Talk:Prize (law)

Confusing Redirect I don't have the knowledge to fix :)

The article for the RMS_Lusitania refers to Cruiser Rules which, through a series of redirects, ends up at this page.

Unrestricted_submarine_warfare also refers "cruiser rules" and links to Prize Rules. Again through some redirects, it ends up at this page.

I'm still in the middle of my wikipedia rabbit hole here, but I'm immediately stumped by:

1) The fact that two separate articles link to this one referring to it as "cruiser rules" while this ones doesn't mention "cruiser rules" at all.

2) The leading paragraph of the article is just a definitions of a prize ship. Which in the context of both RMS_Lusitania and Unrestricted_submarine_warfare is really confusing.

Leaving a note here for someone with proper knowledge in this area, but I think either these redirects are setup wrong from the other pages (happy to go and fix those btw) or the introductory paragraph/header/meta tags/whatever should probably include some disambiguation about where the "cruiser rules" and "prize rules" thing comes in to play.

--Egranlund (talk) 02:02, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Now this is about the third time I have followed that link, each time forgetting that I reached the same dead end a couple of years before. So this time I have created the article. It's not really my area of expertise but it seems that I am the best that Wikipedia has got (or at least the most willing). I believe one of the predecessor pages did once mention cruiser rules, but it didn't say anything useful and then got lost in the endless merging and renaming. SpinningSpark 23:50, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Substantial Revision and Expansion

That was a lot of bleary eyed footnote making. *whew* But I hope this article is now a better rendering of prize law. I'll take a break for a while and come back to it after looking at a few more sources. Leave a message on this age if you have suggestions for improvements or needed expansions.FrederickFolger (talk) 22:19, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

La Blanche towing la Pique, a French prize, 1795

HMS Black Joke (1827) and prizes

That was the best response to a clarification request I have seen on wikipedia. The history of Prize law is now much clearer. Three cited paragraphs were removed; I place them here on the Talk page in case they are still useful. To the right are two images from Wikimedia Commons related to prize law.

For example, the German commerce raiding during World War I obtained several ships as prizes.

There have been several abortive attempts to form an International Prize Court to hear appeals regarding captures of prizes.

Municipal law

United States

Prize law under United States municipal law is codified at 10 U.S.C. §§ 7651–7681. As noted above, due to changes in the nature of naval warfare, the U.S. courts have not tried any prize cases under these statutes.

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Notes

• Lehmann, Ernst A.; Mingos, Howard. The Zeppelins. The Development of the Airship, with the Story of the Zepplins Air Raids in the World War. Chapter VI THE NORTH SEA PATROL -- THE ZEPPELINS AT JUTLAND (online chapter)

-84user (talk) 14:44, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

images

Wonderful Commons images 84user, thanks, and thanks also for the compliment. The recession has forced all the maritime museums to squeeze every last farthing out of every copyright permission for images reproduced from their collections, which is why I was leery of posting the ones I am familiar with (not knowing the copyright status). But there 's a wonderful picture of seven French corsairs attacking a prize simultaneously, which I will see if I can retrieve for free from its museum.FrederickFolger (talk) 16:31, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

The Mariners' Museum very kindly gave me permission to reproduce the .jpg I had in mind, and sent me a clean .jpg which now ornaments the article (depending on whether I've successfully navigated the shoals of Wiki Commons copyright restrictions, that is).FrederickFolger (talk) 22:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Merger from Prize Rules

I merged Prize rules onto this page and redirected from that page to this one. As no text survived from Prize rules (the former page was largely unsubstantiated and sadly inaccurate) there is no need of a source history link.FrederickFolger ⚓^(talk) 14:51, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Should the rather scrappy little article Prize of war also be merged here? Davidships (talk) 18:39, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

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Redirects to this page which can be retargeted to Cruiser rules

Three years ago Spinningspark (talk · contribs) created a separate Cruiser rules article "in place of useless redirect". I propose we consider rerouting there (some of the?) following redirects:

• Prize rules
• Prize Rules
• Prize warfare (?)
• Rules of Prize Warfare
• Cruiser warfare (?)
• Prize regulations

If not for the numerosity of the redirects and unclearance of the wording of the pair marked with question signs, I would have been bold and did it myself, but believe there is a need for a discussion here. Ain92 (talk) 14:56, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

On the basis that cruiser rules are more about the rules of engagement and prize (law) is more about distribution of captured material, I think it is fairly clear that prize rules, Prize Rules, and prize regulations] should all redirect here. Cruiser warfare is quite ambiguous; my feeling is that it should redirect to cruiser with a disambiguating hatnote to cruiser rules. Prize warfare and Rules of Prize Warfare are less clear cut, but I think it is less confusing if anything with "prize" in the name goes to prize (law). Again, a disambiguating hatnote can be included for the last two pointing to cruiser rules. SpinningSpark 13:24, 26 August 2021 (UTC)