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Did you know... that the Knickerbocker Baseball Club of New York used the first recorded baseball uniform in 1849?

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RyRy has asked me to copyedit. I'm ignorant about baseball and my American isn't fluent, so please watch out for errors. I've also added some "xxxxx"s where the information is really needed, but I don't know it, and some hidden comments where I was unsure about something. Please help the Limey. Thanks --Dweller (talk) 09:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(This is from another person. "American" is supposed to be "English." Just to let you know! ;-D) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.37.162.68 (talk) 22:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it’s likely not. As he specified he was a “Limey,” he was likely jocularly referring to the “American language” pointing out his lack of native facility in an Am.E. variety. —Wiki Wikardo 21:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Would you really consider the shoes and glove as part of the uniform? I’d think of those things more as part of the “kit.” —Wiki Wikardo 21:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More like "equipment". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Details ==
+== Copyedit ==
+RyRy has asked me to copyedit. I'm ignorant about baseball and my American isn't fluent, so please watch out for errors. I've also added some "xxxxx"s where the information is really needed, but I don't know it, and some hidden comments where I was unsure about something. Please help the Limey. Thanks --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) 09:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
-What does the line "and its details" mean in the lead?  It being what? [[Special:Contributions/144.175.17.179|144.175.17.179]] ([[User talk:144.175.17.179|talk]]) 15:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
-:It means the uniform's logos, colors, ect.--[[User:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]] ♠ [[WP:IFY|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">wikify</font>]]''''') 17:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
-::Then clarify cuz it makes no sense. [[Special:Contributions/144.175.18.115|144.175.18.115]] ([[User talk:144.175.18.115|talk]]) 18:36, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
-:::{{done}}--[[User:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]] ♠ [[WP:IFY|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">wikify</font>]]''''') 18:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
-== Copyright infringement  ==
+(This is from another person. "American" is supposed to be "English." Just to let you know! ;-D)  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.37.162.68|68.37.162.68]] ([[User talk:68.37.162.68|talk]]) 22:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-Some sections of the article appears to be a [[WP:C|copyright infringement]] of http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ (cited as a reference), see [http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=Between+1900+and+1915%2C+a+popular+alternative+to+the+gray-colored+traveling+uniforms%2C+was+a+solid+dark+blue+or+black+material+with+white+relief%2C+often+a+%22negative%22+image+of+their+home+whites.+Although+black+and+white+photography+may+conceal+earlier+examples%2C+the+color+tan+was+introduced+on+the+Brooklyn+Dodgers%27+1937+road+uniforms+%28to+complement+the+kelly+green+trim%29.+Charles+O.+Finley%27s+Kansas+City+Athletics+in+1963+challenged+the+entire+tradition+of+home+and+road+uniform+colors+with+a+gold+and+green+combination.+By+the+1970s%2C+light+blue+was+in+common+use+in+place+of+the+gray+color+on+road+uniforms&btnG=Recherche+Google&meta= 1], [http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=Home+uniforms+for+all+clubs+at+the+turn+of+the+19th+century+were+white%2C+while+road+uniforms+were+either+gray+or+a+darker+hue.+The+Brooklyn+club+was+yet+more+daring+with+a+fine+blue+%22cross-hatch%22+pattern+on+their+1907+road+uniforms.+This+%22checked%22+effect+would+be+used+a+few+years+later+by+the+then+New+York+Giants+and+again+by+Brooklyn+%28with+wider+spacing%29+on+several+occasions.%5B6%5D+The+more+widely+spaced+uniforms%2C+with+more+visible+pinstriping%2C+first+appeared+on+several+major+league+team+uniforms+in+1912.+In+1916%2C+the+Giants+added+an+almost+%22plaid%22+effect+with+a+crossing+of+multiple+fine+lines+of+purple.&btnG=Recherche+Google&meta= 2], and of ezinearticles.com (a blacklisted site), see [http://www.google.fr/search?q=The+Knickerbockers'+uniform+was+characterized+by+a+white+flannel+shirt%2C+wool+pants+and+straw+hat.%5B3%5D+From+1880+to+1890%2C+colors+and+designs+of+baseball+uniforms+were+changed+and+altered+from+the+style.+In+1882%2C+players'+uniforms+became+multi-colored+depending+on+the+player's+position%2C+using+stockings+to+identify+the+player+and%2For+teammate.%5B4%5D+It+was+in+1888+and+1889+that+three+major+teams%2C+the+Detroit+Wolverines+and+Washington+Nationals+of+the+National+League+and+the+Brooklyn+Bridegrooms+of+the+American+Association%2C+decided+to+include+stripes+on+their+uniforms&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&client=firefox-a 3]. The copyrights of both sites are incompatible with a use on Wikipedia. There is also an entire section from [[Baseball cap]], and we can't exclude other copyright infringements. Maybe this should go to [[WP:CP]]. <strong><span style="font-family:Monotype;">[[User:Cenarium|<font color="#000080">Cena</font><font color="#1560bd">rium</font>]][[User_talk:Cenarium|<font color="#000090"> '''(talk)'''</font>]]</span></strong> 17:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-:I'll try to find some time later this afternoon to copyedit the article to remove copyright issues. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] ([[User talk:Kingturtle|talk]]) 17:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-::I gave it a shot. Fix anything I did. Revert if it wasn't helpful. [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] ([[User talk:Kingturtle|talk]]) 19:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-:::Revert it ? Oh no, it was certainly helpful and well done. I also tried to fix a sentence in the Graphics section that was copied from the baseball-almanac.com source. <strong><span style="font-family:Monotype;">[[User:Cenarium|<font color="#000080">Cena</font><font color="#1560bd">rium</font>]][[User_talk:Cenarium|<font color="#000090"> '''(talk)'''</font>]]</span></strong> 20:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-::::What about the copy from [[baseball cap]] ? Is it enough to indicate it, is it compliant with the GFDL ? <strong><span style="font-family:Monotype;">[[User:Cenarium|<font color="#000080">Cena</font><font color="#1560bd">rium</font>]][[User_talk:Cenarium|<font color="#000090"> '''(talk)'''</font>]]</span></strong> 20:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-I checked further, and there are other copyright violation of the almanac source and others (baseball.mu) disseminated in the article. Sorry but I am completely ignorant in this domain, so I prefer not try to fix it myself, that wouldn't be helpful I guess. For example, the Stockings section [http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=In+1900%2C+stockings+were+made+of+heavy+wool.+They+were+of+one-piece+full-length+%28above+the+knee%29+construction.+The+stirrup+stocking%2C+separate+from+the+%E2%80%9Csanitary%E2%80%9D+foot+stocking%2C+first+came+into+usage+in+about+1905.+Striped+or+multi-tone+stirrup+stockings+became+widely+used+around+1910+and+less+common+only+a+few+years+later.&btnG=Recherche+Google&meta= 4], the shoes section [http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=Sporting+goods+companies+began+manufacturing+shoes+specifically+designed+for+the+new+surface+of+playing+fields.+The+soles+of+shoes+had+numerous+small+rubber+bumps+on+them+that+provided+good+traction+without+harming+the+artificial+turf.+&btnG=Rechercher&meta= 5]. Those are copyrighted sites, not mirrors. <strong><span style="font-family:Monotype;">[[User:Cenarium|<font color="#000080">Cena</font><font color="#1560bd">rium</font>]][[User_talk:Cenarium|<font color="#000090"> '''(talk)'''</font>]]</span></strong> 20:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
-:I'll try to fix those issues myself, but any other help with be useful too. I'm sorry for the copyright problems here. I tried to reword it the best I can, but it seems it still a copyright problem. -- [[User:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]] ♠ [[Wikipedia:Editor review/RyRy5 2|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">Review</font>]]''''') 00:21, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
-::I recommend that you get ahold of Okkonen's ''Baseball Uniforms'' book. It will tell you everything you need to know about 20th century uniforms. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 21:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
-:The copyvio of baseball cap has been removed. There are a few others though... [[User:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]] [[User:RyRy5/Guestbook|♠]] [[WP:IFY|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">wikify</font>]]''''') 01:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
+:Actually, it’s likely not. As he specified he was a “[[Limey]],” he was likely jocularly referring to the “American language” pointing out his lack of native facility in an [[American English|Am.E. variety]]. —[[User talk:Wiki Wikardo|Wiki Wikardo]] 21:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
-== Infobox Availability? ==
+== American English ==
-Is there possibly an infobox we can add to the article? I can't seem to find the right one myself. If one is found, either show it here or add it to [[Baseball uniform|the article]]. Thank you. -- [[User:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]]''''') 02:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
-:Checked [[WP:IBT]], as far as I can tell none are appropriate. '''''[[User:RC-0722|<font color="#CC5500">RC-0722</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/RC-0722|<font color="#0000FF">247.5</font>]]</sup>/[[User talk:RC-0722|<font color="#FF0000">1</font>]]''''' 02:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
-::How would you have an infobox for a standalone article? And what would it contain? [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 03:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
-:::Not a clue. Should I work on one? '''''[[User:RC-0722|<font color="#CC5500">RC-0722</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/RC-0722|<font color="#0000FF">247.5</font>]]</sup>/[[User talk:RC-0722|<font color="#FF0000">1</font>]]''''' 03:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
-::::I don't see the point. Do other styles of clothing have infoboxes? [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 03:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
-:::::As far as I know, no. Was wondering, do FAs and GAs ''have to have'' infoboxes?--[[User:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]]''''') 03:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
-::::::Nope and nope. '''''[[User:RC-0722|<font color="#CC5500">RC-0722</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/RC-0722|<font color="#0000FF">247.5</font>]]</sup>/[[User talk:RC-0722|<font color="#FF0000">1</font>]]''''' 03:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::Then none is needed, especially if no one has a clue as to what info would be in it. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 03:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
+Would you really consider the shoes and glove as part of the uniform? I’d think of those things more as part of the “kit.” —[[User talk:Wiki Wikardo|Wiki Wikardo]] 21:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
-== Uniforms vs. nicknames ==
+:More like "equipment". ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 23:07, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
+== External links modified ==
-There could be some serious crossover in these two articles if we get into too much detail. But the articles, while related, are not the same topic. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 13:54, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
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-I think the opening line doesn't need to say both "coached" and "managers". A manager is a subset of the term coach, although obviously in pro baseball he isn't really referred to as coach. To Bugs: do you think the parenthetical note "(but not always)" in the lead is needed? I think the term "often" implies that. [[User:Gwynand|Gwynand]] | [[User_talk:Gwynand|Talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Gwynand|Contribs]] 17:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
+*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080411043828/http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/database.htm to http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/database.htm
-:The real point is that anyone participating in the game on the field is supposed to wear a uniform. That needs to be clearer somehow. Connie Mack didn't wear a uniform, he wore a business suit. But he didn't coach on the baselines or go to the pitcher's mound, he had coaches do that. He stayed in the dugout. McGraw coached on the baseline, so he had to wear a uniform. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 17:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
+*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20111003142906/http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org:80/dressed_to_the_nines/timeline_1916.htm to http://exhibits.baseballhalloffame.org/dressed_to_the_nines/timeline_1916.htm
-::Well, I think "often" covers that. Furthermore, we have the luxury of not having to make a blanket statement about how a uniform is worn by coaches because it ''definitely'' varies level to level. Obviously Pro and college ball have some strict rules, but often asst coaches in highschool dont wear a uniform (even if coaching on the field), same goes for little league. Maybe this brings up a new section... we can lead the lead as  "often coaches wear uniforms" etc, then have a section below on rules regarding coaches attire, etc. Im sure there are some sources to be found. [[User:Gwynand|Gwynand]] | [[User_talk:Gwynand|Talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Gwynand|Contribs]] 17:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
+*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080515230320/http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0123,lukas,25337,3.html to http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0123,lukas,25337,3.html
-:::You're right, I'm too focused on the pros, as is the whole article. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 17:54, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
-::::I changed it to say "sometimes by non-playing personnel such as managers and coaches" because managers and coaches are not the same thing, at least at the professional level, and you also have batboys, ballgirls, and so on, who might also (but not always) wear something that looks like the team uniform. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 17:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
-:::::I think it looks good, and you are definitely right about also including bat boys, etc. The article ''currently'' being focused on the majors I wouldn't call a problem, just that we have a lot of good sourced info on that. Little League, college, international will probably all need to be addressed at some point. [[User:Gwynand|Gwynand]] | [[User_talk:Gwynand|Talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Gwynand|Contribs]] 18:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
-::::::And the attendant rules. Certainly in kids leagues, the coaches typically don't wear uniforms, but they participate on the field as needed. I also question some of the years. I don't know where that 1849 came from, for example. Maybe that's the beginning of the NABBP, but the fact is that uniforms of some kind have ''always'' been a part of organized baseball. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 18:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::Yeah, I was concerned about that too. The way it is now, it almost implies that there were games played in MLB where a team didn't have some form of a uniform. There was probably always something that would be considered one. [[User:Gwynand|Gwynand]] | [[User_talk:Gwynand|Talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/Gwynand|Contribs]] 18:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
-::::::::Also, the article misleads when it implies that MLB began in 1849. "Organized baseball" would be a better term. That's just one of many issues with the article, which is slowly improving over time and with additional hands. And the article needs more illustrations to show examples of the evolution of the uniform. [[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> 18:10, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
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-*third para of lead is too short, and it's not clear how it relates to the article title
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-*I don't like the way the web links are formatted, without a title and with a surplus url. As an example ref 14<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.baseball.mu/baseball-shoes.html|title=Baseball.mu|publisher=www.baseball.mu|accessdate=2008-05-03|last=|first=}}</ref>  imho should be<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.baseball.mu/baseball-shoes.html|title=Baseball Shoes|work = Baseball information |publisher=Baseball.mu|accessdate=2008-05-03|last=|first=}}</ref>
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-:Okay, we can fix that. Thanks for commenting. --[[User:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]]''''') 08:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
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-:::Also, authors not given eg ref 16 [[User:Jimfbleak|jimfbleak]] ([[User talk:Jimfbleak|talk]]) 08:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
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