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== Early Life == |
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I can't locate any other source, but thought you should know. |
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== Not American == |
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Andrew was born and raised in Scotland to Scottish parents and only move to America when he was 13-14, he’s not Scottish-American just Scottish. [[Special:Contributions/77.197.126.86|77.197.126.86]] ([[User talk:77.197.126.86|talk]]) 05:56, 6 July 2023 (UTC) |
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Please change the scotch to Scots .......thats a shocking mistake , fellow Scot not fellow scotch , scotch is a drink [[Special:Contributions/92.21.237.170|92.21.237.170]] ([[User talk:92.21.237.170|talk]]) 20:07, 30 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> Thank you, - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime|<span style="color:#800000">'''FlightTime'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime|<span style="color:#FFD700">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 20:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::{{notdone}} Undone by {{u|Ejdguiseley}}. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime|<span style="color:#800000">'''FlightTime'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime|<span style="color:#FFD700">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 20:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now:''' please establish a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] for this alteration '''[[Wikipedia:Edit requests|before]]''' using the {{tlx|edit semi-protected}} template.<!-- Template:ESp --> It appears to be a direct quotation, so we shouldn't change it. [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 20:47, 30 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:77.197.126.86|77.197.126.86]] nope [[User:Matteow101|Matteow101]] ([[User talk:Matteow101|talk]]) 14:44, 15 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Pronunciation revisited == |
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I found a relatively recent source which addresses regional preferences; I would have already added it to the footnote but I wanted to confirm that it's a RS. [https://www.wesa.fm/arts-sports-culture/2019-04-18/car-nuh-gie-or-car-nay-gie-depends-on-where-youre-from https://www.wesa.fm/arts-sports-culture/2019-04-18/car-nuh-gie-or-car-nay-gie-depends-on-where-youre-from], [[WESA (FM)|WESA-FM]]. [[User:Mapsax|Mapsax]] ([[User talk:Mapsax|talk]]) 00:29, 19 November 2021 (UTC) |
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Change factually incorrect nationality in first lines of the entry. |
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"Andrew Carnegie was an American..." |
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I’d like to see a source for ‘note 1’, something on the difference between the said ‘NAY’ and the Scots-based vowel that is the original. Maybe a note from the IPA? That is, it’s not clear that the American ‘NAY’ fails to reproduce the Scots. [[Special:Contributions/2601:140:8900:16B0:F90B:6A81:89C5:9F0F|2601:140:8900:16B0:F90B:6A81:89C5:9F0F]] ([[User talk:2601:140:8900:16B0:F90B:6A81:89C5:9F0F|talk]]) 20:28, 28 November 2021 (UTC) |
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"Andrew Carnegie was a Scottish...." |
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Please add “Pamela Mitchell, Gail Boggs, Barbara Sanders, Dylan Evans, Courtney Evans Sweeney” to relatives section. |
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He was Scottish, born in Scotland to Scottish parents. |
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Sources: Wikipedia (stated place of birth) |
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Please see family tree via Google. [[User:Anon77990|Anon77990]] ([[User talk:Anon77990|talk]]) 00:14, 16 June 2022 (UTC) |
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Carnegie.org: https://www.carnegie.org/interactives/foundersstory/#!/ [[User:Jimbobajob|Jimbobajob]] ([[User talk:Jimbobajob|talk]]) 10:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' |
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Per [[MOS:NATIONALITY]] we use the nation a person was affiliated with when they were notable [[User:Cannolis|Cannolis]] ([[User talk:Cannolis|talk]]) 10:27, 11 October 2023 (UTC) |
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::That is a most backwards and unconventional manner in which to describe a person's nationality. Carnegie himself identified as a Scotsman, since he was 'a Scotsman'. An individual's nationality does not change by dint of geographical location or indeed wheresoever they forged a career. To claim otherwise is thoroughly disingenuous. |
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::Sadly, this must be some sort of modern American thinking, which is at odds with the rest of the English speaking world. [[User:Jimbobajob|Jimbobajob]] ([[User talk:Jimbobajob|talk]]) 12:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:::If you object to the policy, you should raise the issue on the policy's talk page. For this specific case, you should also provide [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that claim Carnegie identified himself as a Scotsman. [[User:Liu1126|Liu1126]] ([[User talk:Liu1126|talk]]) 16:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC) |
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I'm surprised to see the British pronunciation stated to be Car-neh-gee. All the Scots I know with this name pronounce it Car-NEE-gee. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C6:CB80:6F01:7848:2471:855E:DA81|2A00:23C6:CB80:6F01:7848:2471:855E:DA81]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C6:CB80:6F01:7848:2471:855E:DA81|talk]]) 06:41, 14 July 2022 (UTC) |
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Change: American to Scottish [[Special:Contributions/46.64.82.210|46.64.82.210]] ([[User talk:46.64.82.210|talk]]) 15:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Per [[MOS:NATIONALITY]], we should use the country he was resident in when he became notable. [[User:Liu1126|Liu1126]] ([[User talk:Liu1126|talk]]) 16:12, 1 December 2023 (UTC) |
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[edit]Changed a sentenced that said slavery was referred to as "the peculiar institution" as a euphemism from its apologists. It was actually a neutral term, and "peculiar" was used in the sense that it was only common in one particular region of the United States, namely the South.
--Michael Hollinger-- I could find no external corroboration for a 5 yr. old Andrew Carnegie killing Piedmont Morgan. Could someone cite a reference for that?
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[edit]Wiki Commons lists the attached stained illustration as being in honor of Andrew Mellon. <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Stained_glass_windows_of_the_Washington_National_Cathedral#/media/File:Stain_Glass_Andrew_Mellon.JPG.> I doesn't look much like it belongs with either of them, from what I can see. I can't locate any other source, but thought you should know.
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[edit]Andrew was born and raised in Scotland to Scottish parents and only move to America when he was 13-14, he’s not Scottish-American just Scottish. 77.197.126.86 (talk) 05:56, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
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Change factually incorrect nationality in first lines of the entry.
"Andrew Carnegie was an American..."
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"Andrew Carnegie was a Scottish...."
He was Scottish, born in Scotland to Scottish parents.
Sources: Wikipedia (stated place of birth)
Carnegie.org: https://www.carnegie.org/interactives/foundersstory/#!/ Jimbobajob (talk) 10:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
- Not done: Per MOS:NATIONALITY we use the nation a person was affiliated with when they were notable Cannolis (talk) 10:27, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
- That is a most backwards and unconventional manner in which to describe a person's nationality. Carnegie himself identified as a Scotsman, since he was 'a Scotsman'. An individual's nationality does not change by dint of geographical location or indeed wheresoever they forged a career. To claim otherwise is thoroughly disingenuous.
- Sadly, this must be some sort of modern American thinking, which is at odds with the rest of the English speaking world. Jimbobajob (talk) 12:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
- If you object to the policy, you should raise the issue on the policy's talk page. For this specific case, you should also provide reliable sources that claim Carnegie identified himself as a Scotsman. Liu1126 (talk) 16:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
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Change: American to Scottish 46.64.82.210 (talk) 15:11, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
- Not done: Per MOS:NATIONALITY, we should use the country he was resident in when he became notable. Liu1126 (talk) 16:12, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
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