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Lehi (group)

"Stern believed that the Jewish population of Palestine should fight, rather than support, the British in the War, and that terroristic methods were an effective means for achieving those goals." --> this is not part of the dispute, it's not in the lead. It's in the paragraph after the lead. terroristic should change to a different word like paramilitary. Can you change it please, because it's WP:WTA, not referenced nor part of the disput. Amoruso (talk) 16:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

If you strike out (<s>text to strike out</s>) the bit about a "vandal" I'll have a look at the talk page to see if there is a consensus for this edit. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

A party of the other side has agreed to this change [1]. I don't know if Nisihdani will be adamant, but both sides now agree, and it's clearly a consensus. We're talking about a clear violation of WP:WTA and this should be changed, it's not part of the dispute. It should change to "militant methods" like most articles. Can you do so please? Amoruso (talk) 23:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I think this goes a long way to calm things down. The sporadic use of the word "terrorist" was too much and this was acknowledged by the other party. It wasn't part of the dispute of course. The dispute was about the lead. The lead word phrasing is more tricky but I won't RV again on the matter. I will not fight over it whether the article is locked or not I won't revert. I do honestly believe that I think consensus can be reached about the lead too. [2] Amoruso (talk) 00:16, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gwen,
I don't understand this : [3].
At the contrary of what Amoruso says, Shabbaz didn't support the change (???). And it has nothing to do with the qualification of a party by another party as terrorist/freedom fighter.
Lehi (itself) said it defended terrorism as a way to free the country. This is well known. Seeing the discussion, I brought a source for that. But Nishidani had already brought another one. Ceedjee (talk) 11:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Ceedjee, this is not true. Shabbaz explicitly endorsed the correction here [4]. It was a violation of WP:WTA and the article can't be shown in this way. It's a serious violation. The claim that Lehi definied itself as terroristic is not true. And even if it did, the article wasn't phrased that way, and it wasn't Stern at all. The issue of whether "Lehi defined itself" as terroristic is discussed already in the section "Goals and Methods". Writing the word "terroristic" sporadically in the article is not allowed. Amoruso (talk) 11:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

It is what they did in the review they published in 1943-44.

Ceedjee (talk) 15:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Please take this to the article talk page :) Thanks. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Skull & Serpent

Deleting Skull & Serpent was incorrect. >>>A two year old deletion discussion is not relevant. For example, one of those posts stated that there were too few Google hits on the name--but that was two years ago, and there are many more hits now. >>>It makes a perfectly legitimate stub as it was left. Henry Bacon is a noted architect. It can be expanded if left alone for a bit.>>>The article does fit in with the series on college secret societies. So its part of a set.>>>I read your page, it doesn't apply don't tell me to read it.>>>Any Wikipedia policy that states that a two year old deletion discussion created by ten posters must be preserved inviolate is ridiculous.OoooooNaaNaNaOoooNana (talk) 01:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

If you carefully read the link at the top of this page you'd understand why the CSD G4 was approved, even after 2 years. Gwen Gale (talk) 01:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I read the link at the top of the page as I had already said. Wandering around wikipedia doing whatever you like to other people's articles and then telling them to drudge through your own prose for clues to why you do what you do is not endearing behavior. If you read your page, you would find there is nothing there about "G4". As a matter of fact, talking to people in code is not especially useful, either. Nothing you have said addresses any of the points I have raised. it's still a valid stub, it's still a part of a larger set of articles. OoooooNaaNaNaOoooNana (talk) 01:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you carefully read the link at the top of this page. Gwen Gale (talk) 01:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

please reinstate the Phoebus Design Automation page

• Also Phoebus design automation

Dear Gwen

Can you please reinstate the Phoebus Design Automation page that you deleted.

I was surprised it was deleted so quickly even after I had put a hangon on tag and I was in the middle of puting what that company has done to the industry to deserve a mention.

Template:GGcsd Gwen Gale (talk) 01:37, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Ha! Mr. Police - Like I said I was in the middle of editting of that page and more time to save my effort would have been appreciated?

How long have you been policing Wikipedia, sir? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phoebusda (talk • contribs) 01:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Did you carefully read this page? Gwen Gale (talk) 01:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

urrgggaaahhh - Did you look at this page "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azuro" OR this one "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altos_Design_Automation". Can you share the difference between these ones and the Phoebus Design Automation.

See WP:WAX, also WP:COI. Gwen Gale (talk) 01:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

OMG - either you are a teenager and "master of annoyance". Killing people without water in matter of seconds. I'm leaving you on somebody else to teach you a lesson and saving my time. Good luck buddy.

You never did tell me if you read this page. Gwen Gale (talk) 01:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I did and I opine that it must be deleted immediately. ;)

Would you like me to put a copy of the deleted article into your userspace, where you might work on it a bit before trying again? Gwen Gale (talk) 02:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Now - you are making some sense. Please do so, and I'd advocate that author must be given at least an hour to finish the edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phoebusda (talk • contribs) 02:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

First, your username is not acceptable. I want to help you, but please open a new account with a neutral name which doesn't give away straight off that the only reason you're here is to promote your company. Then please come back to this page and let me know you've done this (remember to sign your post with four tildes ~~~~). Gwen Gale (talk) 02:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I blocked the user over his name. Daniel Case (talk) 02:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Sooner you than me then, thanks. Gwen Gale (talk) 02:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The Daytona Post

Gwen You deleted The Daytona Post and gave a "7" cryptic explanation that it is not "notable". I have read the wikis on "notable" and the article does certainly meet them. The online newspaper is non profit, non commercial. It is a watchdog widely read in the Daytona Beach area. Has been quoted by even CNN and over 50 other news sites. What was the reason of its deletion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.118.226.148 (talk) 02:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:GGcsd Gwen Gale (talk) 02:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Gwen, Please let me know the actual reason, I read your boilerplate and had already checked the page you indicate. There are already references to CNN in the article. Should this have been a stub instead?

Also, please let me have the deleted code so I can rewrite. It took a long time to figure out the codes and it was deleted before I could copy the draft. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.118.226.148 (talk) 18:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I never said the topic was not "notable." Gwen Gale (talk) 01:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Max Keiser Article

Hi,

I noticed that the article about Max Keiser has been deleted.

As a journalist for Al Jazeera English, blogger for the Huffington Post and co-founder of the Hollywood Stock Exchange, Mr. Keiser does have the notability required to have a Wikipedia article.

I am aware and sensitive to the fact that the deletion was done following established practices. That being said, I was hoping to receive some pointers on how to make this a stronger and lasting article.

Thanks for your assistance.

Regards,

Jonpare (talk) 06:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:GGcsd Gwen Gale (talk) 11:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gwen,

Not as daunting as you might claim it to be. I just fail to understand how it met the criterion for speedy deletion.

Does Mr. Keiser lack notability? I provided evidence that he doesn't and can provide more if necessary.

Was there somehow something that was judged to be commercial advertising? I don't believe so but if it is the case, I would be more than happy to oblige if I can be given a little guidance.

Was there a copyright violation? No. The picture of Mr. Keiser is under a Creative Commons license.

Was there any vandalism? Absolutely not.

Forgive me if I'm being dense. After reading your page (more than once), I still fail to comprehend how this article matched the criterion for speedy deletion. I would be grateful if I could have the article back and given the opportunity to improve it.

Best regards,

Jonpare (talk) 00:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The article was deleted through an AfD last year and nothing seems to have changed. Second, the article makes no assertion of importance. Either lack would be enough for speedy deletion. You also might want to have a look at Wikipedia's conflict of interest guideline, along with this take on single purpose accounts. Gwen Gale (talk) 00:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Jigsaw

Hi

you deleted Jigsaw two days ago with ‎ (G6: Housekeeping and routine (non-controversial) cleanup: make way for article), but no new article has been forthcoming. Presumably someone was going to do it but forgot about it. Do you know what was intended - perhaps a move of another jigsaw puzzle to this location? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Barryob put up the CSD tag, which said it was to make way for a page move. Gwen Gale (talk) 11:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Pages

Hi

I just submitted a couple of pages describing a an XML development tool, and the pages got deleted. The reason given was advertising, however other products in the same market place have there own pages. Can you tell me what makes my pages ads and there's content so I can address the issues.

Thanks for your time

Regards Simon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML_Spy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altova http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_XML_Editor —Preceding unsigned comment added by SprottS (talk • contribs) 08:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:GGcsd Gwen Gale (talk) 11:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC) Hi I've read through the page you suggested, but I'm still unclear what distinguishes the posts I added from say XML Spy. If you could let me know what issues are I can look at sorting things out. Thanks Simon SprottS (talk) 16:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Other articles have nothing to do with it (see WP:WAX) but even so XML Spy is notable and makes a very strong assertion of its importance in the article lead. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

ShiVa game engine page deleted

Hi, could you please tell me why you deleted ShiVa's page and not unity [5] for example... Advertise, price, license ... It's really important for us to have this page... please give me a way to keep this page. Regards, Stonetrip —Preceding unsigned comment added by StonetripSupport (talk • contribs) 11:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:GGcsd Gwen Gale (talk) 11:54, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, this answer is not good for me, I know this page seems to be an advertising page and in some ways it is but, if you delete this page you also have to delete all page like mine , as i said, unity, garage game and others. If i had to change some things like price and others I'm okay but without a good answer i'm not. this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_engine refers some commercial engine and we need to be on, also we need a wiki page for our engine because we are in this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_game_engines ... So please, give me a good answer. Regards.StonetripSupport (talk) 13:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Please see WP:WAX, also WP:COI. Gwen Gale (talk) 13:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, but it's just to know why shiva and not them. I write my page to match with others commercial game engine descriptions, so ok it's commercial... i can remove license, price etc... just tell me what to delete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by StonetripSupport (talk • contribs) 14:13, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

As explained in WP:WAX other articles have nothing to do with this. Moreover, following WP:COI you shouldn't be writing about your own company here to begin with and if you do, make sure you understand the policies thoroughly enough that you've written an article which breezes by this kind of thing. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

In fact, I'm considering taking that Unity article to AfD ;-) Tan | 39 14:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

What was the wlink for that one? Gwen Gale (talk) 14:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the old conundrum: "Are 5-10 minutes of my life worth getting rid of this more or less harmless but un-encyclopedic pitch?" :) Gwen Gale (talk) 14:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. So far, I'm on the "no" side of it, just because 1) I'm supposed to be working and 2) I'm lazy. Tan | 39 14:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

You know, if it was open source and free I'd be less inclined (but then, it would likely be highly notable as an IT topic). Gwen Gale (talk) 14:37, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Sebastian Hardie deletion

I don't understand why the article for Sebastian Hardie was deleted?

I believe it was an important inclusion because they were a highly regarded Progressive Rock band from Australia. When I created the article I had done a lot of research into this band. The band worked with John O Keefe

Regards kraftneu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kraftneu (talk • contribs) 11:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Template:GGcsd Gwen Gale (talk) 11:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I need help

Hi Gwen Gale. I've recently revived an article that is about an American rapper who goes by the stage name of Diamond see here Diamond (rapper). The article was created before but was not about the female rapper that was once apart of the rap group Crime Mob. She has gone off on a solo career and has already had the release of a Mixtape. Her situation is similar to that of Beyonce Knowles or Kelly Rowland. Both were memebers of Destiny's Child, but moved on to solo careers. I'm not sure how to show that the article meets standards and that the person has notability. Thank YouMcelite (talk) 15:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Source that and she'll have an article on en.Wikipedia (at least until someone calls an AfD). See WP:BAND. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gwen. I do have this source. It's from an interview done by AllHipHop.com which it specifically states that she has decided to go solo and has released a mixtape which has done well. See here:Leaves Crime Mob:Diamond Interview.Mcelite (talk) 16:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Seeing as how that source is cited 4 times in the article... very carefully read the red-bordered prod tag at the top of the article and do what you think is fit. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Impossible to to anything on Lehi page

I opened a discussion on talk page, got no response or objection, then after waiting 24 hours I went and edited Lehi page - but someone who was not involved in the disscutions did a revision to my edit - no exlanation.

The sentenace I have removed, after waiting for 24 hour of response -was removed anyway by some mediator, prior to your latest blocking - and the reason you have blocked that page.

In addition I have attached a reference supporting it (in the additional sentance - further deeper with in the article)

I do'nt understand - does somebody own this page ? I am not allowed to do anything in there - despite the fact that though I removed the sentance that was the reason for your blocking the page (and did not exist up untill latley)- and depite the bad behavour - I have waitwd 24 hours for a response from the one who conducted this bad behavour?

please help me, I don't know what to do ?

--Shevashalosh (talk) 16:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Given the background on this, please wait, someone may very likely revert back to your edit. Let's see if consensus is showing up. I'm watching the page closely. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm waiting. --Shevashalosh (talk) 16:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Ludwigs2

Hi, that user's unblock request could use your review. It appears to me that the block has served its purpose and can be lifted. Best,  Sandstein  17:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I've asked for further input at ANI, please stand by. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I recommend an immediate unblocking. See Ludwigs talk page. -- Fyslee / talk 17:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

It would help if you'd say that here and thanks for speaking up. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm out for 20 minutes. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Request for admin input

In acknowledgement of your reputation to call things as you see em, Gwen, I anticipate what would be sure to be inciteful commentary if you were to be so kind as to provide administrative input re a set of compound mergers I just proposed over at (well, of course) Wikipedia:Proposed mergers#Current listings. (You're the only admin I asked, btw.)  $\sim$ Justmeherenow (  ) 18:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, you meant insightful I hope :) Gwen Gale (talk) 18:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Um <blushes> yeah.  $\sim$ Justmeherenow (  ) 20:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Mary Hanley Catholic Elementary School

Hello, just to let you know I have recreated the above title you G4 speedy deleted as a redirect to a school district as doing so is a long standing precedent with school articles. I have also fixed up the histories as they were spread out between two titles, I have left them undeleted for non-admin reference. I have retained your page protection through adding full protection, please let me know if there are any issues with this I am not aware of. Camaron | Chris (talk) 19:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

None, a redirect's spot on the thing. Ta! Gwen Gale (talk) 19:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

A little help (and time) please..... Re Robert K. Hall

Hi Gwen! A few years ago I started a page for William T. Innes, which was promptly deleted for notority. I tried again (knowing he was important) and did a better job,,,,,,,,not a good job but better. The new subject was allowed to stand long enough that other members added to and improved the story, with better refs, better wiki skills, and better writing. The page has had over 500 edits, and I am proud to have started it.

Robert K. Hall was, for one night, a hero. The night produced two Medals of Honor (not for Hall), and a never equiled 5th Navy Cross for Puller. Hall's decision to cede command of his men to a Marine (Puller), if even for just a few hours, was a selfless act in leadership that turned out to be the right decision. It was a case study, when I attended Command and General Staff College many years ago. Robert Hall (not Robert K. Hall) is already mentioned in the Guadalcanal article, and it cried out for a link. I found the "K" in my search of 164th Infantry stories.

Who was this guy? He is probably long dead, so this is not some ploy to get him undeserved notority. I'll do more research, but I'll probably never do enough, alone, to make this a decent article. If we let it stand, it is my hope that other members of the community can improve it over time.

Best regards Todd —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtmilesmmr (talk • contribs) 20:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

More AfD fun

What, you haven't splurged your two Gulden (or anyway two Batzen) on this? -- Hoary (talk) 01:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Haha! I'll have you know I declined the speedy on that one! :) Gwen Gale (talk) 01:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we just differ on the man's, um, notority. -- Hoary (talk) 01:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I knew if I speedied it I'd have all kinds of notes here shrieking how he's got "coverage." Ew, I do hope his "notority" is covered. We don't want to scare the children. Gwen Gale (talk) 01:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. Next they'll be looking up Prince Albert on Google... :-) (Came here actually to thank you for watching my page. I guess I upset another vandal) :-)  Frank  |  talk  02:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Za'atar

Gwen,

Since you were so kind at helping to moderate Hummus, I was wondering if you could lend an ear to a discussion at Za'atar regarding inclusion of photos. Thanks! --Nsaum75 (talk) 02:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Request email of deleted stub Davide Marocco

Hey, you deleted stub Davide Marocco on July 4th, it was speedy deleted under section A7 criteria for speedy deletion. Apparently there's some question of his notability. Davide Marocco and another researcher Stefano Nolfi are currently doing research in AI, from a unique angle dealing with language development. I had added some material to the main AI article in which I referenced work done by Marocco... which you can find here [6].

The material was later deleted from the main AI article because of it's specific nature and the fact that the AI article is already very long and needs to be cut back. The research is important and if I find a good place for it, I will reintroduce the research.. in which case I will want the Davide Marocco stub again.... So right now the stub is not really important but I would like a copy of it, if in case, I find a good place to add how language evolution is currently being tested in AI cognisance.--Sparkygravity (talk) 04:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The speedy deletion happened only because the article made no (clear) assertion of importance or significance, hence the notability was assumed as "unknown" and the topic could be notable. Gwen Gale (talk) 04:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

UFO Phil page re-written to conform to Wiki standards.

Yes, I re-wrote the UFO Phil page. It was deleted, allegedly, because there were no citations. I did not have time last month to read/learn the process for creating citations. So, the page got deleted. I re-created the page with the valid citations in place. Therefore the article (which was MUCH shorter and contained completely different text) was completely re-written from scratch to conform to Wiki policies.

Yet, you deleted it anyway. It seems a tad unfair.

I was not the creator of the original UFO Phil page, but had done several edits to it to ensure the facts (as I understand them) were correct.

Please replace the UFO Phil page. Thanks.

Oh, and I guess I'm a sock-puppet because I could not remember my login when I was at work, so I created a new one. Yeah, I had two accounts. No intentional deception.