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RyRy has asked me to copyedit. I'm ignorant about baseball and my American isn't fluent, so please watch out for errors. I've also added some "xxxxx"s where the information is really needed, but I don't know it, and some hidden comments where I was unsure about something. Please help the Limey. Thanks --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 09:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
What does the line "and its details" mean in the lead? It being what? [[Special:Contributions/144.175.17.179|144.175.17.179]] ([[User talk:144.175.17.179|talk]]) 15:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:It means the uniform's logos, colors, ect.--[[User:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]] ♠ [[WP:IFY|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">wikify</font>]]''''') 17:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
::Then clarify cuz it makes no sense. [[Special:Contributions/144.175.18.115|144.175.18.115]] ([[User talk:144.175.18.115|talk]]) 18:36, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:::{{done}}--[[User:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]] ♠ [[WP:IFY|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">wikify</font>]]''''') 18:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


== Copyright infringement ==


(This is from another person. "American" is supposed to be "English." Just to let you know! ;-D) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.37.162.68|68.37.162.68]] ([[User talk:68.37.162.68|talk]]) 22:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Some sections of the article appears to be a [[WP:C|copyright infringement]] of http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ (cited as a reference), see [http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=Between+1900+and+1915%2C+a+popular+alternative+to+the+gray-colored+traveling+uniforms%2C+was+a+solid+dark+blue+or+black+material+with+white+relief%2C+often+a+%22negative%22+image+of+their+home+whites.+Although+black+and+white+photography+may+conceal+earlier+examples%2C+the+color+tan+was+introduced+on+the+Brooklyn+Dodgers%27+1937+road+uniforms+%28to+complement+the+kelly+green+trim%29.+Charles+O.+Finley%27s+Kansas+City+Athletics+in+1963+challenged+the+entire+tradition+of+home+and+road+uniform+colors+with+a+gold+and+green+combination.+By+the+1970s%2C+light+blue+was+in+common+use+in+place+of+the+gray+color+on+road+uniforms&btnG=Recherche+Google&meta= 1], [http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=Home+uniforms+for+all+clubs+at+the+turn+of+the+19th+century+were+white%2C+while+road+uniforms+were+either+gray+or+a+darker+hue.+The+Brooklyn+club+was+yet+more+daring+with+a+fine+blue+%22cross-hatch%22+pattern+on+their+1907+road+uniforms.+This+%22checked%22+effect+would+be+used+a+few+years+later+by+the+then+New+York+Giants+and+again+by+Brooklyn+%28with+wider+spacing%29+on+several+occasions.%5B6%5D+The+more+widely+spaced+uniforms%2C+with+more+visible+pinstriping%2C+first+appeared+on+several+major+league+team+uniforms+in+1912.+In+1916%2C+the+Giants+added+an+almost+%22plaid%22+effect+with+a+crossing+of+multiple+fine+lines+of+purple.&btnG=Recherche+Google&meta= 2], and of ezinearticles.com (a blacklisted site), see [http://www.google.fr/search?q=The+Knickerbockers'+uniform+was+characterized+by+a+white+flannel+shirt%2C+wool+pants+and+straw+hat.%5B3%5D+From+1880+to+1890%2C+colors+and+designs+of+baseball+uniforms+were+changed+and+altered+from+the+style.+In+1882%2C+players'+uniforms+became+multi-colored+depending+on+the+player's+position%2C+using+stockings+to+identify+the+player+and%2For+teammate.%5B4%5D+It+was+in+1888+and+1889+that+three+major+teams%2C+the+Detroit+Wolverines+and+Washington+Nationals+of+the+National+League+and+the+Brooklyn+Bridegrooms+of+the+American+Association%2C+decided+to+include+stripes+on+their+uniforms&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&client=firefox-a 3]. The copyrights of both sites are incompatible with a use on Wikipedia. There is also an entire section from [[Baseball cap]], and we can't exclude other copyright infringements. Maybe this should go to [[WP:CP]]. <strong><span style="font-family:Monotype;">[[User:Cenarium|<font color="#000080">Cena</font><font color="#1560bd">rium</font>]][[User_talk:Cenarium|<font color="#000090"> '''(talk)'''</font>]]</span></strong> 17:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:I'll try to find some time later this afternoon to copyedit the article to remove copyright issues. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] ([[User talk:Kingturtle|talk]]) 17:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::I gave it a shot. Fix anything I did. Revert if it wasn't helpful. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] ([[User talk:Kingturtle|talk]]) 19:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Revert it ? Oh no, it was certainly helpful and well done. I also tried to fix a sentence in the Graphics section that was copied from the baseball-almanac.com source. <strong><span style="font-family:Monotype;">[[User:Cenarium|<font color="#000080">Cena</font><font color="#1560bd">rium</font>]][[User_talk:Cenarium|<font color="#000090"> '''(talk)'''</font>]]</span></strong> 20:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::::What about the copy from [[baseball cap]] ? Is it enough to indicate it, is it compliant with the GFDL ? <strong><span style="font-family:Monotype;">[[User:Cenarium|<font color="#000080">Cena</font><font color="#1560bd">rium</font>]][[User_talk:Cenarium|<font color="#000090"> '''(talk)'''</font>]]</span></strong> 20:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I checked further, and there are other copyright violation of the almanac source and others (baseball.mu) disseminated in the article. Sorry but I am completely ignorant in this domain, so I prefer not try to fix it myself, that wouldn't be helpful I guess. For example, the Stockings section [http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=In+1900%2C+stockings+were+made+of+heavy+wool.+They+were+of+one-piece+full-length+%28above+the+knee%29+construction.+The+stirrup+stocking%2C+separate+from+the+%E2%80%9Csanitary%E2%80%9D+foot+stocking%2C+first+came+into+usage+in+about+1905.+Striped+or+multi-tone+stirrup+stockings+became+widely+used+around+1910+and+less+common+only+a+few+years+later.&btnG=Recherche+Google&meta= 4], the shoes section [http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=Sporting+goods+companies+began+manufacturing+shoes+specifically+designed+for+the+new+surface+of+playing+fields.+The+soles+of+shoes+had+numerous+small+rubber+bumps+on+them+that+provided+good+traction+without+harming+the+artificial+turf.+&btnG=Rechercher&meta= 5]. Those are copyrighted sites, not mirrors. <strong><span style="font-family:Monotype;">[[User:Cenarium|<font color="#000080">Cena</font><font color="#1560bd">rium</font>]][[User_talk:Cenarium|<font color="#000090"> '''(talk)'''</font>]]</span></strong> 20:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:I'll try to fix those issues myself, but any other help with be useful too. I'm sorry for the copyright problems here. I tried to reword it the best I can, but it seems it still a copyright problem. -- [[User:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]] ♠ [[Wikipedia:Editor review/RyRy5 2|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review</font>]]''''') 00:21, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::I recommend that you get ahold of Okkonen's ''Baseball Uniforms'' book. It will tell you everything you need to know about 20th century uniforms. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 21:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)


:Actually, it’s likely not. As he specified he was a “[[Limey]],” he was likely jocularly referring to the “American language” pointing out his lack of native facility in an [[American English|Am.E. variety]]. —[[User talk:Wiki Wikardo|Wiki Wikardo]] 21:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
== Infobox Availability? ==


== American English ==
Is there possibly an infobox we can add to the article? I can't seem to find the right one myself. If one is found, either show it here or add it to [[Baseball uniform|the article]]. Thank you. -- [[User:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]]''''') 02:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

:Checked [[WP:IBT]], as far as I can tell none are appropriate. '''''[[User:RC-0722|<font color="#CC5500">RC-0722</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/RC-0722|<font color="#0000FF">247.5</font>]]</sup>/[[User talk:RC-0722|<font color="#FF0000">1</font>]]''''' 02:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::How would you have an infobox for a standalone article? And what would it contain? [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 03:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Would you really consider the shoes and glove as part of the uniform? I’d think of those things more as part of the “kit.” [[User talk:Wiki Wikardo|Wiki Wikardo]] 21:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
:More like "equipment". [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 23:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Not a clue. Should I work on one? '''''[[User:RC-0722|<font color="#CC5500">RC-0722</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/RC-0722|<font color="#0000FF">247.5</font>]]</sup>/[[User talk:RC-0722|<font color="#FF0000">1</font>]]''''' 03:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::::I don't see the point. Do other styles of clothing have infoboxes? [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 03:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
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:::::As far as I know, no. Was wondering, do FAs and GAs ''have to have'' infoboxes?--[[User:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]]''''') 03:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

::::::Nope and nope. '''''[[User:RC-0722|<font color="#CC5500">RC-0722</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/RC-0722|<font color="#0000FF">247.5</font>]]</sup>/[[User talk:RC-0722|<font color="#FF0000">1</font>]]''''' 03:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
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:::::::Then none is needed, especially if no one has a clue as to what info would be in it. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 03:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

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RyRy has asked me to copyedit. I'm ignorant about baseball and my American isn't fluent, so please watch out for errors. I've also added some "xxxxx"s where the information is really needed, but I don't know it, and some hidden comments where I was unsure about something. Please help the Limey. Thanks --Dweller (talk) 09:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


(This is from another person. "American" is supposed to be "English." Just to let you know! ;-D) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.162.68 (talk) 22:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it’s likely not. As he specified he was a “Limey,” he was likely jocularly referring to the “American language” pointing out his lack of native facility in an Am.E. variety. —Wiki Wikardo 21:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Would you really consider the shoes and glove as part of the uniform? I’d think of those things more as part of the “kit.” —Wiki Wikardo 21:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More like "equipment". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots23:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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