Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evan Ryan

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The result was keep. Missvain (talk) 00:41, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Evan Ryan

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Fails WP:NPOL as a former Assistant Secretary of State for Educational and Cultural Affairs, and I don't believe she meets WP:BASIC either. She is Antony Blinken's wife and has gotten some coverage in the context of his soon-to-be nomination as secretary of state, but WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:BLP1E counsel against including a biography for that reason alone. Would be happy to be proved wrong. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 16:42, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 16:42, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 16:42, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 21:33, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – I don't see what makes the subject any different from any other Assistant Secretary of State for Educational and Cultural Affairs who has an article. What's more, I can find news articles in a Google search from 2012 to 2017 that could help expand the article in question to fill in her time as an assistant secretary of state. Jay Coop · Talk · Contributions 22:55, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
JayCoop, (1) Do you mean Keep? (2) What makes her different from the other people in that list is that there does not appear to be WP:SIGCOV of her, whereas there may be SIGCOV of those other people. See also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. If you are able to find SIGCOV of her, please post it. All I can see are articles mentioning her in the context of discussing Antony Blinken, such as [1]. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:18, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I didn't do a huge amount of searching but what I did find (and what is already cited in the article) seems to point to there being stuff out there. As for whether everything in the context of Blinken, https://www.politico.com/newsletters/transition-playbook/2020/11/20/biden-rewards-loyalty-791808 is one I quickly found which, although it only has one sentence, mentions her without reference to Blinken. It would probably take a fair bit of digging to get super deep into WP:SIGCOV, but the mere fact that there are a lot of sources you'd have to consult is a good sign in terms of notability. Kingdon (talk) 00:12, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, OK, I guess I retract the last part in accordance with WP:LOTSOFSOURCES, so feel free to take my non-vote with a suitable amount of salt especially if someone has spent more time looking through the sources than I have. Kingdon (talk) 00:19, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Though most of the coverage I'm seeing is in relation to here husband, there is some significant sources for her, such as [2] [3]. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 14:15, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The first source is an event announcement and the second is an interview in a trade journal. We now have three keep !votes, none of which has provided any sources from which a biography could be usefully constructed. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 17:03, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Both of these sources could be useful to write a biography. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 02:18, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No, they are both primary sources, which are not evidence of notability. As apparently is the wedding announcement, since it is unsigned and hence probably provided by Ryan and Blinken themselves. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 02:35, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for many, many reasons. You can ask me them if you’d like. Just Piping In (talk) 17:19, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The sourcing is routine, and I'm not sure any of these people who have served in this position are automatically notable, especially looking at their bio - might be time for a cull. SportingFlyer T·C 23:12, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as this person is a prominent example of Interfaith marriage in Christianity/Interfaith marriage in Judaism (supposedly, her husband, Blinken is Jewish, see Antony Blinken#Personal life: "In 2002, Blinken married Evan Ryan in a bi-denominational ceremony officiated by a rabbi and priest at Holy Trinity Catholic Church in Washington, D.C.^[1]^[2]...Blinken is Jewish.^[3]"). This is an important subject because so many of Biden's inner circle are either Jewish or married to Jews, such as Kamala Harris, and all three of Biden children married Jews. This is important material for an article such as Interfaith marriage between gentiles and Jews in the Joe Biden presidency. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 23:57, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'll raise you a WP:NOTINHERITED. SportingFlyer T·C 00:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SportingFlyer:, I understand your point, but I was adding an additional perspective to the above Keeps. As for my point it's a {{current}}. IZAK (talk) 00:09, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
IZAK, please read WP:BASIC. Being one-half of prominent example of interfaith marriage does in no way guarantee that Evan herself is notable. We cannot base a biography on a marriage announcement. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 00:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

AleatoryPonderings I see what you are saying, but interfaith marriage is now a distinctive feature of the impending Biden era and she and Blinken, just as Jewish Doug Emhoff has an article that goes with his spouse Kamala Harris, and notably historically Biden's three kids married to Jewish spouses. If it's not notable, it certainly is from the point of view of Interfaith marriage in Christianity/Interfaith marriage in Judaism. But I agree with you, this is not the main reason for making anyone notable on WP. IZAK (talk) 02:54, 2 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

^ "WEDDINGS; Evan Ryan, Antony Blinken". The New York Times. March 3, 2002. Archived from the original on December 7, 2013. Retrieved September 28, 2013.
^ Cite error: The named reference twp was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ Kaplan, Allison (2020-11-22). "Long-time Biden aide Blinken most likely choice for secretary of state". Haaretz. Archived from the original on November 24, 2020. Retrieved 2020-11-24.

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[:2-1] "WEDDINGS; Evan Ryan, Antony Blinken". The New York Times. March 3, 2002. Archived from the original on December 7, 2013. Retrieved September 28, 2013.

[twp-2] Cite error: The named reference twp was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[3] Kaplan, Allison (2020-11-22). "Long-time Biden aide Blinken most likely choice for secretary of state". Haaretz. Archived from the original on November 24, 2020. Retrieved 2020-11-24.

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