Talk:Turkish people

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Article Image

Old version "SomeFamousTurk.png" contains images from non-free sources. In addition, used images are aligned wrongly. I suggest its removal. New version "TurkishPeople.png" are made of public domain pictures. Kaygtr (talk) 11:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I personally prefer the current image: File:TurkishPeople.png. Though we can improve this image further.Justinz84 (talk) 18:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Too few women

There is only one woman depicted. Are there more well known women who can be placed in it? - Yorkshirian (talk) 08:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

• Azra Akın, Miss World 2002
• Türkan Akyol, First woman Minister in the Turkish government (who later became the first woman President of a Turkish university).
• Sezen Aksu, singer, song-writer and producer who sold over 40 million albums worldwide
• Safiye Ali, first female doctor in Turkey; Treated war-wounded in the Turkish War of Independence, the Balkan Wars (of 1912/13), and in WW I.
• Leman Altınçekiç, First accredited female Aircraft Carrier pilot in the world. Preceded Lieutenant Kara Spears Hultgreen (first female American Aircraft pilot) by almost 40 years.
• Sema Aran, First female Army Officer. First Lieutenant Aran was commissioned just after to the Korean War.
• Ayten Alpman, singer famous for her song 'Bir başkadır benim memleketim'
• Sureyya Ayhan, Olympic athlete
• Sabiha Bengütaş
• Semiha Berksoy, opera singer
• Gönül Bingöl, first Turkish female surgeon
• Tansu Çiller, Turkey's first female Prime Minister
• Filiz Dinçmen, first Turkish female Ambassador to a foreign county
• Sertab Erener, winner of the Eurovision song contest 2003
• Mualla Eyüboğlu, one of the first female architects in Turkey
• Kara Fatma, Turkish folk heroine
• Sabiha Gökçen, the first female combat pilot in the world
• Nigâr Hanım, poet
• Mihri Hatun, Ottoman poet
• Nene Hatun, Turkish folk heroine
• Remziye Hisar, first Turkish female pharmacist
• Afife Jale, first Turkish actress
• Hülya Koçyiğit, actress and State Artist
• Suna Korad, soprano who held the title of 'State Artist' in Turkey.
• Nezihe Muhiddin, founder of the first party of the Republic of Turkey
• Bedia Muvahhit, actress and State Artist
• Gülsin Onay, pianist
• Elif Şafak, writer and the best-selling woman writer in Turkey
• Emel Sayın, actress, singer and State Artist
• Princess Durru Shehvar, Ottoman princess famous for the Durru Shehvar Children's & General Hospital in India
• Türkan Şoray, actress and State Artist
• Adile Sultana, Diwan poet and a philanthropist
• Razia Sultana, was the Sultana of Delhi in India and the very first woman ruler in the Muslim and Turkish history.
• Meriç Sümen, ballet
• Fatma Aliye Topuz, women's rights activist and humanitarian (currently illustrated on Turkish banknotes)
• Tülay Tuğcu, the President of the Constitutional Court of Turkey
• Arzuhan Yalçındağ, billionaire and the president of the Doğan Holding Justinz84 (talk) 14:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Turks in Infobox

The infobox must be reviewed. Turks in West Europe are usually citizens of Turkey working as foreign workers (Gastarbeiter). But most Turks in Bulgaria, Greece, Iraq etc., are not citizens of Turkey. If Turk is defined as citizen of Turkey ( the first sentence of this article), then Turkish speaking communities in ex Ottoman lands should not be tabulated together with citizens of Turkey working in foreign countries. (At least a distinction must be made in the table) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

This article is not about Turkish citizens. If it was then Kurds and other ethnic minorities such as Greeks, Armenians and Jews would also be mentioned. This article is about ethnic Turks. Turks in Bulgaria, Cyprus, Greece, Iraq, Kosovo, Macedonia and Romania are ethnic Turkish people.Justinz84 (talk) 23:45, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Defining Turks on the basis of ethnicity is very difficult. Of course mother tongue is a criterion. But defining Turkish speakers is also problematic. BecauseTurkish is member of a wide language group of at least 30 languages (so called Turkic) which includes Azeri, Turkmen, Tatar, Gagauz, Uighur etc. Some languages of this group are mutually intelligible. Should mutually intelligible languages also be groupped as Turkish ? If not, which measure should be used to define a Turkish speaker ? Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:50, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

It's not about Turkish speakers either... you don’t have to know the language to be a Turk. Turkish people are people who identify themselves as such. For example, I'm Turkish Cypriot and have lived most my life in the UK and US. I don’t speak the Turkish language fluently nor do I have Turkish nationality but still regard myself as a Turk. Hence, there is a difference between ones ethnicity and nationality. This can also be seen in many census’ whereby Turkish minorities such as those in Bulgaria, Macedonia and Kosovo have claimed to be a Turk in the last census... Moreover, many Turkish immigrants from Turkey living in countries such as Germany and the Netherlands are becoming German/Dutch citizens but this does not make them any less of a Turk nor their children.Justinz84 (talk) 17:08, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Image in the info box

The current image is ridiculous! Showing people like Hadise is a total joke! We should be showing Turks who have actually contributed to this world. I have created an image; 2 rows so far, I was thinking that we do a third row with people of today e.g. Hakan Şükür, Tarkan, Tansu Çiller, Hülya Koçyiğit etc.

Anyway, this is what I have created so far:

File:Famous Turkish people.png

This image consists of the following people:

• Top row, left to right:
  • Leyla Gencer - World-renowned Turkish operatic soprano.
  • Aydın Sayılı - Turkish historian of science.
  • Halide Edip Adıvar - Turkish novelist and feminist political leader.
  • Mimar Kemaleddin Bey - Turkish architect.
  • Feriha Tevfik - First ever Turkish model and Miss Turkey.
  • İbrahim Şinasi - Turkish writer.
  • Fatma Aliye Topuz - Turkish novelist, columnist, essayist, women's rights activist and humanitarian.
  • Turhan Bey- Hollywood actor.

• Bottom row, left to right:
  • Namık Kemal - Turkish nationalist poet, translator, journalist, and social reformer and Freemason.
  • Cahide Sonku - Turkish actress, model, writer and the first female film director in Turkey.
  • Mustafa Kemal Atatürk - Turkish army officer, revolutionary statesman, and founder of the Republic of Turkey as well as its first President.
  • Sabiha Gökçen - Turkish aviator and the first female combat pilot in the world.
  • Besim Ömer Akalin - Doctor and scientist.
  • Nigâr Hanım - Turkish poet.
  • Tevfik Fikret - Turkish poet.
  • Leyla Saz- Writer.

Turco85 (Talk) 15:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for this Turco85! I'll put it in the info box now. What about adding some olympic winners such as Ramazan Sahin, Ayhan Sureyya, Naim Süleymanoğlu or Halil Mutlu? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justinz84 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I have just realised that the image is a bit big. So I am going to remove the last two images; so it wil be 7 in a row rather than 8.Turco85 (Talk) 15:08, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Another image was already created. This image is made of non-free source images, so I am not sure about adding it.

File:TurkishPeople.png This one is better. Kaygtr (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I prefer the one which Turco85 has created. It has an equal amount of Turkish men and women who have contributed to society. The second image has too many politicians and seems a bit stereotypical with all those images of sultans. Turco85 is going to add one more row to the image so please feel free to give your suggestions. I agree that Orhan Pamuk should be in the image Justinz84 (talk) 21:35, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Kaygtr, not all those images that you have used is in the public domain. Its very likely to be deleted soon.Turco85 (Talk) 19:11, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Mahmud Kahghari should be replaced by another figure. He was not from Turkey/ Ottoman Empire and therfore does not fit into this article "Turkish people". --Babakexorramdin (talk) 10:16, 9 May 2010 (UTC)