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I just created this wikiproject, after several months of contemplating doing so. I hope everyone working on hurricane articles will get involved. I went ahead and wrote a bunch of guidelines, basically based on current practices...naturally since this is something I just wrote it doesn't necessarily represent community consensus and needs to be discussed. That discussion should probably go here for now...although eventually we may make these pages a little more structured. For a general TODO list, see the "tasks" item on the project page. Jdorje 23:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation hatnotes

So is there a clear consensus on how hatnotes should be used in tropical cyclone articles (or rather, how readers are directed to articles of other storms with the same name)? It bothers me seeing hatnotes on articles of storms that are clearly distinguishable by the year in the title. I took a look at two discussions about this and thought there was an agreement about only keeping the hatnotes on clearly more significant tropical cyclones, and maybe remove them on articles of less significant tropical cyclones. This would comply with WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:NOTAMB, and I also suggest that disambiguation pages should only be in the "See also" section of less significant storms. —JCMLuis 💬 16:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I would rather only see them in articles about a specific system and not seasonal articles, where they look rather out of place.Jason Rees (talk) 18:41, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe there is a clear consensus. If the title is clearly distinguishable by the year, then I don't think one is needed, as I stated in the two discussions that you mentioned. I think most of the disambiguation pages should be merged into the individual "List of named storms" by letter. It's essentially naming trivia for a bunch of storms that otherwise have no relationship to each other. For example, in Hurricane Cindy (2005), I just moved List of storms named Cindy down to see also. But honestly that same page isn't cited, and doesn't have all that much more than what's in List of named storms (C). And that page is useful since they might've been looking for Cinda (which is listed right above Cindy). Or maybe Cynthia. On the other hand, check out the beginning of Hurricane Dennis, which has List of storms named Dennis (since there's a chance they might've been looking for the Dennis in 1981 or 1999), as well as List of storms named Denise due to the potential for the name ambiguity. So I suppose that's a good example of when we need the hatnotes, when there is a legit chance for confusion. But the next storm of 2005, Hurricane Emily (2005), also had a hatnote, for no real reason considering that the page already has the year in the title, so I moved that hatnote down to the see also - "Other storms of the same name". So I don't know if it's a consensus exactly, but IMO there shouldn't be any hatnotes when the year is in the title, or in the cases where the year still doesn't help (like Tropical Storm Linda (1997) needing to also mention Hurricane Linda (1997) in the same year, just in a different basin). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:59, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like a pretty good evaluation of the situation. My one concern with merging "List of storms named X" articles is that the List of named storms by letter articles seem to be a bit incomplete. I might go through it and try to beef up some of the descriptions that are no more than an en dash. ✶Quxyz✶ 20:48, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the "List of storms named X" articles are based on the hundreds of dab pages. There's still the problem that they're largely unsourced. I think they could actually be featured lists, and a fantastic way of linking every named storm, if they were improved, and had sources for each storm/description. Not sure if that's what you had in mind, but it would be a great way of paralleling the other ways that people can find every storm: storms by area (like List of Florida hurricanes), storms by year/basin (tropical cyclones in 1991/1991 Pacific typhoon season), and storms by intensity (like List of Atlantic tropical storms). The "List of storms named X" adds another way for readers to accomplish that, and probably a lot better than relying on the hundreds of the dab/set index article pages. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:01, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believed the common practice was to include hatnotes only for systems without the year in the title, which would satisfy WP:NOTAMB as you have brought up, and at one point I went around trying to move the "List of storms named X" links to the See also sections instead. Over the past 2 or 3 years I've seen most of that undone, though I haven't really been around enough recently to notice by whom. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 16:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a shame. Not sure if we need to make it an official policy, but the hatnotes and such have always annoyed me a bit, mostly for how messy they make the top of the pages. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:15, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Date formats for NIO season articles

Throughout many articles covering North Indian Ocean cyclone seasons, MDY format is used. However, a few outliers—including the 2024 and 2016 articles—use DMY. Not only is this inconsistent, but per MOS:DATETIES DMY should be used instead of MDY. No country in the basin, much less the very RSMC that officially monitors it, predominantly uses MDY format. What reasoning, if any, is there for these articles to use MDY? ArkHyena (talk) 15:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions

Hello! I'm a new participant and helper and I have a few suggestions (though most of them might be far-fetched).

  • Suggestion 1: For the requested articles list, is there a way to archive the finished articles? More-so date-archiving them?
  • Suggestion 2: I've always thought competitions were a cool idea, since it's a little quiet here, how about starting another Cyclone Cup?
  • Suggestion 3: Just saw that there was a Peer review section in WIkiProject Mining. Since PR's are barely responded to, why can't we make a section to help the effort?

These are my suggestions for the WikiProject. I understand if you oppose them. Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unusual things I have observed in IBTRACS.

While looking at the 1971 Pacific Typhoon season's IBTRACS page, I saw that some storms (Like the first system, Sarah) were repeated. Why is this? The Wikipedia page for the 1971 Pacific Typhoon season alludes to some systems (like Super Typhoon Lucy) having some sort of secondary system, but what else?--The Space Enthusiast (talk) 00:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@The Space Enthusiast: The simple answer is that the computer program that IBTRACS uses to combine the BT Data, sometimes thinks that there is a second system when there is a significant difference between the average position and an agencies position. Some of these so called spur tracks are being fixed with time, research and systems being reanalysed.Jason Rees (talk) 01:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks!--The Space Enthusiast (talk) 22:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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