Talk:Drone metal

Drone doom?

What's the difference between this and drone doom metal, already covered in doom metal? = ∫_t^c 5th Eye 17:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

It's actually called drone doom and they're the same thing I think. Drone metal is just another term that is used for drone doom (or is it vice versa?) so it should have been created there instead. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ ^kaiden 05:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

It used to have its own article. = ∫_t^c 5th Eye 05:19, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Exactly and the reason why this was a redirect to that page. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ ^kaiden 05:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, then, it should either point back there or point to a re-created version of drone doom, imo. = ∫_t^c 5th Eye 06:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree, this article needs to be re-directed to doom metal#drone doom again. I have no idea why it was resurrected. I would also recommend the funeral doom article be re-directed to doom metal#funeral doom. ~Asarlaí 22:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I resurrected this article, and did so because there's a good source (The New York Times) that indicates that drone metal is its own genre. It's worth having its own page; it comes from a lineage in doom metal, but has a number of other influences besides. The "drone doom" subsection cites no sources and is inadequate to this topic. Aryder779 (talk) 14:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Of course drone doom/drone metal is a defined genre, but it's a subgenre of doom metal nonetheless. Right now, the article doesn't contain much more than what's already written (at doom metal) and it only uses one reliable source. The infobox lists ten genres as stylistic origins, yet none of those have sources to support them. Unless this article is greatly expanded and sourced, I see no reason to keep it. ~Asarlaí 14:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I just added a number of additional sources. Incidentally: "Sunn o))) place themselves in a lineage that stretches from the garage-rock sublime of bands like the Seeds and Blue Cheer to the squalling massed-guitar orchestrations of Rhys Chatham and Glenn Branca," from the Artforum article. [1] Not a word about doom metal here. Drone metal is as much a subgenre of drone music or minimalist music as it is a subgenre of doom metal. Aryder779 (talk) 14:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I plan on expanding this article, BTW. It's under construction. Aryder779 (talk) 14:58, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

That's fine by me, but I think it should be moved to Drone doom metal as that is the standard name for it and also the name used in doom metal. = ∫_t^c 5th Eye 03:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with 5th Eye but I think it should be drone doom as it is the correct link title and is where the original history was. Drone metal is just another term for drone doom, like heavy rock is to hard rock and it also will be consistent with the other doom subgenres. So please merge it back there. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪ ^kaiden 04:29, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this is your POV. Please see the cited NY Times[2], Boston Phoenix [3], and Artforum[4] articles, which discuss drone metal, not drone doom. It's not straightforward that these are synonymous terms, and certainly not that "drone doom" should be the preferred term. What evidence do you have that drone doom is the "standard name for it"? Aryder779 (talk) 14:23, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Drone metal and doom metal

I think it's important to discuss the degree to which drone metal is indebted to doom metal.
Earth and Burning Witch get their main influence from the Melvins. Now, the Melvins are generally considered the beginning of sludge metal (or even "sludge doom"), unless Eyehategod gets that honor. But, as it turns out, the Melvins come from a hardcore punk lineage much more than anything like doom metal. [5] I don't want to deny that Earth, Sunn O))), Boris and other drone metal groups have a connection to doom metal, and John Wray discusses this in his NY Times article. But to be clear, other than the Saint Vitus reissue on Southern Lord, there's not much debt that's ever been announced by drone metal groups to doom metal groups. Pagan Altar, Witchfinder General, Pentagram -- these are good bands, but not bands I've heard drone metal groups ever cite as an influence. My point is that drone metal is not necessarily "drone doom metal". It could just as easily be called "drone sludge metal" or "drone black metal". Sunn O))) apparently call themselves "power ambient". So, I don't know, "drone ambient metal" is just as sensible. My point is that a merger with doom metal is not an idea that makes sense. 67.191.153.112 (talk) 15:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)