)|Extreme Rules]]'''

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*On March 14:
**[[Adam Pearce]] won the [[NWA World Heavyweight Championship]] by defeating the reigning champion [[Blue Demon, Jr.]] and [[Phil Shatter]] in a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic elimination matches|three-way elimination match]].
**[[Corsica Joe]] died at the age of 90 in [[Nashville, Tennessee]].
*On March 19:
**At [[Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre]]'s ''[[Homenaje a Dos Leyendas (2010)|Homenaje a Dos Leyendas]]'' show, [[La Sombra (wrestler)|La Sombra]] defeated [[El Felino]] in a [[Lucha libre#Luchas de Apuestas|Mask vs. Mask]] match, forcing El Felino to unmask.
**[[Takeshi Morishima]] and [[Taiji Ishimori]] won the [[AAA World Tag Team Championship]] from ''La Hermandad 187'' ([[Psicosis|Nicho el Milionario]] and [[Joe Lider]]) at a television taping.
*On March 20:
**[[Mikel Scicluna]] died at the age of 80 due to cancer.
**[[Charlie Haas]] won the [[JAPW New Jersey State Championship]] by defeating [[Devon Moore]].
**[[Bruderschaft des Kreuzes]] ([[Claudio Castagnoli]] and [[Ares]]) won the [[Chikara Campeonatos de Parejas]] by defeating [[The Colony (professional wrestling)|The Colony]] (Fire Ant and Soldier Ant).
*On March 21:
**[[Shingo Takagi]] and [[Cyber Kong]] defeated [[Nobuhiko Oshima|Cima]] and [[Yoshito Sugamoto|Gamma]] to win the [[Dragon Gate Open the Twin Gate Championship]].
**[[Masato Onodera|Yamato]] defeated [[Naruki Doi]] to become the new [[Dragon Gate Open the Dream Gate Championship|Open the Dream Gate Champion]].
*On March 22:
**[[Stu Bennett|Wade Barrett]] broken his nose at the ''[[WWE NXT|NXT]]'' tapings.
**[[Dixie Carter (professional wrestling)|Dixie Carter]] officially confirmed [[Kia Stevens|Awesome Kong]]'s release from TNA.
*It was reported on March 24 that [[Florida Championship Wrestling]] competitor [[Ricky Steamboat#Personal life|Richie Steamboat]] had suffered a torn PCL.
*On March 26, it was reported that [[Mark Jindrak|Marco Corleone]] had officially left AAA.

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== Concerning the situation with the logo for the Mutual Broadcasting System... ==

Um, excuse me.....since you seem to think you can sue over usage of the MBS logo, how about I contact Westwood One and see what they have to say about the matter? In fact, how about I alert Westwood One to your unauthorized usage of their trademark? I mean, if you want to talk about infringement & suing & such, I'm pretty sure Westwood One would be MORE than happy to clarify exactly who has that right. I mean, after all, you are using the MBS logo without their permission, so how in the hell do you think you have the right to sue over something YOU DON'T OWN? So, what I'm trying to say is, make a post on the MBS talk page rescinding your threat to sue & apologize to Wikipedia, or I'll report your site to Westwood One (& they can sue YOU for everything you're worth). So, sir, the ball's in your court. I hope you make the right decision. [[Special:Contributions/67.173.117.222|67.173.117.222]] ([[User talk:67.173.117.222|talk]]) 19:36, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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*'''[[FIP World Heavyweight Championship]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/FIP World Heavyweight Championship/archive1|(review page)]]}} and '''[[IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship/archive2|(review page)]]}} are current [[WP:FLC|Featured list candidates]].
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*'''[[Michael Brendli]]''' and '''[[ROH World Television Championship]]''' {{small|[[Talk:ROH World Television Championship/GA2|(review page)]]}} are current [[WP:GAN|Good article nominees]].
*[[WP:XFD|Deletion discussions]]:
**[[WP:AFD|Articles for deletion]]:
***'''Current:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brimstone (wrestler) (2nd nomination)|Brimstone (wrestler) (2nd nomination)]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derek Allen|Derek Allen]].
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Senica|Mike Senica]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WrestleMania XXVIII|WrestleMania XXVIII]].
*[[WP:RM|Requested moves]]
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**'''Moved''': ''Chris Mordetzky'' to [[Chris Masters]], ''Terry Gerin'' to [[Rhino (wrestler)]], ''Jason Reso'' to [[Christian (wrestler)]], ''Oleg Prudius'' to [[Vladimir Kozlov]], ''Adam Copeland'' to [[Edge (wrestler)]], ''Sheamus O'Shaunessy'' to [[Sheamus]], ''Angel Williams'' to [[Angelina Love]], ''Leonardo Carrera'' to [[Damián 666]], ''Erick Casas'' to [[Heavy Metal (wrestler)]], ''Jake Hager'' to [[Jack Swagger]], ''Rafael García'' to [[Super Caló]], and ''José Luis Jair Soria'' to [[Shocker (wrestler)]].

'''''—Project'''''
*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of April 11, we are at '''7.62%''', with '''363''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
*Based on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list|members list]], there are currently '''243''' members participating in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling|WikiProject Professional wrestling]].

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*18 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Lockdown (2010)|Lockdown]]'''
*25 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[Extreme Rules (2010)|Extreme Rules]]'''

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*At [[WrestleMania XXVI]]:
**[[John Cena]] won the [[WWE Championship]] by defeating [[Dave Batista|Batista]].
**[[Jack Swagger]] won the [[Money in the Bank ladder match]].
**[[The Undertaker]] defeated [[Shawn Michaels]] in a "Streak vs. Career" match, forcing Michaels to retire.
*On March 29:
**It was reported that [[Consequences Creed]] and the [[Nasty Boys]] ([[Brian Knobbs]] and [[Jerry Sags]]) had been released from their TNA contracts.
**[[Brooke Adams (model)|Brooke Adams]] made her TNA debut on ''[[TNA Impact!|Impact!]]'' as [[Eric Bischoff]]'s assistant, Ms. Tessmacher.
*Jack Swagger cashed in his [[Money in the Bank ladder match#2010|Money in the Bank]] contract at the ''[[WWE SmackDown|SmackDown]]'' taping on March 30 and defeated [[Chris Jericho]] to win the [[World Heavyweight Championship (WWE)|World Heavyweight Championship]] for the first time. The match aired on the April 2 episode of ''SmackDown''.
*Christopher Daniels was released from his TNA contract on March 31.
*[[Chris Kanyon]] died on April 2 at the age of 40 due to a drug overdose in an apparent suicide.
*On April 3:
**[[Lance Cade]] was released from his WWE contract.
**At ROH's [[ROH The Big Bang!|The Big Bang!]] pay-per-view:
***[[Christopher Daniels]] made his return to [[Ring of Honor]] (ROH).
***The [[Kings of Wrestling (independent circuit)|Kings of Wrestling]] ([[Chris Hero]] and [[Claudio Castagnoli]]) defeated the [[Briscoe Brothers]] (Mark and Jay) to win the [[ROH World Tag Team Championship]] for the second time.
*On April 5 on ''Impact!'', [[Angelina Love]] won the [[TNA Women's Knockout Championship]] by defeating [[Lisa Marie Varon|Tara]], [[Velvet Sky]], and [[Daffney]], and opening the correct lockbox with the key she won as a result.

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== Story Mode Federation ==

I was looking through the archives in the WP:PW deletion sorting and I came across Story Mode Federation.  It is not an efed, but it is a CAW league.  It has a following and has it's own article on the CAW Wikia.  It is popular on YouTube with the CAW fans, but that is it.  Now you know a little more on SMF.  <span style="background:black"><span style="color:red">Mr. C.C.</span><sup>[[User talk:Fishhead2100|<span style="color:white">Hey yo!</span>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Fishhead2100|<span style="color:red">I didn't do it!</span>]]</sub></span> 04:01, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
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*'''[[Sherri Martel]]''' is a current [[WP:GAN|Good article nominee]].
*'''[[Spirit Squad]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Spirit Squad/archive1|(review page)]]}} is a current [[WP:GTC|Good topic candidate]].
*[[WP:XFD|Deletion discussions]]:
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***'''Current:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Maivia, Jr.|Peter Maivia, Jr.]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ricky Vega|Ricky Vega]], and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Team Lay-Cool|Team Lay-Cool]].
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derek Allen|Derek Allen]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madison Eagles (2nd nomination)|Madison Eagles (2nd nomination)]], and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Massachusetts wrestling|Massachusetts wrestling]].
***'''Kept:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brimstone (wrestler) (2nd nomination)|Brimstone (wrestler) (2nd nomination)]]
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***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 April 14#Template:Wrestling PPVs|Template:Wrestling PPVs]]
*[[WP:RM|Requested moves]]
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**'''Moved''': ''Nelson Erazo'' to [[Homicide (wrestler)]], ''Scott Levy'' to [[Raven (wrestler)]], ''Jessica Kresa'' to [[ODB (wrestler)]], and ''Harry Fujiwara'' to [[Mr. Fuji]].

'''''—Project'''''
*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of April 25, we are at '''7.54%''', with '''361''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
*Based on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list|members list]], there are currently '''244''' members participating in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling|WikiProject Professional wrestling]].
**If you are actively editing and contributing to articles under the scope of WP:PW, it is suggested that you add your name to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list/Active|list of active members]].

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**25 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[Extreme Rules (2010)|Extreme Rules]]'''
**26 - WWE presents the '''[[2010 WWE Draft]]'''
*May:
**16 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Sacrifice (2010)|Sacrifice]]'''
**23 - WWE presents '''[[WWE Over the Limit|Over the Limit]]'''

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*[[Madison Eagles]] defeated [[MsChif]] on April 11 to win the [[Shimmer Championship]].
*On April 12:
**[[Eve Torres]] won the [[WWE Divas Championship]] for the first time by defeating [[Maryse Ouellet|Maryse]] on ''[[WWE Raw|Raw]]''.
**TNA debuted a new television show, ''[[TNA Reaction|ReAction]]''.
**It was reported that ''[[WWE SmackDown|SmackDown]]'' will be moving to the [[Syfy]] channel in late 2010.
*On April 14:
**[[Wrestlicious]] announced a television deal with [[The Fight Network]] in Canada to air ''[[Wrestlicious#Wrestlicious Takedown|Wrestlicious Takedown]]'', beginning in May.
**[[Gene Kiniski]] died at the age of 82 after a battle with [[cancer]].
**It was reported that WWE had released [[Beverly Mullins]] from her contract.
**[[Bison Smith]] and [[Keith Walker]] won the [[GHC Tag Team Championship]] from [[Takeshi Rikio]]h and [[Satoshi Yoneyama|Muhammad Yone]].
*On April 17:
**[[Jon Moxley]] won a "Florida Rumble" tournament to win the vacated [[FIP World Heavyweight Championship]] for the first time, by last defeating [[Roderick Strong]]. The championship was vacated by [[Davey Richards]] due to contractual issues in March.
**[[Tyler Veritas]] suffered a broken foot at an MBA event in [[South Philadelphia]], and is expected to be rehabilitating the injury for up to six weeks.
**[[Cindy Rogers]] and [[Jana (wrestler)|Jana]] won the [[Women Superstars Uncensored#WSU Tag Team Championship|WSU Tag Team Championship]] by defeating [[Angel Orsini]] and [[Mercedes Martinez]].
**[[Genny Goulet|LuFisto]] suffered a minor [[stroke]] shortly after a match, but is not expected to need time off.
*On April 18:
**[[Tigers Mask]] defeated [[Super Shisa]] to win the [[Dragon Gate Open the Brave Gate Championship]].
**[[Máscara Año 2000, Jr.]] defeated [[El Canek]] to win the [[IWRG Intercontinental Heavyweight Championship]].
**At [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]]'s [[Lockdown (2010)|Lockdown]] [[pay-per-view]]:
***[[Doug Williams (wrestler)|Doug Williams]] was stripped of the [[TNA X Division Championship]] due to [[List of professional wrestling terms#N|no-showing]] the event because of a [[2010 eruptions of Eyjafjallajökull|volcano eruption in Iceland]], which [[Air travel disruption after the 2010 Eyjafjallajökull eruption|disrupted flights in Europe]].
***[[Frankie Kazarian]] went on to win the vacant X Division Championship by defeating [[Homicide (wrestler)|Homicide]] and [[Shannon Moore]] in a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic non-elimination matches|three-way]] [[Professional wrestling match types#Cages|steel cage match]].
***[[Ashley Lane|Madison Rayne]] won the [[TNA Women's Knockout Championship]] in a [[Professional wrestling tag team match types|tag team]] steel cage match, making her the first person to hold the Knockouts Championship and the [[TNA Knockout Tag Team Championship]]s simultanously.
*[[Rob Van Dam]] won the [[TNA World Heavyweight Championship]] on April 19 by defeating [[A.J. Styles]] on ''[[TNA Impact!|Impact!]]''.
*On April 20:
**[[Adam Birch]] made his WWE return as Joey Mercury, losing a [[List of professional wrestling terms#D|dark match]] to [[Shelton Benjamin]] prior to the ''SmackDown'' television tapings.
**[[Daffney]] suffered a [[Stinger (medicine)|stinger]] and a bruised [[sternum]] during a dark match prior to the ''Impact!'' tapings.
**[[Angelina Love]] partially tore her [[Biceps brachii muscle|bicep muscle]] and suffered a complete [[ulnar collateral ligament]] tear at the ''Impact!'' tapings, and is expected to miss several weeks.
**Former [[Southwest Championship Wrestling]] announcer [[Steve Stack]] died after a long battle with [[Alzheimer's disease]].
**Katsuji Adachi, better known as [[Mr. Hito]], died in [[Calgary]] at the age of 67. His death was related to [[Diabetes mellitus|diabetes]].
*On April 21:
**[[Fergal Devitt|Prince Devitt]] and [[Ryusuke Taguchi]] were stripped of the [[IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship]].
**"Gorgeous" [[George Grant]] died at the age of 85.
*WWE announced the release of seven wrestlers from their contracts: [[Mickie James]], [[Katarina Waters|Katie Lea]], Shelton Benjamin, [[Ray Gordy|Slam Mater J]], [[James Yun|Jimmy Wang Yang]], [[Shoichi Funaki|Kung Fu Naki]], and [[Mike Knox]] on April 22.

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*'''[[FIP World Heavyweight Championship]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/FIP World Heavyweight Championship/archive1|(review page)]]}} is a current [[WP:FLC|Featured list candidate]].
*'''[[Kevin Fertig]]''', '''[[Kia Stevens]]''', '''[[Matt Striker]]''', '''[[Shelly Martinez]]''', and '''[[Sherri Martel]]''' is a current [[WP:GAN|Good article nominee]].
*The following articles appeared on the [[main page]] as part of the [[WP:DYK|Did You Know?]] column:
**April 28: '''[[Eddie Quinn]]'''
**May 7: '''[[Cueball Carmichael]]'''
*[[WP:XFD|Deletion discussions]]:
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***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Maivia, Jr.|Peter Maivia, Jr.]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Team Lay-Cool|Team Lay-Cool]].
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**'''Moved:''' ''César Cuauhtémoc González'' to [[Silver King (wrestler)]], ''Chris Parks'' to [[Abyss (wrestler)]], ''Bill Martinez'' to [[Bill Martínez]], ''Manuel Ortiz'' to [[Halloween (wrestler)]], ''Carly Colón'' to [[Carlito (wrestler)]] and ''Rodney Anoa'i'' to [[Yokozuna (wrestler)]].

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*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of May 9, we are at '''7.70%''', with '''370''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
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*16 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Sacrifice (2010)|Sacrifice]]'''
*23 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[WWE Over the Limit|Over the Limit]]'''

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*At WWE's [[Extreme Rules (2010)|Extreme Rules]] [[pay-per-view]] on April 25, [[Beth Phoenix]] won the [[WWE Women's Championship]] by defeating [[Michelle McCool]] in an "Extreme Makeover" match.
*During the annual [[2010 WWE Draft]] on the April 26 episode of ''[[WWE Raw|Raw]]'':
**[[The Hart Foundation#The Hart Dynasty|The Hart Dynasty]] ([[TJ Wilson|Tyson Kid]] and [[Harry Smith (wrestler)|David Hart Smith]]) won the [[Unified WWE Tag Team Championship]] by defeating ShoMiz ([[Mike Mizanin|The Miz]] and [[Paul Wight|The Big Show]]).
**Eight wrestlers were drafted to different brands as a result of the draft.
*On April 27, WWE held the annual [[2010 WWE Draft#Supplemental Draft|Supplemental Draft]].
*On April 29 [[Brett DiBiase]] suffered a knee injury at a [[Florida Championship Wrestling]] event, and requires surgery.
*On April 30:
**TNA released [[Bubba the Love Sponge]] from his contract.
**WWE announced that [[Tony Atlas]] had been released from his contract.
*On May 3:
**[[Togi Makabe]] won the [[IWGP Heavyweight Championship]] by defeating [[Shinsuke Nakamura]].
**[[Jushin Liger]] defeated [[Negro Casas]] to win the [[CMLL World Middleweight Championship]] in [[Fukuoka|Fukuoka, Japan]].
**TNA announced that ''[[TNA Impact!|Impact!]]'' will moving back to its original Thursday night timeslot on May 13.
**[[Robert Shibuya]] died at the age of 88.
*On May 4:
**[[Kevin Nash]] and [[Scott Hall]] won the [[TNA World Tag Team Championship]] at the ''Impact!'' tapings.
**[[Drew Galloway|Drew McIntyre]] was stripped of the [[WWE Intercontinental Championship]] at the ''[[WWE SmackDown|SmackDown]]'' tapings, and a tournament was set up to determine the next champion.
**[[El Supremo (wrestler)|El Supremo]] died at the age 59 due to a [[Myocardial infarction|heart attack]].
*On May 5, [[Takuya Sugawara]], [[Yasushi Kanda]], and [[Kzy]] won the [[Dragon Gate Open the Triangle Gate Championship]] by defeating [[Masaaki Mochizuki]], [[Don Fujii]], and [[Akebono Tarō|Akebono]].
*[[El Samurai]] and [[Koji Kanemoto]] won a tournament to win the vacant [[IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship]], by defeating [[Fergal Devitt|Prince Devitt]] and [[Ryusuke Taguchi]] in the final on May 8.

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*'''[[FIP World Heavyweight Championship]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/FIP World Heavyweight Championship/archive1|(review page)]]}} was not promoted to [[WP:FL|Featured list]] status.
*'''[[Kevin Fertig]]''', '''[[Kia Stevens]]''', '''[[Matt Striker]]''', and '''[[Shelly Martinez]]''' are current [[WP:GAN|Good article nominee]]s.
*[[WP:XFD|Deletion discussions]]:
**[[WP:AFD|Articles for deletion]]:
***'''Current:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Damien Kane (2nd nomination)|Damien Kane (2nd nomination)]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jimmy Noonan|Jimmy Noonan]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnny Midnight|Johnny Midnight]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JT Southern|JT Southern]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Natural|Miss Natural]].
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mar-Ian|Mar-Ian]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Powerhouse Wrestler|Powerhouse Wrestler]].
***'''Kept:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George South|George South]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larry Stephens (wrestler)|Larry Stephens (wrestler)]].
*[[WP:RM|Requested moves]]
**'''Current:''' Several requested moves are being discussed at [[WT:PW#Proposed moves]].

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*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of May 23, we are at '''7.66%''', with '''370''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
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*May:
**23 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[WWE Over the Limit|Over the Limit]]'''
*June:
**6 - [[Asistencia Asesoría y Administración]] (AAA) presents '''[[TripleMania XVIII]]'''
**6 - [[Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre]] (CMLL) presents '''''[[Sin Salida (2010)|Sin Salida]]'''''
**13 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Slammiversary VIII|Slammiversary]]'''
**19 - [[Ring of Honor]] present '''[[Death Before Dishonor VIII]]'''
**20 - WWE presents '''[[WWE Fatal 4 Way|Fatal 4 Way]]'''

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*[[Layla El|Layla]] won the [[WWE Women's Championship]] on May 11 by defeating [[Beth Phoenix]] in a [[Professional wrestling match types#Handicap match|handicap match]] also involving [[Michelle McCool]]. Her win made her the first British woman to hold the championship. The match aired on the May 14 episode of ''[[WWE SmackDown|SmackDown]]''.
*It was reported on May 12 that TNA had signed [[Betsy Ruth]] to a contract.
*On May 13, [[Nobuhiko Oshima|CIMA]], [[Yoshito Sugamoto|Gamma]], and [[Genki Horiguchi]] won the [[Dragon Gate Open the Triangle Gate Championship]] by defeating [[Takuya Sugawara]], [[M.c.KZ|Kzy]], and [[Yasushi Kanda]].
*On May 14:
**It was announced that the [[Championship Wrestling Alliance]] had signed a deal with GoFightLive to air [[pay-per-view]]s online.
**[[Chikara (professional wrestling)|Chikara]] announced that production on their video game, ''[[Rudo Resurrection]]'', had begun.
*British wrestler and promoter [[Andre Baker]] died at the age of 45 during the weekend of May 15, by apparent suicide.
*On May 16:
**It was reported that TNA had released [[ring announcer]] [[David Penzer]].
**At [[Sacrifice (2010)|Sacrifice]], [[Doug Williams (wrestler)|Douglas Williams]] won the [[TNA X Division Championship]] by defeating [[Frankie Kazarian|Kazarian]].
*On May 17, [[Bret Hart]] defeated [[Mike Mizanin|The Miz]] to win the [[WWE United States Championship]] for the fifth time, his first championship in WWE since 1997.
*On May 21:
**WWE announced that [[Carlito (wrestler)|Carlito]] had been released from his contract for a [[World Wrestling Entertainment#Wellness Program|Wellness Policy]] violation and subsequent refusal to attend rehab.
**[[Máscara Dorada]], [[La Mascara (wrestler)|La Máscara]] and [[La Sombra (wrestler)|La Sombra]] won the [[CMLL World Trios Championship]] from [[Shigeo Okumura|Okumura]], [[Hiroshi Tanahashi]] and [[Taichi Ishikari|Taichi]] on [[CMLL Super Viernes (May 2010)#May 21, 2010|CMLL ''Super Viernes'']].

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'''''—Articles'''''
*'''[[2010 WWE Draft]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/2010 WWE Draft/archive1|(review page)]]}} is a current [[WP:FLC|Featured list candidate]].
*'''[[Ashley Lane]]''', '''[[Jack Swagger]]''', '''[[Kevin Fertig]]''', '''[[Kia Stevens]]''', '''[[Matt Striker]]''' {{small|[[Talk:Matt Striker/GA1|(review page)]]}}, and '''[[Shelly Martinez]]''' are current [[WP:GAN|Good article nominee]]s.
*The following articles appeared on the [[main page]] as part of the [[WP:DYK|Did You Know?]] section:
**May 24: '''[[Doug Yasinsky]]'''
**May 26: '''[[Rocky Iaukea]]'''
**June 1: '''[[WWE Over the Limit]]'''
**June 2: '''[[Ricky Blues]]'''
*[[WP:XFD|Deletion discussions]]:
**[[WP:AFD|Articles for deletion]]:
***'''Current:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ric Converse|Ric Converse]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Summerslam 2010|Summerslam 2010]].
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jimmy Noonan|Jimmy Noonan]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnny Midnight|Johnny Midnight]], and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miss Natural|Miss Natural]].
***'''Kept:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Damien Kane (2nd nomination)|Damien Kane (2nd nomination)]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George South|George South]], and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JT Southern|JT Southern]].
*[[WP:RM|Requested moves]]
**'''Current:''' Several requested moves are still being discussed at [[WT:PW#Proposed moves]].

'''''—Project'''''
*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of June 6, we are at '''7.67%''', with '''375''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
*Based on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list|members list]], there are currently '''246''' members participating in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling|WikiProject Professional wrestling]].
**If you are currently participating actively in WP:PW, it is recommended that you add your name to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list/Active|active members list]].
*You can see the progress that we have made so far this year in our 2010 Resolutions at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010]]. Please feel free to help out with an aim listed.
*There is a proposal at [[WT:PW#Revamping television show articles]] to revamp the articles of wrestling television shows, such as ''[[WWE Raw|Raw]]'', ''[[WWE SmackDown|SmackDown]]'', ''[[Ring of Honor Wrestling]]'', and ''[[TNA Impact!|Impact!]]'', to make them conform with [[MOS:TV]].
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*6 - [[Asistencia Asesoría y Administración]] (AAA) presents '''[[TripleMania XVIII]]'''
*6 - [[Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre]] (CMLL) presents '''''[[Sin Salida (2010)|Sin Salida]]'''''
*13 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Slammiversary VIII|Slammiversary]]'''
*19 - [[Ring of Honor]] (ROH) presents '''[[Death Before Dishonor VIII]]'''
*20 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[WWE Fatal 4-Way|Fatal 4-Way]]'''

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*On May 23:
**[[Dr. Cerebro]] defeated [[Fuerza Guerrera]] to win the [[IWRG Intercontinental Welterweight Championship]].
**[[Atsushi Aoki]] and [[Go Shiozaki]] defeated [[Takeshi Morishima]] and [[Taiji Ishimori]] at a [[Pro Wrestling Noah]] show to win the [[AAA World Tag Team Championship]].
**At [[WWE Over the Limit|Over the Limit]]:
***[[Kofi Kingston]] defeated [[Drew McIntyre]] to win the [[WWE Intercontinental Championship]].
***[[Randy Orton]] suffered a [[separated shoulder]] during his match with [[Edge (wrestler)|Edge]].
***[[Ted DiBiase, Jr.]] suffered a concussion during his match with R-Truth.
*On May 24:
**[[Rusher Kimura]] died of [[pneumonia]], after complications of [[Renal failure|kidney failure]], at the age of 68.
**[[Christie Ricci|Glory]] won the [[Wrestlicious Championship]] on ''[[Wrestlicious#Wrestlicious Takedown|Wrestlicious Takedown]]''.
**[[Bret Hart]] vacated the [[WWE United States Championship]] after being named the new [[Professional wrestling authority figures#General Managers|Raw General Manager]]. [[Ron Killings|R-Truth]] went on to win the vacated championship by defeating [[Mike Mizanin|The Miz]].
*At the ''[[WWE SmackDown|SmackDown]]'' tapings on May 25, [[The Undertaker]] made his SmackDown return, defeating [[Rey Mysterio, Jr.|Rey Mysterio]]. During the match, however, The Undertaker suffered a [[concussion]], broken [[Orbit (anatomy)|orbital bone]] and broken nose.
*[[Asistencia Asesoría y Administración]] (AAA) announed the creation of a new championship, the [[AAA Parejas Increibles Tag Team Championship]], and a tournament to determine the inaugural champions will take place on June 12.
*During an interview with ''[[The Sun (newspaper)|The Sun]]'' on May 28, [[Ric Flair]] revealed that his youngest son [[Reid Fliehr|Reid]] had signed a contract with [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA).
*On May 29 at ''All or Nothing'', [[Michael Brendli|Mike Mondo]] won the [[OVW Heavyweight Championship]] by defeating [[Beef Wellington (wrestler)|Beef Wellington]].
*On the May 31 episode of [[New England Championship Wrestling]]'s television show, Rican Havoc (Jose Perez and Don Vega) defeated the Crown Jewels (Darling Damon and Bad Boy Jason) in a [[Professional wrestling match types#Hardcore-based variations|no disqualification match]] to win the [[NECW Tag Team Championship]].
*On June 1:
**The season finale of ''[[WWE NXT]]'' aired, with [[Stu Bennett|Wade Barrett]] being declared the winner.
**The Rookies and Pros for the [[WWE NXT#Season 2|second season]] of ''NXT'' were announced.
*The [[Independent Wrestling Federation]] announced that one of their wrestlers, [[Fady the Arabian Bull]], had signed a contract with [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) on June 2.
*On June 3, Los Aviadores ([[Incognito (wrestler)|Hunico]] and [[Orlando Colón|Don Equis]]) won the [[FCW Florida Tag Team Championship]] by defeating The Usos (Jimmy and Jules).

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#Be aware of [[WP:WTA|words to avoid]]. Certain words, if chosen poorly, can subtly promote a point of view.
#Please consider helping out with the project's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|2010 Resolutions]], and help achieve one of the goals listed.
#Please remember that [[WP:FUR|fair use]] images and media can be only be used if no free equivalent is available or could be created. Fair use images uploaded when a free equivalent exists will be deleted.
#Avoid using dirtsheets as sources. Adhere to [[WP:RS]] when adding information with a source to articles. For a list of reliable and unreliable wrestling-related sources see [[WP:PW/SG#Sources]].

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**20 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[WWE Fatal 4-Way|Fatal 4-Way]]'''

*July:
**11 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Victory Road (2010)|Victory Road]]'''
**18 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[WWE Money in the Bank|Money in the Bank]]'''

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*On June 6:
**[[Nobuhiko Oshima|CIMA]] won the [[IWRG Intercontinental Welterweight Championship]] by defeating [[Dr. Cerebro]].
**At [[Asistencia Asesoría y Administración]]'s [[TripleMania XVIII]] [[pay-per-view]]:
***[[Octagóncito (AAA)|Octagóncito]] defeated reigning champion [[Mini Abismo Negro]], and [[Mini Charly Manson]], [[Mascarita Divina]], [[Mini Histeria]], [[Mascarita Sagrada]], [[La Parkita (AAA)|La Parkita]], [[Mini Chessman]], and [[Mini Psicosis]] to win the [[AAA World Mini-Estrella Championship]] in a [[Tables, Ladders, and Chairs match]].
***[[Silver King]] and [[Último Gladiador]] won the [[AAA World Tag Team Championship]] by defeating reigning champions [[Atsushi Aoki]] and [[Go Shiozaki]] in a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic elimination matches|four-way elimination match]], alos involving [[Psicosis|Nicho el Millionario]] and [[Joe Lider]] and [[Beer Money, Inc.]] ([[Robert Roode]] and [[James Storm]]).
***[[Jack Evans]] won the [[AAA Cruiserweight Championship]] by winning a four-way elimination match against [[Christopher Daniels]], [[Kazushige Nosawa|NOSAWA]], and defending champion [[Extreme Tiger]].
***[[Dr. Wagner, Jr.]] defeated [[Electroshock (wrestler)|Electroshock]] to win the [[AAA World Heavyweight Championship]].
*[[Maury High]], better known as the second Rocket Monroe, died on June 7.
*On June 11, WWE announced that [[Bryan Danielson]] (Daniel Bryan) had been released from his contract.
*On June 12, [[Grizzly Smith]] died at the age of 77.
*On June 13:
**[[Nicole Raczynski|Roxxi]] was released from TNA, losing to [[Ashley Lane|Madison Rayne]] in her final match at the [[Slammiversary VIII|Slammiversary]] [[pay-per-view]].
**[[Fergal Devitt|Prince Devitt]] won the [[Best of the Super Juniors#2010|2010]] [[Best of the Super Juniors]] tournament, by defeating [[Kota Ibushi]] in the final.
*On June 14;
**[[ODB (wrestler)|ODB]] announced that she had left [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA).
**[[Scott Hall]] and [[Kevin Nash]] were stripped of the [[TNA World Tag Team Championship]] at the ''[[TNA Impact!|Impact!]]'' tapings, due to Hall leaving TNA.
**[[Mike Mizanin|The Miz]] won the [[WWE United States Championship]] for the second time by winning a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic non-elimination matches|fatal four-way match]] on ''[[WWE Raw|Raw]]''.
**[[Zack Ryder]] suffered a [[concussion]] during the fatal four-way match for the WWE United States Championship.
**[[Princesa Sujei]] defeated [[Lady Apache]] to win the [[PWR Women's Championship]] at a [[Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre]] show.
*On June 18, [[Trent Acid]] (real name Michael Verdi) was found dead. The cause of death is currently unknown.
*On June 19:
**Bad Intentions ([[Matt Bloom|Giant Bernard]] and [[Karl Anderson]]) won the [[IWGP Tag Team Championship]] by defeating the defending champions, [[Yuji Nagata]] and [[Wataru Inoue]], and [[Yujiro Takahashi]] and [[Tetsuya Naitō]] in a [[Professional wrestling tag team match types#Basic elimination matches|three-way elimination match]].
**Prince Devitt won the [[IWGP Junior Heavyweight Championship]] for the first time by defeating [[Naomichi Marufuji]].

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*[[WP:XFD|Deletion discussions]]:
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***'''Current:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anna Minoushka|Anna Minoushka]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HSW Women's Championship|HSW Women's Championship]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NCW Femmes Fatales|NCW Femmes Fatales]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Nexus (Professional wrestling)|The Nexus (Professional wrestling)]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mistress Belmont|Mistress Belmont]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PJ Tyler|PJ Tyler]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roxie Cotton|Roxie Cotton]], and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sabrina Kyle|Sabrina Kyle]].
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Devorah Frost|Devorah Frost]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dude Rock|Dude Rock]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ferdinand Rios (2nd nomination)|Ferdinand Rios (2nd nomination)]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jessie McKay (2nd nomination)|Jessie McKay (2nd nomination)]], and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madison Eagles (3rd nomination)|Madison Eagles (3rd nomination)]].
***'''Kept:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of professional wrestling promotions in Mexico|List of professional wrestling promotions in Mexico]] {{small|(no consensus)}}, [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of independent wrestling promotions in the United States|List of independent wrestling promotions in the United States]] {{small|(no consensus)}}, and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scott L. Schwartz|Scott L. Schwartz]]
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*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of , we are at '''7.30%''', with '''358''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
*Based on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list|members list]], there are currently '''238''' members participating in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling|WikiProject Professional wrestling]].


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*On June 20:
**[[El Hijo de Cien Caras]] and [[Máscara Año 2000, Jr.]] defeated [[Pirata Morgan]] and [[El Hijo de Pirata Morgan]] to win the [[IWRG Intercontinental Tag Team Championship]].
**At WWE's [[WWE Fatal 4-Way|Fatal 4-Way]] [[pay-per-view]]:
***[[Alicia Fox]] won the [[WWE Divas Championship]] by winning a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic non-elimination matches|fatal four-way match]] also involing the defending champion [[Eve Torres|Eve]], [[Maryse Ouellet|Maryse]], and [[Gail Kim]].
***[[Rey Mysterio, Jr.|Rey Mysterio]] defeated defending champion [[Jack Swagger]], [[Paul Wight|The Big Show]] and [[CM Punk]] in a fatal four-way match to win the [[World Heavyweight Championship (WWE)|World Heavyweight Championship]].
***[[Sheamus]] won the [[WWE Championship]] for the second time by pinning defending champion [[John Cena]] in a fatal four-way match also involving [[Edge (wrestler)|Edge]] and [[Randy Orton]].
*On June 23 [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) announced that [[Angela Fong|Savannah]] had been released from her contract.
*On June 24:
**[[Silver King (wrestler)|Silver King]] defeated [[Máscara Año 2000, Jr.]] to win the [[IWRG Intercontinental Heavyweight Championship]].
**[[Toni Adams]], real name Toni Donahoo, the former valet and wife of [[Chris Adams (wrestler)|Chris Adams]] died at the age of 45 in [[Louisville, Kentucky]].
*[[El Scorpio]] died in Mexico at the age of 57 on June 25.
*On June 26:
**It was reported that [[The Great Mephisto]] had undergone surgery on his [[carotid artery]] to improve blood flow.
**[[The Caribbean Connection]] (Coconut Jones and Maximo Suave) defeated defending champions A Trip To Hell, [[The Miracle Ultraviolence Connection|CloudLee]], and The McCloud Brothers in a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic elimination matches|four corners elimination]] [[Professional wrestling match types#Cages|cage match]] to win the [[NWA New York Tag Team Championship]] at [[NWA New York]]'s ''Continuing the Tradition 2010'' show.
**The [[Great Canadian Wrestling#GCW Tag Team Championship|GCW Tag Team Championship]] was declared vacant on June 26, when a [[Professional wrestling#Draw|time-limit draw]] occured between the champions, The Entourage (Joey Kings and Ethan Page) and The Heartbreakers (Joey Valentine and Mike Hart).
*On June 29:
**It was reported that [[CM Punk]] had undergone surgery on his arm the previous week.
**[[Dixie Carter-Salinas|Dixie Carter]] announced that [[Velvet Sky]] had signed a new long-term contract with TNA.
*On June 30:
**[[Ricky Steamboat]] was hospitalised. While initially believed to be a [[Cerebral aneurysm|brain aneurysm]], it was later reported that a [[capillary]] burst had caused [[Cerebral hemorrhage|bleeding on Steamboat's brain]].
**It was reported that [[Ed Ferrara]] had left the TNA [[Glossary of professional wrestling terms#Book|booking team]].
*On July 3, Dixie Carter announced that [[Nick Aldis|Magnus]] and [[Doug Williams (wrestler)|Douglas Williams]] had signed new long-term contracts with TNA.

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== Need Help ==

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*'''[[New Breed (ECW)]]''', '''[[Professional wrestling in New Zealand]]''', and '''[[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]]''' are current [[WP:GAN|Good article nominee]]s.
*[[WP:XFD|Deletion discussions]]:
**[[WP:AFD|Articles for deletion]]:
***'''Current:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blue Collar Wrestling Alliance|Blue Collar Wrestling Alliance]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noah Lott|Noah Lott]].
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anna Minoushka|Anna Minoushka]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HSW Women's Championship|HSW Women's Championship]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Main eVent Pro Wrestling|Main eVent Pro Wrestling]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mistress Belmont|Mistress Belmont]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NCW Femmes Fatales|NCW Femmes Fatales]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PJ Tyler|PJ Tyler]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roxie Cotton|Roxie Cotton]], and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sabrina Kyle|Sabrina Kyle]].
***'''Kept:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Nexus (Professional wrestling)|The Nexus (Professional wrestling)]]

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*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of July 18, we are at '''7.29%''', with '''359''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
*Based on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list|members list]], there are currently '''249''' members participating in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling|WikiProject Professional wrestling]].
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*July:
**18 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[WWE Money in the Bank|Money in the Bank]]'''
**18 - [[Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre]] (CMLL) presents '''''[[Infierno en el Ring (2010)|Infierno en el Ring]]'''''

*August:
**6 - [[Asistencia Asesoría y Administración]] (AAA) presents '''''[[Verano de Escandalo (2010)|Verano de Escandalo]]'''''
**8 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Hard Justice (2010)|Hard Justice]]'''
**15 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[SummerSlam (2010)|SummerSlam]]'''
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*[[Scott Hall]] was hospitalised due to [[pneumonia]] on July 8.
*On July 9:
**It was reported that [[Rocky Romero]] had left [[Asistencia Asesoría y Administración]] following the July 4 television taping.
**It was reported that [[Chessman (wrestler)|Chessman]] suffered a fractured ankle.
*On July 10 [[Consequences Creed|Austin Creed]] won the [[ECWA Super 8 Tournament#2010|2010]] [[ECWA Super 8 Tournament]] by defeating [[Tommaso Ciampa]] in the final.
*On July 11:
**[[Masato Yoshino]] defeated [[Masato Onodera|YAMATO]] to win the [[Dragon Gate Open the Dream Gate Championship]] for the first time.
**At TNA's [[Victory Road (2010)|Victory Road]] [[pay-per-view]]:
***[[The Motor City Machine Guns]] ([[Alex Shelley]] and [[Chris Sabin]]) defeated [[Beer Money, Inc.]] ([[Robert Roode]] and [[James Storm]]) to win the vacant [[TNA World Tag Team Championship]].
***[[Angelina Love]] won the [[TNA Women's Knockout Championship]] by defeating [[Madison Rayne]].
*[[Tommy Dreamer]] tore his [[medial collateral ligament]] at the ''[[TNA Impact!|Impact!]]'' tapings on July 12.
*On July 14, it was reported that [[Aaron Stevens]] had signed a [[Farm team#Professional wrestling|developmental]] contract with [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE).
*On July 15 [[Brandon Silvestry|Kaval]] and [[Joe Hennig|Michael McGillicutty]] defeated [[Incognito (wrestler)|Hunico]] and [[Orlando Colón|Epico]] to win the [[FCW Florida Tag Team Championship]].
*[[Mr. Águila]] and [[Héctor Garza]] defeated [[La Sombra (wrestler)|La Sombra]] and [[Volador Jr.]] to win the [[CMLL World Tag Team Championship]] on July 16.

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== Help Me Fix Armageddon 1999 ==

I think [[WWE Armageddon|Armageddon]] 1999 was vandalized since it reads it took place in Singapore. I would change it myself but have no clue where Armageddon 1999 was. Can you please go to the article and change it?--[[User:Nascarking|Nascarking]] ([[User talk:Nascarking|talk]]) 04:40, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2010 July newsletter ==

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We are half-way through our penultimate round, and nothing is yet certain. Pool A, currently led by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sasata}} has ended up the more competitive, with three contestants ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sasata}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sturmvogel_66}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|TonyTheTiger}}) scoring over 500 points already. Pool B is led by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Casliber}}, who has also scored well over 500. The top two from each pool, as well as the next four highest scorers regardless of pool, will make it through to our final eight. As ever, anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]], and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the [[WT:CUP|WikiCup talk page]].

Planning has begun for the 2011 WikiCup, with open discussions concerning [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup#Proposed change (for next year, of course)|scoring]] and [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiCup#Flags_for_2011|flags]] for next year's competition. Contributions to those discussions would be appreciated, especially concerning the flags, as next year's signups cannot begin until the flag issue has been resolved. Signups will hopefully open at some point in this round, with discussion about possible changing in the scoring/process opening some time afterwards. 

Earlier this round, we said goodbye to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Hunter Kahn}}, who has bowed out to spend more time on the book he is authoring with his wife. We wish him all the best. In other news, the start of this round also saw some WikiCup awards sent out by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Suomi Finland 2009}}. We appreciate his enthusiasm, and contestants are of course welcome to award each other prizes as they see fit, but rest assured that we will be sending out "official" awards at the end of the competition. <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]], [[User:Fox|Fox]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 22:51, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
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*'''[[New Breed (ECW)]]''' and '''[[Professional wrestling in New Zealand]]''' are current [[WP:GAN|Good article nominee]]s.
*'''[[Jack Swagger]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Jack Swagger/1|(review page)]]}} is currently undergoing a [[WP:GAR|Good article reassessment]].
*The following articles appeared on the [[main page]] as part of the [[WP:DYK|Did You Know?]] section:
**July 20: '''[[WWE Over the Limit]]'''
*'''[[WrestleMania]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Peer review/WrestleMania/archive1|(review page)]]}} is currently undergoing a [[WP:PR|peer review]].
*[[WP:XFD|Deletion discussions]]:
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***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Ryker|Andrew Ryker]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blue Collar Wrestling Alliance|Blue Collar Wrestling Alliance]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IPW New Zealand Heavyweight Championship (2nd nomination)|IPW New Zealand Heavyweight Championship (2nd nomination)]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noah Lott|Noah Lott]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nova Cain|Nova Cain]], and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Wild Sheik|The Wild Sheik]].
*[[WP:RM|Requested moves]]
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*6 - [[Asistencia Asesoría y Administración]] (AAA) presents '''''[[Verano de Escandalo (2010)|Verano de Escandalo]]'''''
*8 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Hardcore Justice (2010)|Hardcore Justice]]'''
*15 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[SummerSlam (2010)|SummerSlam]]'''

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*On July 18 at [[World Wrestling Entertainment]]'s [[WWE Money in the Bank|Money in the Bank]] [[pay-per-view]]:
**[[Mike Mizanin|The Miz]] won the [[WWE Raw|Raw]] [[Money in the Bank ladder match]].
**[[Kane (wrestler)|Kane]] won the [[WWE SmackDown|SmackDown]] Money in the Bank ladder match.
**Kane won the [[World Heavyweight Championship (WWE)|World Heavyweight Championship]] by cashing in his Money in the Bank contract and defeating [[Rey Mysterio, Jr.|Rey Mysterio]].
*On July 19, [[Fergal Devitt|Prince Devitt]] and [[Ryusuke Taguchi]] defeated [[Koji Kanemoto]] and [[El Samurai]] to win the [[IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship]] for the second time as a team.
*On July 21:
**It was reported that [[Ryan O'Reilly (wrestler)|Ryan O'Reilly]] had signed a developmental contract with WWE.
**[[Dragon Gate USA]] announced that [[Dragon Kid]] had been injured.
*On July 22:
**[[Platinum Championship Wrestling]] announced that [[Consequences Creed|Austin Creed]] had signed a developmental contract with WWE.
**It was reported that [[Beef Wellington (wrestler)|Beef Wellington]] had signed a developmental contract with WWE.
*On July 23:
**[[Joe Lider]] won Desastre Total Ultraviolento's main championship by winning a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic non-elimination matches|five-way match]] against the defending champion [[Aeroboy]], and [[Fly Star]], [[Kaientai (wrestler)|Kaientai]], [[Murder Angel]], and [[Violento Jack]].
**[[Blue Demon, Jr.]] defeated [[Oliver John]] to win the PWR Heavyweight Championship.
*On July 24, [[Tasha Simone]] won the [[NWA World Women's Championship]] by defeating [[MsChif]].
*On July 27, [[Ayako Hamada|Hamada]] and [[Shantelle Malawski|Taylor Wilde]] defeated [[Lacey Von Erich]] and [[Velvet Sky]] to win the [[TNA Knockout Tag Team Championship]]. The match will air on the August 5 episode of ''[[TNA Impact!|Impact!]]''.
*On July 28:
**[[Nick Nemeth|Dolph Ziggler]] won the [[WWE Intercontinental Championship]] at the ''[[WWE SmackDown|SmackDown]]'' tapings, by defeating [[Kofi Kingston]]. The match will air on the August 6 episode of ''SmackDown''.
**It was reported that [[Brian Button]] (Kris Logan/Brian Cage) had signed a [[Farm team#Professional wrestling|developmental]] contract with [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE).
*On July 29, [[Tigers Mask]] defeated [[Nobuhiko Oshima|CIMA]] to retain the [[Dragon Gate Open the Brave Gate Championship]], and win CIMA's [[Osaka Pro Wrestling Championship]].
*[[Scott Lost]] retired following his final match at [[Pro Wrestling Guerrilla]]'s seventh anniversary show on July 30.
*On July 31 [[Shelton Benjamin]] defeated [[Ray González]] at the [[World Wrestling Council]]'s ''La Revolución'' show to win the [[WWC Universal Heavyweight Championship]]
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**August 1: '''[[WWE Elimination Chamber]]'''
*'''[[WrestleMania (1985)]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Peer review/WrestleMania (1985)/archive1|(review page)]]}} is currently undergoing a [[WP:PR|peer review]].
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***'''Kept:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IPW New Zealand Heavyweight Championship (3rd nomination)|IPW New Zealand Heavyweight Championship (3rd nomination)]]

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*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of August 15, we are at '''7.15%''', with '''353''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
*Based on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list|members list]], there are currently '''247''' members participating in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling|WikiProject Professional wrestling]].
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*August:
**15 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[SummerSlam (2010)|SummerSlam]]'''

*September:
**5 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[No Surrender (2010)|No Surrender]]'''
**11 - [[Ring of Honor]] (ROH) presents '''[[Glory By Honor IX]]'''
**19 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[Night of Champions (2010)|Night of Champions]]'''
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*On August 4 it was reported that [[Gurjit Singh|Tiger Ali Singh]] had torn his [[Achilles tendon]] during training. He is expected to be inactive for at least six months.
*On August 5 it was reported that [[Rob Strauss|Rob Eckos]] had signed a contract with TNA.
*On August 7, [[Nick Gage]] defeated [[Jon Moxley]] to win the [[CZW World Heavyweight Championship]].
*On August 8:
**It was reported that current [[ROH World Championship|ROH World Champion]] [[Tyler Black]] had signed a [[Farm team#Professional wrestling|developmental]] contract with WWE, and is expected to debut in September.
**[[Mr. Wrestling II]] was hospitalised due to a build-up of fluid in his lungs.
*At the ''[[TNA Impact!|Impact]]!'' tapings on August 9, [[Angelina Love]] defeated [[Madison Rayne]] to win the [[TNA Women's Knockout Championship]]. The match will air on the August 12 episode.
*On August 10, at the ''Impact!'' tapings, [[Rob Van Dam]] vacated the [[TNA World Heavyweight Championship]]. As a result, [[Eric Bischoff]] announced an eight-man tournament to determine the new champion, which will culminate at [[Bound for Glory (2010)|Bound for Glory]]. The segment will air on August 19.
*On August 12, [[Johnny Curtis]] and [[Derrick Bateman]] won the [[FCW Florida Tag Team Championship]] in a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic non-elimination matches|three-way match]] against the defending champions, ''Los Aviadores'' ([[Orlando Colon|Epico]] and [[Incognito (wrestler)|Hunico]]) and the team of [[Donny Marlow]] and [[Brodus Clay]].
*[[Lance Cade]] died from apparent heart failure on August 13.
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*'''[[Elimination Chamber]]''', '''[[Layla El]]''' and '''[[Linda McMahon]]''' are current [[WP:GAN|Good article nominee]]s.
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**August 17: '''[[Bloodymania]]'''
*'''[[WrestleMania (1985)]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Peer review/WrestleMania (1985)/archive1|(review page)]]}} is currently undergoing a [[WP:PR|peer review]].
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***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R. D. Reynolds|R. D. Reynolds]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tennessee Xtreme Wrestling|Tennessee Xtreme Wrestling]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WrestleBunny|WrestleBunny]], and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zane Morris (2nd nomination)|Zane Morris (2nd nomination)]].
***'''Kept:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WWE Bragging Rights (2010)|WWE Bragging Rights (2010)]]
***'''Redirected:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WWE TLC: Tables, Ladders, & Chairs (2010)|WWE TLC: Tables, Ladders, & Chairs (2010)]]

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*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of August 29, we are at '''7.07%''', with '''349''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
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*3 - [[Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre]] (CMLL) presents '''''[[CMLL 77th Anniversary Show]]'''''
*5 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[No Surrender (2010)|No Surrender]]'''
*11 - [[Ring of Honor]] (ROH) presents '''[[Glory By Honor IX]]'''
*19 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[Night of Champions (2010)|Night of Champions]]'''
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*At [[SummerSlam (2010)|SummerSlam]] on August 15:
**[[Melina Perez|Melina]] defeated [[Alicia Fox]] to win the [[WWE Divas Championship]] for the second time.
**[[Bryan Danielson]] returned to WWE as Daniel Bryan.
*On August 18:
**[[Ryan Reeves|Skip Sheffield]] suffered a [[compound fracture]] in his left ankle at a [[house show]]. He is expected to undergo surgery and to rehabilitating the injury for approximately four to six months.
**It was reported that [[Becky Bayless]] had signed a contract with TNA.
*On August 19:
**[[Ted Allen (wrestler)|Ted Allen]] died at the age of 54.
*[[Skandor Akbar]] died at the age of 75.
**[[Homicide (wrestler)|Homicide]], [[Betsy Ruth|Rosie Lottalove]], and [[Travis Tomko|Tomko]] were released from their contracts with TNA.
*On August 20 it was announced that [[Pat Brink]] had signed a [[Farm team#Professional wrestling|developmental]] contract with WWE.
*On August 22:
**[[Jake Roberts]] announced his retirement.
**[[Colin Delaney]] and [[Jimmy Olsen (wrestler)|Jimmy Olsen]] defeated The American Wolves ([[Davey Richards]] and [[Eddie Edwards (wrestler)|Eddie Edwards]]) to win the 2CW Tag Team Championship.
**[[Koji Kanemoto]] and [[Tiger Mask IV]] won the [[GHC Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship]] by defeating [[Ricky Marvin]] and [[Taiji Ishimori]].
*On August 23, [[Ring of Honor]] announced that they had signed [[Adam Cole]] and [[Mike Bennett (wrestler)|Mike Bennett]] to contracts. They also announced that the [[Briscoe Brothers]] (Jay and Mark) had signed contract extensions.
*On August 27:
**[[Anton Geesink]] died in [[The Netherlands]] at the age of 76.
**[[Luna Vachon]] was found dead in [[Florida]] at the age of 48. Her cause of death is yet to be determined.
**[[Tony Osborne|Tony Borne]] died at the age of 84. He had been ill since requiring an [[artificial pacemaker]] in early August.
**WWE confirmed the release of [[Serena Deeb|Serena]] from her contract.

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== WikiCup 2010 August newsletter ==

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We have our final eight! The best of luck to those who remain. A bumper newsletter this week as we start our home straight.

*Pool A's winner was {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sturmvogel_66}}. Awarded the top score overall this round, Sturmvogel_66 writes primarily on [[military history]], favouring [[Naval warfare]].
*Pool B's winner was {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Casliber}}. Awarded the top score for featured articles this round, Casliber writes primarily on natural sciences, especially [[botany]] and [[ornithology]].
*Pool A's close second was {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sasata}}. Awarded the top score for featured pictures this round, Sasata writes primarily on natural sciences, favouring [[mycology]].
*Pool B's close second was {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|ThinkBlue}}. Awarded the top score for good articles and topics this round, ThinkBlue primarily writes content related to television and film, including ''[[30 Rock]]''.
*The first wildcard was {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|TonyTheTiger}}. Awarded the top score for did you knows and valued pictures this round, TonyTheTiger writes on a number of topics, including [[baseball]], [[American football]] and [[Chicago]].
*The second wildcard was {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|White Shadows}}. Someone who has helped the Cup behind the scenes all year, White Shadows said "I'm still in shock that I made it this far" and writes primarily on [[Naval warfare]], especially [[U-boat]]s.
*The third wildcard was {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Staxringold}}. Awarded the top score for featured lists and topics this round, Staxringold primarily writes on sport and television, including [[baseball]] and ''[[30 Rock]]''.
*The fourth wildcard was {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|William S. Saturn}}. Entering the final eight only on the final day of the round, William S. Saturn writes on a number of topics, mostly related to [[Texas]].

We say goodbye to the six who fell at the final hurdle. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Geschichte}} only just missed out on a place in the final eight. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Resolute}} was not far behind. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Candlewicke}} was awarded top points for in the news this round. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Gary King}} contributed a variety of did you know articles. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Suomi Finland 2009}} said "I'm surprised to have survived so far into the competition", but was extactic to see Finland in the semi-finals. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Arsenikk}} did not score this round, but has scored highly in previous rounds. We also say goodbye to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Ian Rose}}, who withdrew earlier this month after spending six weeks overseas. Anyone interested in this round's results can see them [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010|here]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Full/Round 4|here]]. Thank you to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Stone}} for these.

[[Wikipedia:WikiCup/2011 signups|Signups for next year's competition are now open]]. Planning is ongoing, with a key discussion about [[Wikipedia_talk:CUP#Judges_for_next_year|judges for next year]] open. Discussion about how next year's scoring will work is ongoing, and thoughts are more than welcome at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring]]. Also, TonyTheTiger is compiling some information and statistics on the finalists [[User:TonyTheTiger/sandbox/cup|here]]- the final eight are encouraged to add themselves to the list.

Our final eight will play it out for two months, after which we will know 2010's WikiCup winner, and a variety of prizes will be awarded. As ever, anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]], and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the [[WT:CUP|WikiCup talk page]].<small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]], [[User:Fox|Fox]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 23:16, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
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*'''[[Gail Kim]]''' and '''[[Rebecca Knox]]''' are a current [[WP:GAN|Good article nominee]]s.
*'''[[Elimination Chamber]]''' {{small|[[Talk:Elimination Chamber/GA1|(review page)]]}} and '''[[Hell in a Cell]]''' {{small|[[Talk:Hell in a Cell|(review page)]]}} were not promoted to [[WP:GA|Good article]] status.
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**September 4: '''[[King of the Ring (2000)]]'''
**September 6: '''[[King of the Ring (1997)]]'''
**September 8: '''[[King of the Ring (2008)]]'''
*'''[[Hell in a Cell]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Peer review/Hell in a Cell/archive1|(review page)]]}} and '''[[List of WWE pay-per-view events]]''' {{small|[[Wikipedia:Peer review/List of WWE pay-per-view events/archive2|(review page)]]}} are currently undergoing [[WP:PR|peer reviews]].
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*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of Sepember 12, we are at '''6.98%''', with '''348''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
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*19 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[Night of Champions (2010)|Night of Champions]]'''

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*On August 29:
**[[Ring announcer]] and [[St. Louis Wrestling Hall of Fame]]r [[Mickey Garagiola]] died.
**[[Ben Satterly|PAC]] won the vacant [[Dragon Gate Open the Brave Gate Championship]] by defeating [[Susumu Mochizuki|Susumu Yokosuka]]. He is the first English and European wrestler to hold the championship, and only the second from outside Japan.
**[[Frightmare (wrestler)|Frightmare]] won the [[Young Lion Cup]] by defeating [[Lince Dorado]] in the finals of the eighth Young Lions Cup tournament.
*On August 30:
**[[J. C. Bailey]] died at the age of 27.
**[[Beverly Lehmer]] died in [[Estes Park, Colorado]] at the age of 77.
*[[Brandon Silvestry|Kaval]] won the [[WWE NXT#Season 2|second season]] of ''[[WWE NXT|NXT]]'' on August 31.
*On September 1:
**It was reported that [[Adam Birch|Joey Mercury]] had undergone surgery on a torn [[Pectoralis major muscle|pectoral muscle]] during the previous weekend. He is expected to miss approximately six months.
**It was reported that [[Alex Koslov]] had signed a [[Farm team#Professional wrestling|developmental]] contract with WWE, and is expected to debut in October.
*On September 2 [[Ring of Honor]] (ROH) announced that [[Chris Hero]] had signed a contract extension and [[Claudio Castagnoli]] had signed a new contract.
*On September 5:
**[[Joey Ryan (wrestler)|Joey Ryan]] won [[Pro Wrestling Guerrilla]]'s [[Battle of Los Angeles (professional wrestling)#2010 Battle of Los Angeles|2010]] [[Battle of Los Angeles (professional wrestling)|Battle of Los Angeles]] by defeating [[Chris Hero]] in the final.
**[[Kurt Angle]] dislocated a [[rib]] at [[No Surrender (2010)|No Surrender]], but is not expected to miss any time.
*At the ''[[TNA Impact!|Impact!]]'' tapings on September 6, [[Jay Lethal]] defeated [[Doug Williams (wrestler)|Douglas Williams]] to win the [[TNA X Division Championship]]. This match will air on September 16.
*On September 7:
**[[Dragon Gate USA]] announced a deal with GoFightLive to broadcast live internet [[pay-per-view]]s.
**[[Mascara Dorada]] defeated [[Negro Casas]] to win the [[CMLL World Welterweight Championship]].
*On September 8:
**ROH announced that [[Eddie Edwards (wrestler)|Eddie Edwards]] had signed a new contract.
**ROH announced that ''[[Ring of Honor Wrestling]]'' will start airing in [[France]] on [[MCM (TV channel)|MCM]] in mid-September.
**ROH and [[Ohio Valley Wrestling]] announced a working relationship between the two companies, which involves [[Jim Cornette]] becoming the [[Glossary of professional wrestling terms#Book|matchmaker]] for OVW.
*At ROH's [[Glory By Honor IX]] [[pay-per-view]] on September 11:
**[[Roderick Strong]] won the [[ROH World Championship]] for the first time by defeating [[Tyler Black]].
**[[Jim Cornette]] announced that [[Davey Richards]] had re-signed with ROH, and would be competing for the company in 2011.
**[[Homicide (wrestler)|Homicide]] returned to ROH following the [[Card (sports)#Main event|main event]].

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**September 14: '''[[King of the Ring (2006)]]'''
**September 16: '''[[King of the Ring (1996)]]'''
**September 18: '''[[Unforgiven (1999)]]'''
**September 24: '''[[Unforgiven (2000)]]'''
*[[WP:XFD|Deletion discussions]]:
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***'''Current:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canadian Unified Junior Heavyweight Championship|Canadian Unified Junior Heavyweight Championship]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IWA East Coast Heavyweight Championship|IWA East Coast Heavyweight Championship]], and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TAJJ Championship Wrestling|TAJJ Championship Wrestling]].
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IWA East Coast|IWA East Coast]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Megan Brooks|Megan Brooks]].
***'''Kept:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Legends of Wrestling characters|List of Legends of Wrestling characters]] {{small|(no consensus)}} and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards|List of Wrestling Observer Newsletter awards]] {{small|(no consensus)}}.
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*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of September 26, we are at '''6.96%''', with '''348''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
*Based on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list|members list]], there are currently '''247''' members participating in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling|WikiProject Professional wrestling]].
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*1 - [[Asistencia Asesoría y Administración]] (AAA) presents '''''[[Héroes Inmortales IV]]'''''
*3 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[Hell in a Cell (2010)|Hell in a Cell]]'''
*10 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Bound for Glory (2010)|Bound for Glory]]'''
*24 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[Bragging Rights (2010)|Bragging Rights]]'''

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*[[La Fiera]] died on September 12 at the age of 49, after being stabbed multiple times.
*On September 13:
**[[Ring of Honor]] (ROH) announced that [[Kenny Layne|Kenny King]] had signed a contract extension.
**ROH announced that [[Kyle O'Reilly]] had signed a contract with the promotion.
**[[Pro Wrestling Guerrilla]] (PWG) announced that [[Davey Richards]] had vacated the [[PWG World Championship]] due to other commitments. A new champion will be determined in a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic non-elimination matches|four-way match]] between [[Chris Hero]], [[Claudio Castagnoli]], [[Joey Ryan (wrestler)|Joey Ryan]], and [[Brandon Gatson]].
*On September 15, Aloisia (Lindsey Hayward) confirmed her release from [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE).
*At the [[Night of Champions (2010)|Night of Champions]] pay-per-view on September 19:
**[[Bryan Danielson|Daniel Bryan]] won the [[WWE United States Championship]] by defeating The Miz.
**[[Michelle McCool]] defeated [[Melina Perez]] to unify the [[WWE Divas Championship|WWE Divas]] and [[WWE Women's Championship]]s into the [[WWE Unified Divas Championship]].
**[[Cody Rhodes]] and [[Drew McIntyre]] won a [[Professional wrestling tag team match types#Four corners tag team elimination match|Tag Team Turmoil match]] for the [[WWE Tag Team Championship]].
**[[Randy Orton]] won a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic elimination matches|six-pack elimination match]] for the [[WWE Championship]].
*On September 21, [[Dixie Carter-Salinas|Dixie Carter]] announced that [[Mr. Kennedy|Mr. Anderson]] had signed a new contract with TNA.
*On September 23:
**[[Amazing Red]] won the [[TNA X Division Championship]] at a [[house show]] by defeating [[Jay Lethal]].
**[[Jason Reso|Christian]] underwent surgery on a torn [[Pectoralis major muscle|pectoral muscle]], and is expected to be inactive for approximately six months.
*[[Jorge González (wrestler)|Jorge González]] died on September 24 at the age of 44.
*Jay Lethal regained the TNA X Division Championship from Amazing Red at a house show on September 25.

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== WikiCup 2010 September newsletter ==

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We are half-way through our final round, entering the home straight. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|TonyTheTiger}} leads at the time of writing with 1180 points, immediately followed by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sasata}} with 1175 points. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sturmvogel_66}} closely follows in third place with 1100 points. For those who are interested, data about the finalists has been compiled at [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/finalists]], while a list of content submitted by all WikiCup contestants prior to this round has been compiled at [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions]]. As ever, anything contestants worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]], and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the [[WT:CUP|WikiCup talk page]].

Despite controversy, the WikiCup remains open. [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/2011 signups|Signups for next year's competition are more than welcome]], and suggestions for how next year's competition will work are appreciated at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring]]. More general comments and discussions should be directed at the WikiCup talk page. One month remains in the 2010 WikiCup, after which we will know our champion. Good luck everyone! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]], [[User:Fox|Fox]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 23:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)</div>
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*The following article appeared on the [[main page]] as part of the [[WP:DYK|Did You Know?]] section:
**September 28: '''[[Unforgiven (2001)]]'''
*[[WP:XFD|Deletion discussions]]:
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***'''Current:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Clark (journalist)|Ryan Clark (journalist)]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Survivor Series (2010)|Survivor Series (2010)]].
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canadian Unified Junior Heavyweight Championship|Canadian Unified Junior Heavyweight Championship]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IWA East Coast Heavyweight Championship|IWA East Coast Heavyweight Championship]].
***'''Kept:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TAJJ Championship Wrestling|TAJJ Championship Wrestling]] {{small|(no consensus)}}
*[[WP:RM|Requested moves]]
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*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of October 10, we are at '''6.98%''', with '''350''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
*Based on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Members list|members list]], there are currently '''247''' members participating in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling|WikiProject Professional wrestling]].
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*10 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Bound for Glory (2010)|Bound for Glory]]'''
*24 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[Bragging Rights (2010)|Bragging Rights]]'''
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*On September 28, [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) announced that ''[[WWE NXT]]'' would be moving to their official website beginning with the October 5 episode.
*[[Tyler Black]] debuted for [[Florida Championship Wrestling]] on September 30, using the name Seth Rollins.
*[[Pimpinela Escarlata]] and [[Faby Apache]] won the [[AAA World Mixed Tag Team Championship]] on October 1 by defeating [[Alex Koslov]] and [[Christian Von Eerie]].
*On October 3:
**It was announced that [[Jersey All Pro Wrestling]] [[Glossary of professional wrestling terms#Promoter|promoter]] [[Frank Iadevia]] had reached an agreement to run [[New Japan Pro Wrestling]] shows in the [[United States]] beginning in 2011.
**[[El Felino]] defeated [[Gallo (wrestler)|Gallo]] to win the [[CMLL Occidente Light Heavyweight Championship]] for the first time.
*On October 5 [[La Mascara (wrestler)|La Mascara]] defeated [[Volador Jr.]] to win the [[Mexican National Light Heavyweight Championship]]
*On October 7:
**[[Mickie James]] returned to [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) on ''[[TNA Impact!|Impact!]]''.
**It was reported that [[Bruce Prichard]] had joined TNA as a [[Glossary of professional wrestling terms#Agent|producer]].
**It was reported that [[Austin Aries]], [[Erick Stevens]], [[Necro Butcher]] and the Dark City Fight Club ([[Kory Chavis]] and [[Jon Davis (wrestler)|Jon Davis]]) are no longer under contract with [[Ring of Honor]].
*[[Claudio Castagnoli]] won the vacant [[PWG World Championship]] on October 9 by defeating [[Chris Hero]], [[Joey Ryan (wrestler)|Joey Ryan]] and [[Brandon Gatson]] in a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic non-elimination matches|four-way match]].

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*[[WP:XFD|Deletion discussions]]:
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***'''Current:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Sayenga|Donald Sayenga]]
***'''Deleted:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Clark (journalist)|Ryan Clark (journalist)]] and [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Westside Xtreme wrestling|Westside Xtreme wrestling]].
***'''Kept:''' [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Survivor Series (2010)|Survivor Series (2010)]] {{small|(no consensus)}}

'''''—Project'''''
*As part of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Resolutions 2010|the project's New Year's Resolutions]], there is an ongoing effort to decrease the number of stubs to 5%. As of October 24, we are at '''6.91%''', with '''347''' articles currently in [[:Category:Stub-Class Professional wrestling articles]]. It still would be greatly appreciated if members would expand, source and improve stub articles, and a list of well-known wrestlers and tag teams that should be fairly easy to improve is included on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Stubs|stub article subpage]].
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**24 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[Bragging Rights (2010)|Bragging Rights]]'''
**29 - [[Dragon Gate USA]] presents '''[[Bushido: Code of the Warrior]]'''

*November:
**7 - [[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling]] (TNA) presents '''[[Turning Point (2010)|Turning Point]]'''
**21 - [[World Wrestling Entertainment]] (WWE) presents '''[[Survivor Series (2010)|Survivor Series]]'''

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*At TNA's [[Bound for Glory (2010)|Bound for Glory]] event on October 10:
**[[Jeff Hardy]] won the [[TNA World Heavyweight Championship]] for the first time, by winning a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic non-elimination matches|three-way match]] against [[Mr. Kennedy|Mr. Anderson]] and [[Kurt Angle]].
**Kurt Angle stated that he had re-dislocated his rib during the match.
**[[Lisa Marie Varon|Tara]] won the [[TNA Women's Knockout Championship]] by defeating defending champion [[Angelina Love]], [[Velvet Sky]], and [[Madison Rayne]] in a [[Professional wrestling match types#Basic non-elimination matches|four-corners match]].
*On October 11:
**[[Satoshi Kojima]] won the [[IWGP Heavyweight Championship]] by defeating [[Togi Makabe]].
**[[Evan Bourne]] was written off television due to a shoulder injury. He underwent surgery on October 12 and is expected to be inactive for approximately four months.
*On October 12:
**[[Mr. Kennedy|Mr. Anderson]] suffered a [[concussion]] at the ''[[TNA Impact!|Impact!]]'' television tapings.
**[[Kevin Nash]]'s contract with TNA expired.
*On October 13:
**It was reported that WWE had released eliminated ''[[WWE NXT|NXT]]'' competitor [[Brittany Beede|Jamie]].
**It was reported that [[Freddie Prinze, Jr.]] is once again working for WWE as a [[Glossary of professional wrestling terms#Agent|producer]].
*On October 15:
**[[Matt Hardy]] was released from his contract with WWE.
**It was reported that [[Katarina Waters]] had signed a contract with TNA.
*On October 19, [[Ring of Honor]] announced that [[Christopher Daniels]] had officially signed a contract with the company.
*[[Mike E. Milano]], the owner and [[Glossary of professional wrestling terms#Promoter|promoter]] of [[Defiant Pro Wrestling]] died on October 20 following a [[stroke]] at the age of 46.

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== WikiCup 2010 October newsletter ==

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The 2010 WikiCup is over! It has been a long journey, but what has been achieved is impressive: combined, participants have produced over seventy featured articles, over five hundred good articles, over fifty featured lists, over one thousand one hundred "did you know" entries, in addition to various other pieces of recognised content. A full list (which has yet to be updated to reflect the scores in the final round) can be found [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Submissions|here]]. Perhaps more importantly, we have our winner! The 2010 WikiCup champion is {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sturmvogel_66}}, with an unbelievable 4220 points in the final round. Second place goes to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|TonyTheTiger}}, with 2260, and third to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Casliber}}, with 560. Congratulations to our other four finalists&nbsp;– {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|White Shadows}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|William S. Saturn}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Staxringold}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|ThinkBlue}}. Also, congratulations to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sasata}}, who withdrew from the competition with an impressive 2685 points earlier in this round.

Prizes will also be going to those who claimed the most points for different types of content in a single round. It was decided that the prizes would be awarded for those with the highest in a round, rather than overall, so that the finalists did not have an unfair advantage. Winning the featured article prize is {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Casliber}}, for five featured articles in round 4. Winning the good article prize is {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sturmvogel_66}}, for eighty-one good articles in round 5. Winning the featured list prize is {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Staxringold}}, for six featured lists in round 1. Winning the picture and sound award is {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Jujutacular}}, for four featured pictures in round 3. Winning the topic award is {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Sturmvogel_66}}, for forty-seven articles in various good topics in round 5. Winning the "did you know" award is {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|TonyTheTiger}}, for over one hundred did you knows is round 5. Finally, winning the in the news award is {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant|Candlewicke}}, for nineteen articles in the news in round three.

The WikiCup has faced criticism in the last month&nbsp;– hopefully, we will take something positive from it and create a better contest for next year. Like Wikipedia itself, the Cup is a work in progress, and ideas for how it should work are more than welcome on the [[WT:CUP|WikiCup talk page]] and on the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring|scoring talk page]]. Also, people are more than welcome to sign up for next year's competition on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/2011 signups|the signup page]]. Well done and thank you to everyone involved&nbsp;– the Cup has been a pleasure to run, and we, as judges, have been proud to be a part of it. We hope that next year, however the Cup is working, and whoever is running it, it will be back, stronger and more popular than ever. Until then, goodbye and happy editing! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]], [[User:Fox|Fox]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 03:12, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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== [[WP:CUP|WikiCup 2011]] ==

Hello. You are being contacted because you have [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send|previously shown interest in the WikiCup]] but have not yet signed up for the 2011 WikiCup, which starts at midnight. It is not too late to sign up! The competition will remain open until at least January 31, and so it is not too late to enter. If you are interested, simply follow the instructions to add your username to the [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/2011 signups|signup page]], and a judge will contact you as soon as possible with an explanation of how to participate. The WikiCup is a friendly competition open to all Wikipedians, old and new, experienced and inexperienced, providing a fun and rewarding way to contribute quality content to Wikipedia. If you do not want to receive any further messages about the WikiCup, or you want to start receiving messages about the WikiCup, you may add or remove your name from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]]. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the [[WT:CUP|WikiCup talk page]] or contact the judges directly. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 06:52, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
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== Abortion Userbox ==

Hi TJ Spyke,

While I enjoyed your abortion userbox and implemented it on my page, I found the red-on-blue combination painful to behold, so I toyed around with the color scheme on my particular instance of the box. I have left your template untouched. Again, thanks! [[User:Arielkoiman|Arielkoiman]] ([[User talk:Arielkoiman|talk]]) 20:47, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

== Happy 10th ==

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<center><big>'''Happy 10th anniversary of Wikipedia!'''</big></center>
[[User:Bzuk|<span style="color:red;">Hey</span>]][[User talk:Bzuk|<span style="color:red;">'''''Bzuk'''''</span>]] ([[Special:Contributions/Bzuk|contribs]]) has bought you a whisky!  Sharing a whisky is a great way to bond with other editors after a day of hard work.  Spread the [[WP:LOVE|WikiLove]] by buying someone else a whisky, whether it be someone with whom you have collaborated or had disagreements.  Enjoy!  <br />
 
What goes around, comes around. Spread the good cheer and camaraderie by adding {{tlsu|User:HJ Mitchell/WikiScotch}} to their talk page with a friendly message. <small>[[User:Bzuk|Bzuk]] ([[User talk:Bzuk|talk]]) 14:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC) </small></div><!-- Template:WikiPint -->

We both live in Rochester.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/184.153.117.250|184.153.117.250]] ([[User talk:184.153.117.250|talk]]) 23:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== WikiCup 2011 January newsletter ==

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We are half way through round one of the WikiCup. Signups are now closed, and we have 129 listed competitors, 64 of whom will make it to round two. Congratulations to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|The Bushranger}}, who, at the time of writing, has a comfortable lead with 228 points, followed by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Hurricanehink}}, with 144 points. Four others have over 100 points. Congratulations also go to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Yellow Evan}}, who scored the first points in the competition, claiming for [[Talk:Hurricane King/GA1]], {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Miyagawa}}, who scored the first non-review points in the competition, claiming for [[Dognapping]], and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Jarry1250}} who was the first in the competition to use our new "multiplier" mechanic ([[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring#Double_points|explanation]]), claiming for [[Grigory Potemkin]], a subject covered on numerous Wikipedias. Thanks must also go to Jarry1250 for dealing with all bot work- without you, the competition wouldn't be happening!

A running total of claims can be seen [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2011/Running totals|here]]. However, numerous competitors are yet to score at all- please remember to submit content soon after it is promoted, so that the judges are able to review entries. The number of points that will be needed to reach round two is not clear- everyone needs to get their entries in now to guarantee their places! If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 22:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2011 February newsletter ==

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So begins round two of the WikiCup! We now have eight pools, each with eight random contestants. This round will continue until the end of April, when the top two of each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers of those remaining, will make it to round three. Congratulations to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|The Bushranger}} (first, with 487 points) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Hurricanehink}} (second, with 459), who stormed the first round. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Casliber}} finished third with 223. Twelve others finished with over 100 points- well done to all of you! The final standings in round one can be seen [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2011/Round 1|here]]. A mere 8 points were required to reach round two; competition will no doubt be much more fierce this round, so be ready for a challenge!  A special thanks goes, again, to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Jarry1250}} for dealing with all bot work. This year's bot, as well as running smoothly, is doing some very helpful things that last year's did not. Also, thanks to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Stone}} for some helpful behind-the-scenes updating and number crunching.

Some news for those who are interested- March will see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GAN backlog elimination drives/March 2011|a GAN backlog elimination drive]], which you are still free to join. Organised by WikiProject Good articles, the drive aims to minimise the GAN backlog and offers prizes to those who help out. Of course, you may well be able to claim WikiCup points for the articles you review as part of the drive. Also ongoing is the [[Wikipedia:Contribution Team/Backlogs|Great Backlog Drive]], looking to work on clearing ''all'' of the backlogs on Wikipedia; again, incentives are offered, and the spirit of friendly competition is alive, while helping the encyclopedia is the ultimate aim. Though unrelated to the WikiCup, these may well be of interest to some of you.

Just a reminder of the rules; if you have done significant work on content ''this year'' and it is promoted in this round, you may claim for it. Also, anything that was promoted after the end of round one but before the beginning of round two may be claimed for in round two. Details of the rules can be found on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring|this page]]. For those interested in statistics, a running total of claims can be seen [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2011/Running totals|here]], and a very interesting table of that information (along with the highest scorers in each category) can be seen [http://toolserver.org/~jarry/wikicup/ here]. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 23:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
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== Service award level ==

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There has been a major revision of the the '''[[WP:SERVICE|Service Awards]]''': the edit requirements for the higher levels have been greatly reduced, to make them reasonably attainable.<br><br>Because of this, your Service Award level has been changed, and you are now eligible for a higher level. I have taken the liberty of updating your award on your user page.
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Actually, you went up ''two'' levels. Congratulations, and thank you for your many contributions to the Wikipedia! [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 16:22, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2011 March newsletter ==

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We are half way through round two of the WikiCup, which will end on 28 April. Of the 64 current contestants, 32 will make it through to the next round; the two highest in each pool, and the 16 next highest scorers. At the time of writing, our current overall leader is {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Hurricanehink}} with 231 points, who leads Pool H. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Piotrus}} (Pool G) also has over 200 points, while 9 others (three of whom are in Pool D) have over 100 points. Remember that certain content (specifically, articles/portals included in at least 20 Wikipedias as of 31 December 2010 or articles which are considered "[[Wikipedia:Vital articles|vital]]") is worth double points if promoted to good or featured status, or if it appears on the main page in the Did You Know column. There were some articles last round which were eligible for double points, but which were not claimed for. For more details, see [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring]].

A running total of claims can be seen [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2011/Running totals|here]]. However, numerous competitors are yet to score at all- please remember to submit content soon after it is promoted, so that the judges are able to review entries. The number of points that will be needed to reach round three is not clear- everyone needs to get their entries in now to guarantee their places! If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 01:10, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
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== ATHF userbox ==

May I have the formula for your ATHF userbox, the one that says, This user knows that Aqua Teen Hunger Force is #1 in the hood, G.? [[User:Juggalo Dan 420|Juggalo Dan 420]] ([[User talk:Juggalo Dan 420|talk]]) 05:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2011 April newsletter ==

Round 2 of the [[WP:CUP|2011 WikiCup]] is over, and the new round will begin on 1 May. Note that any points scored in the interim (that is, for content promoted or reviews completed on 29-30 April) can be claimed in the next round, but please do not start updating your submissions' pages until the next round has begun. Fewer than a quarter of our original contestants remain; 32 enter round 3, and, in two months' time, only 16 will progress to our penultimate round. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Casliber}}, who led Pool F, was our round champion, with 411 points, while 7 contestants scored between 200 and 300 points. At the other end of the scale, a score of 41 was high enough to reach round 3; more than five times the score required to reach round 2, and competition will no doubt become tighter now we're approaching the later rounds. Those progressing to round 3 were spread fairly evenly across the pools; 4 progressed from each of pools A, B, E and H, while 3 progressed from both pools C and F. Pools D and G were the most successful; each had 5 contestants advancing.

This round saw our first good topic points this year; congratulations to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Hurricanehink}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Nergaal}} who also led pool H and pool B respectively. However, there remain content types for which no points have yet been scored; [[WP:FS|featured sounds]], [[WP:FPO|featured portals]] and [[WP:FT|featured topics]]. In addition to prizes for leaderboard positions, the WikiCup awards other prizes; for instance, last year, a prize was awarded to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Candlewicke}} (who has been eliminated) for his work on [[WP:ITN|In The News]]. For this reason, working on more unusual content could be even more rewarding than usual!

Sorry this newsletter is going out a little earlier than expected- there is a busy weekend coming up! A running total of claims can be seen [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2011/Running totals|here]]. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 19:31, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2011 May newsletter ==

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We're half way through round 3 of the [[WP:CUP|2011 WikiCup]]. There are currently 32 remaining in the competition, but only 16 will progress to our penultimate round. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Casliber}}, of pool D, is our overall leader with nearly 200 points, while pools A, B and C are led by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Racepacket}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Hurricanehink}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Canada Hky}} respectively. The score required to reach the next round is 35, though this will no doubt go up significantly as the round progresses. We have a good number of high scorers, but also a considerable number who are yet to score. Please remember to submit content soon after it is promoted, so that the judges are able to review entries. Also, an important note concerning nominations at [[WP:FAC|featured article candidates]]: if you are nominating content for which you intend to claim WikiCup points, ''please'' make this clear in the nomination statement so that the FAC director and his delegates are aware of the fact.

A running total of claims can be seen [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2011/Running totals|here]]. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 23:37, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
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== Fair use rationale for File:Itadaki Street DS JPN.jpg ==

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Thanks for uploading or contributing to '''[[:File:Itadaki Street DS JPN.jpg]]'''. I notice the file page specifies that the file is being used under [[Wikipedia:Fair use|fair use]] but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to [[:File:Itadaki Street DS JPN.jpg|the file description page]] and edit it to include a [[Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline|fair use rationale]].

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/TJ Spyke|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. If the file is already gone, you can still make a [[Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion|request for undeletion]] and ask for a chance to fix the problem.<!-- Template:You can request undeletion --> If you have any questions please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Di-no fair use rationale-notice --> [[User:Sfan00 IMG|Sfan00 IMG]] ([[User talk:Sfan00 IMG|talk]]) 16:13, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
== Non-Free rationale for File:JJ & Jeff.jpg ==

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Thanks for uploading or contributing to '''[[:File:JJ & Jeff.jpg]]'''. I notice the file page specifies that the file is being used under [[WP:NFCC|Non-Free content criteria ]] but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia is acceptable. Please go to [[:File:JJ & Jeff.jpg|the file description page]] and edit it to include a [[Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline|Non-Free rationale]].

If you have uploaded other Non-Free media, consider checking that you have specified the Non-Free rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/TJ Spyke|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. If the file is already gone, you can still make a [[Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion|request for undeletion]] and ask for a chance to fix the problem.<!-- Template:You can request undeletion --> If you have any questions please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Di-no Non-Free rationale-notice --> [[User:Sfan00 IMG|Sfan00 IMG]] ([[User talk:Sfan00 IMG|talk]]) 19:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2011 June newsletter ==

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We are half way through 2011, and entering the penultimate round of this year's WikiCup; the semi-finals are upon us! Points scored in the interim (29/30 June) may be counted towards next round, but please do not update your submissions' pages until the next round has begun. 16 contestants remain, and all have shown dedication to the project to reach this far. Our round leader was {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Casliber}} who, among other things, successfully passed three articles through featured article candidates and claimed an impressive 29 articles at Did You Know, scoring 555 points. Casliber led pool D. Pool A was led by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Wizardman}}, claiming points for a featured article, a featured list and seven good article reviews, while pool C was led by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Eisfbnore}}, who claimed for two good articles, ten articles at Did You Know and four good article reviews. They scored 154 and 118 respectively. Pool B was by far our most competitive pool; six of the eight competitors made it through to round 4, with all of them scoring over 100 points. The pool was led by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Hurricanehink}}, who claimed for, among other things, three featured articles and five good articles. In addition to the four pool leaders, 12 others (the four second places, and the 8 next highest overall) make up our final 16. The lowest scorer who reached round 4 scored 76 points; a significant increase on the 41 needed to reach round 3. Eight of our semi-finalists scored at least twice as much as this.

No points were awarded this round for featured pictures, good topics or In the News, and no points have been awarded in the whole competition for featured topics, featured portals or featured sounds. Instead, the highest percentage of points has come from good articles. Featured articles, despite their high point cost, are low in number, and so, overall, share a comparable number of points with Did You Know, which are high in number but low in cost. A comparatively small but still considerable number of points come from featured lists and good article reviews, rounding out this round's overall scores.

We would again like to thank {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Jarry1250}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Stone}} for invaluable background work, as well as all of those helping to provide reviews for the articles listed on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Please do keep using it, and please do help by providing reviews for the articles listed there. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews generally at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup.

Two final notes: Firstly, please remember to state your participation in the WikiCup when nominating articles at FAC. Finally, some WikiCup-related statistics can be seen [http://toolserver.org/~jarry/wikicup/ here] and [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2011/Running totals|here]], for those interested, though it appears that neither are completely accurate at this time. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 23:41, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
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== Non-free rationale for File:Meowth Party.jpg ==

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Thanks for uploading or contributing to '''[[:File:Meowth Party.jpg]]'''. I notice the file page specifies that the file is being used under [[WP:NFCC|non-free content criteria]], but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia is acceptable. Please go to [[:File:Meowth Party.jpg|the file description page]], and edit it to include a [[Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline|non-free rationale]].

If you have uploaded other non-free media, consider checking that you have specified the non-free rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/TJ Spyke|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. If the file is already gone, you can still make a [[Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion|request for undeletion]] and ask for a chance to fix the problem.<!-- Template:You can request undeletion --> If you have any questions, please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Di-no fair use rationale-notice --> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 18:37, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

== A cheeseburger for you! ==

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== WikiCup 2011 July newsletter ==

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We are half way through the penultimate round of this year's WikiCup; there is less than a month to go before we have our final 8. Our pool leaders are {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Adabow}} (Pool A, 189 points) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|PresN}} (Pool B, 165 points). The number of points required to reach the next round is not clear at this time; there are some users who still do not have any recorded points. Please remember to update your submissions' pages promptly. In addition, congratulations to PresN, who scored the first featured topic points in the competition for his work on [[Thatgamecompany]] related articles. Most points this round generally have, so far, come from good articles, with only one featured article ([[White-bellied Sea Eagle]], from {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Casliber}}) and two featured lists ([[Hugo Award for Best Graphic Story]], from PresN and [[Grammy Award for Best Native American Music Album]], from {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Another Believer}}). Points for Did You Know and good article reviews round out the scoring. No points have been awarded for In the News, good topics or featured pictures this round, and no points for featured sounds or portals have been awarded in the entire competition. On an unrelated note, preparation will be beginning soon for next year's WikiCup- watch this space!

There is little else to be said beyond the usual. Please list anything you need reviewing on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]], so others following the WikiCup can help, and please do help if you can by providing reviews for the articles listed there. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews generally at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup- points are, of course, offered for reviews at GAC. Two final notes: Firstly, please remember to state your participation in the WikiCup when nominating articles at FAC. Finally, some WikiCup-related statistics can be seen [http://toolserver.org/~jarry/wikicup/ here] and [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2011/Running totals|here]]. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 11:45, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2011 July newsletter ==

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The finals are upon us; we're down to the last few. One of the eight remaining contestants will be this year's WikiCup champion! 150 was the score needed to progress to the final; just under double the 76 required to reach round 4, and more than triple the 41 required to reach round 3. Our eight finalists are:

*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Casliber}}, Pool A's winner. Casliber has the highest total score in the competition, with 1528, the bulk of which is made up of 8 featured articles. He has the highest number of total featured articles (8, 1 of which was eligible for double points) and total did you knows (72) of any finalist. Casliber writes mostly on biology, including ornithology, botany and mycology.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|PresN}}, Pool B's winner and the highest scorer this round. PresN is the only finalist who has scored featured topic points, and he has gathered an impressive 330, but most of his points come from his 4 featured articles, one of which scored double. PresN writes mostly on video games and the [[Hugo Awards]].
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Hurricanehink}}, Pool A's runner-up. Hurricanehink's points are mostly from his 30 good articles, more than any other finalist, and he is also the only finalist to score good topic points. Hurricanehink, as his name suggests, writes mostly on meteorology.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Wizardman}}, Pool B's runner-up. Wizardman has completed 86 good article reviews, more than any other finalist, but most of his points come from his 2 featured articles. Wizardman writes mostly on American sport, especially baseball.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Miyagawa}}, the "fastest loser" (Pool A). Miyagawa has written 3 featured lists, one of which was awarded double points, more than any other finalist, but he was awarded points mostly for his 68 did you knows. Miyagawa writes on a variety of topics, including dogs, military history and sport.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Resolute}}, the second "fastest loser" (Pool B). Most of Resolute's points come from his 9 good articles. He writes mostly on Canadian topics, including ice hockey.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Yellow Evan}}, who was joint third "fastest loser" (Pool A). Most of Evan's points come from his 10 good articles, and he writes mostly on meteorology.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Sp33dyphil}}, who was joint third "fastest loser" (Pool B). Most of Phil's points come from his 9 good articles, 4 of which (more than any other finalist) were eligible for double points. He writes mostly on aeronautics.

We say goodbye to our seven other semi-finalists, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Another Believer}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Piotrus}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Grandiose}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Stone}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Eisfbnore}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Canada Hky}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|MuZemike}}. Everyone still in the competition at this stage has done fantastically well, and contributed greatly to Wikipedia. We're on the home straight now, and we will know our winner in two months.

In other news, preparations for next year's competition have begun with a brainstorming thread. Please, feel free to '''[[Wikipedia_talk:WikiCup/Scoring#Thoughts_for_next_year.27s_scoring|drop by]]''' and share any thoughts you have about how the competition should work next year. Sign ups are not yet open, but will be opened in due course. Watch this space. Further, there has been [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiCup#Cup_reviews|a discussion]] about the rule whereby those in the WikiCup must delcare their participation when nominating articles at featured article candidates. This has resulted in a bot being created by new featured article delegate {{user|Ucucha}}. The bot will leave a message on FAC pages if the nominator is a participant in the WikiCup.

A reminder of the rules: any points scored after August 29 may be claimed for the final round, and please remember to update submission pages promptly. If you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 00:14, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
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== Please explain your US-centric page move ==

"Government Accountability Office" as an article title seems to imply that Americans (you're one, I presume) think their country is the only one in the world. I'd like an explanation. [[User:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen;">'''Tony'''</span>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<span style="color:darkgreen;">(talk)</span>]] 14:49, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

:TJ, I support your move back to the title without a disambiguator. Until [[Government Accountability Office (disambiguation)]] lists other agencies of the same name, there's no need to disambiguate the name. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 15:13, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
::That's pretty much what I was thinking. If no other articles have a similar name, then there is no reason to add a disambiguation. If there are are ever any other similar articles, I would be fine with moving it, but as of right now there are no pages with similar titles. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:41, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

:::Even if there were other articles, we'd have to consider what's the primary topic. Consider the article titled [[Royal Air Force]]: even though there are other Royal Air Forces, the British one is the primary topic, so it doesn't have the disambiguated title of [[Royal Air Force (UK)]]. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 17:51, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
== WikiCup 2011 September newsletter ==

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We are on this year's home straight, with less than a month to go until the winner of the 2011 WikiCup will be decided. The fight for first place is currently being contested by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Miyagawa}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Hurricanehink}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Sp33dyphil}}, all of whom have over 200 points. This round has already seen multiple featured articles ([[1991 Atlantic hurricane season]] from Hurricanehink and [[Northrop YF-23]] from Sp33dyphil) and a double-scoring featured list (Miyagawa's [[1948 Summer Olympics medal table]]). The scores will likely increase far further before the end of the round on October 31 as everyone ups their pace. There is not much more to say- thoughts about next year's competition are welcome on the WikiCup talk page or the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring|scoring talk page]], and signups will open once a few things have been sorted out.

If you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 12:54, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
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== Moving [[Talk:Burma|Burma to Myanmar]] - ongoing poll ==

This is to let you know that an ongoing poll is taking place to move [[Talk:Burma|Burma to Myanmar]].
This note is going out to wikipedia members who have participated in Burma/Myanmar name changing polls in the past.
It does not include banned members nor those with only ip addresses. Thank you. [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 21:43, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
== WikiCup 2011 October newsletter ==

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The 2011 WikiCup is now ''over'', and our new champion is {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Hurricanehink}}, who joins the exclusive club of the previous winners: {{ul|Dreamafter}} (2007), {{ul|jj137}} (2008), {{ul|Durova}} (2009) and {{ul|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010). The final standings were as follows:

#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Hurricanehink}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Sp33dyphil}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Yellow Evan}}
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#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Wizardman}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Casliber}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Resolute}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|PresN}}

Prizes for first, second, third and fourth will be awarded, as will prizes for all those who reached the final eight. Every participant who scored in the competition will receive a ribbon of participation. In addition to the prizes based on placement, the following special prizes will be awarded based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, the prize is awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a ''single round''.

*The Featured Article Award: {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Casliber}}, for his performance in round 2. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Hurricanehink}} matched the score, but Casliber won the tiebreaker.
*The Good Article Award: {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Yellow Evan}}, for his performance in round 4.
*The Featured List Award: {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Miyagawa}}, for his performance in round 4. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|PresN}} matched the score, but Miyagawa won the tiebreaker.
*The Recognised Topic Award (for good and featured topics): {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|PresN}}, for his performance in round 3.
*The Did You Know Award: {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|The Bushranger}}, for his performance in round 1.
*The In the News Award: {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Candlewicke}}, for his performance in round 1.
*The Reviewer Award (for good article reviews): {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant2|Wizardman}}, for his performance in round 3.

No prize was awarded for featured pictures, sounds or portals, as none were claimed throughout the competition. The awards will be handed out over the next few days. Congratulations to all our participants, and especially our winners; we've all had fun, and Wikipedia has benefitted massively from our content work.

Preparation for next year's WikiCup is ongoing. Interested parties are invited to '''[[Wikipedia:WikiCup/2012 signups|sign up]]''' and participate in our '''[[Wikipedia_talk:WikiCup/Scoring#Time_for_some_straw_polls|straw polls]]'''. It's been a pleasure to work with you all this year, and, whoever's taking part in and running the competition in 2012, we hope to see you all in January! [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 00:50, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
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== 2012 WikiCup ==

Hi! As you've previously expressed interest in the competition, I'm just letting you know that the [[Wikipedia:WikiCup|2012 WikiCup]] is due to start in less than 24 hours. [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/2012 signups|Signups]] are open, and will remain so for a few weeks after the beginning of the competition. The competition itself will follow basically the same format as last year, with a few small tweaks to point costs to reflect the opinions of the community. If you're interested in taking part, you're more than welcome, and if you know anyone who might be, please let them know too- the more the merrier! To join, simply add your name to '''[[Wikipedia:WikiCup/2012 signups]]''', and we will be in touch. Please feel free to direct any questions to me, or leave a note on the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup|WikiCup talk page]]. Thanks! <small>You are receiving this note as you are listed on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]]. Please feel free to add or remove yourself.</small> [[User:EdwardsBot|EdwardsBot]] ([[User talk:EdwardsBot|talk]]) 01:27, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
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== Date Format ==

Hey! I appreciate the enthusiasm, but for most of the articles, date formats that actually spell out the month, rather than have just a number, are much less confusing.  While someone from the United states might see 2011-1-6 as January 6, 2011, someone from england might see that same number as 1 June 2011. Thus, in order to keep the dates unambiguous, using the month spelled out is best.  Hopefully that all made sense! [[User:Jeancey|Jeancey]] ([[User talk:Jeancey|talk]]) 01:02, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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Your name has been mentioned in connection with a [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry|sockpuppetry]] case. Please refer to [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TJ Spyke]] for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Guidance#Defending yourself against claims|the guide to responding to cases]] before editing the evidence page. — [[User:HelloAnnyong|'''<span style="color: #aaa">Hello</span><span style="color: #666">Annyong</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:HelloAnnyong|(say whaaat?!)]]</sup> 14:43, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
== WikiCup 2012 January newsletter ==

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WikiCup 2012 is off to a flying start. At the time of writing, we have 112 contestants; comparable to last year, but slightly fewer than 2010. [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/2012 signups|Signups]] will remain open for another week, after which time they will be closed for this year. Our currrent far-away leader is {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grapple X}}, due mostly to his work on a slew of good articles about ''[[The X-Files]]''; there remain many such articles waiting to be reviewed at [[WP:GAC|good article candidates]]. Second place is currently held by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Ruby2010}}, whose points come mostly from good articles about television episodes, although good article reviews, did you knows and an article about a baroness round out the score. In third place is {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Jivesh boodhun}}, who has scored 200 points for his work on a single featured article, as well as points for work on others, mostly in the area of pop music. In all, nine users have 100 or more points. However, at the other end of the scale, there are still dozens of participants who are yet to score. Please remember to update your submission pages promptly!

The 64 highest scoring participants will advance to round 2 in a month's time. There, they will be split into eight random groups of eight. The score needed to reach the next round is not at all clear; last year, 8 points guaranteed a place. The year before, 20.

A few participants and their work warrant a mention for achieving "firsts" in this competition.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|12george1}} was the first to score, with his good article review of ''[[Illinois v. McArthur]]''.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|12george1}} was also the first to score points for an article, thanks to his work on [[Hurricane Debby (1982)]]- now a good article. Tropical storms have featured heavily in the Cup, and good articles currently have a relatively fast turnaround time for reviews.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Sp33dyphil}} was the first to score points for a did you know, with [[Russian submarine K-114 Tula|Russian submarine K-114 ''Tula'']]. Military history is another subject which has seen a lot of Cup activity.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Sp33dyphil}} is also the first person to successfully claim bonus points. ''[[Terminator 2: Judgment Day]]'' is now a good article, and was eligible for bonus points because the subject was covered on more than 20 other Wikipedias at the start of the competition. It is fantastic to see bonus points being claimed so early!
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Speciate}} was the first to score points for an In the News entry, with ''[[Paedophryne amauensis]]''. The lead image from the article was also used on the main page for a time, and it's certainly eye-catching!
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Jivesh boodhun}} was the first to score points for a featured article, and is, at the moment, the only competitor to claim for one. The article, [[Halo (Beyoncé Knowles song)|"Halo" (Beyoncé Knowles song)]], was also worth double points because of its wide coverage. While this is an article that Jivesh and others have worked on for some time, it is undeniable that he has put considerable work into it this year, pushing it over the edge.

We are yet to see any featured lists, featured topics or good topics, but this is unsurprising; firstly, the nomination processes with each of these can take some time, and, secondly, it can take a considerable amount of time to work content to this level. In a similar vein, we have seen only one featured article. The requirement that content must have been worked on this year to be eligible means that we did not expect to see these at the start of the competition. No points have been claimed for featured portals or pictures, but these are not content types which are often claimed; the former has never made a big impact on the WikiCup, while the latter has not done so since 2009's competition.

A quick rules clarification before the regular notices: If you are concerned that another user is claiming points inappropriately, please contact a judge to take a look at the article. Competitors policing one another can create a bad atmosphere, and may lead to inconsistencies and mistakes. Rest assured that we, the judges, ''are'' making an effort to check submissions, but it is possible that we will miss something. On a loosely related note: If you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 00:19, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2012 February newsletter ==

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Round 1 is already over! The 64 highest scorers have progressed to round 2. Our highest scorer was {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grapple X}}, again thanks mostly to a swathe of good articles on ''The X-Files''. In second place was {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Tigerboy1966}}, thanks an impressive list of did you knows about racehorses. Both scored over 400 points. Following behind with over 300 points were {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Ruby2010}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Cwmhiraeth}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Miyagawa}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Casliber}}. February also saw the competition's first featured list: [[List of colleges and universities in North Dakota]], from {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Ruby2010}}. At the other end of the scale, 11 points was enough to secure a place in this round, and some contestants with 10 points made it into the round on a tiebreaker. This is higher than the 8 points that were needed last year, but lower than the 20 points required the year before. The number of points required to progress to round 3 will be significantly higher.

The remaining contestants have been split into 8 pools of 8, named A through H. Round two will finish in two months time on 28 April, when the two highest scorers in each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers, will progress to round 3. The pools were entirely random, so while some pools may end up being more competitive than others, this is by chance rather than design.

The judges would like to point out two quick rules reminders. First, any content promoted during the interim period (that is, on or after 27 February) is eligible for points in round 2. Second, any content worked on significantly this ''year'' is eligible for points if promoted in this ''round''. On a related note, if you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which would otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 00:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2012 March newsletter ==

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We are over half way through the second round of this year's WikiCup and things are going well! {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grapple X}}, of Pool B, is our highest overall scorer thanks to his prolific writings on television and film. In second place is Pool H's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Cwmhiraeth}}, thanks primarily to work on biological articles, especially in [[marine biology]] and [[herpetology]]. Third place goes to Pool E's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Casliber}}, who also writes primarily on biology (including [[ornithology]] and [[botany]]) and has already submitted two featured articles this round. Of the 63 contestants remaining, 15 (just under a quarter) have over 100 points this round. However, 25 are yet to score. Please remember to update your submission pages promptly. 32 contestants, the top two from each pool and the 16 next-highest scorers, will advance to round 3.

Congratulations to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Matthewedwards}}, whose impressive [[:File:Wacht am Rhein map (Opaque).svg]] became the competition's first featured picture. Also, congratulations to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|12george1}}, who claimed good topic points, our first contestant this year to do so, for his work on [[Wikipedia:Featured topics/1982 Atlantic hurricane season]]. This leaves featured topics and featured portals as the only sources of points not yet utilised. However, as [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup#WikiCup Records|recent statistics]] from {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Miyagawa}} show, no source has yet been utilised this competition to the same extent it has been previously!

It has been observed that the backlogs at good article candidates are building up again. While the points for good article reviews will be remaining constant, any help that can be offered keeping the backlog down would be appreciated. On a related note, if you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. As ever, questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 23:29, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2012 April newsletter ==

Round 2 of this year's WikiCup is over, and so we are down to our final 32, in what could be called our quarter-finals. The two highest scorers from each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers overall, have entered round 3, while 30 participants have been eliminated. Pool B's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grapple X}} remains our top scorer with over 700 points; he continues to gain high numbers of points for his good articles on ''[[The X-Files]]'', but also ''[[Millennium (TV series)|Millennium]]'' and other subjects. He has also gained points for a good topic, a featured list, multiple good article reviews and several did you knows. Pool E's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Casliber}} was second, thanks primarily to his biology articles, with Pool H's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Muboshgu}} coming in third, with an impressive 46 did you knows, mostly on the subject of baseball. Casliber and Cwmhiraeth both scored over 600 points. Pools E and H proved our most successful, with each seeing 5 members qualify for round 3, while Pools C and D were the least, with each seeing only 3 reach round 3. However, it was Pool G which saw the lowest scoring, with a little under 400 points combined; Pool H, the highest scoring group, saw over triple that score.

65 points was the lowest qualifying score for round 3; significantly higher than the 11 required to enter round 2, and also higher than the 41 required to reach round 3 last year. However, in 2010, 100 points were needed to secure a place in round 3. 16 will progress to round 4. In round 3, 150 points was the 16th highest score, though, statistically, people tend to up their game a little in later rounds. Last year, 76 points secured a place, while in 2010, a massive 250 points were needed. Guessing how many points will be required is not easy. We still have not seen any featured portals or topics this year, but, on the subject of less common content types, a small correction needs to be made to the previous newsletter: [[:File:Wacht am Rhein map (Opaque).svg]], our first featured picture, was the work of ''both'' {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Matthewedwards}} ''and'' {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grandiose}}, the latter of whom has also gone on to score with [[:File:Map of the Battle of Guam, 1944.svg]]. Bonus points also continue to roll in; this round, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Ealdgyth}} earned triple points for her good articles on [[William the Conqueror]] and the [[Middle Ages]], Casliber and Cwmhiraeth both earned triple points for their work on [[Western Jackdaw]], now a good article, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Dana boomer}} earned triple points for her work on [[lettuce]] and work by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Stone}} to ready [[antimony]] for good article status earned him triple points. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Jarry1250}} managed to expand [[Vitus Bering]] far enough for a did you know, which was also worth triple points. All of these highly important topics featured on 50 or more Wikipedias at the start of the year. 

An article on the WikiCup in the Wikimedia Blog, "[http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/30/improving-wikipedia-with-friendly-competition/ Improving Wikipedia with friendly competition]", was posted at the end of April. This may be of interest to those who are signed up to this newsletter, as well as serving as another way to draw attention to our project. Also, we would again like to thank {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Jarry1250}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Stone}}, for continued help behind the scenes. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]] and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] &bull; [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 23:22, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2012 May newsletter ==

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We're halfway through round 3 (or the quarter finals, if you prefer) and things are running smoothly. We're seeing very high scoring; as of the time of writing, the top 16 all have over 90 points. This has already proved to be more competative than this time last year- in 2011, 76 points secured a place, while in 2010, a massive 250 was the lowest qualifying score. People have also upped their game slightly from last round, which is to be expected as we approach the end of the competition. Leading Pool A is {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Cwmhiraeth}}, whose points have mostly come from a large number of did you knows on marine biology. Pool B's leader, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grapple X}}, is for the first time not our highest scorer at the time of newsletter publication, but his good articles on ''The X-Files'' and ''Millenium'' keep him in second place overall. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Miyagawa}} leads Pool C, our quietest pool, with content in a variety of areas on a variety of topics. Pool D is led by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Casliber}}, our current overall leader. Nearly half of Casliber's points come from his triple-scored [[Western Jackdaw]], which is now a featured article.

This round has seen an unusually high number of featured lists, with nearly one in five remaining participants claiming one, and one user, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Muboshgu}}, claiming two. Miyagawa's featured list, [[1936 Summer Olympics medal table]], was even awarded double points. By comparison, good article reviews seem to be playing a smaller part, and featured topics portals remain two content-types still unutilised in this competition. Other than that, there isn't much to say! Things are coming along smoothly. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 23:46, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2012 June newsletter ==

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''Apologies for the lateness of this letter; our usual bot wasn't working.'' We are now entering round 4, our semi-finals, and have our final 16. A score of 243 was required to reach this round; significantly more than 2011's 76 points, and only a little behind 2010's 250 points. By comparison, last year, 150 points in round 4 secured a place in the final; in 2010, 430 were needed. Commiserations to Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Igordebraga}}, who scored 242 points, missing out on a place in the round by a whisker. However, congratulations to Pool B's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grapple X}}, whose television articles have brought him another round victory. Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Cwmhiraeth}} came second overall, with an impressive list of biological did you knows, good articles and featured articles. Third overall was Pool D's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Muboshgu}}, with a long list of contibutions, mostly relating to baseball. Of course, with the points resetting every round, the playing field has been levelled. The most successful Pool was Pool D, which saw seven into the final round. Pool B saw four, C saw three and Pool A saw only the two round leaders.

A quick note about other competitions taking place on Wikipedia which may be of interest. There are 13 days remaining in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GAN backlog elimination drives/June-July 2012|June-July GAN backlog elimination drive]], but it is not too late to take part. August will also see the return of [[Wikipedia:The Core Contest|The Core Contest]]- a one month long competition first run in 2007. While the WikiCup awards points for audited content on any subject, The Core Contest about is raw article improvement, focussing heavily on the most important articles on Wikipedia. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 11:13, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
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== Your edit to [[List of video games featuring Mario]] ==

I'm not sure exactly what happened, but there seems to have been a few errors -- you outright erased proper section-pointed piped links (LCD Games), linked "Port" to [[Port (computer networking)]] while it evidently should be linked towards [[Porting]], and changed wikilinks to bypass redirects which is discouraged by [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the editing guideline on Redirects]].  Thanks for your care in trying to improve the encyclopedia, however. :) <span style="13px Sylfaen;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">[[User:Salvidrim|<span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:white">Salvidrim!</span></span>]]</span> 22:46, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
:I was using a program to help me, normally I pay more attention. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 22:49, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
::Have you considered making AWB (or whatever software you're using) show that the edit is semi-automated in the edit summary?  <span style="13px Sylfaen;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">[[User:Salvidrim|<span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:white">Salvidrim!</span></span>]]</span> 23:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
:::I forgot to click that box, I will make sure it's checked. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 23:15, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
::::Haha, no worries. I know the intention was helpful and am not blaming you for anything! :) <span style="13px Sylfaen;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">[[User:Salvidrim|<span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;"><span style="color:white">Salvidrim!</span></span>]]</span> 00:27, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

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== Please be more careful with your cleanups ==

First of all I thank you for performing all of the cleanups that your edit history reveals. People like you who gnomishly slave away making small edits like this often go under appreciated and although I'm here to offer some criticism, I do appreciate your work and hope you will continue.

That said, I would like to ask you to be a bit more careful in the future regarding the "fixing" of redirects. Wikipedia's guidelines regarding redirects states that "[[WP:NOTBROKEN|While there are a limited number of cases where bypassing redirect is beneficial, it is generally an unhelpful exercise, and it can actually be detrimental.]]" You've been around a long time and so I don't want to quote guidelines at you unnecessarily because I know it can be annoying but I just wanted to illustrate ''why'' bypassing redirects can be harmful because I don't think our previous conversation on the issue left much of an impression...

In [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Game_of_the_Year&diff=503187209&oldid=503153861 this edit] you made a large number of changes to the article, but the one in particular that I'd like to highlight is the changing of
*"<code><nowiki>[[Pillars of the Earth (tabletop game)|Pillars of the Earth]]</nowiki></code>"
to
*"<code><nowiki>[[The Pillars of the Earth#Board games|Pillars of the Earth]]</nowiki></code>"
The end result certainly seems to be the same. In both cases, clicking on the bluelink currently leads you to "The Pillars of the Earth#Board games", but a critical difference emerges as soon as someone (future editor X) gets up the initiative to create an article on the Pillars of the Earth tabletop game (i.e. to change the redirect into an article). Previous to your edit, the link at the "Game of the Year" article would have brought readers to X's new article on the tabletop game, but after your edit readers using this link would only have gone to a small subsection of the "The Pillars of the Earth" article. In order to repair the edit you'd made, X would have to do an in-depth text-only search of Wikipedia to locate links that can now be re-linked to their natural destination. In the meanwhile, your edit hasn't improved navigation in any way. It is at best neutral and at worst it is harmful.

Now I don't want to say that redirects should never be bypassed. Bypassing a redirect where there is no possible way that an article could ever be created on the target in the future (e.g. bypassing a misspelling, or an incorrect name, etc.) is helpful in my view. But if there is any chance that a future article may be written on the topic of the redirect (e.g. if it's only a redirect because it's a related topic without an article) then it's frankly harmful to Wikipedia's future interconnectivity to bypass the redirect.

Again, I don't mean to preach. I used to do exactly what you are doing in making cleanups to bypass redirects. It does seem counter-intuitive and messy to leave redirects in place when a direct link shrinks the "What Links Here" page. I hope you can see, though, that bypassing valid redirects can also harm the place. Thanks again for the gnomish work and please don't take this as personal criticism. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:27, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
:Ah, OK. I sometimes am not 100% familiar with a subject, and usually I am more careful than this in making a edit. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
::OK, thanks again for your help. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:35, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
== Just to set the records straight ==

I am not intentionally vandalizing Wikipedia! All I am doing is including further details on the tag teams and individual wrestlers (such as their birth names and members of the tag team.) [[User:Jayemd|Jayemd]] ([[User talk:Jayemd|talk]]) 14:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
:Their birth names are not needed or required, and all they do is add a redirect (i.e. the article on Shawn Michaels is at [[Shawn Michaels]], not "Michael Hickenbottom"). This is not helpful, and makes it worse. You have been warned multiple times to stop it, both by me and others. So please stop. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 14:09, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2012 July newsletter ==

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We're approaching the beginning of 2012's final round. Pool A sees {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Cwmhiraeth}} as the leader, with 300 points being awarded for the featured article [[Bivalvia]], and Pool B sees {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grapple X}} in the lead, with 10 good articles, and over 35 articles eligible for good topic points. Pool A sees {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Muboshgu}} in second place with a number of articles relating to baseball, while Pool B's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Ruby2010}} follows Grapple X, with a variety of contributions including the high-scoring, high-importance featured article on the 2010 film ''[[Pride & Prejudice (2005 film)|Pride & Prejudice]]''. Ruby2010, like Grapple X, also claimed a number of good topic points; despite this, not a single point has been claimed for featured topics in the contest so far. The same is true for featured portals.

Currently, the eighth-place competitor (and so the lowest scorer who would reach the final round right now) has scored 332, more than double the 150 needed to reach the final round last year. In 2010, however, 430 was the lowest qualifying score. In this competition, we have generally seen scores closer to those in 2010 than those in 2011. Let's see what kind of benchmark we can set for future competitions! As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 22:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
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== "Fixing" redirects ==

Hi. I noticed recently that you have made several "fix" edits to articles, which have largely consisted of redirecting links. While this is often useful or even required (to avoid ambiguity or disambig pages), many of the changes you have made were unnecessary and may even be harmful down the line. [[WP:NOTBROKEN]] outlines various reasons why piping a link may not always be useful or may even be detrimental, but I'll give a brief summary here.

Take "AA batteries" for example. You piped this to "AA battery", which is the current article title. However, it is highly unlikely that "AA batteries" will ever point to any article other than the one about AA batteries. It is also certainly possible that the article could be renamed at some point, thus creating a double redirect with the piped version.

Another example is "DualShock 3" - a redirect that currently points to "DualShock#DualShock 3". Currently when a user clicks on an un-piped "DualShock 3" link it takes them to the right place (so piping is unnecessary). More importantly though, it is entirely conceivable that at some point in the future DualShock 3 may be split off into its own article, at which point the simple "DualShock 3" link would take users right to it, while "DualShock#DualShock 3" would not (instead probably taking the user to a summary paragraph with a "main article link" above it).

I hope this has been helpful and you'll avoid unnecessary piping in future, <font face="sans-serif">'''[[user:Alphathon|<font color="#900">Alphathon</font>]]'''&nbsp;<small><small>{{#switch: |IPA=IPA:&nbsp;|lang=English:&nbsp;|pron=pronounced&nbsp;|UK=UK:&nbsp;|US=US:&nbsp;|local=locally&nbsp;|=|English pronunciation:&#32;}}</small>{{IPA|[[WP:IPA for English|/'æɫ.fə.θɒn/]]}}{{#if:|{{IPA audio link|{{{3}}} }} }}&nbsp;<sup>([[user talk:Alphathon|<font color="#900">talk</font>]])</sup></small></font> 16:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

: And of course TJ Spyke knows that very well. Since you chose to ignore our last discussion about in in January and this reminder from two weeks ago and still 'fix' those redirects in direct violation of community guidelines I have temporarily blocked your account. I see no other options that might convince you to respect the community in this. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 11:22, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
::I rarely do those unneeded fixes, the majority of my edits are helpful. Whatever, guess you are mad because I am improving the site and making articles better. Why chase away good editors like myself? Learn what is good for the site and what isn't. Blocking good editors for improving articles is a BAD thing. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 11:57, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
::: Rarely is simply not true, you ''systematically'' make those changes. And no, the community does not agree that they are improvements -- very often, as explained above and countless times before, those changes are damaging.<br>I ''do'' realize that you make positive changes at the same time, but since nobody can convince you with words to stop making the damaging ones I see no other option left for me. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 12:04, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
:::: How are any of them damaging? Maybe ones like the DualShock example might not be great changes (though more often than not, they will never get their own articles as they are not substantive enough to warrant them), but how is doing something like changing <nowiki>[[Kenny Lane|Kenny King]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[Kenny King (wrestler)|Kenny King]]</nowiki> "damaging"? If it's just the one like DualShock, maybe if I avoid those ones? Usually I do, sometimes I get carried away trying to improve the article. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 12:09, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
::::: Alphathon gave examples above, and I'm sure you find many more in the previous discussions in your archives, and in the linked guideline page. I'll list three more I noticed {{diff|Blu-ray Disc|507461577|507091737|the diff I looked at yesterday}}:
:::::* 'Fixing' a redirect is measurably damaging if it increases redundancy or removes information. E.g., section redirects like <tt><nowiki>[[Megabyte per second]]</nowiki></tt> are good because the exact section name needs only be maintained in the redirect page. Baking it into many pages with <tt><nowiki>[[Data rate units#Megabyte per second|MB/s]]</nowiki></tt> increases the work needed if the section header ever changes or the topic gets a standalone article (fixing 1 page vs. fixing all where it was used). Some will never be fixed since nobody is actively looking for them, meaning the usefulness of the section wikilinks deteriorates for our readers.
:::::* Changing <tt><nowiki>or other [[nonlinear optical]] mechanisms</nowiki></tt> to <tt><nowiki>or other [[Nonlinear optics|nonlinear optical]] mechanisms</nowiki></tt> makes the page source harder to read.
:::::* It makes your diffs unnecessarily complex to read for others, and all of this without benefit for reader or editor.
::::: I won't discuss the ''merits'' of the guideline here though. Main point is: you are deliberately ignoring an editing guideline and have done so for years, despite many editors coming here and pointing it out. A community project can't work that way. If you disagree with it, argue on its talk page to have it changed. Until then, if a redirect is correct and stable leave it alone.<br>[[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 07:50, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

== Moving [[Talk:Burma|Burma to Myanmar]] - ongoing poll ==

This is to let you know that an ongoing poll is taking place to move [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Burma Burma to Myanmar]. I know this happened just recently but no administrator would close these frequent rm's down, so here we go again. This note is going out to wikipedia members who have participated in Burma/Myanmar name changing polls in the past. It does not include banned members nor those with only ip addresses. Thank you. [[User:Fyunck(click)|Fyunck(click)]] ([[User talk:Fyunck(click)|talk]]) 00:21, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
== Warning ==

[[Image:Ambox warning blue.svg|25px|alt=|link=]] Hello, and [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|welcome to Wikipedia]]. I noticed that your user subpage at [[:User:TJ Spyke]] may not meet Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:User page|user page guideline]]&#32;because you have used bad language and have not showed respect for others' religions. If you believe that your userpage does not violate our guidelines, please leave a note on this page. As an alternative, you may add <code><nowiki>{{Db-userreq}}</nowiki></code> to the top of the page in question and an administrator will delete it, or you can simply edit the page so that it meets Wikipedia's userpage guidelines. Thank you. <!-- Template:uw-userpage -->
:What, because I called Scientology a joke? It's not a religion, I treat actual religions with respect. I will consider rewording it, but I didn't say anything bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:34, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
::No, not because you called Scientology a joke, mainly because you have used bad language.<span style="background-color:Yellow;color:Blue;">'''Thomas85753'''</span> 08:10, 23 August 2012 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thomas85753|Thomas85753]] ([[User talk:Thomas85753|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas85753|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::What bad language are you talking about? The worst thing I say is "crap". '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 10:38, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
::::That is the general idea. <span style="background-color:Yellow;color:Blue;">'''Thomas85753'''</span> 18:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thomas85753|Thomas85753]] ([[User talk:Thomas85753|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas85753|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::::Who considers "crap" to be bad language though? '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:48, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::Some people do.<span style="background-color:Yellow;color:Blue;">'''Thomas85753'''</span> 06:54, 24 August 2012 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thomas85753|Thomas85753]] ([[User talk:Thomas85753|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas85753|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::::::In fact, most people do. <span style="background-color:Yellow;color:Blue;">'''Thomas85753'''</span> 06:57, 24 August 2012 (UTC)  <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thomas85753|Thomas85753]] ([[User talk:Thomas85753|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas85753|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: That's an improper warning of course. 'Bad language' by itself is not at all problematic. [[Wikipedia:User page#Excessive unrelated content|The user page guideline]] lists a couple of things that are generally considered problematic, but established users usually get a lot of leeway on their user pages. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 07:53, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Comment: Per [[WP:UP#POLEMIC]], the anti-scientology stuff at your userpage should be removed. Probably 99.999% of people (those with common sense) agree with it, but it's really not the right place to post it. You're a good editor, and that sort of thing can only lead to a hassle for you, and offend people and encourage others to also start posting such statement. Others will say that if that's okay, then an attack page on Mormons and the hilarious South Park episode (dum dum dum) is okay, then Muslims, then Eskimos, then of course, the inevitable attack on the easiest group to vilify: taxi drivers. Yes, that's right, taxi drivers. Why? It's all too easy. Low IQs, neanderthalean posture, body odor, bad teeth, you name it. And why do they always change shifts at rush hours? I don't know. And what's that smell? Just what the heck is that smell? And the picture. It's never a picture of the actual taxi driver. What's that about? Turn on the air conditioner. No. Blah blah, it's broken. I don't want to hear that. And why is the window stuck. I have the right to open..... but I digress. Sorry. Anyway, please just remove the content. Think of the taxi drivers. Think of the Scientologist taxi drivers. Think of the children. Now, think of Pink Floyd. Now, listen to Pink Floyd. Really, really listen to Pink Floyd and all of this will seem meaningless. 

Sorry for the long post, but I believe in getting right to the point. [[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak|talk]]) 12:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC) [[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak|talk]]) 12:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
:I've had that comment up since December 2007, and no one ever had a problem until this new editor who really only started editing this week (had had 4 edits in 2009, than nothing until August 19 of this year). I guess I can re-word it, but keep that I dislike the Scientology cult. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 12:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

::Since 2007??? Holy moly! It is only because you've been around for a while that I didn't remove it on sight. Normally I delete the stuff with the edit summary "removed polemical content per [[WP:UP#POLEMIC]]" and move on. Straight up, no joking: That stuff is for Facebook. We're here to... you know rest.  Please take my advice. Self-zap the content completely. Unblock request with.... you know the rest. Edit constructively.... you know the rest. Simple. Best wishes, [[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak|talk]]) 13:10, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
:Can't, an admin who doesn't like when editors fix articles blocked me til September 6. So I can't even edit my own userpage. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 13:47, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

::No worries. I removed it for you. Sept 6 is soon. Do some fishing. Enjoy the end of the summer. Come back refreshed and edit constructively. Best, [[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak|talk]]) 14:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
:::Not what I would have done. I might change it a little, to keep my dislike of it but just word it better. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 14:28, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

::::If you have dislike, please, post it at Facebook. This is not a place for attacking groups.

::::As for the fixing links thing: Trust the community. If they say something's a bad plan, listen to them. Who are we to question lots of Wikipedia's voices all saying the same thing? (Note: If those voices are [[Inedia|breatharianists]] then ignore them. They don't know beans because they're weak from hunger.) [[User:Anna Frodesiak|Anna Frodesiak]] ([[User talk:Anna Frodesiak|talk]]) 14:32, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2012 August newsletter ==

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The final is upon us! We are down to our final 8. A massive 573 was our lowest qualifying score; this is higher than the 150 points needed last year and the 430 needed in 2010. Even in 2009, when points were acquired for mainspace edit count in addition to audited content, 417 points secured a place. That leaves this year's WikiCup, by one measure at least, our most competitive ever. Our finalists, ordered by round 4 score, are:
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grapple X}} once again finishes the round in first place, leading Pool B. Grapple X writes articles about television, and especially ''The X-Files'' and ''Millenium'', with good articles making up the bulk of the score.
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Miyagawa}} led Pool A this round. Fourth-place finalist last year, Miyagawa writes on a variety of topics, and has reached the final primarily off the back of his massive number of did you knows.
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Ruby2010}} was second in Pool B. Ruby2010 writes primarily on television and film, and scores primarily from good articles.
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Casliber}} finished third in Pool B. Casliber is something of a WikiCup veteran, having finished sixth in 2011 and fourth in 2010. Casliber writes on the natural sciences, including ornithology, botany and astronomy. Over half of Casliber's points this round were bonus points from the high-importance articles he has worked on.
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Cwmhiraeth}} came second in Pool A. Also writing on biology, especially marine biology, Cwmhiraeth received 390 points for one featured article ([[Bivalvia]]) and one good article ([[pelican]]), topping up with a large number of did you knows.
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Muboshgu}} was third in Pool A. Muboshgu writes primarily on baseball, and this round saw Muboshgu's first featured article, [[Derek Jeter]], promoted on its fourth attempt at FAC.
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Dana boomer}} was fourth in Pool A. She writes on a variety of topics, including horses, but this round also saw the high-importance [[lettuce]] reach featured article status.
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Sasata}} is another WikiCup veteran, having been a finalist in 2009 and 2010. He writes mostly on mycology.

However, we must also say goodbye to the eight who did not make the final, having fallen at the last hurdle: {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|GreatOrangePumpkin}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Ealdgyth}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Calvin999}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Piotrus}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Toa Nidhiki05}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|12george1}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|The Bushranger}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|1111tomica}}. We hope to see you all next year.

On the subject of next year, a discussion has been opened [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring#Changes for next year?|here]]. Come and have your say about the competition, and how you'd like it to run in the future. This brainstorming will go on for some time before more focused discussions/polls are opened. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 00:25, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2012 September newsletter ==

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We're over half way through the final, and so it is less than a month until we know for certain our 2012 WikiCup champion. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grapple X}} currently leads, followed by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Sasata}}, {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Cwmhiraeth}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Casliber}}. However, we have no one resembling a breakaway leader, and so the competition is a long way from over. Next month's newsletter will feature a list of our winners (who are not necessarily only the finalists) and keep your eyes open for an article on the WikiCup in a future edition of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]''. The leaders are already on a par with last year's winners, but a long way from the huge scores seen in 2010. That said, a repeat of the competition from 2010 seems unlikely.

It is good to see that three-quarters of our finalists have already scored bonus points this round. This shows that, contrary to criticism that the WikiCup has received in the past, the competition does not merely incentivise the writing of trivial articles; instead, our top competitors are still spending their time contributing to high-importance articles, and bringing them to a high standard. This does a great service to the encyclopedia and its readers. Thank you, and good work!

The planning for next year's WikiCup is ongoing. Some [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring#Straw poll time|straw polls]] have been opened concerning the scoring, and you can now [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/2013 signups|sign up for next year's competition]]. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 20:04, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2012 October newsletter ==

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The 2012 WikiCup has come to a close; congratulations to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Cwmhiraeth}}, our 2012 champion! Cwmhiraeth joins our exclusive club of previous winners: {{ul|Dreamafter}} (2007), {{ul|jj137}} (2008), {{ul|Durova}} (2009), {{ul|Sturmvogel 66}} (2010) and {{ul|Hurricanehink}} (2011). Our final standings were as follows:

#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Cwmhiraeth}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Sasata}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grapple X}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Casliber}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Muboshgu}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Miyagawa}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Ruby2010}}
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Dana boomer}}

Prizes for first, second, third and fourth will be awarded, as will prizes for all those who reached the final eight. Every participant who scored in the competition will receive a ribbon of participation. In addition to the prizes based on placement, the following special prizes will be awarded based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, the prize is awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round.

*The featured article award goes to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grapple X}}, for four featured articles in the final round.
*The good article award also goes to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grapple X}}, for 19 good articles in the second round.
*The list award goes to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Muboshgu}}, for three featured lists in the final round.
*The topic award goes to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grapple X}}, for three good topics (with around 40 articles) in round 4.
*The did you know award goes to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Cwmhiraeth}}, for well over 100 DYKs in the final round.
*The news award goes to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|ThaddeusB}}, for 10 in the news items in round 3.
*The picture award goes to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grandiose}}, for two featured pictures in round 2.
*The reviewer award goes to both {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Ruby2010}} (14 reviews in round 1) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Grandiose}} (14 reviews in round 3).
*Finally, for achieving an incredible bonus point total in the final round, and for bringing the top-importance article [[frog]] to featured status, a [[WP:BS|biostar]] has been awarded to {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant3|Cwmhiraeth}}.

Awards will be handed out in the coming days; please bear with us! This year's competition also saw fantastic contributions in all rounds, from newer Wikipedians contributing their first good or featured articles, right up to highly experienced Wikipedians chasing high scores and contributing to topics outside of their usual comfort zones. It would be impossible to name all of the participants who have achieved things to be proud of, but well done to all of you, and thanks! Wikipedia has certainly benefited from the work of this year's WikiCup participants.

Next year's WikiCup will begin in January. Currently, [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup/Scoring#Straw poll time|discussions and polls are open]], and all contributions are welcome. You can also [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/2013 signups|sign up for next year's competition]]. There will be no further newsletters this year, although brief notes may be sent out in December to remind everyone about the upcoming competition. It's been a pleasure to work with you all, and we hope to see you all in January! [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 00:45, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 starting soon ==

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== Redirects not bad ==

Since you are an experienced editor, I'm a little surprised at your "cleanup" edits on articles like [[Vince Foster]] that mostly just expand out redirects. Per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], "There is nothing inherently wrong with linking to redirects to articles. Some editors are tempted, upon finding a link to a redirect page, to bypass the redirect and point the link directly at the target page. While there are a limited number of cases where this is beneficial, it is generally an unhelpful exercise, and it can actually be detrimental."

The Foster article illustrates the detrimental aspect. For example, you changed "[[Deputy White House Counsel]]" to "Deputy [[White House Counsel]]". The former currently redirects to "White House Counsel", where the deputy position is described within. But what if the deputy position is made into its own article? (This does sometimes happen, see [[White House Deputy Chief of Staff]] or [[United States Deputy Secretary of State]] or [[United States Deputy Secretary of Defense]] for examples.) The "[[Deputy White House Counsel]]" usage will now point to the right article, while the "Deputy [[White House Counsel]]" usage will now point to the wrong article. Similar examples are [[Industrial Development Corporation]] and [[clinical depression]].  [[User:Wasted Time R|Wasted Time R]] ([[User talk:Wasted Time R|talk]]) 14:03, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
: [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#"Fixing" redirects|TJ Spyke knows that very well]].<br>I still see no other options that might convince you to respect the community in this, so I have again blocked your account. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 15:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
::My changes to that articles were not harmful, so I am surprised that a ban-happy, power-hungry editor exerted the only power they will ever have in life. Is it a surprise that fewer and fewer people are choosing to edit Wikipedia when they get bullied by some admins? '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:51, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
::: This is a community project. In the end, what is harmful is decided by the community, and the community has set up the guideline that you continue to break, and countless community members have come here and asked you to stop. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 16:05, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

== Welcome to the 2013 WikiCup! ==

Hello, TJ Spyke, and welcome to the [[Wikipedia:WikiCup|2013 WikiCup]]! Your submissions' page is '''[[Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2013/Submissions/TJ Spyke|here]]'''. The competition begins at midnight UTC. The first round will last until the end of February, at which point the top 64 scorers will advance to the second round. We will be in touch at the end of every month, and signups are going to remain open until the end of January; if you know of anyone else who may like to take part, please let them know! A few reminders:
*The rules can be found [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring|here]]. There have been a few changes from last year, which are listed on that page.
*Anything you submit must have been nominated and promoted in 2013, and you need to have completed significant work upon it in 2013. (The articles you review at good article reviews does not need to have been nominated in 2013, but you do need to have started the review in 2013.) We ''will be checking''.
*If you feel that another competitor is breaking the rules or abusing the competition in some way, please let a judge know. Please do not remove entries from the submissions' pages of others yourself.
*Don't worry about calculating precisely how many points everything is worth. The bot will do that. The bot may occasionally get something wrong- let a judge know, or post on the WikiCup talk page if that happens.
*Please try to be prompt in updating submissions' pages so that they can be double-checked.

Overall, however, don't worry, and have fun. It doesn't matter if you make the odd mistake; these things happen. Questions can be asked on [[WT:WikiCup|the WikiCup talk page]]. Good luck! [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] 23:21, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
== WikiCup 2013 January newsletter ==

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Signups are now ''closed''; we have our final 127 contestants for this year's competition. 64 contestants will make it to the next round at the end of February, but we're already seeing strong scoring compared to previous years. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} currently leads, with 358 points. At this stage in 2012, the leader ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Grapple X}}) had 342 points, while in 2011, the leader had 228 points. We also have a large number of scorers when compared with this stage in previous years. {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|12george1}} was the first competitor to score this year, as he was last year, with a [[Talk:Arkansas/GA1|detailed good article review]]. Some other firsts:
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|12george1}} was also the first to score for an article, with the good article [[Hurricane Gordon (2000)]]. Again, this is a repeat of last year!
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Buggie111}} was the first to score for a did you know, with [[Marquis Flowers]].
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Spencer}} was the first to score for an in the news, with [[2013 Houphouët-Boigny stampede]].
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Status}} was the first to score for a featured list, with [[list of Billboard Social 50 number-one artists|list of ''Billboard'' Social 50 number-one artists]].
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Adam Cuerden}} was the first to score for a featured picture, with [[:File:Thure de Thulstrup - L. Prang and Co. - Battle of Gettysburg - Restoration by Adam Cuerden.jpg]].

Featured articles, portals and topics, as well as good topics, are yet to feature in the competition.

This year, the bonus points system has been reworked, with bonus points on offer for old articles prepared for did you know, and "multiplier" points reworked to become more linear. For details, please see [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring]]. There have been some teething problems as the bot has worked its way around the new system, but issues should mostly be ironed out- please report any problems to the WikiCup talk page. Here are some participants worthy of note with regards to the bonus points:

*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Ed!}} was the first to score bonus points, with [[Portland-class cruiser|''Portland''-class cruiser]], a good article.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}} has the highest overall bonus points, as well as the highest scoring article, thanks to his work on [[Enrico Fermi]], now a good article. The biography of such a significant figure to the history of science warrants nearly five times the normal score.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|HueSatLum}} claimed bonus points for [[René Vautier]] and [[Nicolas de Fer]], articles that did not exist on the English Wikipedia at the start of the year; a first for the WikiCup. The articles were eligible for bonus points because of fact they were both covered on a number of ''other'' Wikipedias.

Also, a quick mention of {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|The C of E}}, who may well have already written the [[WP:ODD|oddest]] article of the WikiCup this year: did you know that the Fucking mayor objected to [[Fucking Hell]] on the grounds that there was no Fucking brewery? The gauntlet has been thrown down; can anyone beat it?

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 00:58, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
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== [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:Infobox People's Choice Awards]] ==

[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]][[Template:Infobox People's Choice Awards]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:Infobox People's Choice Awards|the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page]].<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 00:39, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
== "Cleanup" ==

Hi there. On a few occasions I've seen you go through articles performing "cleanup" (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gamepad&diff=539581749&oldid=539475205 this edit]) where you pipe redirects such as <code><nowiki>[[Dreamcast controller]] → [[Dreamcast accessories#Controller|Dreamcast controller]]</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>[[DualShock 2]] → [[DualShock#DualShock 2|DualShock 2]]</nowiki></code> where they previously used redirects. This is not beneficial. You may wish to give [[WP:NOTBROKEN]] a read with regard to this, but in a nutshell linking to redirects such as [[DualShock 2]] is preferred, since:
#it causes no problems to link to said redirect - it still takes the user to the same place
#if the page format of [[DualShock]] (in this example) is changed, it is simply a case of fixing the redirect to have all articles point to the right place
#if at any point the DualShock 2 portion of the article is split into its own article, there is no work to be done to fix all the direct section links - they will point directly to the new article

Of course fixing redirects such as <code><nowiki>[[Nights into Dreams]]</nowiki></code> → <code><nowiki>[[Nights into Dreams...]]</nowiki></code> is useful, since the former is simply a common misspelling, but generally, don't "fix" redirects unless something like this is the case.

<font face="sans-serif">'''[[user:Alphathon|<font color="#900">Alphathon</font>]]'''&nbsp;<small><small>{{#switch: |IPA=IPA:&nbsp;|lang=English:&nbsp;|pron=pronounced&nbsp;|UK=UK:&nbsp;|US=US:&nbsp;|local=locally&nbsp;|=|English pronunciation:&#32;}}</small>{{IPA|[[Help:IPA for English|/'æɫ.fə.θɒn/]]}}{{#if:|{{IPA audio link|{{{3}}} }} }}&nbsp;<sup>([[user talk:Alphathon|<font color="#900">talk</font>]])</sup></small></font> 10:22, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
: [[User_talk:TJ_Spyke/Archive_30#Redirects not bad|TJ Spyke is well aware]]. Restored block. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 15:11, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

== Trucking ==

Hi there. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Big_Mutha_Truckers_2&diff=329328935&oldid=275416862 This edit] claims to be a cleanup with AWB, but in the process you added a mistake; the game was never released for the Gamecube (as per ''the very first line of the article''), and so the Media section is wrong (and has been for three years now). How did that happen? Were you pasting something from elsewhere without checking? [[Special:Contributions/87.115.34.70|87.115.34.70]] ([[User talk:87.115.34.70|talk]]) 19:18, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tokyo_Rose&diff=539601264&oldid=537186841 this one]. Cheers. [[User:Kubanczyk|Kubanczyk]] ([[User talk:Kubanczyk|talk]]) 08:07, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 February newsletter ==

Round 1 is now over. The top 64 scorers have progressed to round 2, where they have been randomly split into eight pools of eight. At the end of April, the top two from each pool, as well as the 16 highest scorers from those remaining, will progress to round 3. Commiserations to those eliminated; if you're interested in still being involved in the WikiCup, able and willing reviewers will always be needed, and if you're interested in getting involved with other collaborative projects, take a look at the WikiWomen's Month discussed below. 

Round 1 saw 21 competitors with over 100 points, which is fantastic; that suggests that this year's competition is going to be highly competative. Our lower scores indicate this, too: A score of 19 was required to reach round 2, which was significantly higher than the 11 points required in 2012 and 8 points required in 2011. The score needed to reach round 3 will be higher, and may depend on pool groupings. In 2011, 41 points secured a round 3 place, while in 2012, 65 was needed. Our top three scorers in round 1 were:
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}}, primarily for an array of warship GAs.
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}}, primarily for an array of did you knows and good articles, some of which were awarded bonus points.
#{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}, due in no small part to [[Canis Minor]], a featured article awarded a total of 340 points. A joint submission with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}}, this is the highest scoring single article yet submitted in this year's competition. 

Other contributors of note include:
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}}, whose [[Portal:Massachusetts]] is the first featured portal this year. The featured portal process is one of the less well-known featured processes, and featured portals have traditionally had little impact on WikiCup scores.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sasata}}, whose ''[[Mycena aurantiomarginata]]'' was the first featured article this year.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Muboshgu}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Wizardman}}, who both claimed points for articles in the [[Wikipedia:Featured topics/Major League Baseball tie-breakers|Major League Baseball tie-breakers]] topic, the first topic points in the competition.
*{{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Toa Nidhiki05}}, who claimed for the first full good topic with the [[Wikipedia:Featured topics/Casting Crowns studio albums|Casting Crowns studio albums]] topic.

Featured topics have still played no part in this year's competition, but once again, a [[WP:ODD|curious contribution]] has been offered by {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|The C of E}}: did you know that there is a [[Shit Brook]] in Shropshire? With April Fools' Day during the next round, there will probably be a good chance of more unusual articles...

March sees the [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]], a series of collaborative efforts to aid the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's History|women's history WikiProject]] to coincide with [[Women's History Month]] and [[International Women's Day]]. A number of WikiCup participants have already started to take part. The project has a [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month/To-do list|to-do list]] of articles needing work on the topic of women's history. Those interested in helping out with the project can find articles in need of attention there, or, alternatively, add articles to the list. Those interested in collaborating on articles on women's history are also welcome to use the WikiCup talk page to find others willing to lend a helping hand. Another collaboration currently running is an [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup#Easter DYKs|an effort from WikiCup participants]] to coordinate a number of Easter-themed did you know articles. Contributions are welcome!

A few final administrative issues. From now on, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 11:27, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
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== Orphaned non-free media (File:Fall Brawl 93.JPG) ==

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== Orphaned non-free media (File:GAB 96.JPG) ==

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Files|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Orphaned --> [[User:Hazard-Bot|Hazard-Bot]] ([[User talk:Hazard-Bot|talk]]) 05:44, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
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If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Files|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Orphaned --> [[User:Hazard-Bot|Hazard-Bot]] ([[User talk:Hazard-Bot|talk]]) 05:45, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Files|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Orphaned --> [[User:Hazard-Bot|Hazard-Bot]] ([[User talk:Hazard-Bot|talk]]) 05:45, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Files|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Orphaned --> [[User:Hazard-Bot|Hazard-Bot]] ([[User talk:Hazard-Bot|talk]]) 05:44, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
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If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Files|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Orphaned --> [[User:Hazard-Bot|Hazard-Bot]] ([[User talk:Hazard-Bot|talk]]) 05:45, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Files|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Orphaned --> [[User:Hazard-Bot|Hazard-Bot]] ([[User talk:Hazard-Bot|talk]]) 05:45, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

A rules clarification: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round ''after'' the break, but ''not'' the round before. The case in point is content promoted on 29/30 April, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 16:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

A rules clarification: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round ''after'' the break, but ''not'' the round before. The case in point is content promoted on 29/30 April, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 16:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

A rules clarification: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round ''after'' the break, but ''not'' the round before. The case in point is content promoted on 29/30 April, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 16:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

A rules clarification: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round ''after'' the break, but ''not'' the round before. The case in point is content promoted on 29/30 April, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 16:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

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== HELP Keep a Social Media War off Wikipedia ==

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

A rules clarification: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round ''after'' the break, but ''not'' the round before. The case in point is content promoted on 29/30 April, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 16:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

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== When are you available to discuss the WP:NOTBROKEN exceptions? ==

Hi again TJ Spyke, sorry to keep bumping your talk page, but I'm concerned that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TJ_Spyke&diff=prev&oldid=554277627 my last post] may have gotten lost in the shuffle due to the changes in the message alert banner and since my post is no longer at the bottom of your page. Basically I'm wondering if you intend to continue with our discussions regarding exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN and, if so, I'm wondering when you'll be available to discuss. I'm not really interested in making this into a several-month-long project. Right now we have only a single exception that we both agree on. I've proposed two other based on violative edits of yours that happen to I agree with, and I assume we'd be in agreement on those but I'd like your feedback. I've also suggested that you need to clarify a number of the suggestions you'd made earlier. Do you intend to clarify those or should we just forget about them? I'm perfectly willing to make the proposal to alter the guidelines myself, but considering that ''you'' are the one who is constantly violating NOTBROKEN, I'm still hoping that you will be motivated to help me come up with a good set of exceptions. If you don't "buy into" and take some degree of ownership of the proposal yourself then I'm gravely concerned that you'll go back to your egregious violations the moment you think nobody is watching. Please let me know when you will be available to discuss this proposal. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:Tomorrow or Thur should be good for me. I've just been real busy with real life lately (only having a few mins at a time to even come on Wikipedia). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

OK so as I see it we've agreed to the following exception:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Exceptions
|-
! Exception
! Proposal
! Example
|-
| Spelling mistakes and capitalization errors || It's OK to change redirects to correct official spelling/capitalization. || Playstation -> PlayStation<br/>Nitnendo -> Nintendo
|}
And based on edits you've made that violate NOTBROKEN but that I agree with I've come up with the following two exceptions that I hope you'll give me input on:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+
|-
| Consistent consensus-based terminology || It's OK to alter redirects to unofficial alternate terms that reflect a community-determined term used in the interest of inter-article consistency. || videogame -> video game
|-
| Disambiguation pages || It's OK to replace a redirect link with a link to the actual page name on a disambiguation page per [[WP:PIPING]] || "Trinity (wrestler)" -> "Stephanie Finochio"
|}
Beyond these, you have also suggested exceptions for the following:
*Common names
*Obscure aspects that may never get a full article
*Synonymous terms that are used more in one country than another
And you've made recent edits reflecting personal exceptions of your to the following:
*Synonymous terms generally
*Plurals
I don't understand the need for any of these later sets of exceptions and so you can either explain why they are needed/helpful or we can forget about them. In the meanwhile I see that yesterday and today have been busy days for you in terms of further violations of NOTBROKEN (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_28&diff=prev&oldid=557225773 "Alyattes II" -> "Alyattes of Lydia"; "Battle of Narvik" -> "Battles of Narvik"; "James McDougal" -> "Jim McDougal", etc., etc.]) which saddens me. Because I've asked you repeatedly to avoid making these kinds of edits while we're in discussion on this topic and because you've continued to make them in great numbers I hope you can understand my frustration with your behavior. I had really hoped to make this a quick ~1-month discussion but due to your prolonged absences and your flagrant rule violation when you are around, I've decided to drop a note at AN/I. I'm still hopeful that we can discuss this issue and make some of the proposals listed above, but because I'm not as free from now until September I feel as though we need some extra third-party attention on the situation. I hope we can get this situation resolved very quickly. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
:The AN/I thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke|here]]. Feel free to add your thoughts to the thread. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Well Thursday has come and gone and now Friday is almost over. I'm disappointed that you weren't able to find the time to discuss the proposals any further, and now I see that you've been given an indefinite block. As I said at the AN/I, this wasn't what I had requested but I do understand why the community saw fit to apply this remedy. I am still open to your thoughts on R2D exceptions but I can understand if you wish to end our conversation considering that you are no longer welcome to edit. Either way I do intend to make at least the three proposals listed above. I'm sorry that this whole mess ended the way it did. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

== HELP Keep a Social Media War off Wikipedia ==

There appears to be a Social Media War that has been brought here to Wikipedia, and negative info is being left on the [[Michelle Borth]] page that is not necessary.  You came to me a few years ago, explaining the boundaries of Wikipedia.  Well it appears that they are being broken on Michelle's page.  Any input, feedback would help.  This little war/argument has gone too far especially now that is being brought to other sites like Wikipedia.  This particular user is claiming I have no right to remove the negative info about Michelle, regardless of whether it is true or not, until it is discussed.  I feel that if me and this user attempted to discuss, it will get very heated, and you seem to really know ur way, I'd appreciate it [[User:Taker22|Taker22]] ([[User talk:Taker22|talk]]) 10:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

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== When are you available to discuss the WP:NOTBROKEN exceptions? ==

Hi again TJ Spyke, sorry to keep bumping your talk page, but I'm concerned that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TJ_Spyke&diff=prev&oldid=554277627 my last post] may have gotten lost in the shuffle due to the changes in the message alert banner and since my post is no longer at the bottom of your page. Basically I'm wondering if you intend to continue with our discussions regarding exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN and, if so, I'm wondering when you'll be available to discuss. I'm not really interested in making this into a several-month-long project. Right now we have only a single exception that we both agree on. I've proposed two other based on violative edits of yours that happen to I agree with, and I assume we'd be in agreement on those but I'd like your feedback. I've also suggested that you need to clarify a number of the suggestions you'd made earlier. Do you intend to clarify those or should we just forget about them? I'm perfectly willing to make the proposal to alter the guidelines myself, but considering that ''you'' are the one who is constantly violating NOTBROKEN, I'm still hoping that you will be motivated to help me come up with a good set of exceptions. If you don't "buy into" and take some degree of ownership of the proposal yourself then I'm gravely concerned that you'll go back to your egregious violations the moment you think nobody is watching. Please let me know when you will be available to discuss this proposal. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:Tomorrow or Thur should be good for me. I've just been real busy with real life lately (only having a few mins at a time to even come on Wikipedia). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

OK so as I see it we've agreed to the following exception:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Exceptions
|-
! Exception
! Proposal
! Example
|-
| Spelling mistakes and capitalization errors || It's OK to change redirects to correct official spelling/capitalization. || Playstation -> PlayStation<br/>Nitnendo -> Nintendo
|}
And based on edits you've made that violate NOTBROKEN but that I agree with I've come up with the following two exceptions that I hope you'll give me input on:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+
|-
| Consistent consensus-based terminology || It's OK to alter redirects to unofficial alternate terms that reflect a community-determined term used in the interest of inter-article consistency. || videogame -> video game
|-
| Disambiguation pages || It's OK to replace a redirect link with a link to the actual page name on a disambiguation page per [[WP:PIPING]] || "Trinity (wrestler)" -> "Stephanie Finochio"
|}
Beyond these, you have also suggested exceptions for the following:
*Common names
*Obscure aspects that may never get a full article
*Synonymous terms that are used more in one country than another
And you've made recent edits reflecting personal exceptions of your to the following:
*Synonymous terms generally
*Plurals
I don't understand the need for any of these later sets of exceptions and so you can either explain why they are needed/helpful or we can forget about them. In the meanwhile I see that yesterday and today have been busy days for you in terms of further violations of NOTBROKEN (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_28&diff=prev&oldid=557225773 "Alyattes II" -> "Alyattes of Lydia"; "Battle of Narvik" -> "Battles of Narvik"; "James McDougal" -> "Jim McDougal", etc., etc.]) which saddens me. Because I've asked you repeatedly to avoid making these kinds of edits while we're in discussion on this topic and because you've continued to make them in great numbers I hope you can understand my frustration with your behavior. I had really hoped to make this a quick ~1-month discussion but due to your prolonged absences and your flagrant rule violation when you are around, I've decided to drop a note at AN/I. I'm still hopeful that we can discuss this issue and make some of the proposals listed above, but because I'm not as free from now until September I feel as though we need some extra third-party attention on the situation. I hope we can get this situation resolved very quickly. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
:The AN/I thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke|here]]. Feel free to add your thoughts to the thread. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Well Thursday has come and gone and now Friday is almost over. I'm disappointed that you weren't able to find the time to discuss the proposals any further, and now I see that you've been given an indefinite block. As I said at the AN/I, this wasn't what I had requested but I do understand why the community saw fit to apply this remedy. I am still open to your thoughts on R2D exceptions but I can understand if you wish to end our conversation considering that you are no longer welcome to edit. Either way I do intend to make at least the three proposals listed above. I'm sorry that this whole mess ended the way it did. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

== HELP Keep a Social Media War off Wikipedia ==

There appears to be a Social Media War that has been brought here to Wikipedia, and negative info is being left on the [[Michelle Borth]] page that is not necessary.  You came to me a few years ago, explaining the boundaries of Wikipedia.  Well it appears that they are being broken on Michelle's page.  Any input, feedback would help.  This little war/argument has gone too far especially now that is being brought to other sites like Wikipedia.  This particular user is claiming I have no right to remove the negative info about Michelle, regardless of whether it is true or not, until it is discussed.  I feel that if me and this user attempted to discuss, it will get very heated, and you seem to really know ur way, I'd appreciate it [[User:Taker22|Taker22]] ([[User talk:Taker22|talk]]) 10:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

== Notice ==

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

A rules clarification: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round ''after'' the break, but ''not'' the round before. The case in point is content promoted on 29/30 April, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 16:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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== When are you available to discuss the WP:NOTBROKEN exceptions? ==

Hi again TJ Spyke, sorry to keep bumping your talk page, but I'm concerned that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TJ_Spyke&diff=prev&oldid=554277627 my last post] may have gotten lost in the shuffle due to the changes in the message alert banner and since my post is no longer at the bottom of your page. Basically I'm wondering if you intend to continue with our discussions regarding exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN and, if so, I'm wondering when you'll be available to discuss. I'm not really interested in making this into a several-month-long project. Right now we have only a single exception that we both agree on. I've proposed two other based on violative edits of yours that happen to I agree with, and I assume we'd be in agreement on those but I'd like your feedback. I've also suggested that you need to clarify a number of the suggestions you'd made earlier. Do you intend to clarify those or should we just forget about them? I'm perfectly willing to make the proposal to alter the guidelines myself, but considering that ''you'' are the one who is constantly violating NOTBROKEN, I'm still hoping that you will be motivated to help me come up with a good set of exceptions. If you don't "buy into" and take some degree of ownership of the proposal yourself then I'm gravely concerned that you'll go back to your egregious violations the moment you think nobody is watching. Please let me know when you will be available to discuss this proposal. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:Tomorrow or Thur should be good for me. I've just been real busy with real life lately (only having a few mins at a time to even come on Wikipedia). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

OK so as I see it we've agreed to the following exception:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Exceptions
|-
! Exception
! Proposal
! Example
|-
| Spelling mistakes and capitalization errors || It's OK to change redirects to correct official spelling/capitalization. || Playstation -> PlayStation<br/>Nitnendo -> Nintendo
|}
And based on edits you've made that violate NOTBROKEN but that I agree with I've come up with the following two exceptions that I hope you'll give me input on:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+
|-
| Consistent consensus-based terminology || It's OK to alter redirects to unofficial alternate terms that reflect a community-determined term used in the interest of inter-article consistency. || videogame -> video game
|-
| Disambiguation pages || It's OK to replace a redirect link with a link to the actual page name on a disambiguation page per [[WP:PIPING]] || "Trinity (wrestler)" -> "Stephanie Finochio"
|}
Beyond these, you have also suggested exceptions for the following:
*Common names
*Obscure aspects that may never get a full article
*Synonymous terms that are used more in one country than another
And you've made recent edits reflecting personal exceptions of your to the following:
*Synonymous terms generally
*Plurals
I don't understand the need for any of these later sets of exceptions and so you can either explain why they are needed/helpful or we can forget about them. In the meanwhile I see that yesterday and today have been busy days for you in terms of further violations of NOTBROKEN (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_28&diff=prev&oldid=557225773 "Alyattes II" -> "Alyattes of Lydia"; "Battle of Narvik" -> "Battles of Narvik"; "James McDougal" -> "Jim McDougal", etc., etc.]) which saddens me. Because I've asked you repeatedly to avoid making these kinds of edits while we're in discussion on this topic and because you've continued to make them in great numbers I hope you can understand my frustration with your behavior. I had really hoped to make this a quick ~1-month discussion but due to your prolonged absences and your flagrant rule violation when you are around, I've decided to drop a note at AN/I. I'm still hopeful that we can discuss this issue and make some of the proposals listed above, but because I'm not as free from now until September I feel as though we need some extra third-party attention on the situation. I hope we can get this situation resolved very quickly. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
:The AN/I thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke|here]]. Feel free to add your thoughts to the thread. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Well Thursday has come and gone and now Friday is almost over. I'm disappointed that you weren't able to find the time to discuss the proposals any further, and now I see that you've been given an indefinite block. As I said at the AN/I, this wasn't what I had requested but I do understand why the community saw fit to apply this remedy. I am still open to your thoughts on R2D exceptions but I can understand if you wish to end our conversation considering that you are no longer welcome to edit. Either way I do intend to make at least the three proposals listed above. I'm sorry that this whole mess ended the way it did. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

== HELP Keep a Social Media War off Wikipedia ==

There appears to be a Social Media War that has been brought here to Wikipedia, and negative info is being left on the [[Michelle Borth]] page that is not necessary.  You came to me a few years ago, explaining the boundaries of Wikipedia.  Well it appears that they are being broken on Michelle's page.  Any input, feedback would help.  This little war/argument has gone too far especially now that is being brought to other sites like Wikipedia.  This particular user is claiming I have no right to remove the negative info about Michelle, regardless of whether it is true or not, until it is discussed.  I feel that if me and this user attempted to discuss, it will get very heated, and you seem to really know ur way, I'd appreciate it [[User:Taker22|Taker22]] ([[User talk:Taker22|talk]]) 10:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

== Notice ==

Hello. There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke|Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke]].  <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. [[User:Ramaksoud2000|Ramaksoud2000]] <sup>([[User talk:Ramaksoud2000|Talk to me]])</sup>  23:34, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
*You're about to be blocked indefinitely. If I were you I'd be pleading my case at ANI. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 03:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

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== When are you available to discuss the WP:NOTBROKEN exceptions? ==

Hi again TJ Spyke, sorry to keep bumping your talk page, but I'm concerned that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TJ_Spyke&diff=prev&oldid=554277627 my last post] may have gotten lost in the shuffle due to the changes in the message alert banner and since my post is no longer at the bottom of your page. Basically I'm wondering if you intend to continue with our discussions regarding exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN and, if so, I'm wondering when you'll be available to discuss. I'm not really interested in making this into a several-month-long project. Right now we have only a single exception that we both agree on. I've proposed two other based on violative edits of yours that happen to I agree with, and I assume we'd be in agreement on those but I'd like your feedback. I've also suggested that you need to clarify a number of the suggestions you'd made earlier. Do you intend to clarify those or should we just forget about them? I'm perfectly willing to make the proposal to alter the guidelines myself, but considering that ''you'' are the one who is constantly violating NOTBROKEN, I'm still hoping that you will be motivated to help me come up with a good set of exceptions. If you don't "buy into" and take some degree of ownership of the proposal yourself then I'm gravely concerned that you'll go back to your egregious violations the moment you think nobody is watching. Please let me know when you will be available to discuss this proposal. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:Tomorrow or Thur should be good for me. I've just been real busy with real life lately (only having a few mins at a time to even come on Wikipedia). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

OK so as I see it we've agreed to the following exception:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Exceptions
|-
! Exception
! Proposal
! Example
|-
| Spelling mistakes and capitalization errors || It's OK to change redirects to correct official spelling/capitalization. || Playstation -> PlayStation<br/>Nitnendo -> Nintendo
|}
And based on edits you've made that violate NOTBROKEN but that I agree with I've come up with the following two exceptions that I hope you'll give me input on:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+
|-
| Consistent consensus-based terminology || It's OK to alter redirects to unofficial alternate terms that reflect a community-determined term used in the interest of inter-article consistency. || videogame -> video game
|-
| Disambiguation pages || It's OK to replace a redirect link with a link to the actual page name on a disambiguation page per [[WP:PIPING]] || "Trinity (wrestler)" -> "Stephanie Finochio"
|}
Beyond these, you have also suggested exceptions for the following:
*Common names
*Obscure aspects that may never get a full article
*Synonymous terms that are used more in one country than another
And you've made recent edits reflecting personal exceptions of your to the following:
*Synonymous terms generally
*Plurals
I don't understand the need for any of these later sets of exceptions and so you can either explain why they are needed/helpful or we can forget about them. In the meanwhile I see that yesterday and today have been busy days for you in terms of further violations of NOTBROKEN (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_28&diff=prev&oldid=557225773 "Alyattes II" -> "Alyattes of Lydia"; "Battle of Narvik" -> "Battles of Narvik"; "James McDougal" -> "Jim McDougal", etc., etc.]) which saddens me. Because I've asked you repeatedly to avoid making these kinds of edits while we're in discussion on this topic and because you've continued to make them in great numbers I hope you can understand my frustration with your behavior. I had really hoped to make this a quick ~1-month discussion but due to your prolonged absences and your flagrant rule violation when you are around, I've decided to drop a note at AN/I. I'm still hopeful that we can discuss this issue and make some of the proposals listed above, but because I'm not as free from now until September I feel as though we need some extra third-party attention on the situation. I hope we can get this situation resolved very quickly. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
:The AN/I thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke|here]]. Feel free to add your thoughts to the thread. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Well Thursday has come and gone and now Friday is almost over. I'm disappointed that you weren't able to find the time to discuss the proposals any further, and now I see that you've been given an indefinite block. As I said at the AN/I, this wasn't what I had requested but I do understand why the community saw fit to apply this remedy. I am still open to your thoughts on R2D exceptions but I can understand if you wish to end our conversation considering that you are no longer welcome to edit. Either way I do intend to make at least the three proposals listed above. I'm sorry that this whole mess ended the way it did. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

== HELP Keep a Social Media War off Wikipedia ==

There appears to be a Social Media War that has been brought here to Wikipedia, and negative info is being left on the [[Michelle Borth]] page that is not necessary.  You came to me a few years ago, explaining the boundaries of Wikipedia.  Well it appears that they are being broken on Michelle's page.  Any input, feedback would help.  This little war/argument has gone too far especially now that is being brought to other sites like Wikipedia.  This particular user is claiming I have no right to remove the negative info about Michelle, regardless of whether it is true or not, until it is discussed.  I feel that if me and this user attempted to discuss, it will get very heated, and you seem to really know ur way, I'd appreciate it [[User:Taker22|Taker22]] ([[User talk:Taker22|talk]]) 10:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

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Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

A rules clarification: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round ''after'' the break, but ''not'' the round before. The case in point is content promoted on 29/30 April, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 16:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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== When are you available to discuss the WP:NOTBROKEN exceptions? ==

Hi again TJ Spyke, sorry to keep bumping your talk page, but I'm concerned that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TJ_Spyke&diff=prev&oldid=554277627 my last post] may have gotten lost in the shuffle due to the changes in the message alert banner and since my post is no longer at the bottom of your page. Basically I'm wondering if you intend to continue with our discussions regarding exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN and, if so, I'm wondering when you'll be available to discuss. I'm not really interested in making this into a several-month-long project. Right now we have only a single exception that we both agree on. I've proposed two other based on violative edits of yours that happen to I agree with, and I assume we'd be in agreement on those but I'd like your feedback. I've also suggested that you need to clarify a number of the suggestions you'd made earlier. Do you intend to clarify those or should we just forget about them? I'm perfectly willing to make the proposal to alter the guidelines myself, but considering that ''you'' are the one who is constantly violating NOTBROKEN, I'm still hoping that you will be motivated to help me come up with a good set of exceptions. If you don't "buy into" and take some degree of ownership of the proposal yourself then I'm gravely concerned that you'll go back to your egregious violations the moment you think nobody is watching. Please let me know when you will be available to discuss this proposal. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:Tomorrow or Thur should be good for me. I've just been real busy with real life lately (only having a few mins at a time to even come on Wikipedia). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

OK so as I see it we've agreed to the following exception:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Exceptions
|-
! Exception
! Proposal
! Example
|-
| Spelling mistakes and capitalization errors || It's OK to change redirects to correct official spelling/capitalization. || Playstation -> PlayStation<br/>Nitnendo -> Nintendo
|}
And based on edits you've made that violate NOTBROKEN but that I agree with I've come up with the following two exceptions that I hope you'll give me input on:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+
|-
| Consistent consensus-based terminology || It's OK to alter redirects to unofficial alternate terms that reflect a community-determined term used in the interest of inter-article consistency. || videogame -> video game
|-
| Disambiguation pages || It's OK to replace a redirect link with a link to the actual page name on a disambiguation page per [[WP:PIPING]] || "Trinity (wrestler)" -> "Stephanie Finochio"
|}
Beyond these, you have also suggested exceptions for the following:
*Common names
*Obscure aspects that may never get a full article
*Synonymous terms that are used more in one country than another
And you've made recent edits reflecting personal exceptions of your to the following:
*Synonymous terms generally
*Plurals
I don't understand the need for any of these later sets of exceptions and so you can either explain why they are needed/helpful or we can forget about them. In the meanwhile I see that yesterday and today have been busy days for you in terms of further violations of NOTBROKEN (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_28&diff=prev&oldid=557225773 "Alyattes II" -> "Alyattes of Lydia"; "Battle of Narvik" -> "Battles of Narvik"; "James McDougal" -> "Jim McDougal", etc., etc.]) which saddens me. Because I've asked you repeatedly to avoid making these kinds of edits while we're in discussion on this topic and because you've continued to make them in great numbers I hope you can understand my frustration with your behavior. I had really hoped to make this a quick ~1-month discussion but due to your prolonged absences and your flagrant rule violation when you are around, I've decided to drop a note at AN/I. I'm still hopeful that we can discuss this issue and make some of the proposals listed above, but because I'm not as free from now until September I feel as though we need some extra third-party attention on the situation. I hope we can get this situation resolved very quickly. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
:The AN/I thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke|here]]. Feel free to add your thoughts to the thread. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Well Thursday has come and gone and now Friday is almost over. I'm disappointed that you weren't able to find the time to discuss the proposals any further, and now I see that you've been given an indefinite block. As I said at the AN/I, this wasn't what I had requested but I do understand why the community saw fit to apply this remedy. I am still open to your thoughts on R2D exceptions but I can understand if you wish to end our conversation considering that you are no longer welcome to edit. Either way I do intend to make at least the three proposals listed above. I'm sorry that this whole mess ended the way it did. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

== HELP Keep a Social Media War off Wikipedia ==

There appears to be a Social Media War that has been brought here to Wikipedia, and negative info is being left on the [[Michelle Borth]] page that is not necessary.  You came to me a few years ago, explaining the boundaries of Wikipedia.  Well it appears that they are being broken on Michelle's page.  Any input, feedback would help.  This little war/argument has gone too far especially now that is being brought to other sites like Wikipedia.  This particular user is claiming I have no right to remove the negative info about Michelle, regardless of whether it is true or not, until it is discussed.  I feel that if me and this user attempted to discuss, it will get very heated, and you seem to really know ur way, I'd appreciate it [[User:Taker22|Taker22]] ([[User talk:Taker22|talk]]) 10:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

== Notice ==

Hello. There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke|Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke]].  <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. [[User:Ramaksoud2000|Ramaksoud2000]] <sup>([[User talk:Ramaksoud2000|Talk to me]])</sup>  23:34, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
*You're about to be blocked indefinitely. If I were you I'd be pleading my case at ANI. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 03:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review ''only''. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 22:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

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== When are you available to discuss the WP:NOTBROKEN exceptions? ==

Hi again TJ Spyke, sorry to keep bumping your talk page, but I'm concerned that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TJ_Spyke&diff=prev&oldid=554277627 my last post] may have gotten lost in the shuffle due to the changes in the message alert banner and since my post is no longer at the bottom of your page. Basically I'm wondering if you intend to continue with our discussions regarding exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN and, if so, I'm wondering when you'll be available to discuss. I'm not really interested in making this into a several-month-long project. Right now we have only a single exception that we both agree on. I've proposed two other based on violative edits of yours that happen to I agree with, and I assume we'd be in agreement on those but I'd like your feedback. I've also suggested that you need to clarify a number of the suggestions you'd made earlier. Do you intend to clarify those or should we just forget about them? I'm perfectly willing to make the proposal to alter the guidelines myself, but considering that ''you'' are the one who is constantly violating NOTBROKEN, I'm still hoping that you will be motivated to help me come up with a good set of exceptions. If you don't "buy into" and take some degree of ownership of the proposal yourself then I'm gravely concerned that you'll go back to your egregious violations the moment you think nobody is watching. Please let me know when you will be available to discuss this proposal. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:Tomorrow or Thur should be good for me. I've just been real busy with real life lately (only having a few mins at a time to even come on Wikipedia). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

OK so as I see it we've agreed to the following exception:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Exceptions
|-
! Exception
! Proposal
! Example
|-
| Spelling mistakes and capitalization errors || It's OK to change redirects to correct official spelling/capitalization. || Playstation -> PlayStation<br/>Nitnendo -> Nintendo
|}
And based on edits you've made that violate NOTBROKEN but that I agree with I've come up with the following two exceptions that I hope you'll give me input on:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+
|-
| Consistent consensus-based terminology || It's OK to alter redirects to unofficial alternate terms that reflect a community-determined term used in the interest of inter-article consistency. || videogame -> video game
|-
| Disambiguation pages || It's OK to replace a redirect link with a link to the actual page name on a disambiguation page per [[WP:PIPING]] || "Trinity (wrestler)" -> "Stephanie Finochio"
|}
Beyond these, you have also suggested exceptions for the following:
*Common names
*Obscure aspects that may never get a full article
*Synonymous terms that are used more in one country than another
And you've made recent edits reflecting personal exceptions of your to the following:
*Synonymous terms generally
*Plurals
I don't understand the need for any of these later sets of exceptions and so you can either explain why they are needed/helpful or we can forget about them. In the meanwhile I see that yesterday and today have been busy days for you in terms of further violations of NOTBROKEN (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_28&diff=prev&oldid=557225773 "Alyattes II" -> "Alyattes of Lydia"; "Battle of Narvik" -> "Battles of Narvik"; "James McDougal" -> "Jim McDougal", etc., etc.]) which saddens me. Because I've asked you repeatedly to avoid making these kinds of edits while we're in discussion on this topic and because you've continued to make them in great numbers I hope you can understand my frustration with your behavior. I had really hoped to make this a quick ~1-month discussion but due to your prolonged absences and your flagrant rule violation when you are around, I've decided to drop a note at AN/I. I'm still hopeful that we can discuss this issue and make some of the proposals listed above, but because I'm not as free from now until September I feel as though we need some extra third-party attention on the situation. I hope we can get this situation resolved very quickly. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
:The AN/I thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke|here]]. Feel free to add your thoughts to the thread. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Well Thursday has come and gone and now Friday is almost over. I'm disappointed that you weren't able to find the time to discuss the proposals any further, and now I see that you've been given an indefinite block. As I said at the AN/I, this wasn't what I had requested but I do understand why the community saw fit to apply this remedy. I am still open to your thoughts on R2D exceptions but I can understand if you wish to end our conversation considering that you are no longer welcome to edit. Either way I do intend to make at least the three proposals listed above. I'm sorry that this whole mess ended the way it did. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

== HELP Keep a Social Media War off Wikipedia ==

There appears to be a Social Media War that has been brought here to Wikipedia, and negative info is being left on the [[Michelle Borth]] page that is not necessary.  You came to me a few years ago, explaining the boundaries of Wikipedia.  Well it appears that they are being broken on Michelle's page.  Any input, feedback would help.  This little war/argument has gone too far especially now that is being brought to other sites like Wikipedia.  This particular user is claiming I have no right to remove the negative info about Michelle, regardless of whether it is true or not, until it is discussed.  I feel that if me and this user attempted to discuss, it will get very heated, and you seem to really know ur way, I'd appreciate it [[User:Taker22|Taker22]] ([[User talk:Taker22|talk]]) 10:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

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Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

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== HELP Keep a Social Media War off Wikipedia ==

There appears to be a Social Media War that has been brought here to Wikipedia, and negative info is being left on the [[Michelle Borth]] page that is not necessary.  You came to me a few years ago, explaining the boundaries of Wikipedia.  Well it appears that they are being broken on Michelle's page.  Any input, feedback would help.  This little war/argument has gone too far especially now that is being brought to other sites like Wikipedia.  This particular user is claiming I have no right to remove the negative info about Michelle, regardless of whether it is true or not, until it is discussed.  I feel that if me and this user attempted to discuss, it will get very heated, and you seem to really know ur way, I'd appreciate it [[User:Taker22|Taker22]] ([[User talk:Taker22|talk]]) 10:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

A rules clarification: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round ''after'' the break, but ''not'' the round before. The case in point is content promoted on 29/30 April, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 16:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

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== HELP Keep a Social Media War off Wikipedia ==

There appears to be a Social Media War that has been brought here to Wikipedia, and negative info is being left on the [[Michelle Borth]] page that is not necessary.  You came to me a few years ago, explaining the boundaries of Wikipedia.  Well it appears that they are being broken on Michelle's page.  Any input, feedback would help.  This little war/argument has gone too far especially now that is being brought to other sites like Wikipedia.  This particular user is claiming I have no right to remove the negative info about Michelle, regardless of whether it is true or not, until it is discussed.  I feel that if me and this user attempted to discuss, it will get very heated, and you seem to really know ur way, I'd appreciate it [[User:Taker22|Taker22]] ([[User talk:Taker22|talk]]) 10:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

A rules clarification: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round ''after'' the break, but ''not'' the round before. The case in point is content promoted on 29/30 April, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 16:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

A rules clarification: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round ''after'' the break, but ''not'' the round before. The case in point is content promoted on 29/30 April, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 16:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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== When are you available to discuss the WP:NOTBROKEN exceptions? ==

Hi again TJ Spyke, sorry to keep bumping your talk page, but I'm concerned that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TJ_Spyke&diff=prev&oldid=554277627 my last post] may have gotten lost in the shuffle due to the changes in the message alert banner and since my post is no longer at the bottom of your page. Basically I'm wondering if you intend to continue with our discussions regarding exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN and, if so, I'm wondering when you'll be available to discuss. I'm not really interested in making this into a several-month-long project. Right now we have only a single exception that we both agree on. I've proposed two other based on violative edits of yours that happen to I agree with, and I assume we'd be in agreement on those but I'd like your feedback. I've also suggested that you need to clarify a number of the suggestions you'd made earlier. Do you intend to clarify those or should we just forget about them? I'm perfectly willing to make the proposal to alter the guidelines myself, but considering that ''you'' are the one who is constantly violating NOTBROKEN, I'm still hoping that you will be motivated to help me come up with a good set of exceptions. If you don't "buy into" and take some degree of ownership of the proposal yourself then I'm gravely concerned that you'll go back to your egregious violations the moment you think nobody is watching. Please let me know when you will be available to discuss this proposal. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:Tomorrow or Thur should be good for me. I've just been real busy with real life lately (only having a few mins at a time to even come on Wikipedia). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

OK so as I see it we've agreed to the following exception:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Exceptions
|-
! Exception
! Proposal
! Example
|-
| Spelling mistakes and capitalization errors || It's OK to change redirects to correct official spelling/capitalization. || Playstation -> PlayStation<br/>Nitnendo -> Nintendo
|}
And based on edits you've made that violate NOTBROKEN but that I agree with I've come up with the following two exceptions that I hope you'll give me input on:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+
|-
| Consistent consensus-based terminology || It's OK to alter redirects to unofficial alternate terms that reflect a community-determined term used in the interest of inter-article consistency. || videogame -> video game
|-
| Disambiguation pages || It's OK to replace a redirect link with a link to the actual page name on a disambiguation page per [[WP:PIPING]] || "Trinity (wrestler)" -> "Stephanie Finochio"
|}
Beyond these, you have also suggested exceptions for the following:
*Common names
*Obscure aspects that may never get a full article
*Synonymous terms that are used more in one country than another
And you've made recent edits reflecting personal exceptions of your to the following:
*Synonymous terms generally
*Plurals
I don't understand the need for any of these later sets of exceptions and so you can either explain why they are needed/helpful or we can forget about them. In the meanwhile I see that yesterday and today have been busy days for you in terms of further violations of NOTBROKEN (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_28&diff=prev&oldid=557225773 "Alyattes II" -> "Alyattes of Lydia"; "Battle of Narvik" -> "Battles of Narvik"; "James McDougal" -> "Jim McDougal", etc., etc.]) which saddens me. Because I've asked you repeatedly to avoid making these kinds of edits while we're in discussion on this topic and because you've continued to make them in great numbers I hope you can understand my frustration with your behavior. I had really hoped to make this a quick ~1-month discussion but due to your prolonged absences and your flagrant rule violation when you are around, I've decided to drop a note at AN/I. I'm still hopeful that we can discuss this issue and make some of the proposals listed above, but because I'm not as free from now until September I feel as though we need some extra third-party attention on the situation. I hope we can get this situation resolved very quickly. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
:The AN/I thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke|here]]. Feel free to add your thoughts to the thread. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Well Thursday has come and gone and now Friday is almost over. I'm disappointed that you weren't able to find the time to discuss the proposals any further, and now I see that you've been given an indefinite block. As I said at the AN/I, this wasn't what I had requested but I do understand why the community saw fit to apply this remedy. I am still open to your thoughts on R2D exceptions but I can understand if you wish to end our conversation considering that you are no longer welcome to edit. Either way I do intend to make at least the three proposals listed above. I'm sorry that this whole mess ended the way it did. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

:Just to update you one this, I did make the proposal on my own for the three exceptions we'd come up with, but...
:#The spelling exception was determined not to really be an exception since it's already covered under Wikipedia's general rules regarding correct typography.
:#The "fixing" of disambiguation pages was found to actually violate [[WP:DABREDIR]], and
:#Consistent consensus-based terminology was considered to fit within the penumbra of "other reasons to make the change" from the text of the rule.
:The first two were quickly taken care of, but the third one took a little discussion and basically the end result was that the wording of WP:NOTBROKEN was changed a bit to clarify what is allowed and what isn't. I know this may come as cold comfort to you under your current editing restrictions, but perhaps it will cheer you to know that the problems that befell you will perhaps serve to help future editors better (more clearly) understand why "fixing" redirects is a mistake. Thanks for working with me a little to come up with the proposal. I do wish you had been more invested in a positive outcome here, but anyway that's all behind us now. Take care. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:27, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

== HELP Keep a Social Media War off Wikipedia ==

There appears to be a Social Media War that has been brought here to Wikipedia, and negative info is being left on the [[Michelle Borth]] page that is not necessary.  You came to me a few years ago, explaining the boundaries of Wikipedia.  Well it appears that they are being broken on Michelle's page.  Any input, feedback would help.  This little war/argument has gone too far especially now that is being brought to other sites like Wikipedia.  This particular user is claiming I have no right to remove the negative info about Michelle, regardless of whether it is true or not, until it is discussed.  I feel that if me and this user attempted to discuss, it will get very heated, and you seem to really know ur way, I'd appreciate it [[User:Taker22|Taker22]] ([[User talk:Taker22|talk]]) 10:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

== Notice ==

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

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== When are you available to discuss the WP:NOTBROKEN exceptions? ==

Hi again TJ Spyke, sorry to keep bumping your talk page, but I'm concerned that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TJ_Spyke&diff=prev&oldid=554277627 my last post] may have gotten lost in the shuffle due to the changes in the message alert banner and since my post is no longer at the bottom of your page. Basically I'm wondering if you intend to continue with our discussions regarding exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN and, if so, I'm wondering when you'll be available to discuss. I'm not really interested in making this into a several-month-long project. Right now we have only a single exception that we both agree on. I've proposed two other based on violative edits of yours that happen to I agree with, and I assume we'd be in agreement on those but I'd like your feedback. I've also suggested that you need to clarify a number of the suggestions you'd made earlier. Do you intend to clarify those or should we just forget about them? I'm perfectly willing to make the proposal to alter the guidelines myself, but considering that ''you'' are the one who is constantly violating NOTBROKEN, I'm still hoping that you will be motivated to help me come up with a good set of exceptions. If you don't "buy into" and take some degree of ownership of the proposal yourself then I'm gravely concerned that you'll go back to your egregious violations the moment you think nobody is watching. Please let me know when you will be available to discuss this proposal. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:Tomorrow or Thur should be good for me. I've just been real busy with real life lately (only having a few mins at a time to even come on Wikipedia). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

OK so as I see it we've agreed to the following exception:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Exceptions
|-
! Exception
! Proposal
! Example
|-
| Spelling mistakes and capitalization errors || It's OK to change redirects to correct official spelling/capitalization. || Playstation -> PlayStation<br/>Nitnendo -> Nintendo
|}
And based on edits you've made that violate NOTBROKEN but that I agree with I've come up with the following two exceptions that I hope you'll give me input on:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+
|-
| Consistent consensus-based terminology || It's OK to alter redirects to unofficial alternate terms that reflect a community-determined term used in the interest of inter-article consistency. || videogame -> video game
|-
| Disambiguation pages || It's OK to replace a redirect link with a link to the actual page name on a disambiguation page per [[WP:PIPING]] || "Trinity (wrestler)" -> "Stephanie Finochio"
|}
Beyond these, you have also suggested exceptions for the following:
*Common names
*Obscure aspects that may never get a full article
*Synonymous terms that are used more in one country than another
And you've made recent edits reflecting personal exceptions of your to the following:
*Synonymous terms generally
*Plurals
I don't understand the need for any of these later sets of exceptions and so you can either explain why they are needed/helpful or we can forget about them. In the meanwhile I see that yesterday and today have been busy days for you in terms of further violations of NOTBROKEN (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_28&diff=prev&oldid=557225773 "Alyattes II" -> "Alyattes of Lydia"; "Battle of Narvik" -> "Battles of Narvik"; "James McDougal" -> "Jim McDougal", etc., etc.]) which saddens me. Because I've asked you repeatedly to avoid making these kinds of edits while we're in discussion on this topic and because you've continued to make them in great numbers I hope you can understand my frustration with your behavior. I had really hoped to make this a quick ~1-month discussion but due to your prolonged absences and your flagrant rule violation when you are around, I've decided to drop a note at AN/I. I'm still hopeful that we can discuss this issue and make some of the proposals listed above, but because I'm not as free from now until September I feel as though we need some extra third-party attention on the situation. I hope we can get this situation resolved very quickly. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
:The AN/I thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke|here]]. Feel free to add your thoughts to the thread. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Well Thursday has come and gone and now Friday is almost over. I'm disappointed that you weren't able to find the time to discuss the proposals any further, and now I see that you've been given an indefinite block. As I said at the AN/I, this wasn't what I had requested but I do understand why the community saw fit to apply this remedy. I am still open to your thoughts on R2D exceptions but I can understand if you wish to end our conversation considering that you are no longer welcome to edit. Either way I do intend to make at least the three proposals listed above. I'm sorry that this whole mess ended the way it did. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

:Just to update you one this, I did make the proposal on my own for the three exceptions we'd come up with, but...
:#The spelling exception was determined not to really be an exception since it's already covered under Wikipedia's general rules regarding correct typography.
:#The "fixing" of disambiguation pages was found to actually violate [[WP:DABREDIR]], and
:#Consistent consensus-based terminology was considered to fit within the penumbra of "other reasons to make the change" from the text of the rule.
:The first two were quickly taken care of, but the third one took a little discussion and basically the end result was that the wording of WP:NOTBROKEN was changed a bit to clarify what is allowed and what isn't. I know this may come as cold comfort to you under your current editing restrictions, but perhaps it will cheer you to know that the problems that befell you will perhaps serve to help future editors better (more clearly) understand why "fixing" redirects is a mistake. Thanks for working with me a little to come up with the proposal. I do wish you had been more invested in a positive outcome here, but anyway that's all behind us now. Take care. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:27, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

== HELP Keep a Social Media War off Wikipedia ==

There appears to be a Social Media War that has been brought here to Wikipedia, and negative info is being left on the [[Michelle Borth]] page that is not necessary.  You came to me a few years ago, explaining the boundaries of Wikipedia.  Well it appears that they are being broken on Michelle's page.  Any input, feedback would help.  This little war/argument has gone too far especially now that is being brought to other sites like Wikipedia.  This particular user is claiming I have no right to remove the negative info about Michelle, regardless of whether it is true or not, until it is discussed.  I feel that if me and this user attempted to discuss, it will get very heated, and you seem to really know ur way, I'd appreciate it [[User:Taker22|Taker22]] ([[User talk:Taker22|talk]]) 10:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

A rules clarification: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round ''after'' the break, but ''not'' the round before. The case in point is content promoted on 29/30 April, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 16:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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== When are you available to discuss the WP:NOTBROKEN exceptions? ==

Hi again TJ Spyke, sorry to keep bumping your talk page, but I'm concerned that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TJ_Spyke&diff=prev&oldid=554277627 my last post] may have gotten lost in the shuffle due to the changes in the message alert banner and since my post is no longer at the bottom of your page. Basically I'm wondering if you intend to continue with our discussions regarding exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN and, if so, I'm wondering when you'll be available to discuss. I'm not really interested in making this into a several-month-long project. Right now we have only a single exception that we both agree on. I've proposed two other based on violative edits of yours that happen to I agree with, and I assume we'd be in agreement on those but I'd like your feedback. I've also suggested that you need to clarify a number of the suggestions you'd made earlier. Do you intend to clarify those or should we just forget about them? I'm perfectly willing to make the proposal to alter the guidelines myself, but considering that ''you'' are the one who is constantly violating NOTBROKEN, I'm still hoping that you will be motivated to help me come up with a good set of exceptions. If you don't "buy into" and take some degree of ownership of the proposal yourself then I'm gravely concerned that you'll go back to your egregious violations the moment you think nobody is watching. Please let me know when you will be available to discuss this proposal. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:Tomorrow or Thur should be good for me. I've just been real busy with real life lately (only having a few mins at a time to even come on Wikipedia). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

OK so as I see it we've agreed to the following exception:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Exceptions
|-
! Exception
! Proposal
! Example
|-
| Spelling mistakes and capitalization errors || It's OK to change redirects to correct official spelling/capitalization. || Playstation -> PlayStation<br/>Nitnendo -> Nintendo
|}
And based on edits you've made that violate NOTBROKEN but that I agree with I've come up with the following two exceptions that I hope you'll give me input on:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+
|-
| Consistent consensus-based terminology || It's OK to alter redirects to unofficial alternate terms that reflect a community-determined term used in the interest of inter-article consistency. || videogame -> video game
|-
| Disambiguation pages || It's OK to replace a redirect link with a link to the actual page name on a disambiguation page per [[WP:PIPING]] || "Trinity (wrestler)" -> "Stephanie Finochio"
|}
Beyond these, you have also suggested exceptions for the following:
*Common names
*Obscure aspects that may never get a full article
*Synonymous terms that are used more in one country than another
And you've made recent edits reflecting personal exceptions of your to the following:
*Synonymous terms generally
*Plurals
I don't understand the need for any of these later sets of exceptions and so you can either explain why they are needed/helpful or we can forget about them. In the meanwhile I see that yesterday and today have been busy days for you in terms of further violations of NOTBROKEN (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_28&diff=prev&oldid=557225773 "Alyattes II" -> "Alyattes of Lydia"; "Battle of Narvik" -> "Battles of Narvik"; "James McDougal" -> "Jim McDougal", etc., etc.]) which saddens me. Because I've asked you repeatedly to avoid making these kinds of edits while we're in discussion on this topic and because you've continued to make them in great numbers I hope you can understand my frustration with your behavior. I had really hoped to make this a quick ~1-month discussion but due to your prolonged absences and your flagrant rule violation when you are around, I've decided to drop a note at AN/I. I'm still hopeful that we can discuss this issue and make some of the proposals listed above, but because I'm not as free from now until September I feel as though we need some extra third-party attention on the situation. I hope we can get this situation resolved very quickly. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
:The AN/I thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke|here]]. Feel free to add your thoughts to the thread. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Well Thursday has come and gone and now Friday is almost over. I'm disappointed that you weren't able to find the time to discuss the proposals any further, and now I see that you've been given an indefinite block. As I said at the AN/I, this wasn't what I had requested but I do understand why the community saw fit to apply this remedy. I am still open to your thoughts on R2D exceptions but I can understand if you wish to end our conversation considering that you are no longer welcome to edit. Either way I do intend to make at least the three proposals listed above. I'm sorry that this whole mess ended the way it did. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

:Just to update you one this, I did make the proposal on my own for the three exceptions we'd come up with, but...
:#The spelling exception was determined not to really be an exception since it's already covered under Wikipedia's general rules regarding correct typography.
:#The "fixing" of disambiguation pages was found to actually violate [[WP:DABREDIR]], and
:#Consistent consensus-based terminology was considered to fit within the penumbra of "other reasons to make the change" from the text of the rule.
:The first two were quickly taken care of, but the third one took a little discussion and basically the end result was that the wording of WP:NOTBROKEN was changed a bit to clarify what is allowed and what isn't. I know this may come as cold comfort to you under your current editing restrictions, but perhaps it will cheer you to know that the problems that befell you will perhaps serve to help future editors better (more clearly) understand why "fixing" redirects is a mistake. Thanks for working with me a little to come up with the proposal. I do wish you had been more invested in a positive outcome here, but anyway that's all behind us now. Take care. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:27, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

== HELP Keep a Social Media War off Wikipedia ==

There appears to be a Social Media War that has been brought here to Wikipedia, and negative info is being left on the [[Michelle Borth]] page that is not necessary.  You came to me a few years ago, explaining the boundaries of Wikipedia.  Well it appears that they are being broken on Michelle's page.  Any input, feedback would help.  This little war/argument has gone too far especially now that is being brought to other sites like Wikipedia.  This particular user is claiming I have no right to remove the negative info about Michelle, regardless of whether it is true or not, until it is discussed.  I feel that if me and this user attempted to discuss, it will get very heated, and you seem to really know ur way, I'd appreciate it [[User:Taker22|Taker22]] ([[User talk:Taker22|talk]]) 10:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

== Notice ==

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== WikiCup 2013 March newsletter ==

We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Miyagawa}} (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with [[Wikipedia:WikiWomen's History Month|WikiWomen's History Month]]. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist [[Niels Bohr]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Hawkeye7}}), on the [[European hare]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}}), on the constellation [[Circinus (constellation)|Circinus]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Keilana}} and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}}) and on the [[Third Epistle of John]] ({{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cerebellum}}). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April|wikification drive]]. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such [[Wikipedia:WikiGnome|gnomish]] work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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== When are you available to discuss the WP:NOTBROKEN exceptions? ==

Hi again TJ Spyke, sorry to keep bumping your talk page, but I'm concerned that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TJ_Spyke&diff=prev&oldid=554277627 my last post] may have gotten lost in the shuffle due to the changes in the message alert banner and since my post is no longer at the bottom of your page. Basically I'm wondering if you intend to continue with our discussions regarding exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN and, if so, I'm wondering when you'll be available to discuss. I'm not really interested in making this into a several-month-long project. Right now we have only a single exception that we both agree on. I've proposed two other based on violative edits of yours that happen to I agree with, and I assume we'd be in agreement on those but I'd like your feedback. I've also suggested that you need to clarify a number of the suggestions you'd made earlier. Do you intend to clarify those or should we just forget about them? I'm perfectly willing to make the proposal to alter the guidelines myself, but considering that ''you'' are the one who is constantly violating NOTBROKEN, I'm still hoping that you will be motivated to help me come up with a good set of exceptions. If you don't "buy into" and take some degree of ownership of the proposal yourself then I'm gravely concerned that you'll go back to your egregious violations the moment you think nobody is watching. Please let me know when you will be available to discuss this proposal. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:Tomorrow or Thur should be good for me. I've just been real busy with real life lately (only having a few mins at a time to even come on Wikipedia). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

OK so as I see it we've agreed to the following exception:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Exceptions
|-
! Exception
! Proposal
! Example
|-
| Spelling mistakes and capitalization errors || It's OK to change redirects to correct official spelling/capitalization. || Playstation -> PlayStation<br/>Nitnendo -> Nintendo
|}
And based on edits you've made that violate NOTBROKEN but that I agree with I've come up with the following two exceptions that I hope you'll give me input on:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+
|-
| Consistent consensus-based terminology || It's OK to alter redirects to unofficial alternate terms that reflect a community-determined term used in the interest of inter-article consistency. || videogame -> video game
|-
| Disambiguation pages || It's OK to replace a redirect link with a link to the actual page name on a disambiguation page per [[WP:PIPING]] || "Trinity (wrestler)" -> "Stephanie Finochio"
|}
Beyond these, you have also suggested exceptions for the following:
*Common names
*Obscure aspects that may never get a full article
*Synonymous terms that are used more in one country than another
And you've made recent edits reflecting personal exceptions of your to the following:
*Synonymous terms generally
*Plurals
I don't understand the need for any of these later sets of exceptions and so you can either explain why they are needed/helpful or we can forget about them. In the meanwhile I see that yesterday and today have been busy days for you in terms of further violations of NOTBROKEN (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_28&diff=prev&oldid=557225773 "Alyattes II" -> "Alyattes of Lydia"; "Battle of Narvik" -> "Battles of Narvik"; "James McDougal" -> "Jim McDougal", etc., etc.]) which saddens me. Because I've asked you repeatedly to avoid making these kinds of edits while we're in discussion on this topic and because you've continued to make them in great numbers I hope you can understand my frustration with your behavior. I had really hoped to make this a quick ~1-month discussion but due to your prolonged absences and your flagrant rule violation when you are around, I've decided to drop a note at AN/I. I'm still hopeful that we can discuss this issue and make some of the proposals listed above, but because I'm not as free from now until September I feel as though we need some extra third-party attention on the situation. I hope we can get this situation resolved very quickly. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
:The AN/I thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke|here]]. Feel free to add your thoughts to the thread. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Well Thursday has come and gone and now Friday is almost over. I'm disappointed that you weren't able to find the time to discuss the proposals any further, and now I see that you've been given an indefinite block. As I said at the AN/I, this wasn't what I had requested but I do understand why the community saw fit to apply this remedy. I am still open to your thoughts on R2D exceptions but I can understand if you wish to end our conversation considering that you are no longer welcome to edit. Either way I do intend to make at least the three proposals listed above. I'm sorry that this whole mess ended the way it did. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

:Just to update you one this, I did make the proposal on my own for the three exceptions we'd come up with, but...
:#The spelling exception was determined not to really be an exception since it's already covered under Wikipedia's general rules regarding correct typography.
:#The "fixing" of disambiguation pages was found to actually violate [[WP:DABREDIR]], and
:#Consistent consensus-based terminology was considered to fit within the penumbra of "other reasons to make the change" from the text of the rule.
:The first two were quickly taken care of, but the third one took a little discussion and basically the end result was that the wording of WP:NOTBROKEN was changed a bit to clarify what is allowed and what isn't. I know this may come as cold comfort to you under your current editing restrictions, but perhaps it will cheer you to know that the problems that befell you will perhaps serve to help future editors better (more clearly) understand why "fixing" redirects is a mistake. Thanks for working with me a little to come up with the proposal. I do wish you had been more invested in a positive outcome here, but anyway that's all behind us now. Take care. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:27, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

== HELP Keep a Social Media War off Wikipedia ==

There appears to be a Social Media War that has been brought here to Wikipedia, and negative info is being left on the [[Michelle Borth]] page that is not necessary.  You came to me a few years ago, explaining the boundaries of Wikipedia.  Well it appears that they are being broken on Michelle's page.  Any input, feedback would help.  This little war/argument has gone too far especially now that is being brought to other sites like Wikipedia.  This particular user is claiming I have no right to remove the negative info about Michelle, regardless of whether it is true or not, until it is discussed.  I feel that if me and this user attempted to discuss, it will get very heated, and you seem to really know ur way, I'd appreciate it [[User:Taker22|Taker22]] ([[User talk:Taker22|talk]]) 10:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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== Question about cleanup process ==

Hi TJ Spyke, I noticed that you've been cleaning up numerous articles today and I was curious how you were doing it. Is it all by hand or do you use a program? Specifically I'm curious how you check the wikilinks. Are you testing each one individually or is there a tool you have that highlights all redirects? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:07, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:I use WPCleaner to check articles, but there are some edits that can't be made with it (like spellchecking, typos, etc.), so I then manually edit it after (essentially, I copy and paste the results from WPCleaner, then continue editing the article). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::OK thanks. Is WPCleaner something that you can download from a Wikimedia site/affiliate or should I just Google it if I want to find it? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 21:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Here you go: [[Wikipedia:WPCleaner]]. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 21:15, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
::::Great, cheers. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 22:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

*Hi, I'm sorry to say I've reverted your edit at the Derby Stallion article yet again. The links that you are "fixing" are indeed redirect links. And per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]], redirects within an article are not supposed to be changed so that they point to the target article instead. There are a number of reasons why this is harmful to Wikipedia and they're clearly spelled out under WP:NOTBROKEN. This has become a problem in the past with users accidentally abusing the Navigation popup tool to "fix" redirects as you're doing and the result was [[Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects|this page]]. This is actually the reason I was asking above what tool you were using. I was curious to see what other tools were being subjected to this kind of abuse. The WPCleaner talk page is filled with comments regarding users mistakenly "fixing" redirects (e.g. [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Why is this tool fixing redirects that aren't broken?|1]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2009#Please stop introducing bad links with Wikicleaner|2]], [[Wikipedia talk:WPCleaner/Archive 2011#Configurable font colours and styles|3]], and many more in the archives from 2008 and earlier).<br/>The thing is... ''I've already explained all of this to you in the past'' (see e.g. [[User talk:Thibbs/Archive 2#Music game|1]] and [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 29#"Fixing" Redirects|2]]). And I know you are aware of this issue because you have already [[User talk:TJ Spyke/Archive 30#Final warning regarding WP:NOTBROKEN|received a final warning on the subject]]. So I really don't see how what you are doing could be considered good faith editing. Your editing is contrary to the guidelines and you have been repeatedly told this and warned to stop. Normally I'd suggest trying to get the guidelines changed before carrying on in this way, but in this case from your block log it's clear to me that you've consciously decided to change matters unilaterally rather than by seeking consensus. For this reason I've requested administrative action. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:25, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:Wow, you did not read NOTBROKEN correctly '''at all'''. I have not been making the kinds of edits that got me into trouble before, I have been careful to only makes ones that follow the guidelines. I am sorry that you are not a good editor and dont like others making articles better, but stop vandalizing pages by reverting good edits. I am hesitant to give you a warning, but I will. Frankly, its people like you who are driving editors away from Wikipedia and preventing so many articles from being improved. Go away. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 00:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
::I don't react like this to new editors. I react this way to editors who have been editing here for 7-odd years and are among the top 400 most prolific editors and who have received a shocking number of warnings and frank blocks including an indef block. You obviously know better than to persist in these games but yet you continue. AGF only extends so far. You clearly have no regard for community guidelines founded on consensus and are only interested in your own editorial decisions. I'm sorry that you decided to take this route. It was a very poor decision on your part. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 01:54, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
:: Actually, {{diff2|550079123|this change}} to [[Derby Stallion (series)]] is full of unhelpful changes as per [[WP:NOTBROKEN]]. [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 09:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow, I see no unhelpful edits. I will not pretend 100% of my edits have been helpful, but ask any average editor and that change is nothing but helpful. And frankly, you shouldnt drive away good editors since fewer and fewer people are editing Wikipedia now. I also notice that I only get hounded when I mass edit articles, I dont get harassed when I only edit a few articles a day. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 20:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::: "It is likewise unhelpful to edit visible links for no reason other than to avoid redirects." [[User talk:Amalthea|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#832">Amalthea</span>]] 22:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
:::A great majority of your NOTBROKEN violations are harmful actually. Try actually reading [[WP:NOTBROKEN|the guideline]]. You might be surprised to discover that there are at least six explicitly listed reasons ''not'' to change (bypass) redirects. One obvious one is that you are whitewashing usage stats - an activity that is at best completely pointless. But more often it's not completely harmless. It's ''directly'' harmful because it obscures the need for new articles on topics that aren't covered and it hides more appropriate and thus needed page-moves.
:::How on earth could these violations be "nothing but helpful"? I can't think of a single way that they help. Correcting incorrect titles or misspelled words or redirect like that is one thing, but how does it help anybody if you change <nowiki>[[horse breaking]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[horse training]]</nowiki> (to take a random example from the Derby Stallion article)? It hides the fact that there is no article on horse breaking - a clearly distinct concept from horse training and it reduces the likelihood that anyone will write an article on horse breaking. In what world does that help in any way whatsoever? At very best it's a completely pointless time-wasting activity. And it's one that you have been warned over and over and over again to stop. Does the consensus of your fellow editor on this issue really matter so little to you that you are unwilling to put an end to this distinctly non-helpful activity? Does the possibility that you may get blocked for a 24th (!!!) time mean nothing to you? I hope I'm not overreacting here, but I find your conduct in this one trivial editorial area to be truly incomprehensible. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 00:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:I have been careful to avoid those types of link changes. How is changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3" doing any harm? There is never gonna be a "Playstation 3" article, ever. And in that Derby Stallion article, changing "PlayStation" to "PlayStation (console)" IS directly helpful and needed because the latter refers to the game system called PlayStation and the former refers to the general product line. Or changing links to "Famicom" to be "Nintendo Entertainment System|Famicom", there will never be a separate Famicom article because it's just the Japanese name of the NES. Sometimes I make mistakes (like with the horse breaking one), but I see it as vandalism when editors revert the whole edit instead of just specific link changes they see as bad. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Look I recognize that apart from this one issue (and I guess the 3RR stuff from your past that I think you've mostly stopped now) you are a good editor. And I also recognize that you're human and that you may make mistakes. But seeing as how you've made so many many mistakes in this one particular area I would seriously recommend avoiding it altogether. Just skimming the cleanups you've performed since you were last unblocked, it's apparent that the large majority of the redirect "fixes" you performed were potentially harmful. And a tiny minority of them are helpful in any way.
::Is there a reason you feel compelled to change the redirects? I assume it's not just to boost your edit count, right? But is it just because it looks ugly on WPCleaner? Or do you really think that this is somehow helpful? If you do think it is helpful then have you considered making the case to change the guidelines at WP:NOTBROKEN? Because there are only 2 listed exceptions to that guideline currently. I wouldn't say that this is a complete list of all good exceptions, though. Your example of changing "Playstation 3" to "PlayStation 3", for instance, seems to me to be correcting a misspelling (or really a mis-capitalization). And I think that this is helpful and that it should be listed as an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN.
::Why don't you and I try to come up with some exceptions that we could propose to the community together to improve the guidelines so that you're not constantly violating them? If you could come up with a reason why [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tank!_Tank!_Tank!&diff=prev&oldid=550080071 changing "video arcade" to "amusement arcade"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_City_Soccer_Hooligans&diff=prev&oldid=550079892 changing "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System"] or how [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 changing "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior"] helps in any way then you could certainly make that suggestion as well. This would be a much much better way of approaching the problem than just ignoring everyone's warnings and getting banned over and over, don't you think? I'd be willing to help draft some proposed changes if you're willing to engage with me and explain why you feel compelled to violate this guideline. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
:That sounds good to me (and withe something like the Dragon Quest, it's because the series name in English was Dragon Warrior before the the Dragon Quest VIII. Amusement arcade and video arcade are essentially interchangeable terms like "pop" and "soda". As for Famicom, aren't we supposed to use English names of products if that is the best known name? Famicom is just the Japanese name of the NES, so I would think other WP policies supported changing them to NES). I've never bothered trying to have NOTBROKEN changed because I know from experience how hard it can be to have policies on Wikipedia changed. Maybe later today or something we can start working on this together to propose changes that seem like common sense to most people. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 16:20, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks. I'm encouraged by your attitude. I think we should discuss this thoroughly between us here before proposing anything so that we're clear in our arguments. It's OK if we disagree too, since we can propose changes individually to be accepted piecemeal rather than only as a single package. Anyway here are my thoughts on what you've said just above:
::Like the term "video arcade", the other two are also examples of synonymous terms: Dragon Warrior is the North American term whereas the English term is actually Dragon Quest (the same is true for all European countries and Japan actually); Famicom is the original Japanese name for the NES. According to NOTBROKEN (point 6), the use of a synonymous redirect term provides useful information relating to usage of the term which can be considered as evidence for renaming the article. By systematically changing these links to the current non-redirect title, you are manipulating the usage statistics. As an example: it might be that the term "Dragon Quest" is better known than "Dragon Warrior", but because you'd have changed all of the "Dragon Quest" redirects into "Dragon Warrior," you would have eradicated this information and we would get a false impression that "Dragon Warrior" was the most commonly used term when in reality it was only the most commonly used because the statistics had been manipulated. If you don't like that example, try imagining the reverse. Imagine someone who called the game "Dragon Quest" trying to make the case that the article should be renamed. So first he would change all the links to redirects and then point to the incoming links as evidence that everyone calls it Dragon Quest. You can see how that would be a problem, right? I think what NOTBROKEN is saying is that it's safest if we rely on the ''real'' usage statistics by refraining from changing synonymous terms. They are synonyms, after all, so the meaning is identical, right?
::But I think you might have a point if your central concern was consistency. There have been large discussions in the past regarding whether or not Wikipedia should preferentially use the term "Sega Genesis" or "Master Drive" for example. I'm sure the same could exist for terms from popular consumer products like "Famicom/NES" or "Dragon Quest/Warrior" as well. If there has been a community discussion where one term was decided as the preferred term then I think you could make the case that perhaps it would be a good idea to use a single term in the interest of consistency. Does that sound like it might be the core of your argument for these words? Or do you instead find a problem with NOTBROKEN's argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics?
::Another redirect dodge I was hoping you could explain is when you changed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]. These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN's argument that "Shortcuts or redirects to sections of articles ... should ''never'' be bypassed, as the section headings on the page may change over time [and] Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links" (point 4; emphasis and ellipses added). So you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi TJ Spyke. Just checking in again. What's happening now? Why has this conversation stalled? Have you had a chance to read what I just wrote above? I noticed that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_government&diff=550749240&oldid=549407257 you've again resumed with the NOTBROKEN violations (swapping "United States of America" for "United States")]. I don't think it's too much to ask that you '''completely refrain''' from this kind of edit until we've finished discussing our plans for how to present our argument at [[Wikipedia talk:Redirect]]. You are violating the guidelines when you make this kind of edit and you've been asked to stop over and over again. Please help me come up with some exceptions that we can present for consensus instead of just continuing to stubbornly violate the guidelines and hope that I'll go away. I won't. I really want to work ''with'' you here, but if I see it again I will bring it to AN/I. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:Um, I didnt do anything wrong with United States. It's the common name of the country and what everyone writes (hell, even the article uses the name) and I know that did NOT violate any rule. Frankly, saying that deleting two words so it uses the common name is wrong, is like saying you can't edit a article to fix a spelling mistake. Might as well freeze all editing. Did I somehow violate it in another article when I changed <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox]|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[MLB on Fox|Major League Baseball]]</nowiki>? Anyways, i've been busy. But im free now. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::Repairing broken wikilinks is not a violation of NOTBROKEN, but changing from one synonymous term (like the official name of a country) to another synonymous term (like the common name for a country) for the same target article is definitely a violation of NOTBROKEN. I don't mean this to sound rude, but you have to accept the fact that your judgment on whether or not a redirect "fix" violates NOTBROKEN is clearly quite poor. I strongly urge you to avoid making those kinds of edits even if you are certain that you're in the right because you are obviously unable to differentiate between violations and non-violations. Anyway I'm glad to hear that you're free now and I'm eager to get to work on the exceptions. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
:Regarding Dragon Warrior/Quest, it is not true that Quest was common in European countries. The first game in the series even RELEASED in Europe was [[Dragon Warrior Monsters]] in 1999 (where it used "Warrior"), they didnt get another one until [[Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King]] (which was when Square Enix FIRST used the "Quest" name outside of Japan). So considering that for almost 20 years the only English name of the series was "Warrior", it makes sense for the ones released with the Warrior name to use that. As for exceptions to NOTBROKEN:
*I think fixing spelling mistakes and capitalization (i.e. Playstation to PlayStation) are good ones that are not controversial.
*Hmmm, maybe switching some to the most common name can be OK (though within the right context)
*Sometimes things will never get an article. I.e. a character who appeared once on a TV show 20 years ago will probably never get an article as they are not notable enough, but they might have an entry in a article about characters from that show. Is it a problem to change a link to that section specifically?
*If a product is released under one name in most of the world, shouldn't it be OK to write that as the name? I.e. NES/Famicom. Famicom is the Japanese name of the system, but they are still the same system. Doesn't it make sense to change the links to NES? It's especially ridiculous when some articles say a game was released on the NES and Famicom (implying they are different).

Maybe others, but these are off the top of my head. '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 15:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
::All PAL versions of the main series are called "Dragon Quest," but that's quite beside the point. The point is that these are synonymous terms and "fixing" them to avoid the redirect violates NOTBROKEN point #6. Unless there has been a discussion leading to a consistency-based preference for one term over the other, the term used by the first European spinoff title has no significance whatsoever and the redirect should not be altered. But this brings me to the question I asked last week:
::*Is switching "Dragon Quest" to "Dragon Warrior" (or "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System", etc.) something that you have been doing in the interest of inter-article ''consistency''? Is that the core of your argument? Or do you simply reject NOTBROKEN's point #6 (i.e. the argument based on the dangers of manipulating usage statistics)?
::And as long as I'm re-asking questions from last week,...
::*Could you explain your thought process behind changing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Enix_home_computer_games&diff=prev&oldid=550079720 "Run and gun (video game)" to "Shoot 'em up#Run and gun" and "Metroidvania" to "Platform game#Platform-adventure_games"]? These redirects seem to directly conflict with NOTBROKEN point #4 (described in last week's comment above). Do you you think this part of NOTBROKEN should be removed/altered, or were these edits intended as exceptions which we could add to the list of exceptions?
::Regarding your exceptions, I agree strongly with the first one (spelling & capitalization). That's definitely going into the final draft of our proposal. I also think that the alteration of redirect terms to reflect a consistent consensus-based terminology (if indeed such a consensus exists) is a good idea. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.
::The other three points you bring up are kind of confusing for me. I don't really think you've presented any argument for making them into exceptions. Basically your reasoning appears to boil down to "Let's make these into exceptions, because why not?" The problem with this is that NOTBROKEN is a consensus-based guideline. Nobody would take us seriously if we proposed exceptions to it without actually giving concrete reasons why the exceptions are needed. The answer to your "is it a problem?" and "shouldn't it be OK?" questions above would be answered by the editors at NOTBROKEN with "Yes it's a problem (see point #4), and no it's not OK (see point #6)." These are consensus-based views on those exact topics.
::To create an exception we can't just ignore consensus. We have to find a reason that the consensus view is too broad and that in narrowly definable situations the general rules at NOTBROKEN should be excepted. Then we have to convince others based on solid reasoning. If there is no way to distinguish the area to which the rule applies from the area to which the exception applies then we have to propose knocking down part of the rules which will be a much more difficult task and will absolutely require ironclad arguments, not just "why not?" In addition to answering the questions I bulleted above, could you please try to think of specific reasons why we ''need'' (or how it would be helpful to have) an exception for common names, obscure aspects, and synonymous terms? -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 16:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi again TJ Spyke.
What is your schedule like? Are you going to have any free time in the next few weeks? I'd like to move forward with our plans regarding the development of a few more exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN. It's been nearly a month since we began talking about this, but if we're to move this forward we have to actually discuss it. I don't want to do this without your help. In fact most of my interest in getting this done is to help editors like you who seem to have problems with the current guidelines. Is this something that still interests you? When will you be available to answer questions like those I asked in the last post? Please don't just leave me hanging here. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 12:28, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Well while I'm waiting for word from you on some kind of timeframe I noticed that you'd performed a few more redirect "fixes" since I last asked you to stop and I can report that I agree most of them. But edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trinity_%28disambiguation%29&diff=prev&oldid=552940972 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Berkowitz&diff=prev&oldid=553412038 this] suggest further exceptions to the rule. From the first of those two links (relinking to the actual page name on a dab page), I think this brings up a good point - that we should add an exception for disambiguation pages per [[WP:PIPING]]. The second one (changing a link to a plural term into a link to the singular) looks like just another "fix" for reasons of your own. Can you explain that change? Was there a reason you decided to again violate NOTBROKEN in that case? For all I know there may be policy/guideline supporting that edit but if so then this suggests another good exception. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 11:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

== WikiCup 2013 April newsletter ==

We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sven Manguard}} claiming for the high-importance [[Portal:Sports]] and [[Portal:Geography]] (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Cwmhiraeth}} claiming for a did you know of [[sea]], the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Casliber}} and second place {{Wikipedia:WikiCup/Participant4|Sturmvogel_66}} both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of ''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|The Signpost]]'' is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

A rules clarification: content promoted between rounds can be claimed in the round ''after'' the break, but ''not'' the round before. The case in point is content promoted on 29/30 April, which may be claimed in this round. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews]]. Questions are welcome on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiCup]], and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! <small>If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from [[Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send]].</small> [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/J Milburn|email]]) and [[User:The ed17|The ed17]] ([[User talk:The ed17|talk]] • [[Special:Emailuser/The ed17|email]]) 16:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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== When are you available to discuss the WP:NOTBROKEN exceptions? ==

Hi again TJ Spyke, sorry to keep bumping your talk page, but I'm concerned that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TJ_Spyke&diff=prev&oldid=554277627 my last post] may have gotten lost in the shuffle due to the changes in the message alert banner and since my post is no longer at the bottom of your page. Basically I'm wondering if you intend to continue with our discussions regarding exceptions to WP:NOTBROKEN and, if so, I'm wondering when you'll be available to discuss. I'm not really interested in making this into a several-month-long project. Right now we have only a single exception that we both agree on. I've proposed two other based on violative edits of yours that happen to I agree with, and I assume we'd be in agreement on those but I'd like your feedback. I've also suggested that you need to clarify a number of the suggestions you'd made earlier. Do you intend to clarify those or should we just forget about them? I'm perfectly willing to make the proposal to alter the guidelines myself, but considering that ''you'' are the one who is constantly violating NOTBROKEN, I'm still hoping that you will be motivated to help me come up with a good set of exceptions. If you don't "buy into" and take some degree of ownership of the proposal yourself then I'm gravely concerned that you'll go back to your egregious violations the moment you think nobody is watching. Please let me know when you will be available to discuss this proposal. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 18:04, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
:Tomorrow or Thur should be good for me. I've just been real busy with real life lately (only having a few mins at a time to even come on Wikipedia). '''<span style="border: 2px Maroon solid;background:#4682B4;font-family: Monotype Corsiva">[[User:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">TJ</span>]] [[User talk:TJ Spyke|<span style="color:Maroon;">Spyke</span>]]</span>''' 19:31, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

OK so as I see it we've agreed to the following exception:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+ Exceptions
|-
! Exception
! Proposal
! Example
|-
| Spelling mistakes and capitalization errors || It's OK to change redirects to correct official spelling/capitalization. || Playstation -> PlayStation<br/>Nitnendo -> Nintendo
|}
And based on edits you've made that violate NOTBROKEN but that I agree with I've come up with the following two exceptions that I hope you'll give me input on:
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;"
|+
|-
| Consistent consensus-based terminology || It's OK to alter redirects to unofficial alternate terms that reflect a community-determined term used in the interest of inter-article consistency. || videogame -> video game
|-
| Disambiguation pages || It's OK to replace a redirect link with a link to the actual page name on a disambiguation page per [[WP:PIPING]] || "Trinity (wrestler)" -> "Stephanie Finochio"
|}
Beyond these, you have also suggested exceptions for the following:
*Common names
*Obscure aspects that may never get a full article
*Synonymous terms that are used more in one country than another
And you've made recent edits reflecting personal exceptions of your to the following:
*Synonymous terms generally
*Plurals
I don't understand the need for any of these later sets of exceptions and so you can either explain why they are needed/helpful or we can forget about them. In the meanwhile I see that yesterday and today have been busy days for you in terms of further violations of NOTBROKEN (e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_28&diff=prev&oldid=557225773 "Alyattes II" -> "Alyattes of Lydia"; "Battle of Narvik" -> "Battles of Narvik"; "James McDougal" -> "Jim McDougal", etc., etc.]) which saddens me. Because I've asked you repeatedly to avoid making these kinds of edits while we're in discussion on this topic and because you've continued to make them in great numbers I hope you can understand my frustration with your behavior. I had really hoped to make this a quick ~1-month discussion but due to your prolonged absences and your flagrant rule violation when you are around, I've decided to drop a note at AN/I. I'm still hopeful that we can discuss this issue and make some of the proposals listed above, but because I'm not as free from now until September I feel as though we need some extra third-party attention on the situation. I hope we can get this situation resolved very quickly. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:52, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
:The AN/I thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke|here]]. Feel free to add your thoughts to the thread. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 13:54, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Well Thursday has come and gone and now Friday is almost over. I'm disappointed that you weren't able to find the time to discuss the proposals any further, and now I see that you've been given an indefinite block. As I said at the AN/I, this wasn't what I had requested but I do understand why the community saw fit to apply this remedy. I am still open to your thoughts on R2D exceptions but I can understand if you wish to end our conversation considering that you are no longer welcome to edit. Either way I do intend to make at least the three proposals listed above. I'm sorry that this whole mess ended the way it did. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 23:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

:Just to update you one this, I did make the proposal on my own for the three exceptions we'd come up with, but...
:#The spelling exception was determined not to really be an exception since it's already covered under Wikipedia's general rules regarding correct typography.
:#The "fixing" of disambiguation pages was found to actually violate [[WP:DABREDIR]], and
:#Consistent consensus-based terminology was considered to fit within the penumbra of "other reasons to make the change" from the text of the rule.
:The first two were quickly taken care of, but the third one took a little discussion and basically the end result was that the wording of WP:NOTBROKEN was changed a bit to clarify what is allowed and what isn't. I know this may come as cold comfort to you under your current editing restrictions, but perhaps it will cheer you to know that the problems that befell you will perhaps serve to help future editors better (more clearly) understand why "fixing" redirects is a mistake. Thanks for working with me a little to come up with the proposal. I do wish you had been more invested in a positive outcome here, but anyway that's all behind us now. Take care. -[[User:Thibbs|Thibbs]] ([[User talk:Thibbs|talk]]) 17:27, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

== HELP Keep a Social Media War off Wikipedia ==

There appears to be a Social Media War that has been brought here to Wikipedia, and negative info is being left on the [[Michelle Borth]] page that is not necessary.  You came to me a few years ago, explaining the boundaries of Wikipedia.  Well it appears that they are being broken on Michelle's page.  Any input, feedback would help.  This little war/argument has gone too far especially now that is being brought to other sites like Wikipedia.  This particular user is claiming I have no right to remove the negative info about Michelle, regardless of whether it is true or not, until it is discussed.  I feel that if me and this user attempted to discuss, it will get very heated, and you seem to really know ur way, I'd appreciate it [[User:Taker22|Taker22]] ([[User talk:Taker22|talk]]) 10:44, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

== Notice ==

Hello. There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke|Continual redirect problems by User:TJ Spyke]].  <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. [[User:Ramaksoud2000|Ramaksoud2000]] <sup>([[User talk:Ramaksoud2000|Talk to me]])</sup>  23:34, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
*You're about to be blocked indefinitely. If I were you I'd be pleading my case at ANI. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 03:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)