Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tiffany Weimer

Tiffany Weimer

Fails WP:ATHLETE. The fact that the article has no sources and reads like an resume makes it difficult to verify the claims in the article, but, even if true, they don't seem adequate to establish WP:Notability. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:18, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notable member of established soccer league. Maybe not your cup-o-tea, but none the less notable. Proxy User (talk) 20:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ATHLETE suggests that, for that to be adequate notability, the team must be "in a fully professional league". If you can provide evidence of that, I'll withdraw the nomination. When I checked, all the post-college teams in the infobox were redlinked. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 21:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It is encyclopedic. 29 dot 21 dot 87 dot 7 (talk) 21:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: User is probably stalking me because I've been reverted his BLP violations across multiple articles. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 21:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Looks well written to me. Professional football leagues for women players are not very common, so far as I know. Peridon (talk) 21:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:34, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It is true that WP:ATHLETE states that players must have played in a fully professional league. However, in women's football, I'm not sure there are any fully professional leagues, so we must take into consideration the point about playing at the highest level of amateur sport. Seems like this player meets that criterion, hence the keep !vote. – PeeJay 22:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I seem to remember hearing that the Women's Bundesliga in Germany is fully pro. пﮟოьεԻ 57 23:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - As far as I can tell, the US W-League and the Greek football women A Division are also fully pro. The rest seem to be semi-pro. Seeing as she has played in neither, and considering that none of the sources supplied establish her notability (for instance, being named a top regional freshman player doesn't really cut it as far as university sports go), I think I'll stick with WP:ATHLETE guidelines and say delete. Bettia (rawr!) 10:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment Err... If I went to W-League article right here on Wikipedia. It says, in the very first sentence, "The USL W-League is currently the second highest level of professional women's soccer in the United States pyramid." Key word- SECOND HIGHEST. How can it be fully professional if it's the second highest? Per [website], she has played on the Washington Freedom team, which IS included in thw W-League. SeeAreDubya (talk) 12:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)SeeAreDubya (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 12:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]
      - Why would being the second highest league in a league system automatically preclude a competition from being fully pro? The Football League Championship is the second-highest men's league in England but is fully professional, as are many other second-highest leagues......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:20, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Provisional delete , as it does not appear that she has actually appeared at the highest level possible (and therefore fails WP:ATHLETE) - she has played in the Women's Premier Soccer League, which according to this article is actually the third tier of Women's football in the USA. However, it is unclear what division Santos are in in Brazil (and whether she has actually ever played for them) - if someone can provide proof that they are in the top division and that she is indeed playing for them (I couldn't find any evidence of this with a quick google search), I may change my !vote. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 23:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per PeeJay's comment about the professional/amateur divide in women's football, I would err on the side of caution and say she has played at the highest possible level, thus meeting notability requirements. Giant Snowman 23:51, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - How could you write an article on a professional soccer player without it sounding like a resume? The point of an encyclopedia is to inform the reader on the accomplishments of said professional player. It is impossible to be a fully professional women's soccer player in the United States, seeing as the women's league isn't going to start until 2009. Thus, this article gets my keep vote. SeeAreDubya (talk) 21:38, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. -- Raven1977 (talk) 00:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- Raven1977 (talk) 00:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone. I'm the editor and creator of page "Tiffany Weimer." I'd like to let everyone know that I've added references, and that there will be more to come. I'm sorry if this has caused you any trouble. I'm working my very hardest to find the right sources to verify the appropriateness of this page. Again sorry if this has caused you any trouble. Popndopalis8 Popndopalis8 (talk) 03:43, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]