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Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
August 25 1 1
September 6 1 1
September 8 1 1
September 9 2 1
September 11 2
September 12 2 1
September 13 1
September 15 1
September 16 2
September 18 1
September 19 1 1
September 20 2
September 22 1
September 23 5 1
September 24 3 2
September 25 1
September 26 2
September 27 3 1
September 28 2
September 30 4 3
October 1 1 1
October 2 2
October 3 2
October 4 5 3
October 5 4 1
October 6 3 1
October 7 5 2
October 8 3 1
October 9 9 5
October 10 4 1
October 11 4 1
October 12 5 4
October 13 11 4
October 14 4 4
October 15 8 2
October 16 8 4
October 17 8 6
October 18 10 4
October 19 12 9
October 20 7 4
October 21 6 5
October 22 18 9
October 23 9 4
October 24 6 2
October 25 11 7
October 26 8 1
October 27 8 5
October 28 11 5
October 29 8 4
October 30 11 6
October 31 13 4
November 1 12 5
November 2 6
November 3 9
November 4 4
November 5 8
November 6 6
November 7
November 8
Total 307 127
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Frequently asked questions

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

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If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.


Instructions for reviewers

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Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
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Advanced procedures

How to promote an accepted hook

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
  1. Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: .
  2. Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
    • Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
  3. Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
  4. Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
  5. Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
  6. Hook should make sense grammatically.
  7. Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
  8. Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.

Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)

  1. For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
    • Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
  2. Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
    • Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
    • Check that there's a bold link to the article.
  3. If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
  4. Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
  5. Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
    • At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
  6. Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

      }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->

      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
      To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
      To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
      To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
      To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
      To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
      To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources:

  • To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on August 25

2024 Ohio Issue 1

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  • ... that the Republican-led Ohio Ballot Board was sued because its official summary for Ohio Issue 1, designed to improve redistricting, stated instead that the initiative would require gerrymandering?
  • Source: the Board's summary "describes the amendment, which is specifically intended to prevent partisan gerrymandering, as specifically requiring it."
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-gerrymandering-redistricting-bd589ead234436f1b113b35d28c71cc7#
Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

ProfGray (talk) 17:35, 26 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]

No reason not to review it now; if it gets approved, it can be placed in the special occasion section set up for election hooks to run after the November election in the US. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starting review:

  • As noted above, this should be held until after the upcoming elections
    • That will in turn require updating wording like to be voted upon in the November 2024 election. It would be useful to mark this up with {{Update after}} reminders now, but I'll leave that for somebody else.
    • Obviously, if we run this after the election, it will need to be updated with the outcome and probably reactions.
  • New enough (created August 25, nominated the next day)
  • Long enough
  • QPQ exempt
  • Earwig calls out lots of text duplication, but it's all properly attributed quotes, so no worries there.
  • Since this is a controversial issue, I gave the sources a close look. For the most part, they appear to be WP:RS. I do see a few duplicated sources, which WP:REFILL can help fix, but that's not a DYK criterion.
  • The Official arguments section does a good job of hewing to WP:NPOV.
    • I am, however, somewhat concerned about the Support section. The large "Yes" box duplicates much of the preceding paragraph, is not balanced by a "No" box, probably violates MOS:EMBED, and is almost certainly incomplete today and at risk of going out of date at any point in the future. I'd drop it.
    • I'm also unconvinced that the Polling section is useful and probably violates WP:NPOV since it only lists one poll.
  • I pretty much agree with Andrevan about the hooks. Although they all get under the 200 character official limit, they're all excessively wordy, and not very interesting.
  • RoySmith (talk) 14:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the review. I agree with some of your concerns, mostly about edits since my DYK submission, eg the Yes box (blown up from a more selective prose text) and the Polling. If (or: since) the DYK can't be run at this stage, I will wait to edit and update until after the election, ok? Given the timing, does the "new enough" criterion still a pass? After the vote, perhaps an better DYK hook will be apparent. Thanks for your review and for everyone's input here. ProfGray (talk) 21:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry about the timing; as long as you get the nomination in on time, you're good. If we hold it up because of our rules, that's on us. RoySmith (talk) 17:45, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RoySmith, ProfGray, I'm not nearly so sanguine that this one won't be closed on October 25 or 26 when it hits two months. If it's approved and in the special occasion section for nominations waiting for the election to be over, then there isn't a problem. If it's still not approved at the end of the coming week, there probably will be. I would respectfully suggest that ProfGray do whatever is necessary to get the article and/or hooks into such shape that the nomination can be passed during the coming week; any post-election edits can be made per whatever new information is relevant. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In response to points above -- the Polling section has been removed. The "Yes" support section has been balanced by a "No" opposition section. (I didn't happen to create this section, but I added a few opposing orgs and now it does seem balanced.) I adjusted some language to be more NPOV and I welcome any other concerns about the article. I will think about the hook, since it'd be great to run the DYK. I hadn't known about the two months conern.ProfGray (talk) 15:27, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, the article looks better now. The only thing left is to work on the hooks. In general, short snappy hooks are better than long complicated ones. RoySmith (talk) 15:33, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. It'd be great to get help with the hook. Personally, I find it interesting (fascinating, ironic, clever) that both the proponents and opponents claim to be against gerrymandering and both blame the other side for gerrymandering. The zany redistricting context is also interesting to me. But if these are not interesting, what would folks recommend for the hook? ProfGray (talk) 16:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would question whether a broad audience would know what gerrymandering was. Assuming it checks out, I suggest something less specific, like "that in the lead-up to the 2024 election, the summary of 2024 Ohio Issue 1 was a flashpoint for legal action".--Launchballer 12:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's an interesting point. My first thought was, "No, that's dumb. Of course everybody knows what gerrymandering is". But then as I read a bit of Gerrymandering I realized it's only an issue in places which use an election system similar to what we have in the US. If you are electing people based on total vote count across the entire electorate, it's not a thing. I don't honestly know enough about election systems around the world to know how many places it is a thing. RoySmith (talk) 14:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, my concern was that knowing the word took knowing a fair bit about politics. (I have limited interest in the subject and only know the term because I was reading about Tesco, whose founder's daughter was behind the homes for votes scandal.)--Launchballer 15:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I should ping @ProfGray:.--Launchballer 11:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I added your suggested hook as ALT3. Btw, IMO gerrymandering would be fine for the hook and a link to the gerrymandering article goes to a clear definition. ProfGray (talk) 00:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith: Could I ask that you assess my ALT3?--Launchballer 12:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • From a strictly copyediting point of view, how about shortening it to:
ALT3a: ... the ballot summary for 2024 Ohio Issue 1 was a flashpoint for legal action? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoySmith (talk • contribs)
That's fine by me.--Launchballer 19:42, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RoySmith, this nomination is getting seriously past its sell-by date. If you aren't willing to formally approve this nomination (ALT3a is just a shortening of an existing hook, and doesn't need a new reviewer), then it should probably be marked for closure. Thanks for deciding one way or the other with the appropriate icon at your earliest opportunity. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your considerable work on this, RoySmith and LaunchBaller ProfGray (talk) 14:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RoySmith: would you be willing to quickly tick a shortening of ALT0? I think it might end up being more interesting:

  • ALT0a: ... that Ohio's Issue 1 was intended to end gerrymandering, but the state ballot summary claimed Issue 1 would require it?

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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1917 Łódź City Council election

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Campaign poster for the 1917 Łódź City Council election
Campaign poster for the 1917 Łódź City Council election
  • ... that whilst socialists got 31% of the votes in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (campaign poster pictured), they only won five seats due to a curiae system implemented by the German authorities?
  • Source: Telma Tadeusz. Pierwsze wybory do Rady Miejskiej m. Łodzi, in Rocznik Łódzki, Vol. 11 (14). Państwowe Wydawnictwu Naukowe, 1966. pp. 134, 138-146, Antoni Goerne. Wybory do Rady Miejskiej w Lodzi w styczniu 1917, in Informator m Lodzi z kalendarzem na rok 1919. pp. 76-83
Moved to mainspace by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 396 past nominations.

Soman (talk) 11:08, 6 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • I'm not taking on the review, but just leaving a comment, as I'm puzzled. Without context, this may not be hook-notable I believe. The question left unaddressed is five seats out of how many. If it is five seats out of 15, this would seen rather non-notable. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:F804:C954:1D4C:5D11 (talk) 03:51, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I went back and forth on the wording of the sentence, but with the 200 characters cap it is difficult to get all nuances and factoids included. For me "only five" implies that it is less than proportional, but a rewording could be to replace "five seats" with "8%". --Soman (talk) 10:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General eligibility:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

Image eligibility:

  • Freely licensed: No - The licensing is incorrect, at issue is not the photograph copyright but the poster itself ({{PD-1923}} in the United States, not sure about Poland)—then you can use {{PD-scan}}
  • Used in article: Yes
  • Clear at 100px: No - all you can see is a number 5
QPQ: Done.

Overall: The article looks mostly fine, but I'm not sure about the hook. Non-proportional electoral systems are typical outside of continental Europe, where proportional representation based systems are more common. First past the post can cause equal amount of distortion. (t · c) buidhe 04:06, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But the hook states that the reasons for the disproportionality is the curiae system, which is arguably something different from FPTP dynamics. The curia system would be very weird present-day, to explicitly discriminate in favour of the wealthiest. There are some alternate takes on the on the hook, like ALT1 "... that while 55% of the voters in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) were working class, they only got 10 out of 60 seats due to a curiae system implemented by the German authorities?" or ALT2 ... that the curiae-based electoral system used by German occupation authorities in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) disproportionally favoured the non-socialist Jewish parties? Now ALT2 would require a bit of a rewrite in article and need another image though. --Soman (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the clarity of image, I selected precisely because it had symbolism that was readable even at 100px. I don't think we'd expect people to read the fine print, but in 100px the number 5 is clearly visible (5 times) and the largest text is readable ('vote for our list'). The designer of the poster wanted that a reader catch the number 5 clearly even from a distance. --Soman (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My point is that many electoral systems intentionally or not result in disproportionate seats for certain parties at the expense of others, thus it cannot really be a surprising fact that this particular electoral system has that result. (t · c) buidhe 19:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, this is not comparable to the issues from FPTP or STV electoral systems. Here was a case where an electoral system was explicitly designed to give a absolute majority to the wealthiest sections of society, with the explicit and publicly stated goal of ensuring a stable conservative majority. Now at the time the principle 1 citizen 1 vote was not universal by any means, but for present-day readers this is certainly something that would raise eyebrows. --Soman (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know a bit about how pre-German Revolution electoral systems worked in Germany (and as you've written here, applied to occupied territories), but the average reader doesn't. So I think if you are going to take that angle, it needs to be more clear in the hook. (t · c) buidhe 22:53, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Soman: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 00:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How about ALT3 - "... that the class-based curiae system used by German occupation authorities in the 1917 Łódź City Council election (poster pictured) disproportionately favoured the non-socialist Jewish parties?" --Soman (talk) 01:13, 16 September 2024 (UTC)?[reply]
@Buidhe: Please address the above.--Launchballer 11:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Soman: For me, the hook is dependent on knowing what a curiae system is and I don't, so I'd question whether a broad audience would.--Launchballer 21:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4 - "... that the electoral system imposed by the German occupation authorities for the 1917 Łódź City Council election (campaign poster pictured) disproportionately favoured the non-socialist Jewish parties?" --Soman (talk) 09:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine by me, with the caveat that I can't read a word of the source. If you're happy with the very slightly trimmed ALT4a: "... that the electoral system imposed by the German occupation authorities for the 1917 Łódź City Council election (campaign poster pictured) disproportionately favoured some Jewish parties?" I'll go ahead and approve this.--Launchballer 10:28, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT4a ok with me. --Soman (talk) 10:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let's roll.--Launchballer 10:29, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Soman and Launchballer: would you be okay with a tack like this?

  • ALT5: ... that socialists got 31% of the vote for Łódź City Council in 1917 (campaign poster pictured), but only 8% of the seats?
  • ALT5a: ... that socialists got 31% of the vote for Łódź City Council in 1917 (campaign poster pictured), but the system implemented by the German occupation authorities only gave them 8% of the seats?

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT5 is the better hook and AGF checks out.--Launchballer 03:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jewish dairy restaurant

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  • Reviewed:
Created by Andrevan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Andre🚐 09:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Not a full review, but the interesting thing about the article is the fact that Jewish dairy restaurants even exist in the first place, considering kosher laws. I'd suggest proposing hooks that focus specifically on that aspect, as least as possible options for the promoter, as the mere concept of the Jewish dairy restaurant is the elephant in the room here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Could you elaborate what you mean? Dairy restaurants are kosher. That is the entire point of them. The laws say not to mix milk and meat, that's why there isn't any meat at a dairyrestaurant. Andre🚐 12:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As a non-Jew myself, I just thought that the actual concept was interesting by itself. It might not be as obvious to observant Jews of course since they may take it for granted, but especially to people from places where Jews are not very visible it might be unusual. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:02, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, yes, I see what you mean. Yeah maybe there could be an ALT1 like:
A bit long perhaps? Andre🚐 14:05, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:DYKTRIM it could be shortened to something like "... that Jewish dairy restaurants specialize in food that accommodate the kosher Jewish dietary rules on milk and meat?" Would that be okay with you? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure sounds good. Andre🚐 00:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do think the original hook is interesting, I only mentioned the suggestion above so that it could be offered as an option. It's probably best for a reviewer to make the final decision. I've slightly modified the original hook to give Trotsky's full name since not all readers may know who he is. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:39, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It might be safer to leave it to another editor to do the actual review of the article content, although you can probably do some of the more technical aspects like article creation, hook interest, etc. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I thought that was part of the review! Andre🚐 01:05, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the one hand, I disagree with Narutolovehinata5, as I think they could have done the review themselves just as much as I could. But, on the other hand, I admire someone who takes the neutrality principle to such an extreme, and you have to respect that even if you personally disagree with it. With that said, such a position can also have unintended consequences, such as leading to the timing out of this nom due to such high-minded principles. Viriditas (talk) 01:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would it help if I review some DYKs that are in the backlog? Andre🚐 01:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're very much encouraged to do so, especially since any review can be used in the future once you are required to provide QPQs. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did a few! Andre🚐 23:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • To clarify Viriditas's concern, the reason I asked for a new review is more out of check-and-balance reasons. Personally I have a preference ALT1 (the straightforward hook), but others may disagree and think that the Trotsky angle is more interesting (and personally I do also find it interesting). Normally what I could have done is to approve both hooks and leave it to the promoter, but given how torn I am over the options I thought bringing in a third-party editor to give their own opinion would also help reach a proper consensus. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • You’re not wrong; both hooks are good. Although I have only managed to vet ALT0. If you can vet ALT1, do the review, pass both, and let the approver decide on which hook to use. Viriditas (talk) 03:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you both. I think we'd probably be able to verify ALT1 using the Ben Katchor book, The Dairy Restaurant, which I have in physical form. It's a surrealist trip, complete with lots of old menus and ads for dairy restaurants. I'll check and see if there's a succinct definition that we can use and what page that is on. Andre🚐 23:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Or actually, the NYT review of the book should do it: The subjects of Mr. Katchor’s new book, “The Dairy Restaurant” (Schocken, $29.95), were community cornerstones: cheap, filling refuges that made it possible for Jewish immigrants in New York to eat out according to kosher laws, by keeping milk and meat strictly separated, with fish, eggs and vegetables as neutral go-betweens. Good enough? If not, I'll check the book, though I can't do it tonight. Andre🚐 23:37, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really torn about what to write here. As a resident of the Bronx, I find ALT0 to be a wonderful hook. I had no idea Trotsky ever lived in the Bronx. The idea that I've literally walked down the block where he ate his meals just blows my mind. BTW, I found an ad for the Triangle Dairy Restaurant in the Daily Worker, https://www.marxists.org/history/usa/pubs/dailyworker/1929/1929-ny/v05-n344-NY-feb-08-1929-DW-LOC.pdf, page 3, rightmost column. And a photograph. But, WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE says avoid hooks that are primarily about an incident the subject is only tangentially related to which would seem to rule out the Trotsky hook. Still, it's such a great hook, I'd say WP:IAR and use it. RoySmith (talk) 23:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, very cool finds. "Comrades, Patronize The Triangle Dairy Restaurant." Love it. Andre🚐 23:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added a fact to the article, from a cited NYT review of the book, which could make a good hook: ... that growth of Jewish dairy restaurants was aided by better commercial refrigeration and periodic "meat strikes" against the high cost of kosher butchers? ProfGray (talk) 04:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is an interesting tidbit, but it feels like it would be hard to properly explain within the space of a hook, the meat strikes I mean. The refrigeration thing is also interesting. I mean I guess it's a hook that pulls you in and says, what the heck do you mean, meat strikes? But then we don't really explain what they actually did or were in the article ... yet..., but it may be difficult to do so. I'll have to see what Katchor says about it in the full text. Andre🚐 05:29, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Andrevan, what about going after the quirky angle that emphasizes the unique pluralism of America and the distinct melting pot culture of New York? Something along the lines of "...that one of the few, last remaining Jewish dairy restaurants in New York's East Village is run by an Egyptian Muslim and Polish Catholic couple?" Of course, that would require updating the article.[1][2] Viriditas (talk) 20:25, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is a great fact, though it's more about B&H Dairy. While I did include it in that article, I omitted it from this one, though not intentionally. We could shove it into this article but I'm not sure that I like it better than the Trotsky hook or the Narutolovehinata5 special edition straightforward hook. Also, ProfGray figured out about the meat strikes, they were the 1902 kosher meat boycott. That could make that fact usable. Andre🚐 23:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I found a place to sneak it into the article and it went in easier than I thought, so you have a Viriditas special edition pluralistic ALT4.[1] Andre🚐 23:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Based on my reading of the above, I think this article is ready for a full review. Z1720 (talk) 22:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the article is ready for review. ProfGray made some improvements and I also added the info Viriditas suggested for ALT4. Please let me know if we should spell out ALT4 or if it's clear enough from the earlier conversation. Andre🚐 23:26, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrevan: There is a citation needed tag on this article.--Launchballer 16:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll remove that statement for now (cc @ProfGray) Andre🚐 16:50, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. Long enough, new enough. QPQ unnecessary and Earwig has no valid complaints. The original and the ethnicity hook fail WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE and the meat strikes hook would require a link to 1902 kosher meat boycott, which I argue would distract the reader. I think this leaves only Naruto's straightforward hook, except I'm not seeing where exactly in the source it is - I'm sure I'm just missing it but @Andrevan: could I ask for a sentence in the source confirming this?--Launchballer 15:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As an exact spot in a source for ALT4 (if have the right one), how about this quote from the NYT Moskin piece? The dairy restaurants "...were community cornerstones: cheap, filling refuges that made it possible for Jewish immigrants in New York to eat out according to kosher laws, by keeping milk and meat strictly separated, with fish, eggs and vegetables as neutral go-betweens." If so, then an edit or sentence in the first paragraph could work. ProfGray (talk) 17:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes,that was the quote we had for ALT1, Naruto's, which I can get a page num from Katchor if we don't like the NYT piece. Andre🚐 19:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was asking for ALT1, which I can see now checks out.--Launchballer 01:02, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrevan and Launchballer: ALT0 is more interesting, but if we wanna go with ALT1, here's my crack at it:

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm, but doesn't this assume that readers know that a kosher "deli" serves meat? If they already know that, then wouldn't the hook be less interesting? Don't mind me if I'm overthinking it!
Also, I'd change "sell" to "serve."ProfGray (talk) 02:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is what I'm saying, ALT0 is better. But I did change to serve :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:57, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Jewish dairy restaurant: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia". en.wikipedia.org. Retrieved 2024-10-13.

Articles created/expanded on September 9

Alison Creagh

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Alison Creagh
Alison Creagh
Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 431 past nominations.

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:09, 9 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comment (not a review). The COI banner on the article (with circumstances detailed on the article talk page) needs to be resolved before this can feature in DYK. Cleanup banners are not intended as a permanent mark of shame for articles, but rather to indicate that something can and should be cleaned up. The question then becomes: do the circumstances described on the talk page mean that there is a COI that should be cleaned up? What must be done to the article to clean it up so this banner can be removed? —David Eppstein (talk) 00:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:WTRMT: neutrality-related templates such as {{COI}} (associated with the conflict of interest guideline) or {{POV}} (associated with the neutral point of view policy) strongly recommend that the tagging editor initiate a discussion (generally on the article's talk page) to support the placement of the tag. If the tagging editor failed to do so, or the discussion is dormant, and there is no other support for the template, it can be removed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Do you dispute the COI? Or should I have placed a "paid editor" tag instead? This DYK should siomply be closed, as we shouldn't have such "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" promotion. To quote from a question (not from me) from your 2019 RfA: "In one of the arbitration cases which resulted in a finding against you, there was a finding involving an undisclosed conflict-of-interest that resulted in serious subversion of the FA process. " We here have the same editor with an undisclosed COI at DYK. Here you start wikiwlawyering about the tag (even though I started a discussion about it on the talk page right away, where you haven't responded). Fram (talk) 07:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There was no such finding, and there was no undisclosed COI. What there is is an editor pursuing a pattern of harassment that got them blocked. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 09:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Are you really claiming that you have no COI wrt this article now? Or that the finding (passed 10 to 0) that " Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) has a previously undisclosed conflict of interest [...]" didn't exist? Or both? Fram (talk) 10:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There was no undisclosed conflict of interest. I have never edited for pay. I was an unpaid Wikipedian in Residence with Paralympics Australia. I have only met the brigadier twice: at the Boccia, where the Chef de Mission introduced us and we talked about our work at Paris 2024, and at the Rowing three days later, when I asked for a photograph, which I took and is used in the article. Please cease the personal attacks on myself and David Eppstein, who was only posting a comment. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    An organisation offers you all kind of help so you can write better or more articles about an event they are heavily involved in, and you then write an article about the CEO of that organisation. How is that not a blatant COI? And I have not made any personal attacks about you, and I haven't made any comment whatsoever about David Eppstein, so I have no idea where you see any personal attacks on them. Anyway, I'll raise this at the COIN board. Fram (talk) 18:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Without getting into whether or not this should run, WP:DYKTAG explicitly allows articles with COI tags.--Launchballer 23:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For context, reviewers should be aware of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Alison Creagh.--Launchballer 04:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hawkeye7: This is currently the oldest fully unreviewed nomination and PEIS is exceeded at T:TDYK, so I'm reviewing. Long enough, new enough. QPQ is valid, though you should take more care to place comments above the closing }}. Not that it was ever an issue per my comment above, but I've removed the COI tag anyway per the talk page. Earwig gobs off about names and WP:LIMITED but having investigated I see no issue with that or anything that might disqualify this here. The hook is short enough, cited, and interesting; while I would invite you to use a secondary source instead, the Honours List itself should be fine and googling around I see a bunch of RSs that have it anyway. Let's roll. Also, commiserations on your RfA - please don't let that discourage you from queuing.--Launchballer 13:34, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure this strictly violates any particular DYK policy, but I don't think this article should be promoted. The article is basically a proselist of positions she's held and when and where, like a resume. Looking at the sources, I'm pretty troubled by the spread here. I see Australian government sources for her getting an award from the Australian government, a couple of "about us" webpages, proselist sources of dubious reliability, and an interview. The Australian War Memorial source is the only one to actually do a real profile of Creagh, and it's a newsblog. If someone else wants to promote this, feel free, but I wanted to note my queasiness. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Engelbrecht !Nawatiseb

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  • Source: "Former Deputy Minister of Information and Communication Technology Engel Nawatiseb has parted ways with the Landless People’s Movement (LPM) after joining the party a mere month ago." -[3]
  • ALT1: ... that Engel Nawatiseb left the Landless People's Movement due to disagreements about who should drive during the party's fifth anniversary celebration? Source: "The source further claimed that these party members felt threatened by Nawatiseb’s position in the party. “People felt why is it only Nawatiseb driving the car and not them?” the source said. Following the complaints, the party allegedly took the car from Nawatiseb.", and "Another party source said Nawatiseb was insulted by a powerful young leader in the party about the usage of the car. “Apparently he wasn’t sharing the car with others. But once a car is assigned to you, it’s difficult to share, because once it is broken it becomes your responsibility,” another party source said. The source said the car was taken away a day after the party’s fifth anniversary. “On Sunday morning when they took the car, they embarrassed and insulted the man,” the source said." [4]
  • Reviewed:
Created by Samoht27 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

-Samoht27 (talk) 23:04, 11 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • I may review this nomination later today, but a quick comment is that while the source goes into detail about why !Nawatiseb was chosen to drive the car, why other party leaders were supposedly upset, and ostensible explanations as to why the car was reassigned, the article itself only talks about !Nawatiseb's embarrassment over the car being taken. I really like the second hook, but the disagreements should be detailed (or at least mentioned explicitly) in the article for the nomination to pass. Yue🌙 17:05, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, I think it should be "a celebration of the party's fifth anniversary", because to my understanding he was to drive for the celebration in a specific part of Namibia, as he was the only person qualified in that area. Yue🌙 17:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: References were spot-checked for verification; no issues arose. Both hooks are verified, but I prefer ALT1. However, I propose to the promoter this rewording of ALT1, which incorporates ALT0:

ALT2: ... that Engel Nawatiseb reportedly left the Landless People's Movement just a month after joining because of disagreements over who should drive during the party's fifth anniversary celebration?

The sources are the two already given. Yue🌙 20:13, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to butt in, but the article isn't good enough for DYK. At first, I intended to remove the stub tag (we don't run stubs at DYK) but it's arguably still a stub. There is nothing outside of his political career; no early life, education, or what he did before politics. The article therefore fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE. Secondly, the date and place of birth are both unreferenced and that's a violation of WP:BLP. Thirdly, about half the article deals with controversies and that feels unbalanced; hence it fails WP:NPOV. There's a lot more work required to get this ready. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Schwede66 08:17, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Samoht27 did you see the above? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AirshipJungleman29 Yes, I did, I addressed the issues within the article and informed Schwede66 about the changes.-Samoht27 (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they did, AirshipJungleman29. It’s the last item in my talk page archive 46. I did not understand why the note was not placed here and me being informed via a ping as it hardly makes sense to to start a conversation in a separate place. Either way, I replied that I would leave it to the reviewer to assess. But now I see that the reviewer doesn’t know anything about this as there isn’t anything here about the matter. Which just demonstrates why discussions ought to be kept in one place! Schwede66 16:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: Is there anything else that needs to happen before this is approved? If not, are you willing to approve this hook, or should we ping the original reviewer? Z1720 (talk) 22:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Z1720, sorry, I failed to reply to you. The reviewer (Yue) needs to looks into this. I haven't reviewed anything other than noticing that something had been given a green tick that looked like a stub (and it turned out to be a stub). I can't sign this off, short of doing a full review. Schwede66 05:22, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, I am on vacation and cannot do another review. Yue🌙 07:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Samoht27: After removing a chunk of negative BLP content per WP:BLPBALANCE this comes in at 1382 characters, and since this has only a couple of days left before it times out I am marking this for closure. I'm very sorry.--Launchballer 12:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on September 11

Shin Iza Gawna

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Statue of Shin Iza Gawna.
Statue of Shin Iza Gawna.
Created by Hteiktinhein (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Hteiktinhein (talk) 09:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

agreed! Thanks for new hook but full review needed. Hteiktinhein (talk) 20:36, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, please... I have an image of the monk's statue, and I’m trying to find it in my iCloud. I will upload it to Wiki Commons soon. Thanks! Hteiktinhein (talk) 21:23, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Photo added. It's good time to full review. Hteiktinhein (talk) 16:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: New enough and long enough. AGF on hook fact locked behind Snippet View and written in Burmese; also AGF on paraphrasing. Image should not be used, unless we can ascertain that the statue is public domain. Per commons:COM:FOP Myanmar, there is no FOP in Myanmar; consequently, although the image may have been freely licensed in good faith, the statue may preclude it from being true.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 17:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the PD Myanmar license since the stone statue was installed in 1966, which is over 50 years ago. This allows us to use the picture under the PD Myanmar license. Thanks. Hteiktinhein (talk) 06:33, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done, however, i'm ok promote without image. Thanks Hteiktinhein (talk) 19:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hteiktinhein and Crisco 1492: Source 2 is an opinion piece, source 5 looks like a webpage with no editorial control, and source 6 is a YouTube video. Are we sure these are reliable? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I had AGFed on the foreign-language sources, but looking closer... Source 2 reads like a travelogue, so yeah, it might be good for oral history (a big part of SE Asian culture) but I'm not seeing what exactly it's supporting (and it would have to be attributed properly) and should be better supported. I'm not able to access Source 5. Source 6 is by Ashin Aggadhamma, an abbott who did his PhD on Buddhism in Burma, so I think he meets the reliability guidelines for WP:SELFPUBLISHED. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 12

Benjamin Franklin Shumard

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Oak species named after Benjamin F. Shumard
Oak species named after Benjamin F. Shumard
  • Source: in his honor: Buckley, Samuel Botsford (1860). "Description of Several New Species of Plants". Proc. Acad. Nat. Sci. Philadelphia. 12 (published 1861): 443–445 – via JSTOR. got him fired, see page 7, line 4 of this source: Roessler, A. R. "Reply to the charges made by SB Buckley, State Geologist of Texas, in his official report of 1874, against Dr. BF Shumard and AR Roessler." (1875). https://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/bc3d474b-4e53-4980-8240-9b48ba20b33d/content see also: p.144 (p2 of pdf): Young, Keith (1994-01-01). "The Shumards in Texas". Earth Sciences History. 13 (2): 143–153.
Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

ProfGray (talk) 18:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comment: Hello, professor! I like what you are trying to do, but we want to avoid writing a cell phone novel. Let's also try to drill down and figure out what is interesting. First thing that caught my eye was that this man was a practicing geologist and a practicing physician! That's unusual and interesting, don't you think? He was a State Geologist for Texas and a professor of obstetrics at the University of Missouri! That kind of thing would be unheard of today. Further, you mention he was involved in several geological controversies and his research was expanded upon by others. I feel that you are not giving us the most interesting parts of the article. :-) Viriditas (talk) 22:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This shortens it. Try something similar to this:
  • … that an assistant to Texas chief geologist Benjamin Franklin Shumard named an oak species after him, but then sabotaged his reinstatement by Governor Sam Houston?
It's great to get a specific editing suggestion, with which I've replaced the proposed hook.ProfGray (talk) 13:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0 is shortened considerably now. Needs new review. Viriditas (talk) 18:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Not keen on the tree picture, as we want to focus attention on Shumard. Article is new enough, long enough, and sourced adequately (I have added a citation needed tag). Earwig shows 24%, but that is a very long title and nothing else. Abbreviated ALT0 only approved.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your time and effort with the review. I supplied the needed reference and removed the tag, thanks. I don't need to do anything about the other ALT hooks, right? ProfGray (talk) 17:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per the JSTOR source, I don't think Buckley's allegations were relevant to the lack of reinstatement, since he only made them well after Shumard's death. (The article says that he only noted the allegations in the '74 report and made them well before, but I'm not seeing that.) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 03:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

U Wasawa

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Created by Hteiktinhein (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Hteiktinhein (talk) 09:51, 12 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Hello Hteiktinhein! DYK is user driven, with various incentives to review hooks such as to complete their QPQ, interest, or simply goodwill. Predominantly foreign-language sourced articles or longer articles tend to take time to review due to the necessity to verify the various points. It is important to understand that, because sometimes it can take hours or even months, with no guarantee on the article being reviewed as soon as you want it to. Patience is important, and it is important to keep in mind there is no inherent rush for the nomination to move forward once it has been put out there. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:03, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi @Hteiktinhein: I'm sorry you've had such a long wait to get this article reviewed. I have some problems about this article. In the lead paragraph, you say that "Local media have referred to him as a "Buddhist terrorist"", but (unless I've missed it) neither this Myanmar Now article, this RFA article, nor this Frontier Myanmar article use the phrase. Also, as a person unfamiliar with Burmese politics, this article confuses me. Some of these sources seem laudatory of U Wasawa (for example this National Post blog), but they are being treated as reliable sources for an article which is largely critical of him. Can we explain why some sources are for him and some are against? And how the various groups in this article are related? Why the YMBA support him and what the title "Mingala Dhamma Jotikadhaja" means? As this article is, I don't think it can go forward. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 15:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 13

Virginia Beach Police Department

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Created by SSBelfastFanatic (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Erin (SSBelfastFanatic) (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • Promising factoid, but with no provided citation to back it up here. Article was created 15 days ago (on September 3)—a week and change beyond the normal eligibility deadline—but became an AFC graduate on the 13th, so at least we're good here. Said article also has a {{more sources needed section}} banner, which fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE and might as well be addressed ASAP. To the editor now known as @PhoenixCaelestis: As far as your DYK skills are concerned, you're starting to get there, and with two go-rounds in this arena so far, I'll forgive you for that. Wishing you luck next time, and best of editing! --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 12:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Slgrandson: I have solved the tag by yeeting the whole section and several others, that one per WP:DUE.--Launchballer 14:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Slgrandson: Is this approved? If not, what does @PhoenixCaelestis: have to do? I note that your review makes no mention of a copyright check and I think you should do one.--Launchballer 21:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PhoenixCaelestis: I've waited long enough for @Slgrandson: to respond, so I'm taking over. By "I think you should do [a copyright check]", I mean "there is close paraphrasing in this article"; much of what Earwig picks up comes under WP:LIMITED as it is the name of the crime, but there are still common phrases that could be changed. Ping me when done.--Launchballer 11:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 15

Nathania Ong

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Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 171 past nominations.

KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 13:49, 17 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Narutolovehinata5: that's a reasonable point, though this was what I deemed to be the most interesting "factoid" in the article. And even if it really were the case (that this is "actually not uncommon"), how many times have such hooks appeared on DYK? It sure can't beat the river-related hooks of yesteryear 😆 KINGofLETTUCE 👑 🥬 14:15, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, if no one else is going to....


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - Hook does not seem to be supported by source. Ong had not seen Les Mis before auditioning, but was told to go home and watch the film, audition again, and then she was offered the role.
  • Interesting: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Needs a new hook. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 20:54, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • How about:
ALT1 ... that Nathania Ong had not seen Les Misérables before auditioning for the role of Éponine? (will need to be reflected in the article)
ALT2 ... that Singaporean theatre actress Nathania Ong's father was an acapella singer and a dentist? (might not meet WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE, but I'm not really seeing much else in the article that's usable)
ALT3 ... that Nathania Ong led the singing of Singapore's national anthem during the closing ceremony of the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics?
Not sure if any of these are usable, however. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on September 16

Krzyż i półksiężyc

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Created by Piotrus (talk) and Oliwiasocz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 524 past nominations.

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:20, 24 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Aydoh8[contribs] 01:03, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:DYKNEW, seven days can be extended by a day or two upon request. This is fine.--Launchballer 01:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Superseding X icon because the newness was incorrectly assessed. Pinging reviewer Aydoh8 to return and reassess. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
done. Aydoh8[contribs] 21:06, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Piotrus and Aydoh8: The source says that Umiński was one of the earliest Polish SF authors, and that The Cross and the Crescent is something that could be military science fiction, but it doesn't really say that The Cross and the Crescent is one of the earliest MSF books. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 03:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You do have a point Theleekycauldron. It doesn't explicitly state that The Cross and the Crescent was one of the first MSF books, it is implied however I'm not sure if we can run with that. Aydoh8[contribs] 03:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Krwawy chleb

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Created by Piotrus (talk) and Oliwiasocz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 523 past nominations.

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

WP:QPQ: A nomination which doesn't include a QPQ (and is not from an exempt nominator) may be closed as "incomplete" without warning.--Launchballer 00:19, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: Per a recent rule change as a result of this discussion, the old rule where QPQs must be provided within a week of the nomination has been phased out. Instead, QPQs should be provided at the time of the nomination, and any nomination that does not immediately provide a QPQ is liable for closure. Doing the QPQs "later this week" is no longer sufficient: they have to be given at the time of the nomination, and you must provide them as soon as possible if you do not want your nominations to be closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:07, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Launchballer and Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for the heads up. I am not very happy with this change. I've always done my QPQs on time, with submission (and I've done hundreds of them), but just recently someone translated a bunch of my articles form pl wiki without heads up, and I am trying to rescue some of them for DYKs within the time period - and I am a bit busy IRL so for the first time I delayed QPQ. And then this happens. Sigh. You know you can trust me do to my QPQs, no? It's not like I will drop noms here and run. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:16, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Launchballer already gave an ultimatum for your open nominations: provide a QPQ within 24 hours of the messages, or they will be closed. If you do not think it will be feasible to complete them all in time then it may be better to just let them go for now and try to avoid this repeating in the future. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:23, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that a QPQ was provided for this nom, so it needs a full review.--Launchballer 21:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi @Piotrus: I'm sorry there's been such a delay in reviewing this. This article is unfortunately not new enough. It was translated on the 15th and this DYK nom is from the 24th. When promoted, it included a non-existent quote from the (English language) review by Sister M. Andrea; a portion of the quote from the Polish Librarians' Association which, in square brackets on the Polish wikipedia, was translated here as if it was their own words; and no original Polish for the many Polish quotations (per MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE). I've fixed these issues, but even now there isn't much to this article beyond a plot summary and a disjointed set of quotes from reviews (some of which, like "social accents", hardly make sense in English). Better wishes for your next DYK, Tenpop421 (talk) 14:14, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:DYKNEW, the seven day requirement can be extended for a day or two if needed. Still work to be done though.--Launchballer 14:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 18

The United States of America (album)

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  • ALT1: ... that the title of the 1968 album The United States of America was intended to be a political statement akin to "hanging the flag upside down"?
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: Had to find an alternate source that I could easily link to as the article uses a book source
Improved to Good Article status by Iostn (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Iostn (talk) 21:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

It would be brilliant. But add the italics and the quotation marks and it should work reasonably well on any day. Surtsicna (talk) 20:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article was promoted to GA status 5 days before the DYK nomination. It is, unsurprisingly, also long enough and it meets the sourcing, neutrality, and copyright requirements. The hooks proposed by Iostn are fine, but there is a clear potential for something much grander. See Launchballer's suggestion. We rarely get such gems in the rough, Iostn, but let me know if you cannot bother and I will approve your original hook. Surtsicna (talk) 20:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Surtsicna, I think I'm going to hang on with this nom and wait for the April Fools' proposal, if possible Iostn (talk) 15:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iostn: While quirky, I do not think this hook fits the spirit of the type of hooks used in the April Fools DYK set. Z1720 (talk) 23:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It could in theory work as a regular quirky hook rather than an AFD hook, although the decision about that could be left to a promoter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:54, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a few other quotes that could be used instead, such as 'met a "mixed reception"' or something from 'wasn't half bad. Some of it was embarrassing but some of it really stood up over time'.--Launchballer 10:00, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on September 19

Chauncey Archiquette

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  • Source: Path Lit by Lightning: The Life of Jim Thorpe (Thorpe said "[Archiquette] was my football idol and in our scrub games with the homemade football I always tried to emulate him") / Carlisle Vs. Army ("[Thorpe] was particularly taken with the team's star runner, an Indian boy named Chauncey Archiquette ... One day, Thorpe told himself, I'm going to be as tough as Chauncey ... [Thorpe, after watching practice] raced back and forth over the empty field, zigging here, zagging there, trying to emulate his idol.")
Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 247 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'll probably have to cite WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE here: don't assume everyone worldwide is familiar with your subject. And for what it's worth, I made a bit of an informal survey about this on Discord, and the three editors who responded said they didn't know who Thorpe is. Note that my thoughts about the hook are independent of the survey; in fact, I made the survey because I wanted to know if American editors might find the hook interesting and to check my own thoughts. As for the nomination itself, the safest option here is probably to try a completely different angle. While ALT1 is arguably a better option, as you said, it loses some of the punch with the additional context. Thorpe is no Lionel Messi or Michael Jordan to warrant the angle, methinks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm rather stunned at the idea that Thorpe isn't well known enough. I don't really see any other good options with the article as well. Would changing the hook so that it does not mention Thorpe, but still has that aspect, work? – I.e. something like ALT2 ... that the "greatest athlete in the world" was inspired by Chauncey Archiquette? (I'd need to add the quote to the article, but Thorpe has widely been called that.) BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's a better hook, but I'm not sure if it will pass scrutiny. DYK usually wants quotes in quote hooks to be attributed whenever possible, but adding an attribution to the hook would probably weaken the article's punch. It might be a good idea to seek opinions from other editors who are experts on wordsmithing like RoySmith, Theleekycauldron, or Launchballer. In any case, I'd suggest dropping any hook that directly mentions Jim Thorpe per WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE and either having only ALT2 for consideration for now, or trying a different angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also have never heard of Jim Thorpe, although that may be because I know little about sports in general. I quite like ALT3: ... that tacklers "bounced off" Chauncey Archiquette "as if he were a brick wall"?.--Launchballer 15:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That works. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:49, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi BeanieFan11. This article created on the 18 September (and promoted to GA since) is long enough, new enough, well-sourced, neutral, and copyvio free. The article is presentable. The QPQ has been done. I'll admit, I (non-American) was not familiar with Jim Thorpe before this DYK, so I prefer ALT3. However, I don't love ALT3, because it seems like similar things have been said about a lot of American footballers. Perhaps it is worth making people click through to see who Jim Thorpe is in order to have an interesting hook? All hooks are cited and I've verified the citations. Good to go. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 21:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm also not wild about ALT3, both on attribution and interestingness, but I wouldn't object to someone else promoting it. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 03:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]



Articles created/expanded on September 20

Khun Tan (mystic)

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Created by Hteiktinhein (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Hteiktinhein (talk) 06:34, 20 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

ALT1-a: ... that, in hopes of gaining good luck, six girls from the Alantaya area were married to Khun Tan, a layman who claimed to be the future Buddha?

ALT1-b: ... that Khun Tan, a young guy, is worshipped as a bodhisattva in the Alantaya religious area?

ALT1-c: ... that girls in the Alantaya religious area believe that marrying the layman Khun Tan would bring blessings? Hteiktinhein (talk) 18:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genocide in the Hebrew Bible

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Created by Buidhe (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 252 past nominations.

(t · c) buidhe 05:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • I don't see the hook in the article. It is OR to interpret labelling one's enemy "Amalek" as applying biblical command to "spare no one". I haven't checked the sources, but the article does not support the hook. Srnec (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, the original hook I was thinking of is ALT1 below but I wasn't sure if it would be accepted either.
  • ALT1: ... that genocide in the Hebrew Bible has been cited as an inspiration by the Crusaders, Rwandan Hutu, and Israeli leaders? (t · c) buidhe 02:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll take a stab at this. I trust Buidhe to be the subject expert and do good research, but I concur that the section on "Justification for violence" here is a bit underdeveloped for the hooks proposed. I can't find the text of the article clearly confirming ALT0. As for ALT1, I'd ask "justification for what"? Carrying genocide? But that is not clear from the short quote about Pope Urban in the 11th century and then... Martin Luther? Did Luther called or tried to justify some genocide? I'd ask for that section to be expanded, clearly stating who said what, and in particular, who might have tried to justify genocide. The second paragraph in that section is more clear, and perhaps an ALT2 about "Genocide in the Hebrew Bible being used by Israeli leaders to justify their actions in the Israel-Hamas war" might be fine, and would probably draw more views too. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Alt1 isn't about justification, rather inspiration. Leaving aside Luther's arguably genocidal stated beliefs about Jewish people, something along the lines of your hook may be better. (t · c) buidhe 03:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT2 ... that Israeli leaders have described their enemies in the current Gaza war as targets of divinely commanded genocide?

(t · c) buidhe 03:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 21

Articles created/expanded on September 22

Barquq Castle

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Barquq Castle
Barquq Castle
  • ... that the front façade, gateway, mosque and minaret of Barquq Castle in the Gaza Strip were still standing until 2024?
  • Source: Abu Khalaf 1983, p. 182: "Nowadays the Khan is almost demolished, but the front part, which consists of the fac;ade including the gateway and the Mosque with its minaret still stands."
Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 79 past nominations.

Onceinawhile (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. I have done the QPQ now. Onceinawhile (talk) 06:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 23

Korzeniacy, czyli Jesień wsamrazków

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Created by Piotrus (talk) and Oliwiasocz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 527 past nominations.

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:32, 1 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Kichuś majstra Lepigliny

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Created by Piotrus (talk) and Oliwiasocz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 526 past nominations.

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:24, 1 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • @Piotrus: The hook seems to be behind a paywall. Can you give a short quotation from the citation that references the hook for verification?--v/r - TP 14:54, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @TParis: For me this is free to download without even Wikipedia Library (just requires a free account, which I encourage you to register). Anyway, the text is on p. 290 and states in Polish: "Ostatnią część rozdziału Staniów poświęca polskim inspiracjom twórczością włoskich autorów i nawiązaniom do niej (na przykład Kichuś majstra Lepigliny Janiny Porazińskiej, zwany „polskim Pinokiem”)". FYI the referred work is „A jednak Pinokio! O literaturze włoskiej dla dzieci w Polsce w latach 1945–2012”, a chapter in a 2014 book Przekłady w systemie małych literatur. O włosko­polskich i polsko­włoskich tłumaczeniach dla dzieci i młodzieży (the cited article is a review of it). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Much of the citations are Polish books that I do not have access to nor read the language. So I am basing the copyright check on my opinion of the reputation of the nominator. The hook is interesting enough, but I think the bit about intentionally using archaic language is even more interesting if @Piotrus: wanted to incorporate that into a hook too. But passing since the existing hook is good enough. v/r - TP 23:09, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Muthkwey

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  • ... that məθkʷəy̓ was not harvested or walked over, because it had grown from the droppings of a two-headed serpent?
  • Reviewed: Noken system
  • Comment: Will work on the QPQ shortly, thank you to the reviewer in advance! Done the QPQ!
Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 43 past nominations.

Ornithoptera (talk) 23:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Hi Narutolovehinata5, the "weird spelling" in question is the Americanist phonetic notation that is used for Indigenous North American languages. Like many terms in the languages of the Pacific Northwest Coast, məθkʷəy̓ is not "romanized" in the traditional sense because they still use Latin characters and contemporary inclusions of the notation are often unedited, such as "ʔálʔal Café" rather than "All-all Cafe" I will provide some examples of such:
For further reading, here is a quote from the University of British Columbia on the matter: "In the 1970’s, the Musqueam community began their journey towards language revitalization, and formally adopted the North American Phonetic Alphabet (NAPA). NAPA allows the sounds of hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓ to be more accurately conveyed in writing. The symbols that may be unfamiliar to you, including ə, q̓, θ, xʷ, and more have corresponding phonetics that you can learn in order to pronounce written hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓."
There is no "standard" transliteration, most English language sources refer to the plant as məθkʷəy̓ with no alteration. The article title was based on the one that Wayne Suttles employed in his 2004 Musqueam Reference Grammar, but there are multiple ways to transliterate this term without a standardized form, nor is there much of a need to, as the base of the notation are Latin characters. I thought it would be ideal to use the term with no alteration as many other sources have before. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:04, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I was asking because, from what I remember, DYK usually doesn't use non-Latin characters in hooks. I'm pretty sure there was a guideline about it (I think using the language template?) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To my understanding Narutolovehinata5, the Americanist phonetic notation is (to a degree) the Latin alphabet, and I'm sure there have been instances where letters such as Þ or ð have made their way into DYK before. For the record, I am comfortable with adjusting it if at the end of the day it is in violation of DYK guidelines, but I thought it might be good to have my thoughts on the matter before jumping the gun. I do hope that there isn't a double standard for some non-standard characters from certain languages over others. Ornithoptera (talk) 00:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi @Ornithoptera: this interesting article, created on the 23 September, is new enough, long enough, well-cited, and presentable. QPQ done. Hook short enough and cited. Nice work. My only gripe is that the "Tradition" section doesnt make totally clear the distinction between legend and real history (this is also true, to some extent, of the hook) as per MOS:WAF. I'll also suggest the following ALT, as this seems to be the headline of the story:
ALT1 ... that the identity of the sacred plant məθkʷəy̓ is unknown?
Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 23:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello Tenpop421, thank you for taking the time to review this article. I have always been wary about using the term "legend" within articles that discuss Indigenous oral traditions. Members of Indigenous communities have been typically cautious of outsiders using terminology that implicates their oral traditions and histories as simply mythological (for various reasons). Corrina Sparrow in her Reclaiming Spaces Between: Coast Salish Two Spirit Identities and Experiences explicitly states: "I will mention; however, that this story is not told as a myth or a legend; it captures an actual encounter with sʔi:łqəy̓ that happened thousands of years ago." I'm wondering if we can preface the original hook with "according to Musqueam oral tradition" instead? If that is not an adequate compromise, I'm amenable to the alternative hook you have provided. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ngiam Tong Dow

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  • Source: "In 1968, we went to the World Bank meeting. The South Africans were there and we invited the South African Finance Minister to our hotel room."

"Dr Goh wanted to buy gold at a fixed price, rather than a floating market price. So we agreed to buy 100 tons, a substantial amount, at $40 US dollars." "Then he took out his US one dollar note. And sliced it into halves! Just like that. He gave half to me and said, "You keep this. I will keep the other half and my man will meet you in Switzerland."" "I handed the sliced US dollar note over. He took out the other half. It matched! The serial numbers were the same."

Ngiam, Tong Dow. A Mandarin and the Making of Public Policy: Reflections by Ngiam Tong Dow. ISBN: 978-9971-69-350-3
    • Reviewed:
Created by BenTanXiaoMing (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 09:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: v/r - TP 15:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BenTanXiaoMing: @TParis: This hook violates WP:EGG, and the claim that it is/was the "largest" purchase is never mentioned in the article, just that it was the first. A new hook is needed. Kimikel (talk) 03:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kimikel: "Largest" was in there at the time of the review. It was removed in this edit by @Justanothersgwikieditor:. I've added it in with a new ref. And the hook is fine. No one expects to find an article titled "purchase of gold from South Africa". But here is an alt anyway.--v/r - TP 13:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 is good to go. Nobody would reasonably infer that a link saying "purchase of gold from South Africa was completed" would lead to a page about a Singaporean civil servant, so ALT0 is not fine, per WP:EGG. Kimikel (talk) 23:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're just going to skim over the fact that you accused me of lazily not verifying the original hook without checking the article's history?--v/r - TP 01:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did not "accuse" of you of anything. I simply noted that the article and the hook did not match, which is a requirement for DYK. Get over yourself. Kimikel (talk) 02:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because it had been changed after the review. Geeze, some people--v/r - TP 02:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BenTanXiaoMing and TParis: I wouldn't call an autobiography a reliable source for a claim like this, unless it was clear someone independently fact-checked and verified it. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Bear season 2

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Created by Mjks28 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Mjks28 (talk) 02:32, 25 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@Mjks28 and Lbal: Earwig shows that The Bear season 2 §§ ep12​ and ep18 are largely identical to the first paragraphs of Honeydew Transcript and The Bear Transcript, respectively. For the former, there's an archive showing that it existed on July 16, over a month before the Wikipedia article was published. This potential copyright violation should have been found in the review, and needs to be addressed before the hook can be promoted to prep. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mjks28: could you please address the copyright problems within a week? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: Sure thing, what would you like me to do specifically? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjks28 (talk • contribs) 04:54, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Repinging theleekycauldron, since previous ping wouldn't have gone through since the post lacked a sig. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]



Articles created/expanded on September 24

Sankar Montoute

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  • ... that Sankar Montoute was the first NFL player from Trinidad and Tobago?
5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 251 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]


* The article is long enough and well sourced. The hook is verifiable against the reference provided. Most of the references provided in this article are paywalled. But considering that this article is a Good articles/Sports and recreation, these can be accepted in good faith. The article has been recently substantially expanded. The article has recently undergone a successful GA Review and awarded Good Article status. The hook is interesting and article seems good enough for DYK. Sarvagyana guru (talk) 05:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tick mark suitably modified Sarvagyana guru (talk) 08:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11 and Sarvagyana guru: gonna quickly suggest:

  • ALT1: ... that Sankar Montoute became the first NFL player from Trinidad and Tobago in 1987?

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Expandable card game

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Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 519 past nominations.

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  • I think there is an issue with the article, which is that going by the most of the sources in the article and the hook source, the WP:COMMONTERM appears to be "living card game", and therefore that should be the title of the article and the boldlink. For related reasons I think ALT1 is actually the more interesting hook, though it would benefit from rephrasing to make it punchier. I'm keen to hear other opinions. David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 23:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How You Get the Girl

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Taylor Swift performing "How You Get the Girl" on the 1989 World Tour in 2015.
Taylor Swift performing "How You Get the Girl" on the 1989 World Tour in 2015.
    • Reviewed:
Converted from a redirect by Brachy0008 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

brachy08 (chat here lol) 09:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Article is well balanced, sourced and written from a neutral point of view. It is new enough, as it has been moved from draftspace within the last 7 days and the earwig tool found no signs of copyright violation or plagiarism. The hooks are interesting enough and the sources provided are reliable. Well done, Wolverine XI (talk to me) 10:19, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

personally, i feel that the original hook is suitable (because of the image) also bc i have less than 5 dyk noms, qpq doesn't really apply to me (yet) brachy08 (chat here lol) 10:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case, then you should probably remove the second hook. Wolverine XI (talk to me) 10:46, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

removed brachy08 (chat here lol) 11:14, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Brachy0008 and Wolverine XI:, I can't find where the sources verify that the choreography was inspired by Singin' in the Rain—while the Independent says "there is a mass “Singing in the Rain”-style choreographed dance sequence to “How to Get the Girl”", which isn't quite the same thing. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
tweaked. @AirshipJungleman29: brachy08 (chat here lol) 00:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think "styled from" makes sense. The best you can do at present is something like "that one reviewer said the choreography is like Singin' in the Rain". You don't have a quote from anyone who actually knows about what the inspirations were. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:54, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
tweaked again. how does it look? @AirshipJungleman29: brachy08 (chat here lol) 00:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been resolved? If so, is this ready to approve? Z1720 (talk) 23:13, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...probably? I think a copyedit might be needed, as in ALT0b: ... that the choreography of How You Get the Girl during the 1989 World Tour resembled the 1952 musical Singin' in the Rain? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:38, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, that's really just the thought of one reviewer, so it should be attributed. But "Reviewer thinks choreography of one song is like one musical" doesn't make for a great hook. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on September 25

Kazimierz Sakowicz

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5x expanded by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 525 past nominations.

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:31, 25 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]


Articles created/expanded on September 26

Culinary Class Wars

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Senior judge Paik Jong-won is a celebrity chef in Korea.
Senior judge Paik Jong-won is a celebrity chef in Korea.
  • ALT1 ... that the judges of the Culinary Class Wars suffered from over-eating but judge Paik Jong-won (pictured) still ate his packed lunch too?
  • ALT2 ... that the dishes in the Culinary Class Wars were discarded after judging to prevent others from tasting them and disagreeing with the judges?
    • Created by Andrew Davidson (talk) and Windershaker (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 131 past nominations.

    Andrew🐉(talk) 20:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • At the time of nomination the article was exactly 7 days old (which fits I guess), and the length seems to fit standard. There are some good English sources and a lot of Korean coverage, so I don't doubt that this is notable. Earwig says no copyvios, but the article is a bit messy. (Why does the "endless cooking hell" section have nothing in it, for one?) Most importantly, the hook is also little bit vague, and I don't think it would capture much attention. Good day, Wuju Daisuki (Talk? 뭐 그까이꺼 대충!) 17:11, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    * @Z1720: The article looks in better shape now, but the alt you provided is not well written, nor would it be very interesting if it was. Good day, Wuju Daisuki (Talk? 뭐 그까이꺼 대충!) 02:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Z1720: Thanks to Z1720 for taking an interest. I'm not understanding Wuju Daisuki's objections to the ALT1 hook, which seems fine to me. Maybe we just have different tastes. To help avoid an impasse and establish a consensus, please could Z1720 say what they think of the hooks? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Andrew Davidson: My opinion is that I am confused by ALT1 because I do not know who Paik Jong-won is. After looking at the image caption and clicking on Jong-won's link I was able to piece together that he is a judge, but it takes too long for me to understand the hook. I like ALT0 more because it is succinct and understandable. If the image is going to be used, it needs to be included in the article. Z1720 (talk) 11:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Hanif Kureshi

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    Converted from a redirect by Ktin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 106 past nominations.

    Ktin (talk) 01:27, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Extremely no-fun comment: If this goes on the main page, the copyright status of the images in it should be clear. I'm looking at c:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/India, and it says that there is not freedom of panorama "For copyrighted 2D (paintings, drawings, maps, pictures, engravings, etc.)". It seems that only sculptures, and art that is not "Paintings, drawings, or photographs", has FOP. So.. did Hanif Kureshi dedicate his art to the public domain? Is his estate (if any) willing to, if he didn't? I'm not demanding the images be removed or anything, just that if we can't be sure, it may be better to withdraw the nom and keep the possibly questionable images than proceed with the nom if the image copyright status can't be ascertained. (Of course, if the copyright status can be ascertained to be good, then great.) SnowFire (talk) 03:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on September 27

    Slop (artificial intelligence)

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    “Shrimp Jesus” is a commonly cited example of AI slop
    “Shrimp Jesus” is a commonly cited example of AI slop
    • ... that slop emerged in 2024 over “pollution”, “garbage” and “dross” as the preferred term to describe low-quality AI-generated material?
    • Reviewed: N/a
    • Comment: First own DYK nomination. I like this one because a lot of people contributed (images, categorizations). Feels very fresh.
    Created by Jenny8lee (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Jenny8lee (talk) 20:39, 4 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    Image eligibility:

    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Welcome to DYK Jenny8lee, I hope you have a wonderful time here, and I hope I can help facilitate your entry the best I can! Created and nominated within a week, long enough, sourced and neutral. QPQ not required because of the nominator being below 5 nominations. I have some questions regarding the hook, since the original article's wording was as such:
    "One increasingly intuitive answer is “garbage.” The neuroscientist Erik Hoel has called it “A.I. pollution,” and the physicist Anthony Aguirre “something like noise” and “A.I.-generated dross.”"
    It seems like these terms were used by one or two people, rather than being in use beyond those individuals quoted within the article. I believe it might be a good idea to re-word the hook(something along the lines of "AI slop has been referred to as "garbage", "pollution", and "dross"), or find something else altogether. The quotes within the lead of the article should be attributed to their sources as well. In addition, I'm not entirely sure whether the AI generated image is free (regarding the copyright of a derivative work, this is a fairly new policy as well). I'm going to ping @Theleekycauldron: to see what they think regarding the matter. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • ALT1 that thousands of people showed up in Dublin, Ireland for a non-existent Halloween parade due to an article on an AI-produced website in what became a viral example of AI slop in the physical world.

    Source 1: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dublin-fake-halloween-parade-ireland-ai-advert-b2639505.html Source 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/24/opinion/ai-annoying-future.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenny8lee (talk • contribs)

    Per WP:DYKTRIM, I suggest ALT1a: ... that a viral example of slop prompted thousands of people to visit Dublin for a non-existent Halloween parade?--Launchballer 13:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Phoebe Plummer

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    Created by Launchballer (talk) and Folkezoft (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 253 past nominations.

    Launchballer 03:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on September 28

    Old City of Gaza, Old City of Nablus

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    Church of Saint Porphyrius and the Katib al-Wilaya Mosque
    Church of Saint Porphyrius and the Katib al-Wilaya Mosque
    • Source: Awad, Jihad (2017-01-15). "Conserving the Palestinian Architectural Heritage". International Journal of Heritage Architecture: Studies, Repairs and Maintenance. 1 (3): 454. doi:10.2495/ha-v1-n3-451-460. ISSN 2058-833X. The old city of Nablus has suffered, probably more than any other Palestinian city, from the massive invasion by Israeli forces during the second uprising which started in 2000. Many restoration projects were previously completed by the municipality but unfortunately destroyed by the Israeli bombing of the old city. Many buildings were heavily damaged by Israeli rockets during April 2002. A project was carried out by UNDP and funded by the Japanese government to rebuild the houses. Then in December of 2003, many houses were again damaged during Israeli military activity. This kept recurring: buildings were repaired and then damaged.
      Mraffko, Clothilde; Forey, Samuel (2024-02-14). "Israeli bombs are wiping out Gaza's heritage and history". Le Monde.fr. Retrieved 2024-09-29. Whether the Israelis act intentionally or not, "the result is effectively the erasure of a heritage and a history. Symbolically, this is important because this is one of the ways in which people are attached to their territory," warned Benoît Tadié, former cultural adviser to the French consulate general in Jerusalem between 2009 and 2013. He takes as an example the Old City of Gaza, which, like much of the north of the enclave, is now a vast field of ruins. "It wasn't just a site, it was also the heart of today's city. The hammam and the Pacha's Palace were extremely popular places. The museum also served as a place of education for schoolchildren," explained Tadié.
    Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 80 past nominations.

    Onceinawhile (talk) 09:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Thanks Launchballer. All the sources are in the bibliography - let me add in-line citations throughout where they have been missed. I will confirm when done.
    On the Jihad Awad source, I am confident that it is reliable - Professor Awad is full professor of architecture, currently head of architecture department at Ajman University, and this paper (a conference submission) is cited in his official University biography page. He subsequently published an article covering a similar topic here. The statement is not difficult to source elsewhere if needed. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fine by me. Full review needed.--Launchballer 03:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    WIT Press conferences are scams. That source must absolutely be replaced. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds

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    Improved to Good Article status by PanagiotisZois (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

    PanagiotisZois (talk) 18:04, 28 September 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @Launchballer: Thank you for contributing to the discussion. :) Taking that into account, would ALT0 work as "that Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds focusing on a gay man who pretends being straight to seduce another man came from writer-director Phillip J. Bartell's desire to invert the first film's premise?"? I can come up with a few alternatives if needed. PanagiotisZois (talk) 22:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    ALT2 still violates that policy I'm afraid, and I still think ALT1 is more interesting. I would however suggest a slightly shorter version of ALT1 per WP:DYKTRIM, ALT1a: ... that a scene in Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds caused many actors to drop out?. Full review needed.--Launchballer 20:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Launchballer: I fear that if ALT1 is trimmed, it will end up becoming less interesting. On the one hand, it can be argued that it creates a sense of mystery. As in, "why did many actors drop out?". But on the other hand, the idea that actors dropped out of a role because the character has sex in a portable toilet is definitely unique and will also catch people's attention; I think. PanagiotisZois (talk) 21:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I can see arguments either way, I'll let a reviewer/promoter decide.--Launchballer 22:10, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    PanagiotisZois, this is not a review either, but I'm afraid retaining ALT1's bit about sex in a toilet would be borderline "excessively sensational or gratuitous" as per WP:DYKINT; concealing the scene in question through ALT1a should arguably make for an "Intriguing hook that leaves the reader wanting to know more". Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 16:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @PanagiotisZois: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 23:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think this requires PZ's attention as there is still a valid hook on this page, i.e. ALT1a. This needs a reviewer.--Launchballer 23:20, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Articles created/expanded on September 30

    Wasswa Serwanga

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    • ... that Wasswa Serwanga and his twin brother were the first two NFL players from Uganda?
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Society for Crypto-Judaic Studies
    • Comment: Could expand his twin brother's article (Kato Serwanga) to add to the hook if needed. Might also work to have a hook on the aspect of his wealthy father narrowly surviving an attempted murder from Idi Amin and selling his possessions in exchange for a plane ticket to bring Wasswa to the U.S. (not sure how it'd be best worded though...). Also, the QPQ will be done within 24 hours.
    5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 258 past nominations.

    BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:15, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Roger Farmer (American football)

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    • ... that Roger Farmer was the first NFL player from Barbados?
    Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 257 past nominations.

    BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Article meets eligibility criteria. Recently promoted to GA status. No issues with tone / neutrality nor with plagiarism. Hook is reasonably attractive. Sourced to a NFL record sheet / database. At some point I thought DYK frowned upon hooks like "the first x from y". But, I am not able to find that discussion. Nevertheless, I am happy to mark this hook approved. That said, if the nominator wants to attempt a different hook, I am available for a review. Handing this back to the nominator. QPQ done. Ktin (talk) 15:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    This hook fails the interestingness check in my view. Someone is going to be the first NFL player from Barbados, and so all this is really telling me is that it's a guy named Roger Farmer; there's zero element of surprise. Sdkb talk 04:11, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Will see if I can come up with an alt hook tomorrow. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:18, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Could do something like: ALT1 ... that Roger Farmer was among the first two NFL players to come from his high school, to come from his college, and to come from his country? (refs 14/15/16) BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:43, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Might be me, but, this is hard to follow as a statement and I personally don't think it is adding to the 'interestingness'. Ktin (talk) 04:39, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There have also been several of these "first NFL player from X" hooks proposed lately. Given the recent pushback against "first" hooks, it might be safer to go with a completely different angle here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ktin, Narutolovehinata5, and Sdkb: Maybe something like ALT2 ... that Roger Farmer made the NFL despite playing in college for small schools that mainly had "terrible records"? ("he went to Eastern Arizona, which had terrible records both years he was there ... In 1976 ... he came to Baker along with several Arizona recruits from junior colleges ... While Farmer started, Baker had a terrible 1976 record") BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:03, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yup, that works. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:24, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @BeanieFan11: There are two things that I am not comfortable with -- 1. What is a "small school"? There is no objective agreed definition and I do not think we should send that phrase to the homepage. 2. Though I see your attempt to add terrible records within double quotes, it still comes across as WP:WIKIVOICE and imo that phrase should not go to the homepage. Ktin (talk) 04:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ktin: Would the angle be more acceptable if the quote was attributed rather than being in Wikivoice? Something like:
    • ALT3 ... that Roger Farmer reached the NFL despite playing for schools that the Salina Journal described as having "terrible records"?
    • ALT3a ... that Roger Farmer, the first NFL player from Barbados, reached the league despite playing for schools that the Salina Journal described as having "terrible records"?
    Other than that, if more information could be found about his personal life and post-NFL career, maybe a new hook based on that could be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Negussie Roba

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    Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 256 past nominations.

    BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Hi BeanieFan11. This article, improved to GA status on the 30 September, is new enough, long enough, well-sourced, and copyvio-free. QPQ done and hooks short enough and cited. I think ALT1 is interesting enough. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 16:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


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    Henri Claireaux

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    • Source: [5] ("Mais, plus importante fut l'introduction, pour la première fois, d'une représentation directe au Parlement français ... De 1947 à nos jours, Saint-Pierre et Miquelon a eu trois sénateurs : Henri Claireaux (1947-1968)... [But more important was the introduction, for the first time, of direct representation in the French Parliament ... From 1947 to the present day, Saint-Pierre and Miquelon has had three senators: Henri Claireaux (1947-1968)...]."); see also List of senators of Saint Pierre and Miquelon
    Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 259 past nominations.

    BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Hi BeanieFan11, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 2 October and exceeds minimum length; article is cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources; the sources are either in French or paywalled so not much I can check on paraphrasing but Earwig is clear; QPQ has been carried out; I've struck ALT1, although it is supported by the source the overall length of his tenure was just shy of 22 years; on ALT0 the source and article don't say "first French senator from Saint Pierre and Miquelon" but first to represent the place in the Senate. Unlikely I know but it leaves open the possibility that someone from there was elected to the senate as a representative of somewhere else. Perhaps AL2 below works? Happy to consider alternatives. - Dumelow (talk) 17:12, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • ALT2: ... that Henri Claireaux was the first representative for Saint Pierre and Miquelon elected to the French Senate?
    Thanks, I think it technically needs another reviewer to approve - Dumelow (talk) 05:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @BeanieFan11 and Dumelow: I'm sorry, I find ALT2 far too person-does-their-jobby to meet WP:DYKINT. What else have you got?--Launchballer 18:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @BeanieFan11, Dumelow, and Launchballer: How about ALT3 ... that Henri Claireaux criticized the devaluation of the French franc in 1958, claiming it devolved Saint Pierre and Miquelon into "a state bordering on poverty"? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 16:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd be fine with that. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am not quite sure that it is supported by the source which has:

    Henri Claireaux prend régulièrement la parole en séance publique au début de la Ve République. Il a ainsi, avec Jacques Soustelle, ministre délégué auprès du Premier ministre Michel Debré, un échange assez vif le 17 novembre 1959. Henri Claireaux estime en effet que « le fait d'avoir réduit de 25 millions la subvention au fonds de compensation » en faveur de Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon accule la population de l'archipel à « un état voisin de la misère ». En outre, la dévaluation de décembre 1958 a, selon lui, eu des conséquences désastreuses sur le pouvoir d'achat des Saint-Pierrais.

    My French is a bit rusty but between that and Google Translate I get something like: "Henri Claireaux spoke regularly in the public sessions at the start of the 5th Republic. He had, with Jacques Soustelle, minister delegate to Priem Minister Michel Debré, a quite heated exchange on 17 Noember 1959. Henri Claireaux considered that in "the fact of having reduced by 25 millions the subsidy" for Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon had reduced the population of the archipelago to "a state bordering on poverty". In addition, the devaluation of December 1958 had, he said, had disastrous conseuquences for the purchasing power of the people of Saint-Pierre." From the sounds of things Claireaux's claim of a "state bordering on poverty" related to the reduction in subsidy and wasn't explicitly linked to the devaluation - Dumelow (talk) 07:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe ALT4 ... that in 1959, Henri Claireaux claimed that a reduction to a subsidy to Saint Pierre and Miquelon would devolve the territory into "a state bordering on poverty"? Up to the reviewer if "French senator" should go before his name or not. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Criminals (Meghan Trainor song)

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    Moved to mainspace by MaranoFan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 76 past nominations.

    NØ 20:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 3

    Brick by Brick: How Lego Rewrote the Rules of Innovation

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    Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 528 past nominations.

    Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • New enough, long enough, and neutral if a tad quote-heavy. Sources are good although many are on the short side. The hook is sourced (if not the main focus of the piece... which is a bit sus researched in general, the Guardian article mention Mindstorms approvingly but that was one of the things Knudstorp cut as money-losing?!) I made some edits - feel free to adjust if you disagree, I don't think they were so major as to impede the ability to review. QPQ is done.
    • While this is DYKN not GAN, in the realm of more subjective issues, there are currently just three sentences on Content. Granted, the last time I nominated a book for DYK reviewers complained that there was too much content so maybe I'm not a median source here, but this seems a bit shallow, merely verifying this is a book on Lego's business turnaround. Do Breen & Robertson have anything deeper to say? Not asking for a huge expansion or anything, but even a small one might help.
    • (As side chatter, I got to see Knudstorp speak once, although inexplicably no one has taken a better photograph than my blurry 2010 one yet. Interesting fellow.)
    • Anyway, in querying, I think the hook may be a little too mysterious by only saying "a 2013 book". I'm personally a fan of not forcing hovers (which don't work on mobile) to find out where a link will go. Any thoughts on this alternative hook that spells out the name of the book?
    • SnowFire (talk) 05:57, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Light Weight Air Warning Radar

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    • ... that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was designed to break down into waterproof containers that fit in the Douglas DC-2, were taken ashore from a trawler in canoes, and in one case manpacked up 200 foot cliffs? Source: Minnett and Briton both detail the waterproof aspect and DC-2, Minnett relates it being brought ashore by canoe and quotes the cliffs
    Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 201 past nominations.

    Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 4

    Maria Muntañola Cvetković

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    Moved to mainspace by Miraclepine (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 59 past nominations.

    ミラP@Miraclepine 19:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    History Instructing Youth

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    History Instructing Youth
    • ... that the 1896 History Instructing Youth (pictured) is a US one-dollar bill featuring a woman on the obverse and the reverse?
    Moved to mainspace by Bruxton (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 158 past nominations.

    Bruxton (talk) 15:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Hi @Bruxton:. This article, moved to mainspace on the 4 October, is new enough, long enough, well-sourced, copyvio-free, and presentable. Hooks cited and short enough. QPQ done. ALT3 is by and far the most interesting hook. Might want to punch it up a bit by replacing "1896 US one-dollar silver certificate" with "a 1896 dollar bill", but this can be done in the prep area.
    My only gripe is about the section entitled "Controversy". It's not clear that people objected to the nudity or skin colour of the people in this note (both are fair-skinned and the woman is very covered up) and therefore the relevance is dubious. Also, for some sociological background, Smithsonian mag tells us that the note is "a reflection of the time’s child savers movement—whereby white, middle-class philanthropists assimilated immigrant and lower-class children into productive workers and good citizens", which might be worth inclusion. Tenpop421 (talk) 17:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tenpop421: Thank you for the review. The controversy section is about the three "notes" in the Educational Series. I will make that clearer in the section. I thought it was relevant to explain why the BEP would replace a series after just three years. The information you suggest might be a good addition to the article but I hope that does not stop the DYKN. Bruxton (talk) 00:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bruxton: alright that's somewhat clearer. I understand why you'd want to have these controversies mentioned, but I've trimmed it down a little so it's not undue. If that's all fine with you, the article is good to go. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 00:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Leonardo da Vinci (Isaacson book)

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    ―Panamitsu (talk) 03:30, 5 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Fawzia Amin Sido

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    Created by Galamore (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Galamore (talk) 09:15, 4 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • The sources used (VoA & BBC) don't even mention any involvement of Israeli forces except a spokesperson saying: "The Israeli military said Ms Sido was eventually freed during a "complex operation coordinated between Israel, the United States, and other international actors" and taken to Iraq via Israel and Jordan". … Iraqi foreign ministry official Silwan Sinjaree told Reuters that several earlier attempts to rescue her over the course of about four months failed because of the security situation in Gaza.

    So according to the sources, Israel was certainly involved and probably partly enabled her escape, but also the security situation in Gaza had actually delayed her rescue.

    That this is a remarkably heartbreaking story is not disutable, that she was rescued as a result of Israeli army actions seems pure spin based on these sources.Pincrete (talk) 14:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Sanewashing

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    • Source: Tornoe, Rob (2024-10-01). "The 'sanewashing' phenomenon". Editor and Publisher. Retrieved 2024-10-05. So, how do you avoid sanewashing Trump or any other politician? The first thing you can do is employ a 'truth sandwich' in your coverage. Developed by author and linguist George Lakoff and promoted by New York University professor and author Jay Rosen, it basically means to surround a lie or misstatement with the truth.
    5x expanded by Soibangla (talk), Jonathan Deamer (talk), and Superb Owl (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

    Jonathan Deamer (talk) 08:22, 12 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • 2 bits of jargon readers are unlikely to know is too many for a hook. I would try another one that focuses on sane washing specifically without introducing other terms. (t · c) buidhe 23:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • ALT2: ... that Will Bunch, columnist at The Philadelphia Inquirer, believes sanewashing "has all but clinched Merriam-Webster's Word of the Year for 2024"? The Philadelphia Inquirer: "I think sanewashing has all but clinched Merriam-Webster’s Word of the Year for 2024 — not just for its cleverness, but because finding the right language may be having a positive impact on our politics and our future."
      • ALT3: ... that according to Urban Dictionary, the word sanewashing was coined in a Reddit forum for neoliberals in 2020? Columbia Journalism Review: "The term itself actually isn’t new, and it wasn’t born in media-criticism circles, per se; according to Urban Dictionary, it was coined in 2020 on a Reddit page for neoliberals (which Linda Kinstler wrote about recently for CJR), and meant “attempting to downplay a person or idea’s radicality to make it more palatable to the general public."
    @buidhe Thanks for the feedback! Fair point. I've added two alternatives above. I'm trying to keep it about language/journalism rather than go into an (even more) political territory for DYK purposes. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 17:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT2 doesn't seem like a hook unless it happens, the etymology mentioned in ALT3 is not particularly noteworthy for 21st century neologisms. I feel like you should have some good material in the article, maybe a hook focusing on a particular alleged instance or in relation to the main political figure to which it's applied (i.e. trump) would be better. (t · c) buidhe 14:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @buidhe I hear you on "focusing on a particular alleged instance or in relation to the main political figure to which it's applied". Here are a couple of different spins on a similar idea:
        • ALT4: ... that both Tim Walz and JD Vance were accused of sanewashing in the 2024 vice presidential debate? MSNBC: On Tuesday, Vance took that same "sanewashing" approach to the debate stage in New York. When pressed by the moderators about Trump calling climate change a "hoax," for example, Vance deflected. Instead of answering yes or no, Vance tried to "interpret" for Trump. The Hill: The term 'sanewashing' is going around among liberal media critics, the idea that the media is too willing to normalize [former President] Trump and Vance's behavior," Silver said in a Substack post Wednesday. "Wasn't Walz sanewashing Vance? He said nothing about the Republican ticket's conspiratorial claims about Haitian immigrants eating pets, for instance.
        • ALT5: ... that Nate Silver suggested Tim Walz was sanewashing by not mentioning Donald Trump's "conspiratorial claims about Haitian immigrants eating pets" in the 2024 vice presidential debate? The Hill: The term 'sanewashing' is going around among liberal media critics, the idea that the media is too willing to normalize [former President] Trump and Vance's behavior," Silver said in a Substack post Wednesday. "Wasn't Walz sanewashing Vance? He said nothing about the Republican ticket's conspiratorial claims about Haitian immigrants eating pets, for instance.
    Not a full review. I'm not sure about notability. WP:NEO specifies that use of a term does not count towards the notability of the term, only mentions of it do. It's why we don't have a page for, say, kiwi (word) but do for antidisestablishmentarianism (word). Mediaite, for instance, only indirectly mentions the term in passing by embedding a Tweet. The October New York Times source does not mention the term at all.
    All non-primary sources (all sources not directly coining the term) come from 2024, and the term might just be a passing fad that disappears with the conclusion of the election. It might even be folded into Rhetoric of Donald Trump, as it just seems to be a spinoff. Bremps... 21:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Neknampur Lake

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    • ... that Neknampur Lake restoration "has been recognised as a role model in the 'watershed development' category along with four other projects" in India?
    • ALT1: ... that the restoration of Neknampur Lake was recognised "as the best model of lake restoration in India"? Source: * [5] [6] [7]
    • Reviewed:
    Created by Sarvagyana guru (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

    Sarvagyana guru (talk) 06:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @Piotrus:

    I think I had reviewed three nominations (as per best of my understanding). These are

    Note to Sarvagyana guru and Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus: the QPQ reviews provided do not appear to be complete DYK reviews, covering all the basic DYK criteria such as newness, length, neutrality, free of copyvio, hook cited and interesting, and so on. In particular, Sankar Montoute and It's OK I'm OK only discuss the hook, and Hugh O'Neill, Earl of Tyrone only mentions length and "well-sourced" in its approval, which is not adequate. I have also adjusted both hooks to change the italics into quote marks; I also discovered that the article failed to properly identify the actual quotes for those hooks, which is technically a copyvio, so I have adjusted it accordingly. This meant adjusting the quotes to cover more material. (In once case, two apostrophes together were used in the article rather than the double-quote character, causing italics there rather than visible " marks at the beginning and end of the quote.) Piotrus, I think a more careful review of the quoted material is in order, given what I just found. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @BlueMoonset: I see, thank you. I confirmed before and double checked now that the quoted terms for the hook(s), i.e. 'watershed development' and 'best model' appear in sourced cited, so the article seems fine, once the QPQ reviews are done (well, a single one will suffice to pass this, but it would be good to fix the others, which @Sarvagyana guru: can then use as fuel for two more DYKs :) PS. Sarvagyana guru, please WP:PING me when you reply here to me, otherwise I may not see your message. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Piotrus: As per the feedback received, review of DYK for Sankar Montoute done. Review of It's OK I'm OK and Hugh O'Neill, Earl of Tyrone will also be attempted as per given suggestions. Sarvagyana guru (talk) 06:03, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @BlueMoonset: I think the QPQ for the Sankar Montoute is ok now? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Piotrus, the new review seems to cover what's needed, though I haven't checked the details. (Minor quibble: if sources are being accepted AGF because they can't be checked online, then the tick should be the gray {{DYKtickAGF}} rather than the regular green ({{DYKtick}}, but it's a common error made by reviewers of all experience levels.) BlueMoonset (talk) 16:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Per above - GTG. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:05, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    References

    1. ^ "Neknampur Lake Restoration Gets NITI Aayog Recognition".
    2. ^ "Rejuvenated Neknampur lake wins Niti Aayog laurels".
    3. ^ "Neknampur lake gets Niti Aayog's recognition".
    4. ^ "Once a dumpyard, this Hyderabad lake is now a hub for eco-friendly events".
    5. ^ "Neknampur lake: Private entity's sustainable restoration earns recognition from CSE".
    6. ^ "Neknampur lake garners accolades for restoration".
    7. ^ "Restoration of Neknampur Lake receives praise".

    Jurong East MRT station

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    • ... that it was proposed for the Jurong East MRT station in Singapore to have a recurring disco to increase its vibrancy?
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: Add wikilinks for 'Jurong East MRT station'
    Improved to Good Article status by ZKang123 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Imbluey2 . Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 14:17, 5 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Claiming this for review and hope to get to this within the next few days. For what it's worth I like the hook and think it's interesting. I've made some copyedits to the hook such as linking and bolding. Given that the nominator is Imbluey2 and not ZKang123, no QPQ is necessary. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:43, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The article was promoted to GA status on time and I didn't find any close paraphrasing (the 34.6% figure Earwig gives is a false positive). No QPQ is needed for Imbluey2 as nominator (had ZKang123 done the nom, a QPQ would have been required). The hook is interesting and cited inline. My only concern is a minor one: the article/hook and the source do not fully agree. The article says that Yao proposed discos, but the newspaper source said a disco. That may need to be clarified. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:54, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The newspaper said a reoccurring disco in the station. It should be added to the hook as "it was proposed for the Jurong East MRT station in Singapore to host a reoccurring disco party to increase its vibrancy?". Maybe modify the "reoccuring" part since it doesn't really flow well imo. Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 13:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello @Narutolovehinata5? Can we continue with the DYK nomination? Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 23:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm still waiting for the discrepancy to be resolved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:00, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5 fixed the DYK hook to "a recurring disco" since the newspaper source said that it was proposed for people to host a disco. Yeo's quote of justifying his proposal implied that the disco would recurring ("maybe in the evenings", evenings in this context implies reccurance imo). Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 10:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know. The source doesn't outright say "recurring", and while one could argue that the meaning is implied, the lack of a direct support from the source probably makes that specific wording unsafe. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:19, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Just to follow-up, the article and hook still need to match the source before this can be approved.

    Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:25, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Sorry, I've been busy the past few days and forgot about this. Anyways, I was wondering if it's possible to get a third party to comment on this matter? It's unclear what the news article meant so I think we should get someone else's oponion.Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 15:00, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Trainsandotherthings and SounderBruce: Would it be okay if either of you take a look at this and give feedback on the hook sourcing and wording? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi, thanks for the ping. Based on my interpretation of the source, the person proposing the disco wanted to hold it in the evenings (plural) which implies a recurring event. That's just my reading of the source, so I don't claim to be objectively correct. I've placed this discussion on my watchlist for a month, so I'm happy to help out further if needed. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:20, 2 November 2024 (UTC) Note: I did not promote it to GA status, it was ZKang123. I just did some minor edits including the disco one.[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 6

    John Hawks (architect)

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    5x expanded by Generalissima (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 86 past nominations.

    Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 00:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: The article is new enough and long enough. In regards to your comment above, it looks like this actually was nominated without seven days of the 5x expansion. The hook is interesting and cited. No copyright problems. There's probably not a picture of him out there anywhere. I didn't see anything on a quick search. Approving the hook. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:12, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Middle East International

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    Created by Padres Hana (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Padres Hana (talk) 15:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @Padres Hana: Please address the above.--Launchballer 10:54, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    ZIZ

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    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Typhoon Virginia (1957)
    • Comment: It all started last weekend when I Googled up "Caribbean broadcasting call signs" while browsing results for various regional TV stations on a whim. A GBooks result offered a tidbit on an entity called VP2LO, a shortwave outlet that in the years ahead evolved into the Kittitian national broadcaster--a topic I broke ground on back in my early days on WP. (I was lucky to save it from A7 during its December 2007 launch--barely.) Face it, WP is still in dire need of better and more extensive coverage on Caribbean media.
    Apologies if I used a thesis here, but regrettably, it's the only source mentioning this factoid--anywhere--as far as Google's aware (WP:AGF). Meanwhile, as I type, Doc Taxon at WP:RX has been taking care of the last three bits we need to get this finished.
    First of two DYK candidates of mine before Milton approaches my home area; see you in another couple of hours with the next one.
    P.S. Wonder if there are any established editors from Saint Kitts and Nevis itself? (I myself hail from Dominica.)
    P.P.S. As always, special greetings to Barbados' CaribDigita (talk · contribs) and Trinidad's Guettarda (talk · contribs)--along with SafariScribe (talk · contribs), who approved one of my recent go-rounds at AFC, The Right and the Wrong.
    5x expanded by Slgrandson (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

    Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 23:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 7

    The Children's Book of Virtues

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    Moved to mainspace by Slgrandson (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

    Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 03:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    I was wondering why I got pinged to a random DYK, now I know! :D SirMemeGod  12:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sir MemeGod: Sorry, I mixed up my reviewers days ago; see above for correction. (You actually approved Children's, while Bkissin approved Compass.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Texas and Pacific 610

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    • Source: Heinecke, Harry (January 28, 1951). "City, Show and T&P Officials Help 'Bed Down' Old 610 in Its Last Stall". Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Vol. 17, no. 362. p. 1 – via Newspapers.com.
    • "T&P Steam Locomotive, Gift to City Will Keep Iron Horse Memories Alive". Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Vol. 17, no. 353. January 19, 1951. p. 1 – via Newspapers.com.
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: I honestly only want to know what earning the DYK nomination is like, after successfully nominating two pages the Good Article grade. I just wasn’t sure which fact is the most interesting in No. 610’s page.
    Improved to Good Article status by Someone who likes train writing (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Someone who likes train writing (talk) 20:50, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Comment I think this would be a better hook:
    I'm not certain which sources in the article support this, but I'm sure you can provide them, @Someone who likes train writing:. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment That actually sounds better. Thank you, @Trainsandotherthings:. Here are a couple of sources that back this fact up.:
    • Marrs, Jim (February 25, 1976). "Hundreds Due to Greet Engine 610". Fort Worth Star-Telegram. p. 4 – via Newspapers.com.
    • Boyd, Jim (February 1978). "Tales of a lanky Texan". Railfan. Vol. 2, no. 2. Carstens Publications. p. 31.
    Someone who likes train writing (talk) 21:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    LaTasha Barnes

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    • ... that one of the most popular places to learn swing dance and lindy hop is in Malmo, Sweden?
      • Reviewed:
    Created by Wroliver (talk).


    Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Wroliver (talk) 18:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Hi Wroliver, the article says onyl that the "Herrang Dance Camp is one of the most popular places in Europe to learn swing dance and Lindy Hop" and is sourced to its Wikipedia article. This wouldn't be acceptable and would need an independent source. Additionally it doesn't seem to have much to do with the subject of the article LaTasha Barnes, a hook focussing on her would be preferred. Finally, the article has been tagged for promotional tone and unclear citations that needs resolving before it can be posted - Dumelow (talk) 09:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Wroliver, just a reminder on this. If I don't hear back in the next couple of days I will close the nomination as unsuccessful. All the best - Dumelow (talk) 21:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd propose ALT1: ...that jazz dancer LaTasha Barnes began her career as a sergeant in the U.S. Army? Sdkb talk 05:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Marking for closure as article continues to have significant citation issues. It has also been tagged for promotional content - Dumelow (talk) 08:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Wroliver has requested to keep this open for another day or so. There is significant work to be done here to address the tags on the article though - Dumelow (talk) 22:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Alt DYK proposed for LaTasha Barnes article: DYK that dancer/choreographer LaTasha Barnes began her career as a sergeant in the U.S. Army? [1]

    Note: I have made some revisions to the article to address concerns mentioned, including removing the Wikipedia reference and replacing it with a better reference. I've attempted to keep a neutral tone throughout, and changed some of the language for that purpose. Please let me know if any other changes are needed.Wroliver (talk) 21:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTasha_Barnes[reply]

    Hi Wroliver, thanks for getting back to me. I have been through "Early years" and "Performing career" and noted a few bits that are not supported by the sources cited. Can you look to resolve these and any other similar parts of the article before I continue the review - Dumelow (talk) 10:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've also tagged a sentence copied verbatim from the cited source. Please address this and also any other similar instances, we cannot violate copyright in this way - Dumelow (talk) 10:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Wroliver, further to your message on my talk page I have looked at the next section "Cultural Ambassador and Educator". Again it is full of statements not supported by the source cited or where better sources are needed. Can you please address these and look at the remaining two sections to check for similar issues. It is very frustrating to have to go through this article line by line. It is basic policy here that anything stated in the article should be supported by the source - Dumelow (talk) 08:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 8

    Diane Leather

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    • ... that Diane Leather was the first woman to run a mile in under five minutes?
    5x expanded by Oldelpaso (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Oldelpaso (talk) 22:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Can we do better than this? If any woman has run the mile in under 5 minutes, someone had to be the first, and the hook doesn't provide any more information. (t · c) buidhe 23:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Are you saying a world record isn't notable and/or hook worthy? Or are you asking for more context such as a link to Mile run world record progression? I was trying to keep the hook as succinct as possible. Oldelpaso (talk) 02:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Another issue is that the hook proposed is a "first" hook, which per WP:DYKHOOK usually needs exceptionally strong sourcing given the exceptional claim involved (how are we sure that no other woman before Leather ran a mile in under five minutes?) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The article includes cites describing her in those terms from the World Athletics website (the organisation that ratifies world records in the discipline, formerly known as the IAAF)[6], the BBC [7], Guardian [8], NYT [9], Washington Post [10] and others. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I could work in some reference to Roger Bannister in the hook, as his far more well-known first sub-four minute mile occurred the same month and thus they are frequently compared, but I'd rather not. It was how overlooked Leather's achievement was compared to the male equivalent that prompted me to expand the article in the first place! Oldelpaso (talk) 21:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Amaury du Closel

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    Du Closel in 2015
    Du Closel in 2015
    • ... that conductor and composer Amaury du Closel (pictured) founded the Forum Voix Etouffées to revive the music of composers whose voices were silenced by totalitarian regimes of the 20th century? Source: [11]
    Created by Jmanlucas (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2121 past nominations.

    Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. I didn't find any close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been fully completed. As the article was only featured on RD rather than as a blurb, it is still eligible for DYK. The image is properly licensed and is suitable at its resolution.
    The hook doesn't meet WP:DYKCITE at this time as the footnote supporting it comes later in the paragraph than it should. The hook is referenced to a French source so AGF, although a Google Translate translation seems to verify the information. Apart from the sourcing, my only real concern (since the hook is interesting) is the language in both the hook and the article might not meet the guidelines on words to avoid in articles, specifically WP:PEACOCK since they're arguably more flowery. Rather than using "silenced", or the lead section's current wording, perhaps it may be toned down a little more to suit the guidelines. The nomination will be approved once those wording and citing issues are addressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for reviewing. I duplicated the references to a sentence earlier. I tried to translate the name of the organization and his book: "Erstickte Stimmen", which was originally in German. I understand that "erstickt" means "suffocated" and believe that "silenced" is almost too harmless compared to that. Other options from my translator are "suppressed" and "stifled", the latter being a word I never heard before and therefore hesitate to use. If you say it is better, I'll believe you. Or what would you suggest? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The current hook is also really long, at 183 characters, so it might be a good idea to shorten it a bit. If that can be done while making the hook/article meet WTW, that might help. Perhaps Launchballer or CurryTime7-24 can propose such revisions to ALT0? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Knowing Gerda's strong feelings on DYK hooks, I'm not sure I can be of help here. However, I do agree that this hook is a mouthful and would benefit from a trim. Also, the phrase "whose voices were silenced" ought to be modified per WP:SUBJECTIVE, MOS:EUPHEMISM, and possibly MOS:CLICHE. It would be clearer to say "to revive the music of composers suppressed by totalitarian regimes". —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    CurryTime7-24, did you read (just above) that I tried to translate the name of the organization in a more elegant way than putting it in brackets? I believe that you could help with that. Voix Etouffées, Erstickte Stimmen, what is it best in English? It's their program. I would seriously like to find out even if we don't use it for the hook. - In an earlier hook, we said "music banned by the Nazis" which is of course shorter but too narrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It seems to be officially known by its French name, so I'd stick with that. Sometimes organizations are internationally known by their native name (e.g. Gesellschaft der Musikfreunde). For what it's worth, "etouffée" translates to "stifled", "smothered", or "muffled". —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am sorry that I was not precise: of course I didn't want to replace the French name of the organization, but translate it for those who don't know French. All three words are new to me, so I can't tell what would be best. Or give up the idea? Then what would you suggest? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Trying without "voices":
    ALT0a ... that conductor and composer Amaury du Closel (pictured) founded the Forum Voix Etouffées to revive music that was suppressed by totalitarian regimes of the 20th century?
    Trying simple translation:
    ALT0b ... that conductor and composer Amaury du Closel (pictured) founded the Forum Voix Etouffées (Stifled voices) to revive music suppressed by totalitarian regimes of the 20th century? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Didn't grasp what you were telling me at first; I'm sorry for my pedantic reply. :) Although these are not literal translations, I think "suppressed", "persecuted", or even "oppressed" better convey the intended spirit of "etouffée" in the context of the organization name. Both ALT0a and ALT0b seem great to me! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I like ALT0a. As long as the wordings in the article are also fixed we should be good to go with it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:25, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In the hook, we have no space. In the article, I replaced a duplicate "persecuted" in the lead by "suppressed", but in the prose used "voices stifled" (in quotation marks) to make the connection to the name. It appeared there only for the Nazi regime. If you have better ideas please try. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:25, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @CurryTime7-24: Are you okay with the way "voices stifled" is used in the article, or do you think it should be rephrased? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 9

    Musa al-Gharbi

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    • ... that Musa al-Gharbi has argued since the 2016 election of Donald Trump that media outlets including The New York Times opinion page and MSNBC have failed to understand his supporters?
    • Source: "For the past four years, Al-Gharbi tried to tell anyone who would listen that Trump supporters did not in fact fit the sociological profile offered on The New York Times opinion page or on MSNBC’s nightly pearl-clutching roundtables." Tablet
    Created by Thriley (talk) and Oganguly (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 148 past nominations.

    Thriley (talk) 07:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Church of the East in Sichuan

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    • ... that the ruins of the East Syriac church Pearl Temple are the subject of Du Fu's poem "The Stone Shoots: A Ballad"?
    • Source: Duan, Yuming (1993). "云南景教考" [A Study on East Syriac Christianity in Yunnan]. Journal of Yunnan Nationalities University (Social Sciences Edition). p. 59; Enoki, Kazuo (1947). "成都の石筍と大秦寺" [Bamboo-shoot-like Menhir in Chêng-tu and Nestorian Church]. Journal of the Research Department of the Toyo Bunko. pp. 108–109.
    • Reviewed:
    Created by Uriel1022 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Uriel1022 (talk) 13:54, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    MrBeast Lab

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    • ... that the MrBeast Lab toy line first debuted in a pop-up store in the shape of an overturned tanker truck carrying toxic waste?
    Created by Johnson524 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.

    Johnson524 17:08, 12 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Manga and anime fandom in Poland

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    Created by Piotrus (talk) and Oliwiasocz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 529 past nominations.

    Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites (song)

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    Improved to Good Article status by Skyshifter (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 16 past nominations.

    Skyshiftertalk 14:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @Skyshifter: Please provide a QPQ as the nomination is liable to be closed without further warning if one isn't provided during or immediately after the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5: I thought one could be provided in a week. In that case, I will provide it in a day maximum. Skyshiftertalk 03:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Skyshifter: The rules recently changed per a WT:DYK discussion as part of an anti-backlog campaign and to prevent QPQ-less nominations from languishing without a QPQ indefinitely. Now, a QPQ must be given when or shortly after the nomination is created, and a nomination without a QPQ may be closed without warning if none is provided immediately. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5: done! Skyshiftertalk 01:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I want to ask that if/when this hook is approved, it be set for October 31 to go with the Halloween set (Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Halloween set). Di (they-them) (talk) 03:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Di (they-them): I support this! Skyshiftertalk 01:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Huge preference for ALT2 - thanks @Di :) The hook is mentioned in the article and cited to RS (incl. the study itself). Sources are reliable enough for the topic area and the GAN level; spotchecked ref 1, 7, 11, 16, and 26, managing to see no problems. However, Ref 5 does not support the description of the song's key and tempo, though this isn't really a dealbreaker.

    This is good to go @Skyshifter, but I suggest finding another citation for the key/tempo. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise] 23:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC) Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise] 23:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @PSA: thanks! Key and tempo is in the Beatport source. Dazed is ref 6. Skyshiftertalk 00:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 10

    Florentina Holzinger

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    • ... that Florentina Holzinger's work includes nude all-female casts, live sex, self-mutilation, dildo use, defecation, coprophagia and live piercing, leading to severe nausea for some theatregoers?
    • Source: "Eighteen theatregoers at Stuttgart’s state opera required medical treatment for severe nausea over the weekend after watching a performance that included live piercing, unsimulated sexual intercourse and copious amounts of fake and real blood." The Guardian etc
    Created by Edwardx (talk) and Deborahjay (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 336 past nominations.

    Edwardx (talk) 19:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    ALT1: ... that over the opening weekend of Florentina Holzinger's first opera, eighteen audience members required medical treatment for severe nausea?--Launchballer 18:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Santa Maria Maggiore, Venice

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    Created by Bogger (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 27 past nominations.

    Bogger (talk) 08:13, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • The current hook is a bit hard to read and might need some trimming. How about:
    ALT1 ... that following its deconsecration, the Church of Santa Maria Maggiore in Venice and its grounds have been used as a stable, a tobacco warehouse, and a prison?
    Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The article also has a couple of stub tags (which it shouldn't have, since it's not a stub); both need to be removed before this is approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Last Call BBS

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    Created by CanonNi (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 08:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 11

    Salmon n' Bannock

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    • ... that Salmon n' Bannock's notoriety led to the owner reconnecting with her long-lost family?
    Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 44 past nominations.

    Ornithoptera (talk) 02:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. Full QPQ has been done, and no close paraphrasing was found apart from the cited quotes. All of the hooks are cited inline, but I only focused on the original hook as it is the most interesting option. It and ALT2 (the backup option) are verified in the source. My only concern is that ALT0 doesn't exactly match either the article or the source: the hook says "notoriety", but that wording is not supported and neither the article nor the article suggests that the restaurant is notorious. So ALT0 will need some rewording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:45, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you for your time in undergoing this review Narutolovehinata5. I hope you enjoyed reading the article. It is true that the source articles do not explicitly mention notoriety, which can hamper the hook a bit. If you have a suggestion on an alternative wording for ALT0, I would appreciate it. Urwin's article under "Soon after opening, the restaurant was met not only with accolades..." has the whole story. The restaurant was well known enough (thus the notoriety piece) to have individuals from the Nuxalk nation come by and reconnect her, but it is difficult for me to figure out an alternative way to phrase it. Ornithoptera (talk) 04:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ornithoptera: Maybe: ALT0a ... that the opening of Salmon n' Bannock led to the owner reconnecting with her long-lost family?, or even ALT0b ... that the public interest in Salmon n' Bannock after opening led to the owner reconnecting with her long-lost family? Given the introduction of new facts, a different editor would be needed to sign either off. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ALT0a should check out with me, the alternative wording in ALT0b is a tiny bit too convoluted in my eyes. Ornithoptera (talk) 04:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Anatolii Brezvin

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    Created by Flibirigit (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 156 past nominations.

    Flibirigit (talk) 21:52, 11 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Reviewing...:
    • New enough: yes.
    • Long enough: more than long enough (very nice!).
    • Adequate sourcing: given that most of the sources are in Ukrainian or Russian, I had to use translation tools to verify that the basic facts of the biography are well-sourced.
    • Neutral: yes.
    • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Not sure if closely translating is considered plagiarism or paraphrasing? I'm inclined to accept this as is.
    • Hooks cited: yes.
    • Hooks interesting: maybe? The original hook could be interesting enough. The two alts don't seem particularly interesting to me compared to the original. But I think the original could be improved by mentioning that the target 60 wasn't reached but I'm unsure if this can fit within the 200 character limit and/or whether this violates WP:DYKHOOKBLP. Basically I'm kinda okay with the original hook but would like to workshop this more. Maybe something like: ... that Anatolii Brezvin began an ambitious program to open 60 ice rinks in Ukraine within five years but only managed to complete 12 and refurbish two? (148 characters).
    • QPQ: Both done.
    Overall, the article is a very nice addition to Wikipedia, but maybe we could have a better hook? —seav (talk) 22:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Expanding ALT0 to include what resulted from the program is not going to entice anyone to click the link, since they already know that he failed. I feel that I identified the three most interesting aspects in the biography and proposed a hook for each. Possible more interesting hooks would be from odd juxtapositions. I will comment further tomorrow. Flibirigit (talk) 17:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Here are some other hooks based on odd juxtapositions. I have struck the hook from the reviewer as per my comments above. Flibirigit (talk) 23:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Aaj Ki Raat (2024 song)

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    Created by KunalAggarwal95 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

    KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 12

    Hasan Ali (activist)

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    Created by Juxlos (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 230 past nominations.

    Juxlos (talk) 08:08, 14 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination. I did not find any close paraphrasing. Sources are mostly in Indonesian so assuming good faith for them, although the PhD dissertation is in English and the stuff it verifies is verified. I will leave the choice in hook to the promoter. There are just two issues, one for each hook. For ALT0, I'm not actually sure if a PhD dissertation is a suitable source in this case, although it's not giving an exceptional claim perhaps it might be usable. For ALT1, the sentence saying that it was finished in 2002 (and thus the dictionary took 24 years to finish) lacks a footnote, so right now it doesn't meet WP:DYKCITE. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Juxlos: Almost there. I tried opening the Tempo link used to cite ALT1 but I got redirected to the website's front page. Is the article only available in Indonesia or is the link dead? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:03, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5: Weird, that worked when I made the nom. Seems like the website changed how its hyperlinks worked very recently. Added an archive.org link ([14]) from 2021.
    Thank you, that should work. Assuming good faith for the Tempo source, although a GT translation checks out. Hook choice will be left to the promoter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:09, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Ragnvi Torslow

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    • ... that Ragnvi Torslow, a five-time Swedish figure skating champion in 1920s went on to be one of the founders of the Bilkåren voluntary defence corps, training 3000 women to drive during World War II?
    • Reviewed:
    Created by MumphingSquirrel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    MumphingSquirrel (talk) 18:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 13

    Bethwel Henry

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    • ... that Bethwel Henry was the first Micronesian to receive a degree in his field and served as a United Nations delegate at age 25?
    • Source: degree, UN (the source says he was 26, but he was born in 1934 per [15] and his own words ([16]) and thus would have been 25)
    Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 262 past nominations.

    BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Article is well sourced, hook is somewhat interesting and QPQ is completed. Playing a bit loose with the timing, but I don't see that being an issue, so I approve. TheBritinator (talk) 15:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Elin Falk

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    Elin Falk
    Elin Falk
    • ... that Elin Falk revolutionised the teaching of gymnastics in Swedish schools in the early twentieth century?
    • Reviewed:
    Created by MumphingSquirrel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    MumphingSquirrel (talk) 21:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Gutidara

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    Created by FaysaLBinDaruL (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

    I have already completed 2 QPQs (1, 2). FaysaLBinDaruL (talk) 18:37, 16 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Chen Qiyou

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    • ... that Chen Qiyou, a would-be assassin, later became part of the Chinese Committee for World Peace?
    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 688 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Mały Brzostek

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    • ... that there's a town in Poland which has disappeared?
    Created by Filipny (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Filipny (talk) 20:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
    • Interesting: Yes
    • Other problems: No - AGF on the hook citations due to the fact that I don't speak Polish. ALT2 is ineligible due to the fact that it doesn't appear in the article (and also is somewhat contradicted by the map showing its location in the article). I'm not sure ALT1 is totally factual, is it really correct to say that a town that became a suburb of another was absorbed by it?
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Pass ALT0 only, other two hooks are ineligible for reasons described above. ALT0 probably also needs a minor reword, may I propose ALT0a: "... that a medieval town in Poland disappeared?". Although this isn't strictly a requirement, some copyediting to clean up awkward grammar/phrasing in the article before it appears on the front page would probably be nice. Thank you for this well researched article! 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 03:04, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Thokchom Chandrasekhar Singh

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    • Source: Who's who in the Manipur Legislative Assembly. Manipur Legislative Assembly Secretariat., 1964. p. 10
    Moved to mainspace by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 405 past nominations.

    Soman (talk) 15:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    1957 Manipur Territorial Council election

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    • Source: V. Venkata Rao. A Century of Government and Politics in North East India, 1874-1980: Manipur. S. Chand, 1991. pp. 92-93, 194
    Moved to mainspace by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 404 past nominations.

    Soman (talk) 15:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Socialist Party of India (1955)

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    Election symbol of the Socialist Party of India
    Election symbol of the Socialist Party of India
    • ... that in its 1962 election campaign the Socialist Party of India (election symbol pictured) demanded that twice yearly inter-caste dining be made a mandatory criteria for government employment?
    • Source: Sinha, L. P. THE LEFTWING PARTIES AND THE GENERAL ELECTIONS, 1962. The Indian Journal of Political Science, vol. 23, no. 1/4, 1962, pp. 361–70. JSTOR
    Moved to mainspace by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 403 past nominations.

    Soman (talk) 15:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Anastasia Somoza

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    Created by Innisfree987 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 40 past nominations.

    Innisfree987 (talk) 09:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Nazi crimes against children

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    Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 530 past nominations.

    Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 14

    Francis L. Sampson

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    Official portrait of Major General Sampson, 1967
    Official portrait of Major General Sampson, 1967
    Improved to Good Article status by Darth Stabro (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 15:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • No QPQ needed. Passed GAN. Sources are reliable and article is long enough. Image is properly licensed. I think the first hook is too misleading, as when I first read it I thought it implied that Sampson's story played a big role in the film, but the article barely mentions that he suggested something to someone who's story did play a big role. I think that ALT 1 is better, but it should change the link to [[D-Day landings]] rather than the present [[Normandy landings|D-Day landings]] to keep it under the 200 character limit. Source is verified. PizzaKing13 (¡Hablame!) 🍕👑 08:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 15

    Common fixed point problem

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    • Source: "The purpose of this paper is to answer Dyer's question in the negative by the construction of a pair of commuting functions which have no fixed point in common. [...] This paper is a condensation of the author's 1967 doctoral dissertation", from a paper by Boyce . "It has been conjectured that any two continuous functions f, g mapping the closed unit interval into itself which commute under composition [...] must have a common fixed point [...] Chapter 2 defines a pair of functions which show that the conjecture is false", from Huneke's 1967 PhD dissertation.
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: If the reviewer doesn't have ProQuest access, I can provide a copy of Huneke's dissertation over email.
    Created by WillisBlackburn (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    jlwoodwa (talk) 19:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Rincón Chileno

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    Rincón Chileno's delicatessen in 2024
    Rincón Chileno's delicatessen in 2024
    • ALT1: ... that Rincón Chileno was described by Jonathan Gold "as much community center as it is a restaurant"? Source: [19]
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Aniello Prisco
    • Comment: I ask the reviewer's indulgence to please give me until Saturday (PDT) to upload an improved photo of Rincón Chileno's exterior. This one image here is the only one I have handy; thought I had more, but it turned out not. OK, new image added.
    Created by CurryTime7-24 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 50 past nominations.

    CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:28, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Article is newly created, large enough, and sourced throughout. Hook fact is cited. I'm not fluent in Spanish but can translate "el segundo consulado de Chile en Los Angeles". ALT1 is also cited and supported by the reference, though I think it's less interesting. Earwig finds a copyvio to be unlikely. Image is appropriate and looks good at that size. QPQ review is provided. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:59, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Song Zhenzhong, Song Qiyun, Xu Linxia

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    Song Zhenzhong
    Song Zhenzhong
    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 3. Nominator has 694 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

    Image eligibility:

    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: New enough, long enough, didn't spot any text copyright issues. The hook is interesting, albeit sad. Nominator needs to complete the third and final review requirement. File:Song Zhenzhong.jpeg has issues. It doesn't appear in the sourced video—it links to a video about martial arts—and I can't verify its copyright status. ✗plicit 12:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Bliss (photograph)

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    Improved to Good Article status by Vacant0 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.

    Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Bliss is still copyrighted right? DYK doesn't allow fair-use pictures to be used on the Main Page unfortunately. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, it is copyrighted and owned by Microsoft. It would be cool to include the photograph but I'm unsure if DYK rules allow this. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    From WP:DYKIMG: The media must be freely licensed—fair-use images are not permitted on the Main Page. So the answer is no. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:44, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd rather prefer other proposed blurbs. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Yen and Ai-Lee

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    • ... that the director of Yen and Ai-Lee created the film to collaborate with his actress wife?
    Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 21 past nominations.

    Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    1. ^ Siebert, Brian. "From the Lindy Hop to Hip-Hop in One Improvising Body". New York Times. New York Times. Retrieved 2022-11-16.
    2. ^ Chou, Inna (4 October 2024). "《小雁與吳愛麗》入圍釜山影展、金馬8項大獎！劇情、上映日期、預告⋯電影資訊一覽". Vogue Taiwan (in Chinese). Retrieved 15 October 2024. 導演林書宇也進一步透露拍攝《小雁與吳愛麗》的靈感，就是來自於想要和妻子夏于喬一起拍一部電影 [Director Tom Lin Shu-yu further revealed that the inspiration for Yen and Ai-Lee came from his desire to make a film with his wife, Kimi Hsia.]
    3. ^ Liao, Yu-yang; Lai, Sunny (11 October 2024). "Taiwanese film wins top prize at Busan Int'l Film Festival". Focus Taiwan. Retrieved 15 October 2024. Taiwanese film "Yen and Ai-Lee" (小雁與吳愛麗) won the Busan International Film Festival's (BIFF) top prize "Kim Jiseok Award" on Friday, marking the first Taiwanese film to receive the award.
    4. ^ 許瑞麟 (1 October 2024). "林書宇專訪／《小雁與吳愛麗》寫過最沒把握的劇本 接受自己的「工整」：這是我的天性". Yahoo! News (in Chinese). Retrieved 14 October 2024. 「一開始在寫劇本的時候，我只是想要看到一個更生人的夏于喬，同時我也想要看到另外一個在上表演課的夏于喬，但這兩個角色是怎麼一回事，其實寫的時候我不知道。」沒想到寫著寫著，便將片中「兩個夏于喬」連結在一起，為觀眾增添了一點驚喜。 ["At the beginning of writing the script, I just wanted to see a rehabilitated Kimi Hsia, while also wanting to see another Hsia taking acting classes, but I did not know how these two characters would connect." Unexpectedly, as he continued writing, he merged the "two Kimi Hsias" into one, adding a surprise for the audience.]
    5. ^ Howell, June (3 October 2024). "夏于喬、林書宇首度合作《小雁與吳愛麗》成金馬獎贏家，亮眼成績背後藏深刻夫妻相處之道：「下班就不要談公事！」". Tatler Asia (in Chinese). Retrieved 14 October 2024. 選擇黑白的視覺呈現方式，並非一個單純的美學決定，而是一種深刻情感的凝聚與放大。林書宇指出，這部電影並不是史詩般的宏大敘事，而是細膩捕捉母女之間複雜的情感流動。他認為，黑白影像能夠去除色彩的干擾，使觀眾更專注於演員的表演。 [The choice of a black-and-white visual style is not merely an aesthetic decision but a way to condense and amplify deep emotions. Tom Lin Shu-yu pointed out that this film is not an epic narrative, but rather delicately captures the complex emotional flow between a mother and daughter. He believes that black-and-white imagery removes the distraction of color, allowing the audience to focus more on the actors' performances.]
    6. ^ Scott, Matthew (10 October 2024). "It's all there in black and white in 'Yen and Ai-Lee'". Taiwan News. Retrieved 14 October 2024. First, the film deals with domestic violence, and Lin chose to shoot in black and white.
    7. ^ "平衡直覺與現實，在限制中找到自由──專訪《小雁與吳愛麗》導演林書宇". Filmaholic (in Chinese). 10 October 2024. Retrieved 14 October 2024. 他親自開車到處尋找鄉鎮，一個個拍照、調成黑白看感覺，因景觀樣貌而非文化特性挑中了美濃。 [He (Tom Lin Shu-yu) personally drove around searching for towns, taking photos and adjusting them to black-and-white to gauge the feel, ultimately choosing Meinong based on its landscape rather than its cultural characteristics.]
    8. ^ "平衡直覺與現實，在限制中找到自由──專訪《小雁與吳愛麗》導演林書宇". Filmaholic (in Chinese). 10 October 2024. Retrieved 14 October 2024. 本片令人印象深刻的長鏡頭開場，便是情急之下生出的靈光──原本林書宇安排很多分鏡，小雁會騎腳踏車經過夜市，鏡頭先帶到眾人看她的反應，才轉而見到小雁本人。景都勘好了，卻無奈碰上無法控制的雨，如果將就在有雨的狀況下拍了一顆，下一顆鏡頭便要考慮連戲問題，但又沒預算發水車⋯⋯。為此，林書宇連夜苦思後決定：改用一顆長鏡頭搞定，並利用多 roll 的空景時間拿來放片頭 credit。 [The film’s iconic long take opening scene was born from a moment of urgency—originally, Tom Lin Shu-yu had planned many shots where Yen would ride her bicycle through the night market, first showing the reactions of those watching before revealing Yen herself. The locations were scouted, but unfortunately, they faced uncontrollable rain; if they filmed in the rain for one shot, they would have to consider continuity for the next shot, but there was no budget for a water truck... As a result, after a night of contemplation, Lin Shu-yu decided to use a single long take to accomplish this and utilized the extra roll of empty scenery to display the opening credits.]

    Ratnākara

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    • ... that Ratnākara may have invented the poetic device of vakrokti ("verbal distortion")?
    • ALT1: ... that Ratnākara's Vakroktipañcāśikā contains fifty verses of dialogue between Śiva and Pārvatī, employing the poetic device of vakrokti ("verbal distortion")?
    • ALT2: ... that a now-lost chronicle of the kings of Kashmir, covering two "gaps" in Kalhaṇa's Rājataraṅginī, is attributed to Ratnākara?
    • Reviewed:
    Created by TryKid (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    TryKid [dubious – discuss] 07:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    It might be better to just focus on ALT2 as ALT1 still seems to rely on specialist knowledge and not something that's self-evident from a reading. ALT2 is still slightly specialist but it's at least more understandable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    2018 Batman by-election

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    Improved to Good Article status by GraziePrego (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

    GraziePrego (talk) 03:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    TarnishedPathtalk 06:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Current nominations

    Articles created/expanded on October 16

    He Fucked the Girl Out of Me

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    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: Not sure if this is the best hook, so feel free to make suggestions
    Created by Vrxces (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Iostn (talk) 19:18, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: (t · c) buidhe 23:46, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Someone added the tag since I nominated this, despite it being in the lede and for material which is discussed further and cited in the same article. Iostn (talk) 22:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Buidhe: Are your concerns resolved, and is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 23:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks like the citation needed tag is no longer there, so sure (t · c) buidhe 03:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Frank A. Kimball

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    Portrait of Frank Augustus Kimball.
    Portrait of Frank Augustus Kimball.
    Moved to mainspace by RightCowLeftCoast (talk), SDPLPauline (talk), Dasee8y (talk), and Thinkstationx220 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 36 past nominations.

    RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 03:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Hi @RightCowLeftCoast:! This article is new enough, long enough, no copyvio, certainly well-sourced. I think the first hook is the most interesting. QPQ done.
    This is nice work, but I have some problems to address: I don't understand the phrase "build a transcontinental railroad Pacific terminus" on the page, could you clear it up? Do we know why Kimball wrote a family history of Estudillo? Was he a relation? Otherwise that sentence is a bit out of left field. The information in the lede about him donating land for cemeteries, schools, and churches is not in the body, could you incorporate it (and maybe elaborate on it)? The current DYK image is not sufficiently clear at this resolution (but this image, which is already used on the page, probably would be). Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 19:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Also, the first hook probably has the wrong citation. I can't see anything about thousands of acres. Maybe a citation to this would be more appropriate? Tenpop421 (talk) 19:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Lyncoya Jackson

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    • ... that the adoption of a Muscogee orphan Lyncoya by Andrew Jackson was framed by Jackson's political allies as a defense against charges that Jackson was a bloodthirsty Indian killer?
    5x expanded by Jengod (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 199 past nominations.

    KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Susanne Craig

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    • ... that Susanne Craig was born in the same hospital as Ted Cruz a year apart?
      • Reviewed:
    Improved to Good Article status by Lisha2037 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Lisha2037 (talk) 00:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: No - Hook doesn't appear to be supported by article. Cannot find mention of Cruz in edit history.
    • Interesting: No - Is there more context that can be given that signals why this is interesting, beyond coincidence? It looks like there might be at this article, but it's paywalled.
    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Updated - see ALT1 and ALT2 below. Great work getting this article to GA status! It looks like this hook isn't in the article - please take a look at WP:DYKHOOK. Even if it were, I'm not sure it's the most interesting hook there could be for this article unless there's missing detail from the source. Please take a look and see if this one can be improved, or if there's another you'd suggest. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 09:08, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Jonathan Deamer it’s my first time nominating for DYK so I’m still getting used to what that entails regarding style and interest. If you would be done to suggest something? I think since elections are coming up maybe something related to that and the Trump a tax story? Lisha2037— Preceding undated comment added 15:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How about something on the fact they she received the first batch of tax return documents anonymously in her mailbox? The NPR source has some additional colour on this.
    The early career section could be expanded with some of the details on her time at the Guantlet from this piece. Pullitzer prize winner only started journalism to get free dinner theatre tickets could be a fun hook if you can find the right wording :) Jonathan Deamer (talk) 12:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jonathan Deamer I think the tax idea is better for the current events. Did you know the journalist who won the Pulitzer for breaking the story on Trump’s taxes received them anonymously in her mailbox? Lisha2037— Preceding undated comment added 23:12, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Lisha2037 Thanks! I've taken the liberty of building on this with a couple of alternatives:

    • ALT1: ... that Susanne Craig won a Pulitzer Prize for her reporting on Donald Trump's taxes after receiving his tax records anonymously in her mailbox? NBC, 2016: ""I opened it up and there was three pages of Donald Trump's tax returns there and I just went 'No way!'" she said in an interview with NBC News on Monday. Craig said she was instantly intrigued but skeptical about the authenticity of the documents she’d received anonymously." Pulitzer.org: "The 2019 Pulitzer Prize Winner in Explanatory Reporting [...] David Barstow, Susanne Craig and Russ Buettner of The New York Times. For an exhaustive 18-month investigation of President Donald Trump’s finances that debunked his claims of self-made wealth and revealed a business empire riddled with tax dodges."
    • ALT2 (in case direct mentions of politicians is not desirable in DYK for the next few weeks): ... that Pulitzer Prize winner Susanne Craig advises her fellow reporters to check their snail mail? New York Times: "The whole experience has left me eager to share a bit of advice with my fellow reporters: Check your mailboxes. Especially nowadays, when people are worried that anything sent by email will leave forensic fingerprints, “snail mail” is a great way to communicate with us anonymously." Pulitzer.org: "The 2019 Pulitzer Prize Winner in Explanatory Reporting [...] David Barstow, Susanne Craig and Russ Buettner of The New York Times. For an exhaustive 18-month investigation of President Donald Trump’s finances that debunked his claims of self-made wealth and revealed a business empire riddled with tax dodges."

    I think either ALT1 or ALT2 is good to go, but to avoid approving "my own" hook, and given this is potentially a contentious subject right now, could another reviewer please take a look just at these two hooks? Thanks in advance! Jonathan Deamer (talk) 20:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @Jonathan Deamer / I like the first hook better. Let me know what I need to do next! :)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisha2037 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Lisha2037 No further action needed from you! When another editor checks these hooks we're good to go. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 16:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Lisha2037 and Jonathan Deamer: ALT1 is more interesting than ALT2, though could do with being truncated at 'taxes' per WP:DYKTRIM. Article says Craig won the prize, the article says she shared it with two others. Did they each get one?--Launchballer 18:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Launchballer The Pulitzer Prize is given digitally to all of them with all of them receiving the prize and the $15,000 award. :::::@Lisha2037:
    Fine by me. For your information, pings don't work unless you sign, and you sign with ~~~~. The cited source is down and I'd prefer to see a secondary source anyway; when you've done that, I will approve this.--Launchballer 11:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Launchballer- did you mean a source citing the monetary award given? It’s here [1] Lisha2037 (talk) 20:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)@lisha2037[reply]
    No, what I meant is that the source currently being used to cite the hook - currently ref #25 - is broken. It is not displaying what it is supposed to display. I suggest swapping it out with a secondary source such as Vogue.--Launchballer 20:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Liliget Feast House

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    Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 45 past nominations.

    Ornithoptera (talk) 22:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 17

    Fishing cat

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    • ... that in Bangladesh, fishing cats are often confused for tiger cubs and are killed whenever they come into contact with humans?
    • ALT3: ...that the fishing cat diverged from its sister species at least 20,000 years ago?
    • Reviewed:
    Improved to Good Article status by Wolverine XI (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Wolverine XI (talk to me) 09:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • @Wolverine XI and BhagyaMani: A common ancestor of just the fishing cat or of the Fishing cat and the hybridized Leopard cat, or of the fishing and both leopard cat species? Also, the conflicting divergence estimates shouldn't be an "and" connector, they should be an "or", as they are in conflict with each other.--Kevmin § 21:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The fisher is not part of this scenario AT ALL, but is not even a cat. The fishing cat and the leopard cat are members of the same genus, hence had a common ancestor. Estimation of genetic divergence time from this last common ancestor was performed by two different author teams and derived from two different sets of genetic material + analysis. The 1st estimate for this divergence time of 4.31–1.74 million years ago (mya) was based on mitochondrial gene segments, and the 2nd of 4.25–0.02 mya on SNP genotyping. – BhagyaMani (talk) 01:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The snark is NOT appropriate, we're both aware the taxa in question here. Are you saying that the estimates are for the full genus then its also including the flat face cat and I get that two divergence dates are present, but it doesn't change that the wording "between 4.31 to 1.74 million years ago and 4.25 to 0.02 million years ago" is fallacious. The two dating results are mildly contradictory so saying "and" between them is not correct unless we are explicit about the genes involved, which the article does not do at this point. The clarification of mitochondrial and SNP genotyping is needed. I also feel that alt1 will run afowl of being to specialized for a broad audience as its currently worded.
    There are also close paraphrase issues in the distribution and Behavior sections that should be dealt with. Full sections of sentences are pulled directly from the source material with no attempt at reqording.--Kevmin § 16:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kevmin: @Wolverine XI: What would you both think about this hook:ALT3 "... that the fishing cat is threatened by the destruction of wetlands in Southeast Asia?"
    .. in Southeast Asiais erroneous, because destruction -- and conversion -- of wetlands is a threat EVERYWHERE in fishing cat range. – BhagyaMani (talk) 17:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And how about amending ALT1 to ALT4 "... that the fishing cat diverged from the genus Prionailurus at least 20,000 years ago?" ? – BhagyaMani (talk) 14:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The close paraphrasing is dealt with, and ALT3 ALT4 hooks are sourced and more hooky for general audiences. GA is new enough and article is very well cited to neutral sourcing. For hook Alt4 @BhagyaMani: we could go with "... that the fishing cat diverged from its sister species at least 20,000 years ago?"--Kevmin § 16:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I think using Prionailurus is more appropriate, as the words 'sister species' are not in the text. And I once learned that words in DYK phrasing needs to be in text. I also suggest to discard ALT1 with the details and source, the more so as this source is not the same as referenced in text. – BhagyaMani (talk) 17:42, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thats an easy fix, add the words "sister species" into the molecular dating section of the article, the term is uncontroversial. I agree that ALT1 should be discarded.--Kevmin §
    Since Wolverine XI proposed ALT1, shouldn't we wait with discarding this for them to comment and agree ? Though I proposed this to them initially, before I added ALT2. – BhagyaMani (talk) 19:42, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I didn't receive those pings, because I had changed my username (quite surprised you guys didn't notice). Rest assured, nevertheless, that I should continue using this username throughout my tenure. So I've been keeping an eye on this DYK but recently I've been dealing with the worst kind of stress you can ever imagine, so I advise you all to choose something appropriate for this DYK without my involvement. I need some much needed time to heal 😞. Wolverine X-eye (talk to me) 04:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kevmin and BhagyaMani: Better? Green flag, yellow flag or red flag? Just let me know. Wolverine X-eye (talk to me) 20:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Alt2 approved, with AGF on paywalled sourcing. no article or policy issues identified now and article appears stable. ook cited and sourced to references 11 and 44 respectively for first and second sections. Looks good to go.--Kevmin § 01:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kevmin: Not trying to bikeshed here, but wasn't the Alt2 part about "strongly associated with wetlands" found to be a component of the original concern over copyvio? The phrase "Fishing cats are strongly associated with wetlands" is present verbatim in the IUCN report. I was also thinking that "and preys foremost on fish" reads a little weird and might be replaced with something like "and has a diet which is about 75% fish" (substantiated by paragraph 2 of 'Behaviour and ecology') or "preys mostly on fish". Your guys' call since this has already been approved. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 06:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Rich Romer

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    5x expanded by WikiOriginal-9 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Verified that the article is long enough, that there are no plagiarism concerns through the Copyvios tool and spotchecking, and that the hook is sourced in the article. Cunard (talk) 07:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • Great work on the article! Both hooks are interesting and verified as being sourced in the article. ALT0 relies on this source to say he worked as an engineer. According to the About Us page for the East Greenbush Education Foundation, "The East Greenbush Education Foundation, Inc. is an audited 501(c)(3) non-profit organization whose sole purpose is to raise funds to support student achievement. Founded in 1985 and located in East Greenbush, NY, the Foundation is governed by a volunteer Board of Directors." I think this is a marginally reliable source. If there are concerns that this source is insufficiently reliable, I recommend using ALT1 instead. Cunard (talk) 07:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Port Mercer, New Jersey

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    5x expanded by Lbal (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Lbal (talk) 22:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Anne Marie Armstrong

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    • ALT2: ... that in high school, professional basketball player Anne Marie Armstrong won three state titles in volleyball, three state titles in basketball, and four state titles in track and field?
    • Reviewed:
    Created by WikiOriginal-9 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    QPQ: None required.

    Overall: Nice work on the article about Armstrong, WikiOriginal-9! It is sufficiently long enough and was created on the same day as this nomination was, so that is not an issue. Same goes for copyright violations as well. The one concern I have is that I don't find the hook interesting – if I were to read this on the Main Page at the moment, I'd think to myself, "who is Armstrong and in which area or sport did she win 10 state titles in?". Thus, I think it needs a little more work in terms of context and clarity as noted above. The source for it is fine, though. Thanks! ~ Tails Wx 20:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @WikiOriginal-9: Please address the above.--Launchballer 12:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Added ALT2. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 18

    White Party (Sean Combs)

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    Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 122 past nominations.

    No Swan So Fine (talk) 21:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Griffin–Spalding County Airport

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    • Source: Despite the relatively short length of its then 3,100-long runway, Griffin's airport hosted various large piston aircraft including the Douglas DC-3 and the Aviation Traders Carvair, a cargo conversion of the DC-4 from the 1970s until the 1990s.
    Created by Mccunicano (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 49 past nominations.

    ❯❯❯ Mccunicano☕️ 18:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Rada Dyson-Hudson

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    Moved to mainspace by Miraclepine (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 60 past nominations.

    ミラP@Miraclepine 21:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Kenneth Creer

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    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: Interesting fact snippet on a page I just made.
    Created by Helge Kragh (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Spiralwidget (talk) 12:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    References

    1. ^ "Pulitzer FAQs".
    2. ^ Kragh, Helge (29 November 2019). "Varying Constants of Nature: Fragments of a History". Physics in Perspective. 21: 257–273.

    Checheyigen

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    • Source: Broadbridge 2018, pp. 240–241
    5x expanded by AirshipJungleman29 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.

    ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Luo Shiwen

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    Luo Shiwen
    Luo Shiwen
    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 691 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:06, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    • Adequate sourcing: No - Much of the article is cited to sources like "Devoting One's Efforts to the Party and the People is the Least of One's Worries——Deeds of Martyr Luo Shiwen", which doesn't speak well to their reliability. There is no consensus that Chinese government published sources are reliable for heroic deeds of party members (see, eg, WP:XINHUA).
    • Neutral: No - Unclear, see above
    • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: No - ? Unable to evaluate translation copyvio from Chinese language sources

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes
    • Interesting: No - Hook could use improvement. Such underground groups developed in so many locations that political prisoners are jailed together

    Image eligibility:

    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: (t · c) buidhe 04:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • Hi Buidhe. Thank you for taking a look at this article, though I note that you are supposed to notify the article's creator if you find issues.
    Referring to WP:XINHUA, which you mentioned in your review, the quorum mentioned there reads "Caution should be exercised in using this source, extremely so in case of extraordinary claims on controversial subjects or biographies of living people. When in doubt, try to find better sources instead; use inline attribution if you must use Xinhua." Little mentioned in the Luo Xinhua article crosses the bar of "extraordinary claims", and what does cross that bar is specifically attributed to the source (with an indication that it is state-owned). He lived, he did something, he was detained, he was executed. Where these government sources have been used, I have been careful not to use their description of persons whom the CCP has no reason to like (for example, the conflict with Zhang Guotao is cited to Howard rather than the decidedly less neutral CCP sources, and discussion of Xifeng is cited predominantly to a Harvard University Press book). Likewise, I have deliberately excluded politically charged claims such as Luo's father being bankrupted by the high ROC taxes.
    As per WP:PARTISAN, "reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective." WP:CONTEXTMATTERS clarifies that "Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made in the Wikipedia article and is an appropriate source for that content." In this case, the sources are used specifically for basic statements of biography. Where statements were extraordinary, such as Mao and Zhou specifically asking for Luo's release, it has been attributed to the source with an indication of the source's potential bias.
    As for the hook, I am deliberately avoiding claims that are sourced exclusively to state-media. How do you feel about:
    ALT1 ... that Luo Shiwen (pictured) led a secret cell of the Chinese Communist Party that negotiated better conditions for inmates at their concentration camp?
    That ALT is supported entirely by Mühlhahn. Regards,  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Xinhua is, according to consensus, generally reliable for factual reporting except in areas where the government of China may have a reason to use it for propaganda, but this topic is exactly one where the Chinese government would have an interest in distorting its own history in order to make the CCP look better. Perhaps other reviewers would have a different opinion, but I don't think that Chinese government published sources should be cited so heavily. (In case you are looking for additional sources, this one is accessible via TWL and seems to mention the article subject). (t · c) buidhe 00:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think I have Wakeman sitting around somewhere. I'll cite that for a few points, and I can cite some more to the pithy provided by Howard. That being said, a blanket prohibition against mainland Chinese sources (we've been talking about Xinhua, but Sichuan Annals are cited more prevalently, and both the original books and the web edition have the same government ties) for a figure of little interest to KMT historians does seem counter-productive. It may be best to have a third opinion. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Lizzie Esau

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    Created by Launchballer (talk) and Georgeykiwi (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 254 past nominations.

    Launchballer 09:03, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    The rent strike in Independence, Missouri
    The rent strike in Independence, Missouri

    2024 Kansas City metropolitan area rent strike

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    Moved to mainspace by LunaEclipse (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

    💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ 【=◈︿◈=】 00:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Article is new and long enough. Article is well-sourced, neutral, and only pings on Earwigs for some long proper titles. Hook is cited, short enough, and interesting. QPQ has been completed. Image is freely licensed, clear at a diminished size, and used in the article. Morgan695 (talk) 15:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 19

    Lockheed Martin FB-22

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    • ... that a bomber version of the F-22 Raptor called the FB-22 was once considered by the U.S. Air Force in the mid-2000s?
    • Reviewed:
    Improved to Good Article status by Steve7c8 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Steve7c8 (talk) 02:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    StoneToss

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    • Reviewed:
    Improved to Good Article status by TarnishedPath (talk) and Alalch E. (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    TarnishedPathtalk 23:26, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: I remember when this happened. I saw everything in real time; it was simulaneously sad and hilarious (I don't use Twitter that much anymore, I'm more active on Bluesky). Anyways, this is GTG, nice job! 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ 【=◈︿◈=】 14:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Izvestiya Soveta rabochikh i soldatskikh deputatov goroda Askhabada

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    • Source: А. А Росляков. Большевики Туркменистана в борьбе за власть Советов. Туркменское государственное изд-во, 1961. p. 328
    Created by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 406 past nominations.

    Soman (talk) 17:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Film Essay on the Euphrates Dam

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    Created by Zanahary (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

    ꧁Zanahary꧂ 07:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • I'm not sure how this hook squares up against the rules to avoid hooks solely based on the content of works, but regardless of that, I am not sure how it's interesting or relevant that, basically, the filmmaker changed his mind about something... (t · c) buidhe 23:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • That rule is: If the subject of the hook is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must be focused on a real-world fact. This is a real-world fact about a nonfiction work. As for the fact, I think it's definitely unusual and remarkable for a filmmaker to make a film criticizing his own work. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 08:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    • Adequate sourcing: Yes
    • Neutral: Yes
    • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: No - Earwig says that phrases like "advent of the dam" and "through the lens of salvage ethnography" and "with an eighteenth-century BCE limestone statue of the goddess Ishtar excavated from the" are identical to what's in the abstract of ref 2, so they could be changed to avoid close paraphrasing unless it can't be avoided. "Naive early enthusiasm" is similar to "earlier naive enthusiasm" in ref 4, so "Naive early" or just "early" could be changed to "initial" if possible. Otherwise the whole thing's good.
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
    • Interesting: Yes
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Nominated on creation day and sized at 2360 B. Can't access refs 2 and 3 to verify anything so will AGF. @Zanahary: I have to agree with you this hook is interesting based on your explanation, but fix the paraphrasing issue and you're good to go. Film Essay on the Euphrates Dam, which is linked in the hook, is a stub sized at 233 B, so if you want to expand it and make it a second bold, feel free to do so and ping me if you're done; I can even hold the nom for you for the time being. ミラP@Miraclepine 19:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks for the review Miraclepine! I’ll fix the paraphrasing. I can also try to expand A Flood in Ba’ath Country. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zanahary: I've found the fix satisfactory. I'll approve Film Essay on the Euphrates Dam, but ping me once A Flood in Baath Country is sufficiently expanded. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Miraclepine: I've done it! ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zanahary: Thank you. I'm busy with school right now and with other things, but I'll review this tonight or tomorrow. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zanahary: Since your hook now has two bolded articles, please do a second QPQ. ミラP@Miraclepine 16:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Miraclepine: Done! here. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zanahary: Thank you, I'll start reviewing the article now. And for the record: I'm putting it to where the first QPQ is listed for convenience. ミラP@Miraclepine 17:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    • Adequate sourcing: No - See below.
    • Neutral: No - Ref 21 says that the report of the cancellation (but not what the report led to) was a rumor; fix Jeune Afrique sentence to say that, and also to for due weight to note that the JCC organizers affirmed their anti-censorship guarantee at the time. I think the "strongly" in "strongly criticizes" is MOS:EDITORIALizing? Otherwise it's all good.
    • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: No - See below.
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: @Zanahary: Yeah, this article has serious problems with close paraphrasing which need to be fixed, as well as some issues with WP:V.

    Regarding WP:V issues:

    • About the infobox: need a source for the producers, cinematography, editor, distributor, running-time, country, and languages.
    • Ref 1 said "some film pirates" but not "two", fix that. Ref 9 says "mistake" but ref 10 says "distress", fix this to clarify what word to use. Ref 9 says it was named after his family but not him himself. Fix "nephew of a local Ba'ath Party leader" -> "nephew of said village's chief" since the ref says the local Baath Party leader is the nephew, not the chief. Refs 32 and 33 don't say he was going to Beirut (but rather Jordan), that it was an airport he was detained at, or (directly) that the Al Arabiya broadcast was in Syria, just that it was to Syrian viewers, so change "aired in Syria" -> "was also seen by Syrian viewers"
    • Ref 12 only says he was a tribal chief but not what tribe and is redundant anyway because ref 14 says he was a leader of the tribe and what tribe it was; relocate ref 12 from that sentence to fix the confusion. Ref 19 is literally redundant to 24. The "won the award for best short film" needs only ref 20. Ref 27 is redundant to 25/26 (and I don't speak Arabic anyway, so I'll AGF since video is not something I can easily translate unlike text)
    • I also need clarity on what the working title is: NYT and Reason say Fifteen Reasons Why I Hate the Baath (both caps), but Fifteen Reasons Why I Hate the Baath Party is used by The Douglas Hyde (uncaps) Masress (uncaps) Eclipse of the Sunnis by Deborah Amos (caps) (worst case scenario we use a footnote).

    Now, this is the full list of CLOP issues:

    • "one of the leaders of Busha’ban tribe admits in the documentary: A Flood in Baath Country directed by Omar Amiralay in 2003 that he sent his tribesmen to Aleppo in the 1970s to help President Hafez al-Assad fight against the Muslim Brotherhood" = "Shaykh Diab al-Mashi, a former leader of the Busha'ban tribe, admits that he'd sent his tribesmen to Damascus in the 1970s to assist in President Hafez al-Assad's fight against the Muslim Brotherhood"
    • "As a reward, al-Mashi was granted a permanent seat in the Syrian Parliament. His tribe's villages were also provided with electricity, and many of the men were exempted from compulsory military service" = same as ref 16 "Το reward them for their loyalty, Sheikh Dayyab al-Mashi was granted a permanent seat in Syria's Parliament. Additionally, the villages of his tribe were provided with electricity and many of his tribesmen were exempted from military service (Dukhan, 2019)." I can't access 15 and it's redundant anyway. Also I think it's way too tangential to note in the article.
    • Sort the list of filmmakers protesting the festival's decision in alphabetical order to prevent close paraphrasing.
    • Change "A Flood in Baath Country was pulled from the lineup of the 2004 Carthage Film Festival in Tunisia" to "the 2004 Carthage Film Festival in Tunisia cancelled a screening of the film". "allegation that the film had been pulled to begin with" should be changed to "news that the screening was cancelled" to carry over paraphrase cleanup. "reported" should be added between "Following" and "political pressure" since the ref says it's apparent. Also, there's a conflict between the Jeune Afrique ref which says the news on the cancellation was a "real-fake "scandal" with a persistent rumor ... [that] turned out to be unfounded" and the Variety/Bidoun refs that together say that the screening was cancelled but put back on the program on the last day; need to sort this out per NPOV.
    • "asked the network to include a dedication to a friend" = "asked the network to include in their broadcast a dedication to his friend", so change to "later requested that said network also air a dedication to his friend" (and also since it seems ambiguous if the dedication was directly part of the broadcast)
    • "a Lebanese journalist and critic of the Syrian regime who was killed on June 2 by a bomb hidden in his car" = "a Lebanese journalist who'd been critical of the Ba'athist regime before being killed in 2005 by a bomb hidden in his car" -> "a Lebanese journalist who had been critical of the Ba'athist regime before his assassination in 2005"
    • "Since Bashar al-Assad had permitted satellite television, this meant the movie would be shown in Syria after all" = "and since Bashar al-Assad had recently permitted satellite broadcasts in Syria, the film would be viewable there after all", so -> "allowing the film to be viewable in Syria since satellite television was legalized by Bashar al-Assad's government"
    • "introduced by writer Farouk Mardam Bey and followed by a debate" is lifted straight from the source after being translated into English. Change it to "featuring a debate and an introduction from writer Farouk Mardam Bey" and move it a little earlier between "Baath Country" and "was held in"

    As for overquotes: The "I wanted ... of my life" can stay, but the "thing that ... eleven thousand years before Christ" should be rewritten. I don't think we need that Ba'athist textbook quote in full, just a sentence describing what it says.

    Oh, and this was expanded from 233 B to 9718 B within a few days of being bolded. ミラP@Miraclepine 05:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 20

    Mwene Muji

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    • ... that Mwene Muji was a polity in the Congo Basin which declined in the late 19th century, and when the Belgians collected traditions in 1926, grand claims of its once imperial status were dismissed?
    • ALT1 ... that Mwene Muji was a polity in the Congo Basin, and when the Belgians collected traditions in 1926, grand claims of its once imperial status were dismissed?
    • ALT2 ... that the grand claims from the ruler of Mwene Muji of them once having imperial status were dismissed by Belgian colonial authorities?
    • Reviewed:
    Created by Kowal2701 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Kowal2701 (talk) 19:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @Kowal2701: I've also checked the article and right now it's less than 1500 characters long. DYK requires a minimum of 1500 characters of prose to be accepted. If you can expand the article further so that it meets the guidelines then less us know, but if that is not feasible then unfortunately the nomination will have to be rejected. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @User:Narutolovehinata5 the hook is 197 words long, and it gives context the fact which is that their grand claims were dismissed. I wouldn't say it summarises the article, just the last few sentences. I can expand it further, I think at the moment it's at 1200 words. Are you sure the hook isn't okay?

    Yes, the hook is far too long for DYK, even if it is slightly under the character limit. Perhaps another editor like Launchballer can give some advice on what makes a good hook, especially one that isn't too long. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @User:Narutolovehinata5 but surely if it's under the character limit then the length is okay?
    I’ve added alts, I think I know what you were getting at, that the initial hook had too much information in it and wouldn’t entice the reader to click on the article. I think ALT2 is okay? Kowal2701 (talk) 13:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, ALT2 would work. Since the original issues about length and hooks are now addressed this is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Harvey Tuckett

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    • ... that cavalry officer Harvey Tuckett retired from the British Army to become an actor, but was shot in a duel by his former commanding officer?
    • Source: Siddons, J. H. "Thespic Reminiscences". Demorest's Illustrated Monthly. Vol. 15, no. 1. p. 143. [24]
    Created by AntientNestor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

    AntientNestor (talk) 14:19, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: The source used is quite difficult to read but appears to put together the events of Tuckett's life at this point as described. Just need to address the access dates issue (corrected): There are access dates in the article that predate the publishing of the article on Oct 20, was this copied from a sandbox, draft or external document? Reconrabbit 21:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Głos Kolejarzy Ewakuowanych — Golos Evakuirovannykh Zheleznodorozhnikov

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    • Source: Ludwik Bazylow, Jan Sobczak. Encyklopedia Rewolucji Październikowej. Wiedza Powszechna, 1987. p. 118
    Created by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 408 past nominations.

    Soman (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Victoria Espinosa

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    Victoria Espinosa
    Victoria Espinosa
    Created by Lajmmoore (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 109 past nominations.

    Lajmmoore (talk) 11:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough

    Policy compliance:

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes
    • Interesting: Yes
    • Other problems: No - I think ALT0 could be rewritten, as currently the focus isn't on the subject. Something like "... that Victoria Espinosa (pictured) directed the first performance of The Public, almost 50 years after it was written?" would be better.
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Happy to pass this after the prose issues in the lead are fixed and ALT0 is rewritten to focus on the subject. Ping me when these are addressed. Grnrchst (talk) 11:18, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    • Thanks very much Grnrchst, I've fixed the lead, and another ALT is below:
    ALT3 ... that Victoria Espinosa (pictured) directed the first performance of The Public by Lorca, almost 50 years after it was written? Source: "One of her career highlights was directing the 1978 world premiere of the play “El público” (“The Audience”) by Federico García Lorca, a work that could not be released when it was written around 1930 because it frankly addressed homosexual issues." https://globalvoices.org/2019/07/12/victoria-espinosa-farewell-to-a-tireless-activist-for-puerto-rican-theater/
    Many thanks Lajmmoore (talk) 10:44, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I can't be certain, but I doubt that User:Eorti made the image as claimed. It might be a copyright violation. Bremps... 23:27, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Dog

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    Various types of dogs.
    Various types of dogs.
    Improved to Good Article status by Wolverine XI (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Wolverine XI (talk to me) 09:14, 20 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    All the better for views if you ask me, but technically that hook would be about dog meat and thus it would fail WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE, so with regret I've struck it. ALT0 is available for review; might have a rummage for hooks myself. (Also, that image of 'a female dog nursing' is adorable.)--Launchballer 19:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    I'm doing a tick to make clear that this comment is not an objection, but just excerpts from the two sources verifying the hook fact. The earlier article says, "The researchers determined that dogs were probably domesticated from now-extinct wolves between 11,000 and 16,000 years ago — before humans began farming around 10,000 years ago."[25] and the more recent article pushes this timeline back further,[26] "Dogs were the first domesticated species and the only animal known to enter into a domestic relationship with people during the Pleistocene [...] dogs were domesticated in Siberia by 23,000 years ago, possibly while both people and wolves were isolated during the harsh climate of the Last Glacial Maximum. Dogs then accompanied the first people into the Americas and traveled with them as humans rapidly dispersed into the continent beginning 15,000 years ago [...] The earliest generally accepted dog dates to 15 ka (from the site of Bonn-Oberkassel, discussed below). However, claims for the existence of domestic dogs as early as 40 ka (22–28) have been made on the basis of morphological (22, 24–27), isotopic (22, 29), genetic (22, 28, 30), and contextual assessments (24, 31) of ancient canid remains. Yet, none of these potential domestication markers is fail-safe, owing to the fact that wolves and early domesticated dogs can be difficult to distinguish from each other." Rjjiii (talk) 00:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles created/expanded on October 21

    The Gust of Wind (Renoir)

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    Created by Viriditas (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 27 past nominations.

    Viriditas (talk) 01:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Approve, a well-done and well-sourced page. My only concern is that the image is too small and should be enlarged in order to highlight both the page topic and a good example of Renoir's unique style. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Georgina Sutton

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    • ... that Georgina Sutton was the first woman to be appointed as chief pilot of an Australian airline?
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: 2024 Talerddig train collision
    Created by MaxnaCarta (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

    — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Just waiting on the QPQ for final approval @MaxnaCarta: this is a straightforward hook, that checks out. The article is new enough and long enough, it is well sourced (reliable and accessible) and there are no copy-vio issues. The hook is referenced in the lede and the body of the page, and is the obvious story-line to use. Chaiten1 (talk) 07:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MaxnaCarta: Please provide a QPQ as soon as possible: DYK rules now require a QPQ at the time of the nomination, and a nomination can be rejected without further warning if a QPQ is not provided. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:32, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Narutolovehinata5:, my fault, sorry for the delay. Done now. Thank you. Ditto @Chaiten1:. — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Lova Rajaona

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    • ... that, after living in Norway for almost twenty years, Lova Rajaona returned to her hometown of Antanifotsy in Madagascar to run for mayor?
    Created by Yue (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 23 past nominations.

    Yue🌙 19:08, 21 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Xu Xinfu

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    • ... that Xu Xinfu adapted the fictional Chinese-American detective Charlie Chan for Chinese audiences?
    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 696 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: The article is interesting and well-sourced, but I highly recommend the promoter change the hook to "... that Xu Xinfu adapted the fictional Chinese-American detective Charlie Chan for Chinese audiences?" I think most readers will be unfamiliar with the character, as I myself was until I read both articles. Yue🌙 04:07, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 22

    2024 Talerddig train collision

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    Created by Mjroots (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

    JuniperChill (talk) 20:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes
    • Interesting: Yes
    • Other problems: Yes
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: The merge issue will need to be resolved before this can be approved — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @MaxnaCarta: that merge template is about history merging, not the one you would expect. JuniperChill (talk) 12:16, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @JuniperChill: ah, I see. Is that template not a barrier to passing? I wouldn’t have thought it’s okay for an article to appear on the main page while it has some sort of call to action template. Also, is your username referencing the Juniper Inn from Hotel Hell? — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MaxnaCarta: The reason why a history merge is being presented is because this page was (possibly) cut and pasted from Draft:Talerddig rail accident. And that will be accepted/declined well before it hits the main page anyway. And with regards where my username came from, I got it from my favourite plant. I also wanted to add a little chill to my username. I never watched Hotel Hell or even heard of it, but heard Gordon Ramsay. JuniperChill (talk) 16:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @JuniperChill: Consider the antepenultimate version of the draft, i.e. that before it was blanked and redirected, and also consider the version of the article as it stood at the same moment. There are significant differences; it is clear to me that there was no cut-and-paste. They were started independently, both in mainspace, although the one that is presently in draftspace was moved there by Discospinster (talk · contribs). I don't think that a histmerge would be useful. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Redrose64 is correct. There was no cut and paste involved, therefore there is no need for a history merge. I've removed the template. Mjroots (talk) 09:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's good to hear. Now we'll have to wait for the original reviewer to approve this. I would also note (as seen from my comment at the top) that I also created my own version of this crash, but since I realised one was already made, I redirected that. That's why I normally do DYKs on articles I created and don't really do drive-by nominations (in fact, most DYKs are self-noms). JuniperChill (talk) 11:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We are all good to go, merge issue resolved — MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    @MaxnaCarta: You're using the wrong checkmark for DYK. Its supposed to be {{subst:DYKtick}} JuniperChill (talk) 22:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Gilbert Wilson (geologist)

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    • ... that geologist Gilbert Wilson declared his favourite expression was “I’m in love” in his McGill yearbook in 1924?
    • ALT1: ... that when geologist Gilbert Wilson went to school he was the fifth Wilson, so was known as "Quintus"? Source: Source – offline obituary '[he] went to school in Windermere where as one of five attending Wilsons he was known as Quintus' - source (ref 1) JGR and JC (1986). "Dr G Wilson (1899–1986)". Annual Report, Geological Society of London: 34–35
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Georgina Sutton
    Created by Chaiten1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.

    Chaiten1 (talk) 20:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Thank you - fixed! Chaiten1 (talk) 17:54, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    General eligibility:

    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

    Hook eligibility:

    • Cited: Yes
    • Interesting: Yes
    • Other problems: Yes
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Thanks for the adjustment. The article was created on 22 October 2024. It has a readable prose size of 6461 characters. Every paragraph is sourced. WP:EARWIG shows no copyvios. QPQ was done. The language of the article is neutral.

    I'm not sure that the article should include the sentence with the quotes from the McGill yearbook since this sounds to me like trivia. Do comparable articles do that or do secondary sources discuss them? If the sentence is removed then we could not use the ALT0, which would leave us with ALT1. ALT1 is cited and interesting. I would make a slight grammatical adjustment:

    ALT1a: ... that when geologist Gilbert Wilson went to school he was the fifth Wilson, so he was known as "Quintus"?

    I think it would be better to move the section "Family" before the section "Awards and recognition" but this is optional. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Thank you; good point about trivia, I will edit this and am very happy with ALT1a Chaiten1 (talk) 17:55, 27 October 2024 (UTC) All fixed now! Phlsph7 Chaiten1 (talk) 18:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Looks good, approve ALT1a. Phlsph7 (talk) 08:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Bern Shanks

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    Created by Chetsford (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 152 past nominations.

    Chetsford (talk) 22:53, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Aaron Kennedy

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    Created by B3251 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 20 past nominations.

    B3251(talk) 21:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    @Narutolovehinata5: Done. B3251(talk) 03:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Helliwells Ltd

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    1939 advertisement
    1939 advertisement
    • ... that British aerospace engineering firm Helliwells Ltd (advertisement pictured) began as a maker of fireplace accessories?
    • ALT1: ... that Helliwells Ltd (advertisement pictured) produced a motor scooter that was used by British police? Source: "Swallow 'Gadabout' motor scooter, 1948. The Swallow Coachbuilding Co. Ltd was bought in 1945 by the Helliwell Group, an aircraft servicing and repair company. They started to produce the Gadabout in 1946 ... was confirmed successful when adopted by public bodies including the Staffordshire Constabulary." from "Gadabout Motor Scooter". Science Museum Group Collection. Retrieved 10 October 2024.
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/James Smart (police officer)
    Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 892 past nominations.

    Dumelow (talk) 20:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    • Article moved to mainspace on same date as nomination. No issues with article writing, earwig & citations, and it is long enough. AGF on both hook sources. QPQ done. Good to go, nice work! B3251(talk) 03:10, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    National Gingerbread House Competition

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    2008 competition entries
    2008 competition entries
    • Reviewed:
    Created by Hkeely (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Hkeely (talk) 15:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Thanks Hkeely. The length is now fine, article was created on time (22 October), sources used look to be reliable for the content and I found no issues with overly close paraphrasing, image is good (I trimmed the caption quite a bit). A couple of questions on sourcing:
    • I couldn't see in the Fox Carolina source where it said this was the only time the event had been cancelled?
    • Can you add a citation in the article for the last sentence of the first paragraph about the TV channels it has been broadcast on?
    Apart from that I think this is good to go - Dumelow (talk) 07:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks Dumelow. Thank you for checking this and trimming the caption. I've added a citation for the TV channel coverage. The cancelation information is because the contest started in 1992 and this would have been the 32nd annual event. Since there were 31 events prior, that adds up mathematically. I did include new information about the public display portion being canceled during the Covid pandemic in 2020, though judging did continue that year. - Hkeely (talk) 17:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Hkeely, if the first event was held in 1992 and it was held every year then 2024 would have been the 33rd event. There are 32 years between the first and last event but 33 events (see fencepost error) - Dumelow (talk) 08:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Robot Alley

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    Robot Alley and its creator
    Robot Alley and its creator
    • Reviewed:
    • Comment: Awaiting VRT clarification on the photo, shouldn't post until that's complete.
    Moved to mainspace by Dmartin969 (talk) and Another Believer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    –DMartin 15:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Henry Parnell, 5th Baron Congleton

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    War grave of Henry Parnell
    War grave of Henry Parnell
    Created by Moondragon21 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

    Moondragon21 (talk) 12:15, 22 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]


    Articles created/expanded on October 23

    Carl Smith (canoeing)

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    Carmen, canoe designed by Smith in 1882
    Carmen, canoe designed by Smith in 1882
    Created by Yakikaki (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 142 past nominations.

    Yakikaki (talk) 20:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Tiny Glade

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    • ... that Tiny Glade was the fourth most played demo on 2024's Steam Next Fest?
    Moved to mainspace by JuniperChill (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

    JuniperChill (talk) 20:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Foreign policy of the Masoud Pezeshkian administration

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    Created by Sportsnut24 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

    Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    Castle Knob

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    Castle Knob
    Castle Knob
    • ... that the mediaeval Castle Knob in Derbyshire, England, was the site of a Cold War nuclear monitoring station?
    • Source: Date of foundation is unknown but likely 12th century and certainly before 14th century: "there is no documentary record for this site before the fourteenth century, and the date of construction is unknown. Nevertheless, from the present remains it appears to have been a motte-and-bailey construction and would be consistent with those constructed during King Stephen's reign" from: Boston, Hannah (2024). Lordship and Locality in the Long Twelfth Century. Boydell & Brewer. p. 82. ISBN 978-1-78327-783-4. and " Excluded from the scheduling are all perimeter fencing, the sheds and stable within the area of the north bailey, and the underground MOD installation in the central bailey although the ground beneath all these features except the MOD installation is included." from: "Castle Gresley motte and bailey castle, Castle Gresley - 1011209". Historic England. Retrieved 18 October 2024.; the plaque on the site makes it clear this is a Royal Observer Corps monitoring post
    Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 893 past nominations.

    Dumelow (talk) 13:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Epicgenius (talk) 15:34, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    Yan Ruisheng

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    Advertisement for Yan Ruisheng
    Advertisement for Yan Ruisheng
    • ... that Yan Ruisheng (advertisement pictured) was China's first full-length feature film?
    • Source: Xiao, Zhiwei (1998). "Chinese Cinema". In Zhang, Yingjin; Xiao, Zhiwei (eds.). Encyclopedia of Chinese Film. New York, London: Routledge. pp. 3–30. ISBN 978-0-415-15168-9., among many others
    Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 697 past nominations.

     — Chris Woodrich (talk) 11:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

    General: Article is new enough and long enough
    Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
    Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
    • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
    • Interesting: Yes
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Article looks good. Nice work. A minor point: @Crisco 1492: Is it appropriate to say in the hook that it was China's first full-length feature film when the article seems to be a little less certain (Yan Ruisheng is commonly identified as the first Chinese-made full-length feature film / has been considered China's first full-length feature film)? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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    Note: Articles intended to be held for special occasion dates should be nominated within seven days of creation, start of expansion, or promotion to Good Article status. The nomination should be made at least one week prior to the occasion date, to allow time for reviews and promotions through the prep and queue sets, but not more than six weeks in advance. The proposed occasion must be deemed sufficiently special by reviewers. The timeline limitations, including the six week maximum, may be waived by consensus, if a request is made at WT:DYK, but requests are not always successful. Discussion clarifying the hold criteria can be found here: Hold criteria; discussion setting the six week limit can be found here: Six week limit.
    April Fools' Day hooks are exempted from the timeline limit; see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know.
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